I am the same Olive!! I give DD Jalna yoghurt but that's it. I know they say milk is ok on cereal and in things etc but I don't do that. I express for her if I need milk.
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I am the same Olive!! I give DD Jalna yoghurt but that's it. I know they say milk is ok on cereal and in things etc but I don't do that. I express for her if I need milk.
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I gave DD yoghurt and cheese, but never any cows' milk until a fair bit after 12 mths. I still don't like giving her cows' milk to drink, even though she has it on her cereal. As a baby, I used EBM on her weetbix until she was over 12 mths (picture me in the morning, half naked in the kitchen, aiming at DD's breakfast bowl!). The yoghurt and cheese thing I was fine with because my DD absolutely loved them, but I can see where you'd make the link in your mind and they really aren't essential.
If you're doing BLS and you are having either in the course of a meal (or DD1 is) you could give her a try, rather than introduce it to her specifically. Otherwise, you're right, your BM is much better.
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My views have changed after all the health problems i went through with DD
She was fine up until 6 months, exclusively b/f etc, but still putting on constant weight. From 6 montyhs i introduced solids, but witheld dairy & wheat as i had read that it could reduce allergies with a family history etc.
From 6 months on DD had severe weight issues, putting on 400g in 4 months and began to look terrible.
The evidence shows that witholding any food groups doesn't not influence whether a child will be allergic, so other than whole nuts (due to choking hazard), no food group should be delayed, and if there is a family history to watch out for the signs, but not to not give. Infact, withholding may cause more allergies. This is the current advice of the Melbourne RCH immunology department.
My personal belief is that one should not withhold any major food group without the advice and monitoring of a paediatric dietician. Children need a certain intake of fats & oils, and cheese and non sweet yoghurt are a great source of this. Infact, the first fattening up thing we were told to give was tolds of cheese & butter. I was still b/feeding DD from 6 months on, but i don't think she consumed enough b milk to make up for the amount she would have needed if she was having these food groups. It's easy to think oh i'm bfeeding so i don't need to give a,b,c or d, but you do have to give above and beyond what they would be getting if you were giving it to make up.
I certainly regret my decisions, and wish that i had a dieitican to monitor DD< as perhaps she wouldn't have ended up so unwell.
She was small to begin with, so that didn't help her, but in larger sized kids it might be easy to miss that they really do require these things.
Once again, i urge all parents not to read things on the internet, or to go by their guts feelings all the time (and i'm not saying not to trust your gut feelings, because they are often right), but somebody external with the right training monitoring your child can only help the situation to make sure that your child is having adequate nutrition.
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I felt a bit funny about giving DD dairy at first too....because she's BF but also because I was worried about allergies etc! (I think we are scared too much with allergies!)
But since 7mths, DD has been given Jalna yoghurt and also has cheese and LOVES her cheese and yoghurt!
Since 9mths we've put full cream cows milk on her weetbix but not every day, only probably every 3-4 days..... otherwise she has Rafferty's cereal with water and fruit mixed in....
I admit I am too lazy to express milk for her cereal but only because I did sooo much damn expressing for her in those first 5mths with ALL the problems we encountered with BF'ing and getting milk supply established etc, I just don't have the energy to go near my pump anymore!!! And I think that's fair enough tooLOL
She's getting the goodness of BM and thats the main thing. A little bit of dairy won't hurt her but thats JMO. Each to their own I say.
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Don't they say no cows milk until after 12months? I remember when we had a parent at work who was giving her 7 month old only cows milk and she had constant tummy issues and trying to advise her that it wasn't the best idea - but then she said the doctor knew?????
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Ausgirl - cows milk not as a whole drink to replace formula or breastmilk in the first 12 months.
There is no need to delay the introduction of dairy. Its important in a growing body which IMO far out weighs the "i cant bring myself to give her dairy". At the end of the day, its not only how u feel, but what she needs.
I too have heard that with holding dairy or other foods can lead to more allergy issues than if they werent introduced earlier.
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im sorry holly but i dont agree that she needs cows milk at 9 months!
im concerned about our obsession with our kids having copious amounts of another animals breastmilk! so my concern far out weighs the 'its important in a growing body'.
FWIW i have started giving her some on her cereal but at this point in her life to me its not an essential part of her diet.
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Can you back that up with fact please? Many babies and toddlers who are BF to term DON'T need animal milk and dairy products and calcium requirements can be met from other sources. And if you are successfully maintaining a term BF relationship why would you even entertain the thought of adding something superfluous to the childs needs? I'm sure a vegan Mumma would give you a hearty 'PFFFT' and roll her eyes out of her head if you suggested to her that it's not about how she feels, but what her baby needs.
My kids go to an Ananda Marga school. No eggs, meat, garlic or mushrooms. Many members are vegan. No dairy there and they are all healthy little tackers...
It is our societal norm that we eat dairy food. It is not a nutritional fact that we need it.
People live their whole lives without it. Whole countries live without it.
I think it's healthy to question anything that "seems" normal or okay. It's kinda like saying we all need red meat. We don't! Or we all need 8 hours sleep a night - we all don't!
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Innana, I saw an interview on David and Kim some time ago now that had a woman on there talking about how dairy is actually bad for us and we don't need to have it. Children yes, but not as much as you think and calcium should be gained from other sources and not relying completely on dairy to meet calcium requirements. Now I love a big glass of icy cold milk, but what she was saying made sense. I wish I could remember who she was so I could link some info.
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Personally, at that age and given that you're breastfeeding, I really wouldn't worry about it. We don't need dairy, just some of the things in it, which can also come from other sources.
Nothing like a cuddle from DD after a hard day's work!
I never introduced cows milk until 12+ and then introduced A2 to her. But I did feed her yougurt and baby cheese. There's so much conflicting information these days I reckon just go with your Mummy instinct.
If she's not ready for it or you are not ready to do it, perhaps just wait. 9mths is still young.
Ausgirl, yes i thought no cows milk until 12mths+ too, unless the guidelines have changed again.
Good luck with your decision Olive.
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DS wont be drinking cows milk, he gets my milk which is more than enough, a yoghurt here and there, he doesnt tolerate cheese. keeps him (and me) awake alllllll night....
At around 9 months, A doc I saw in ED told me that he had too much calcium, I was feeding him too much milk, he assumed I was formula feeding, the look on his face when I said I BF was priceless!
I grew up on very limited amounts of goats milk and soy (my parents were "hippies! LOL)
cheese and yoghurt were big in our house though.
I understand that if FF, substituting with cows milk is the done thing,(recommended after 12 months, last I read) but if BFing I dont see the need, why give milk from another animal, meant for their young, when we have our own supply? JMO!
anyway, just wanted to say that I felt the same way, hehehe, I didnt even want to give DS solids, cos then he would be growing up and not just need me lol!!
I am another that doesn't subscribe to the belief that cow's milk is necessary for healthy development.
If we lived in many countries in the world our children wouldn't be fed this way at all!
It's all personal choice - and what we each choose to do for our children is led by the knowledge and beliefs we hold as individuals.
I just think it curious that so many in this country feel that if you don't eat cows milk then you are missing out. That is not necessarily true.
I also don't agree that it is safe to feed small babies across the board from all food sources. I do believe that the human gut is not mature enough under 12 months to accomodate the huge lactose and protein infusions of drinking/eating dairy.
Cows milk is perfect for cows babies not for human babies. I personally feel awful if I have a big wad of dairy in my body. It is not easy to digest. It's even harder for little peeople. But that is my personal belief and knowledge I have gleaned over the years.
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I'm sure a little bit of cows milk on their cereal of a morning every 2-3 days wouldn't be too much 'overload' on their little bodies though?? That's all DD gets and she loves it. Not as much as her boobie juice though of course
I don't see the big deal with it really but thats JMO. When they are older like most kids they are going to want to drink cows milk on their cereal, or milkshakes etc....
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