Dutchie and Anyos - I'm bummed! A natural BFP would be ace - but then, maybe we're all just meant to have twins through IVF
Anyos your FSH is, ummmm remarkable to say the least ! You've motivated me. I've gotten back onto the Wheatgrass - I too had one of my lowest readings of 6 (I think) on it.
I'll be cycling as soon as AF arrives - due next week 16th.
bugger! Am so sorry Dutchie, I was hoping you'd have good news this month. How are you going? Whats the plan for this cycle?
Tigga, hope you're well. I'm praying for natural twins for us all.....! this cycle will be the one for you. Lets hope wheatgrass drops that fsh right down xxx
AFM thought I'd be quite upset but have managed to stay surprisingly calm, hoping its lasts. Not doing much this cycle, have started to see Jane Lyttleton from the acupuncture IVF support clinic ~ Questions and answers on acupuncture ivf and am now on chinese herbs as well. The plan atm is to go on an intensive herbs/accupuncture program and try naturally. Haven't decided whether we'll do another round of ivf or not, will talk to my FS when she returns from fertility conf in US.
Hey Tigga and anyos
Yes very bummed about this cycle but what can you do. We'll give it another try this month naturally as I'm not cycling, I'm going to see a new FS on Monday so we'll see if she has any new ideas for me. Plan is to do one last cycle (antagonist with clomid only) when next AF arrives due around the 30th. Then we will go in Dec and try and have DPs pipes fixed, really looking forward to that. That's the plan for now.
anyos- I hope the herbs can achieve some results for you. Fingers crossed.
Tigga- could possibly be cycling round the same time although I'll be a little later starting. But I'll be following your progress and cheering you on.
Hi i'm not sure if you can help me i am at a loss and feel so really low right now i was supose to start my 1st cycle of PGD IVF today but my blood test result's were not good the nurse said my estrogen level was over 300 and it should be 100-150 on day 2 of your cycle my work up test's were all good heap's of follie's and normal hormone's in july and now this so i have to have a repeat test tomorrow and if it is a bit lower they will put me on the pill and start me next month or if it's higher i have to wait until next AF then go on the pill maybe start in dec i was hoping to get 2 cycle's in before the government cans the ivf rebate but now we have no chance i don't understand how this can happen i have 28 day cycle's i was pregnant 6mth's ago with my beautiful daughter we had to end the pregnancy due to a genetic condition i don't know how much more heartbreak i can take is a high estrogen level and a high FSH the same thing?
OK just got the day 3 result's FSH is 8 and progeterone is low and estrogen is high
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Ferrals4 I'm so sorry to hear about your daughter and the results. Your FSH doesn't seem very high, 8 is great. I'm not really sure about E & P levels but hopefully they'll be a little lower today. I know how hard it can all be and am hoping that you get better news soon.
Anyos-thank's i spoke to my FS and she said my day 2 fsh was 9.6 and day 3 was 8 she said my high estrogen was pushing down the fsh so she will go with the 9.6 but in saying that she said that is normal and she is happy with that result it is the high estrogen that is the problem it mean's i have a lead follicle way to early when i still have AF that mean's i ovulate early which is fine for ttc the natural way but in ivf it will stop the fertility drug's working to make the other follicle's catch up and in pgd ivf we need as many egg's as possible so i have to wait until next AF and do BT again i am taking vitex liquid this month to help regulate hormone's and i will try to eat food's that eliminate estrogen from the body.
Glad to hear that you have a plan forward ferrals4
AFM- As mentioned in other thread, FS appt on monday has been pushed back because she was in theatre Monday. We are trying naturally again this month so we'll see.
Hi Ladies. I'm still around - just not much to post about.
Ferrals4 - Yes, high est can mask a high FSH - but your FS is spot on - all it means is IVF drugs won't work (although I'm more of the belief, that they might work but not as well). I can see for you with PGD - it's tougher still. Non-the-less a cancelled cycle once you've worked up to it, is just the pits. I once went in for my Day 2 Baselines all revved up to start IVF and had a 1000 est level, it scared the living b-geezus out of me but a scan showed a follie at 18mm and good lining - I was sent for IUI next day - that so far has been the weirdest thing that has happened to me - it was like my ovulation had been suspended even though I had had a bleed - our bodies can do the strangest of things - which on the positive side means anything is possible. My FN said something to me about being able to claim a cycle in this year - as long as you've picked up the drugs? It might be a way to squeeze a cycle in the new year using the current medicare rebates?? Worth asking about.
AFM, AF is around the corner, so no natural miracle this month - I imagine all going well I will be jabbing by early next week. Anyos, I'm doing an antagonist (no BCP - it supresses me too much). 450 Puregon. Will be picking up my cycle plan hopefully today so will let you know. I've been on DHEA for 3 weeks now - but am not expecting any benefit of from it to assist this cycle.
Dutchie - good luck with the au la natureal! At least it's more fun that IVF!!
Apologies for being completely MIA. After my posting about EPP which was shortly after my 3rd m/c, I had an appointment with my FS and discussed EPP and other next steps for me. The conversation on the heels of my m/c was so depressing and had me in a complete funk for a while that I had to stop all online stuff related to fertility as anything related to TTC caused me to cry - didn't matter where I was - at work, at home, on the train seeing prams, etc...I just needed a break. It was just too much for me. FS wasn't positive AT ALL about EPP - and explained why - can't remember now, but it did make sense. FS also said she'd give me a 4% max chance of conceiving (with IVF) - I needed to hear the truth but it still threw me for a loop as that's very, very low odds.
I did a cycle last month (lower dose), after AF returned, and it ended up being my worst cycle ever - only had 1 follie growing so it was canceled. We tried naturally after cancellation and it's a BFN - still waiting for AF which is due in 3 days but my ultra sensitive HPTs are all very negative (and I know from the past that I usually register pretty quickly). Our plan is do 1 or 2 more ivf cycles - taking this next one off ...whatever can be fit in before the clinics close for Xmas. Cycle will be Antagonist with 450 plus clomid (I've done 2 or 3 of these in the past). After that (and I am only going through the cycles at DH's request - I am not at all hopeful myself), we are going to consider other options - from donors to deciding that it is the end of the road for us.
So, that's it for me...I've tried to catch-up on all of you...for what it's worth, I'm also taking DHEA but this isn't a new addition for me and although it seems to help some, it hasn't helped me produce more or better eggs...but I'm still taking it.
Baby dust to you all!!!!!
I hope you all are doing well...not sure how much I'll be posting.
Hi Buliej - it's good to hear from you but I'm sorry to hear of the tough time you've been having. I'll be thinking of you and for success for you - for all of us. Hang in there! Out of interest how long have you been on DHEA and what dose?
Ferrals - DHEA is a hormone that our bodies produce naturally but that depletes as we age. The theory is that by supplementing levels back to what they would've been when you're 27 or so, then it could improve egg numbers and quality. There's not heaps of research on it - but I'm giving it a shot (I'm on 75mg/day - taken as 3x25mg). Usually takes up to 4-5 months to get maximum benefit - for me that won't be until Jan, Feb 2010. Geez!!
AFM, I had my baselines today:
FSH 10.7
LH 11
Est 70
Pg 3.1
I always wish my FSH was lower - but am happy it's low enough for me to start. Jabbing with 450 Puregon, starts tomorrow.
I'm a little confused sorry! but my FS told me that my FSH of 9.6 was good and they were happy with that and everything i read say's anything under 10 is normal so why are some of you disapointed with some of your level's even though they are under 10 and i was wondering because my estrogen was 360 on day 3 and my FSH was 8 doe's that mean that if my estrogen goe's down my FSH will go up i was told my fertility is good i fell pregnant in november last year after 20 week's of trying and we have been safe since losing abbi and now i'm worried that the 7 month's that have past since we lost her my fertility has taken a nose dive and i could have been trying naturally insted of waiting for all the genetic testing and waiting for our probe to be developed i am worried we have left it to late i will be 36 in April i don't know if i should keep holding off until my level's are right or just try now we won't be able to afford IVF after december due to the rebate change's this is a nightmare.
i'm fairly rushed at the moment - but want to respond...
Tigga - I'm on the exact same dose as you. I've been on it for a while - but NEVER the full 90 days (3 months) prior to pick-up - I haven't had the patience to give it its full chance - maybe a mistake as your info is correct, it takes quite a while for it to kick in - at least 90 days. Also, my FS has me stop it on CD1 when I'm doing IVF - I think this is a mistake. DHEA leaves your body very quickly and I think it should be taken up to egg retrieval which is what I'm going to do this time regardless of FS' instructions. In fact, someone in Sydney was told to take it until pick-up for this reason...I read this in bellybelly a while ago.
Ferrals - FSH isn't the be all & end all. I have never had an FSH reading above 9.6 but my egg quality and my response is considered very poor. My FS basically told me that she disregards FSH levels after she has the history of a couple of cycles - as ones response to the meds etc. is much more informative than FSH. Also, many FS will tell you that you are only as good as your WORST FSH level. FSH levels fluctuate as you get older and you need to disregard the ones that are "better" than the higher levels. This aren't black & white rules - there are many opinions out there - but I've done a lot of research and I basically buy into this more negative view of FSH levels. Also, assuming you fit into the average female population, your fertility at 36 would not change that dramatically within a year - it's the change from say 36 to 38 to 40 that is significant.
I have to run - but it is very nice to be back in touch with you all...
buliej - Thanks for the reply. I know what you mean, I too wouldn't have the patience if I had to stop. However, I won't be stopping the DHEA while I'm cycling - I'll continue with it during. My FS hasn't said I should stop it and there's been other examples of Poor Responders who have been taking DHEA all while cycling all the way to BFP's.
ferrals - Sorry, if the info in my post got you worried - but seriously, there's nothing for you to worry about. Everything buliej said is spot on. You can't read too much into FSH levels - how you'll respond to the IVF drugs etc will remain a unknown until you actually do a cycle. Also, levels bounce around alot - last cycle by est was high too, this time it's lower. You will be totally fine. Yeah, the rebate cutting out after 2009 really is unfair - it's unfair that it places extra pressure on us. Ah, well - hopefully we all get our BFP's before then and it won't be something we need to think about.
buliej - I too suspect dud eggs for me - I'm basing this on my highest FSH reading (44!), and outcomes of my BFP's to date, ie: blighted ovum, chem preg and m/c. However, testing after last m/c showed up no chromasonal abnormalities - which I in some way found frustrating b/c had something showed up I mentally would've be able to switch to donor path and given up on my own eggs. I hope you don't mind my question asking but why do you think it's your eggs? Have you ever had chromasonal testing after m/c?
I've had all 3 m/c tested for abnormalities - 2 of them had chromosomal abnormalities (different ones). With my 2nd where I m/c most of the tissue prior to the D&C (to get the little bit that didn't seem to want to leave), I collected what I could so that they could test. There wasn't fetal tissue to test from the 3rd - I don't know if this makes it a blighted ovum. My husband and I have also been karotyped so we know these abnormalities are not inherited but spontaneous and most likely age-related.
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I'm bummed! A natural BFP would be ace - but then, maybe we're all just meant to have twins through IVF
! You've motivated me. I've gotten back onto the Wheatgrass - I too had one of my lowest readings of 6 (I think) on it.
this cycle will be the one for you. Lets hope wheatgrass drops that fsh right down xxx
- I imagine all going well I will be jabbing by early next week. Anyos, I'm doing an antagonist (no BCP - it supresses me too much). 450 Puregon. Will be picking up my cycle plan hopefully today so will let you know. I've been on DHEA for 3 weeks now - but am not expecting any benefit of from it to assist this cycle.
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