Thanks so much for that Lulu and Suse, I really appreciate that info. that's what I always thought, that they never claimed to be natural, just free from animal testing you're right, if they were 100% natural, then they'd be using real musk etc. I have used their products for years - not a lot because I don't *do* beauty stuff LOL, but I have always admired their humanitarian work.

Traveller, I guess this is the conundrum. They may be, in a round about way, owned by Nestle now, but so long as TBS continues in it's present form and keeps their programs running in the same manner as they were before the takeover, I think the benefits of that far outweigh the fact that they are owned by Nestle. And the ironic thing about that is the same women that TBS helps are probably being targeted by Nestle to use formula but for me personally, I would rather see sustainable communities being built and supported kwim? So I wouldn't stop buying TBS products, because if everyone stopped buying their products, it isn't Nestle you are hurting, it is those communities and sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture.