The cost of Healthy Eating?

[Astrid]

this is pretty much true - ours will break even-ish this year compared to what we'd pay buying the items from the local woolies - the win is the flavour. and the instant gratification i guess - tonight for instance, we were having fried rice and took peas and snow peas out of the garden and into the pan. no having to think it through at the shops or dash down there - it was a case of having it when we needed it. and having healthier snacks - i'd much prefer DD to have strawberries or snow peas fresh from the garden instead of yogurt or sultanas - but we still have those in the house as healthier alternatives to sweet biscuits and chips and stuff....

Flavour is well worth it along with the nutrient content, I just don't think "grow your own" should be pushed as a cost saving measure (have seen it in many articles, advice columns etc). Possibly long term, once the main set-up has happened, especially if you (generic you) seed save and have worked out what grows well for you, along with what you actually will eat, it would then save money.
Growing your own herbs is worth it though and a great place to start for many people.

I was shocked when saw on a Bunnings receipt that vegetable seedlings incur GST Logically if the output is GST free, then surely the plant would be as well.

[briggsy's girl]

I was shocked when saw on a Bunnings receipt that vegetable seedlings incur GST Logically if the output is GST free, then surely the plant would be as well.

stupid, isn't it?

and i agree - it's definitely not a cost saving option, especially in the early stages. seed saving makes it more cost effective over a period of time, but not always easy to do...

[lady_neon]

Lol. If white privilege is the problem in this discussion, then I think we need to shut this whole forum down. Which pregnancy care provider to chose, birth advocacy, IVF, which school to send our kids to...may as well throw the towel in on all of those white privileges as well, because after all, somebody has it worse than us somewhere and they don't have the choices we do.

I honestly do not think the *majority* of the people who are contributing so grossly to the ever rising obesity epidemic here and in other countries are doing so because they live 100km from a library, have never seen a supermarket, haven't eaten a home cooked meal, don't know what a vegetable is and are so disadvantaged in every single way that to dare judge them or assume they could do better or try harder is a moral crime. I feel like the amount of 'what ifs' being thrown around now is almost getting laughable. I'm sure we're all smart enough to understand that yeah, there are going to be barriers for some people, more for some than others. But let'bereal, most people feed their kids crap on a daily basis as the main part of their diets because they're ignorant by choice, or lazy. If you rounded up all the people in any given supermarket with trolleys FULL of junk food, as in, that was a weekly shop, not just part of one, and assessed whether they had any way of improving themselves and their children's diets, I'm very confident the majority of them would have a myriad of options open to them that they choose not to access. Hell, if there are people like Mark Mathabane, who can pull themselves through a horrific childhood of poverty and rise up through apartheid and become still become successful people in life, I'm sure people living in Australia can learn how to adequately feed and nourish themselves and their children

Amen sista!!!

Yes the white privilege comment is utterly ridiculous. So *only* indigenous people get trapped in cycles of alcohol abuse, poverty etc etc yadda yadda. I suppose my childhood was a lie, because a lot of indigenous people were waaay better off than my family. So even though I grew up in a house where quite often my parents didn't eat, our electricity was shut off and I had to beg for a a piece of clothing that wasn't a hand me down, I wouldn't have a darn clue about these issues or experiences because I'm white. Yep. I'm white therefore completely ignorant. Racist much?

[Phteven]

I think the comment about white privilege was allegorical. Not saying that white privilege is directly relevant to the issue of obesity and malnutrition in the Australian context

BTW the concept of white privilege doesn't say that only indigenous people experience poverty it is more a theoretical framework which argues that whiteness is posited as the norm.

[lady_neon]

What is 'whiteness'?

And you know what, I barely ever see overweight or obese indigenous people. Perhaps this is because they are quite active and get about, the children always play on the street etc.

Exercise plays a very big part.

[PumpkinZulu]

The term white privilege is just a different way of saying middle to upper class privilege, or 1st world privilege. At least that's what I thought? It isn't meant as a racial term, more to do with classes and which country you live in.

[Phteven]

No. It's a sociological term which is used in race theory. It is specifically related to race not class.
Wiki is your friend

[lady_neon]

Yes that's how I take it too PZ, but then it assumes white people will only ever experience privilege and indigenous people are destined to poverty.

Way off topic anyhow!

[Phteven]

Yes that's how I take it too PZ, but then it assumes white people will only ever experience privilege and indigenous people are destined to poverty.

It assumes no such thing. Societal advantage does not always translate to individual privilege.

[PumpkinZulu]

Mkay. So why is it being used in this thread? I assumed (wrongly) that we were talking about class when talking about white privilege, whenever it was brought up. There are lots of wealthy people of all races in Australia who can exorbitantly choose to not buy junk food, so why white privilege being mentioned then? Off to re-read to make sure I'm not confusing myself now.

[PumpkinZulu]

So white privilege was brought up, I didn't dream it. I started my comment on the comment about the problem with white privilege is that you're privileged, so you don't know etc etc. So if we're not just talking about well off people using white privilege as a sweeping statement for all well off people (as I wrongly thought), do I refer to Hispanic privilege, or Asian privilege? Like if I talk about a friend of mine whose family is fairly rich, do I say Asian privilege? That's a serious question lol

[Phteven]

Lol, my understanding is that it was used allegorically. That in the instances where obesity is a disease of malnutrition related to demographic status, that since we come from a place of privilege we can't understand the reality of life in that demographic. Ie you can't use a library if you don't know how they work.

No. A well off Asian in Australia does not have Asian privilege because Australia is not a society that promotes the Asian experience as the norm and other experiences outside that as the 'other'.

[nothing2lose]

Lol, my understanding is that it was used allegorically. That in the instances where obesity is a disease of malnutrition related to demographic status that since we come from a place of privilege we can't understand the reality of life in that demographic. Ie you can't use a library if you don't know how they work.

Exactly that. Thank you Onyx.

Eta- if you are interested, google food poverty. That's pretty much what I'm on about.

I'm not talking about every obese person. I'm obese and it's because I eat too much and exercise too little. I know better but I eat too much good food. No one to blame but me. But I won't sit back and cop statements that everyone should know better and everyone should do better, that there is no excuse. It's simply not true.

[lady_neon]

Lol, my understanding is that it was used allegorically. That in the instances where obesity is a disease of malnutrition related to demographic status that since we come from a place of privilege we can't understand the reality of life in that demographic. Ie you can't use a library if you don't know how they work.

Ok I get it now, thanks Onyx and sorry N2L.

Please forgive me, I'm groggy from mastitis and an 18 hour fever comprehension ain't too crash hot right now

[PumpkinZulu]

Awesome, I get it now. Makes sense and I'm glad I've never told my mate she has Asian privilege bahaha

[AnyDream]

What is 'whiteness'?

And you know what, I barely ever see overweight or obese indigenous people. Perhaps this is because they are quite active and get about, the children always play on the street etc.

Exercise plays a very big part.

Well that's strange because indigenous people in this country are 17% more likely to be overweight/obese than non-indigenous.

[lady_neon]

Wow the only overweight indigenous person I've seen in my area is my neighbour.

[AnyDream]

There are plenty of indigenous people that don't match our preconceptions about what Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders look like. You wouldn't necessarily know they were indigenous unless you asked them