Thankyou so much odette and courtney im going to start a rewards chart today ill buy some stickers to stick on it... i think my problem i go to the shop every thur cause its the only day i can go and when we go the twins get a happy meal and i also but them something from the shops which has prbably made them thinkthey can act how ever they like at the shop and mummy will still buy thema to toy silly me. Odette thanx for the info on the the playgroup, park etc i used to take them to kindergym then had to stop because of work but i think i may start up again. because theyre just arent doin enough stuff during they day.