Unplanned home births

[glenny_c]

See, I don't see it that way at all. And that is perhaps coloured by my experience. Well, not perhaps- definitely coloured.
I don't see talking about a coroner as a threat, I see it as discussing a risk. You say a healthy mum and baby. I say, there is no one qualified there to make the assessment that they are healthy. Sometimes it's impossible to assess that properly.
My son was born healthy, or so I thought. Apgars of 8 and 9. Fed straight away. 6 days later he was in heart failure and bring rushed into his first open heart surgery. In my case, even the drs at his birth were happy that he was healthy. I'm not sharing that to scare anyone but to try and explain where I'm coming from.
I can understand why doctors would share the risk of mother or baby fatality when they have experienced it. They are human as well and are desperate not to repeat the situation. As I said, it may be a small risk, but it's there. Especially in an unplanned free birth situation where no midwife is present.
I know health professionals have ways to legally cover themselves if their advice is not followed but I would suggest that they ate mostly not thinking about the legal ramifications, rather the months of sleepless nights and guilt.

[HotI]

Was just thinking about this is the shower.

What do you think is the ulterior motive here?

I think it is used as a way to silence women/people/patients. However, saying that your baby may die is even more powerful than you may die, and so it is directed more as a silencing tool to women. If you don't act for your child then you are not being a good mother, irresponsible, selfish...... Discussing the likely and unlikely possibilities can be done without threats of the coroner.

i have been at births when HPs have been 'overzealous', and also when they have been nonreactive/late acting. Both times ended in not good outcomes that could have been avoided, and both were influenced strongly by staff not listening to, or believing the birthing woman.