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    Post Deanna's Plan

    I don't know if any of you have seen this, or tried it before, but I thought I'd pass it on anyways. I haven't tried it myself. (we became pregnant just at the time that I found this online. )
    All the best!

    Deanna's Plan
    Whether you are trying again after a miscarriage, or frustrated that you can't seem to get pregnant again after a successful pregnancy, this plan is for women who have gotten pregnant in the past, and therefore do not have significant infertility problems that need to be tested and treated. It is also a good plan to try for a first pregnancy if you want to do something serious to increase your chances before finally going in for a doctor visit about fertility.
    Even if you have had an easy time getting pregnant in the past, pregnancy tends to change your hormonal makeup, so sometimes timing is not the same as it was before. This plan will ensure that sperm gets to your egg. Whether or not a viable pregnancy results (the odds are about 1 in 4 even if you time it right), is up to nature. Be prepared for a month of serious loving!

    The Plan

    Short Version:
    * "Try" every other night starting Day 8
    * Buy 10 ovulation predictor kit sticks
    * Begin ovulation testing on Day 10
    * When test is positive, "try" that night, plus two additional nights in a row
    * Skip one night, then do one last "try"
    * Take a home pregnancy test 15 days after your ovulation test was positive, if your period has not begun
    * If your ovulation test never goes positive, continue "trying" every other night until Day 35, then do a pregnancy test if your period has not begun.

    Statistics coming in from the bulletin board show that about 40% of post-miscarriage women will get pregnant on the first try if they are faithful to the plan, about double the number of the normal population who are not on the plan. This assumes, of course, that you waited for a normal cycle to begin after your loss, and did not begin trying before having a period after a miscarriage. Many women do not ovulate in that first cycle.

    Detailed Version:
    On day 8 of your cycle, counting from the first day you bled, begin "trying" every other night.

    Begin taking Ovulation Predictor Kits (or continue with your Ovulation computer) on Day 10. Buy two five-packs so as not to scrimp on taking them and stop too early. To make sure your OPK is working well, take your test in the afternoon or after work and do not drink any liquids or go to the bathroom for at least four hours prior to testing. (Morning is not a good time for OPKs, which look for the LH surge, which usually happens during the day.) Read your OPK instructions carefully, as usually a faint line does not indicate a
    positive, you need a line that is darker than the test line. LH is produced throughout your cycle and will only predict ovulation when it has a big surge.

    When your OPK turns positive, begin trying every night for three consecutive nights, skip the fourth night, and then once more. Then stop! The waiting begins.

    Take a home pregnancy test 15 or 16 days after your OPK was positive if your period has not begun. Do not buy internet pregnancy tests or tests that claim to work before your period is expected. They are not well manufactured and are not reliable. They will only cause you more anxiety than you already feel in wanting to know. Please resist the urge to do a blood test at your doctor's office just to find out sooner unless you have a medical reason to know early. Fertilized eggs that do not grow are actually a terrible but normal occurrence as much as 75% of the time, and seeing a very low put positive blood test in the first 14 days can place you on a terrible emotional roller coaster. By the time a home pregnancy test is positive, your baby has safely implanted and your odds of miscarriage are down to a normal 10%.

    Should your OPK never become positive, keep the every other day trying going until day 35. I recommend at that point taking a home pregnancy test, but even if it is negative, you might want to take a quantitative hCG blood test at your doctor's office. Remember that not every women will ovulate every month. I personally did not ovulate for two months following my first miscarriage.

    As you are trying, make sure to "release" the sperm in your partner at least once during the gap between ovulation and new cycle Day 8 so that no more than 10 days elapse without new sperm production. Sperm is also a cause of genetic damage, not just eggs, so keep it fresh! If you are not successful the first month, it is not because your sperm did not get to your egg. 75% of eggs are lost within the first 14 days due to normal genetic damage or failure to fertilize. Just keep trying!

    Here are a few facts that may surprise you:

    Many books tell you that sperm can last for 5 days and the egg for 24 hours. While this is technically true on the very long end (and something to follow if you trying to NOT get pregnant), most sperm will only last about two hours if you do not have fertile-quality cervical mucus for it to swim in. The sperm will struggle to swim up to your uterus, use all its reserves, and not make it. The egg typically lives only about 12 hours, so it cannot wait for long. You can now see how important that cervical mucus is! You will never get pregnant with sperm living two hours and an egg only twelve. This information is really just to make you feel better if you've been trying a long time and all your infertility testing came back normal.

    If the Deanna-plan does not work and you are faithful to it for three months, take a dose of plain Robitussin cough syrup (or any cough medicine that says
    "expectorant" and NOT "antihistamine") each day (preferably a few hours prior to "trying") starting around Day 10 until the day after your ovulation predictor goes off. It should help make all the mucus in your body runnier, including that produced by your cervix. (Oh the gruesome details required in baby-making!) The sperm in the runnier mucus will live about two days, and will be up there and ready for the 12-hour life of the egg. A NOTE ABOUT CLOMID: Clomid causes cervical mucus to dry up in 25% of the women who take it. If you notice your mucus is not plentiful as it was before taking this drug, take the Robitussin and call your doctor to make sure your really need the Clomid. If you are ovulating on your own and do not have a documented luteal phase defect, you most likely do not need it.

    "Trying" too often can actually do more harm than good. Do not try every night! You will get exhausted and sore, and your mucus--both for fertility and for lubrication--will dry up, and you will stop trying too early in the month or miss an important day. Every other day is absolutely sufficient, with three nights in a row during peak time sealing the deal.

    Don't worry about stress! Regular old worries about getting pregnant, and if you will ever have children, are perfectly normal and do NOT affect your fertility. Ignore those people who tell you just to relax and stop thinking about it. This is not their problem! The only thing that could actually affect you is serious stress, like moving to a new house, losing your job, family deaths, and other things that make you physically ill or depressed. This can delay your ovulation, or make you not ovulate in a cycle, since you will produce an excess amount of the stress byproduct called prolactin. It will not affect you for long, and the next month you should come back and be normal again.



    An early period is not an indication of an early miscarriage, even if you know you timed your trying perfectly. Usually it means that the egg was not fertilizable, and so progesterone was not adequately produced. This shortens your cycle. Sometimes eggs simply don't develop properly during the ovulation process. It is usually a one-month problem. If you are regularly seeing that fewer than 10 days are passing between ovulation and your period, however, it's time to be tested for a luteal phase defect.

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    Hi Mama of 2, that was really interesting! I haven't seen any plan like that before. I will definately be following that plan next month, well if there is a next month for TTC.
    Thankyou for posting that info!

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    thanks for post that, i will print it out and follow it to the letter this month.

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    OMG - that sounds like an awful lot of DTD...! Don't know if I could possibly keep up, LOL. However, have just been reading Zita West's book and the key message: Have More Sex!!! There might be something in it...
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    I just adjusted the post a bit to make it easier to read

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    I'm really curious to hear from you ladies who try this plan to see how helpful it is!
    All the best!

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    When you DTD, the sperm that make it into the cervix will do one of a number of things. Some go to "sleep" in cervical crypts for a period. Others make their way to the ampulla of the fallopian tube, where some will again sleep and others will try to find the egg. Most other places apart from these are hostile and they won't survive very long (ie their starting location and the uterus). When they are active, they wear themselves out faster. Whereas the sleeping ones wake up at periods and make their final journey to try and find an egg and have a longer overall lifespan. The idea I suppose is that there's always waves of active swimmers present for a longer period after DTD. I think the really keen ones can get to the right spot in less than 30 minutes.

    Up to 2 days afterwards is the higher number of swimmers and the best chance. I think in the 3-5 day range there aren't as many sleeping ones left so your chances are getting lower each day.

    B456 if you ovulate 3 days after the +OPK then yes you would miss the actual day of ovulation, but as you DTD the previous day it should still be covered by that. I suppose you could customise it a bit to suit the way you know you work.

    My personal thoughts are if you want to try really hard , the best days are the day before and then the day of O. And then because the actual day might be a day or two either side of where you expected it to be, its good to DTD every 2 days before and after for a bit as well. This ensures that if you ovulate when expected you have hopefully got heaps of swimmers, and if you ovulated a day or 2 out, there will still be heaps. And if you really want you could also add DTD on O-2 and O+1, but this would leave you a bit tired (5 days in a row...)

    The other advice in the post was good though, especially about the "release" at least once every 10 days thing, as not having this regularly can actually (temporarily) reduce fertility a bit.

    Quote Originally Posted by B456
    Ok, here's my gripe wiht it. Best chances are to DTD 3 days before 0, day of 0 and day after 0 (just as a back up).
    If you follow this and DTD for 3 days after a + OPK - then miss a day, then DTD again, aren't you going to possibly miss the actual day of O??????????????? (remembering you can O up to 36 hrs after you 1st see a +..I know I always did, I never O'ed until about 2-3days after I first saw a +OPK).

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    That's a biggish gap between O-3 and O though - does FF really say to do that? My reading of it, is that O, O-1, and O-2 are the better days overall, I quote: "For conception purposes, it is thus ideal to have intercourse during a three day fertile window which includes your ovulation day and the two previous days." That is O-2 not O-3? I'm not saying O-3 won't work, just that O-2 or O-1 may be better if you're only going to do 1 of them.

    And also, from Fertility Friend, I quote "The most likely day for intercourse to result in conception according to the 1969 study was two days before ovulation. According to the 1995 study, the most likely day for intercourse to result in pregnancy was on the day of ovulation itself. Further studies have been done, however, to account for measurement error in both studies and to exclude early pregnancy losses from the Wilcox et al data set. With the corrected data, the most probable days for intercourse to result in pregnancy have been found to be one or two days before ovulation rather than the day of ovulation itself (Stanford et al 2002)."

    Quote Originally Posted by B456
    Thats the premise most gals work off round here, 0-3, 0 and 0 +1. Most of use (or used) FF.

    You also have to factor in the lifespan of the egg.

    Your best chance is timing very close to O (just in case none of your partners little swimmers are lying in wait from days before) so I just wouldn't skip the day the above method tells you to. Otherwise, it's a good plan.

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