DH and I are pretty confused over what to do and any help, advice or experiences you can share would be appreciated...
We've been ttc since April 2008 and recently got a referral to a gyno/fs. He's done some preliminary testing and the results have shown that I don't seem to have any issues (have had endo in the past, but things look good atm and aren't likely to interfere with my ability to conceive). However, DH semen analysis came back pretty poor. His count was 8mmol and TMU 21. The dr didn't tell us any other info, but said that means we're unlikely to conceive naturally.
He said if DH's results were higher he'd suggest trying 4 cycles of IUI first but the poor results mean that's unlikely to work, so he recommends going straight to IVF. He said we should start right away as the changes to Medicare next year mean that it's probably going to cost around $7000 extra per cycle (out of pocket expenses), while currently it's around $2500. That would make it around $10 000 per cycle!
He didn't seem to think there was much point in repeating the semen analysis as he didn't think there'd be much change. He said DH could try Menevit for 3 months and see if that helped, but said then we'd be cutting it fine to start IVF before it gets very expensive.
Is it likely we can improve DH's sperm naturally, and if so how? Or are we flogging a dead horse? Do we start IVF straight away? If we wait and see, we may only be able to afford one or two cycles but if we go now, we could get 2 or 3 cycles in this year while it's cheaper... See our dilemma?!
Hello,
I'm not sure of your financial situation, but I would try and not be rushed into any decisions based on your FS's presure to start due to the changes to medicare. I know that is easy to say, but making the move to IVF is a big and stressful decision.
Having said that, my DH and I undertook IVF (with ICSI) due to poor sperm, based on similar advice - that IUI would not work for us. My DH was not keen to take meds to improve sperm and so we pretty much went for IVF as our only option.
I know that menevit has helped some people, and there is no reason why your DH could not start it now anyway in the hope of having better swimmers to use through an IVF cycle. You could always start on that course and plan to do one cycle, and if his swimmers improve enough, but your first cycle is not successful, you could always go back to trying naturally or through IUI.
Good luck with your decision - I guess that if you are not comfortable with the advice you have got, you could always go with a second opinion.
IMO : I would take the advice of the FS and go for the IVF, I didnt listen to my FS initially, and went away for a year, I felt too pressured and couldn't quite get my head around needing ART.
I regret it now, I wont sugar coat it hun, IVF is a rollercoaster of feelings, however so is TTC naturally. Financially IVF is a burden, and imo you would be better starting sooner rather than later.
All the best with your decision, and I hope you make the right one for you in the end.
I'm sorry about your current situation. I understand your anxiety hun, I have been there myself! My DF had a vesectomy done 10 years ago, and when we decided to have kids he decided to have it reversed in April 2007. 3 months later he was told the devastating news that the sperm count was almost zero. We still tried naturally until May 2008 in the hope of catching an elusive swimmer
Well we didn't, and my gynie/FS recommended IVF asap as I wasn't getting any younger. I was pretty devastated at the news, but in my heart of hearts I knew it wasn't going to happen naturally for us. So in May 2008 we had our first stimulated cycle with ICSI (again, we we recommended ICSI as it has a better fertilization rate) and we were so thrilled to get our very first BFP. Had it not been for a very stupid fibroid, I would have had a healthy baby boy in Feb this year.
We are currently awating a FET in two weeks time, as we have one more frozen blastocyst embryo on ice. I pray this one likes it in my tummy. I have had the big fibroid removed in Jan this year, so we are all set.
Good luck in your TTC journey hun, but I have to agree with wouldloveabubba, you could be waitng TTC naturally and having absolutely no luck. The vitamins might improve your DH's sperm quality but I'm not sure if they improve the count. One thing I do have to say, when I found out my DF had a snip 10 years ago I blamed him so much for taking away our chances of falling pg naturally. But in the end I realised I was really selfish and stupid about it, and have since given him lots of support . He must have felt so inadequate the poor thing
I understand you apprehension about going straight into ivf, but you might be just putting off the inevitable if you don't.
We had been TTC for 16 mths when we sought help. My hubby had a sperm count of 7million and morphology and motility that were borderline ok so we were reffered to the FS. When we saw the FS we found out that I also have PCOS. We wanted to do things as natural as possible. Our FS reccommended that we start with IUI and that IVF may be an option. We were reluctant to do IUI and asked if we could just do fertility drugs like clomid. Our FS said we could try this but it probably take a very long time to get pregnant. As were young (me 23, DH 26), we pointed out that we had plenty of time, our FS agreed that we had plenty of time but said that we shouldn't waste the time we have. So we went ahead with IUI and GOT PREGNANT on the 1st go!! During the few months before our IUI I made my DH take a zinc supplement to help his sperm count. I think it helped as on the day of our IUI his count was 11 million.
I think your DH should take the vitamins ( they can't do any harm), and if it were me, I'd go with the IVF now rather than later...... Who knows you may only need the one full cycle of IVF.
Stay Positive
All the best with your journey. It's worth it in the end.
I have read through everyone's comments and they are all very good points - loads of support in BB.
My DH and I have been TTC#1 since 2006. We tried for quite a while naturally, then I had all the tests and so did DH, nothing turned up for me but DH has low/poor count/mobility.
I think his count started about 5mil but has at times gone up to 21mil (varies a lot). FS recommended Menevit which we think has helped his count etc a little as well as giving up the ciggies.
We had a couple of tries with IUI, both BFN but because his samples are always so varied this is why our FS has now reccommended we go onto IVF. But if we hadnt done the IUI we wouldnt have known how varied DH's count etc could be so I am happy we did that first and gave it a shot.
So to cut a long story short, If i were you i would give IUI a go ASAP because everyone is different and it may be all you guys will need - it may work 1st time. And it is certainly a lot cheaper than IVF. It may give you some more knowledge on ART as well and your situation, even if it doesnt work.
Hope that helps. Hope you can make sense of it - im not very good with words.
Whatever your decision, I wish you all the very best and hope you get your BFP very soon!
Thanks everyone for your thoughtful replies. It's such a help to hear your opinions when we are just so confused and in shock still.
Farmgirl - IVF IS a stressful decision and I really have no gut feeling about where to go. One minute I'm thinking, "No, I want to try a bit longer naturally" and the next I'm saying, "Who am I kidding? It needs to be IVF so the sooner we start, the better"
Jellybean - I think DH will take the vitamins no matter what. Congrats on achieving your pregnancy first go!
Loops - Wow, that's a huge variation in sperm count. Maybe DH should have his tests repeated to see if there's any difference??
Beata - I am trying not to blame DH, but part of me does feel it's unfair that I'm the one who'll have to go through all the invasive IVF stuff when there's nothing wrong with me in the first place! It feels unfair and almost wasteful even. And I know that DH feels like everything is his fault, and I feel awful that part of me is upset with him too!
WLB - Yeah, it's so hard just trying to get my head around everything, and it's all happened so quickly and taken us by surprise.
I can't really add a lot to what the others have said except to say that if you do decide to go down the IVF path the better quality the sperm is the better chance of success you have anyway. So no matter what I would be putting him on Memevit right now, and doing a google search on how to increase sperm quality. Things like, stopping smoking, drinking, cycling. Reducing stress levels (IVF won't help that one at all!), not having not showers or baths, ejaculating every 2-3 days (whether you feel like it or not - got to keep the boys moving through the system), stopping playing any contact sport, turning off the electric blanket, getting up and moving more if he sits down all day at work, boxers not briefs, and adding antioxidants to your diet all help - but this is in no way a comprehensive list.
Also, you may not know that it takes about 60-90 days for a sperm to grow - so what happened 2 -3 months ago plays a huge bearing on quality and quantity.
Thanks Muppity - those are all great suggestions. DH could definitely work on the stress part, and he sits down all day, but he doesn't drink (much!), smoke or cycle and has just switched to boxers - though he's complaining that he keeps sitting on/squashing things and reckons he's doing more damage now than before when they were 'contained' !
We've made an appointment with an IVF nurse for next week just to get as much info as we can, so are hoping that will help us make a decision. We still really don't know what to do, though...
The book The Natural Way to Better Babies - Preconceptual Healthcare for Prospective Parents has great advice in it for enhancing sperm health and motility.
Avoiding/limiting alchohol, coffee, sugary foods and chemicals are very important as sperm are so sensitive.
Have your hubby switch to natural/chemical-free personal care (ie Miessence), and an alkaline based diet that is as chemical-free as possible (organic and free of artificial additives). Sperm need an alkaline environment to thrive and so restoring the alkaline-acid balance (Ph levels) in the body to the optimum 7.4 will significantl;y enhance sperm health.
Try to improve DH's sperm or go straight to IVF?
DH and I are pretty confused over what to do and any help, advice or experiences you can share would be appreciated...
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