Some questions

[*Sparklez*]

Oh and also when in saying you can reveal in front of male family members it's only your father, brothers, uncles (not your mums sisters husband Itms) and of course your husband and your father in law.
I don't fin the niqab confronting, I think I'm used to it now, but I do become curious. I wear the hijab, and I do get the stares and back handed comments but these women here in my side of the state do cop alot slack.
Yes it is very interesting to learn all the fresh and very (well to us) the important day to day ways of living.
But on the flip aide I do get people's reservations and I guess fearfulness and anxiety, we are very different in dress and religion which to some that aren't accustomed to it, can become intimidated an overwhelmed by even just the sight of a group of fully covered woman..
But at the end of the day we all breathe, an live the same air..
You girls are awesome!!


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[Girl-23]

Yes, you can reveal yourself to a Mahram. In arabic Mahram means an unmarriageable kin with whom sexual intercourse would be considered incestuous, a punishable taboo. This includes:

Permanent or blood mahrams with whom one is mahram by a blood relationship:

father, mother, grandfather, grandmother, great-grandfather, great-grandmother and so on;
brother, sister;
son, grandson, great-grandson, daughter, grand-daughter, great-grand-daughter;
uncle, aunt, great-uncle, great-aunt, and so on;
nephew, niece, grandnephew, grandniece, great-grandnephew, great-grandniece and so on
In-law mahrams with whom one becomes mahram by marrying someone:

father-in-law, mother-in-law;
son-in-law, daughter-in-law,
stepfather (mother’s husband) if their marriage is consummated, stepmother (father’s wife) if their marriage is consummated;
stepson (husband’s son) if their marriage is consummated, stepdaughter (wife’s daughter) if their marriage is consummated
Rada or milk-suckling mahrams with whom one becomes mahram because of being nursed by the same woman.
[sahih Muslim]

[*Sparklez*]

Yes, you can reveal yourself to a Mahram. In arabic Mahram means an unmarriageable kin with whom sexual intercourse would be considered incestuous, a punishable taboo. This includes:

Permanent or blood mahrams with whom one is mahram by a blood relationship:

father, mother, grandfather, grandmother, great-grandfather, great-grandmother and so on;
brother, sister;
son, grandson, great-grandson, daughter, grand-daughter, great-grand-daughter;
uncle, aunt, great-uncle, great-aunt, and so on;
nephew, niece, grandnephew, grandniece, great-grandnephew, great-grandniece and so on
In-law mahrams with whom one becomes mahram by marrying someone:

father-in-law, mother-in-law;
son-in-law, daughter-in-law,
stepfather (mother’s husband) if their marriage is consummated, stepmother (father’s wife) if their marriage is consummated;
stepson (husband’s son) if their marriage is consummated, stepdaughter (wife’s daughter) if their marriage is consummated
Rada or milk-suckling mahrams with whom one becomes mahram because of being nursed by the same woman.
[sahih Muslim]

I think that's what I've just said without the details ?


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[RockinSAHD]

I find it difficult to comprehend what is so confronting about the niqab? I can read the expressions of someone with a niqab. I knew when she was happy, upset, angry because of her tone of voice and the expressions in her eyes and this was in a professional work environment.

RockinSAHD - I bet you don't see many women wearing the niqab in Rockingham so I understand your possible fear. It's the environment around you that has contributed to this fear. I don't think I can answer your question about recognising a friend from far distance.

Though I don't live in Rockingham, where I do live is very White-centric which I don't like. I don't fear Muslims, one of my close friends is a devout Muslim and i have worked with many.
I have my own complex issues with the niqab but wish the world was a lot more accommodating of people who choose to wear one. (especially French politicians and American traffic police IYKWIM)

I laughed at thought of a woman wearing a niqab with brightly coloured socks! that's great!

[nothing2lose]

I agree - Great thread!!

Sparklez, I demand ALL of your delicious recipes pronto!!!!

[snikkers1]

I agree to what a wonderful thread, I have found it very interesting to read, Thank you ladies so much for sharing.

[surprised]

So, when you're in a group with other Muslim women, what do you talk about? (And I would be intrigued to know the answer for any other cultural groups - I guess I just like seeing how similar/different I am to other people).

So it seems like the head covering is primarily related to sexuality and modesty? If you can reveal yourself to men with whom intercourse would be incestuous?

Here's a big one: to me, Islam seems like a religion of fear. My perception (probably very media-influenced) is that Muslims pray/fast/etc because they are fearful of Allah, that women wear the covering because they are fearful of men, and that non-Muslims fear Muslims because Muslims would like to see the whole world as Muslims, under Sharia law. And the whole world (Muslims included) fears Muslim extremists (who I know are very different to everyday Muslims).

Now, it's true that Christians would like to see everyone as Christians, but that is more out of love than the desire for domination (although history certainly shows that some Christians have a very strange way of expressing love!). In fact, I would say that the mark of someone who is truly living out their Christian faith, should be love.

But when you all talk about Islam, I don't get that sense of fear from you. Can you tell me where my perceptions are wrong?

I do hope that this comment doesn't offend anyone. That's certainly not my intention, and I sincerely apologise if it does. I am just wanting to be really honest, because I know if I go my whole life without discussing these things with Muslims then I will hold on to what I believe are probably incorrect perceptions. Although I think I'm wrong, I can't change my perceptions because I don't know what to change them to, if that makes sense. xo

[ummAadam]

great question.

cant answer at the moment, i think i need some free time to sit and really nut it out. im a bit sick atm so will come back later today to write.