Long Term Assisted Conception Feb 2008

**briggsy's girl** · February 22nd, 2008, 02:07 PM

BW - life really IS unfair at the moment - it doesn't just seem that way! how can it be fair to put someone that has been to hell and back through so much, and then have them doubting themselves?

i think we can ALL understand the pain and self doubt you're feeling at the moment - and i wish there was something bright and profound that i could say here to make it better for you - but words just aren't enough. Cyber hugs just aren't enough. This whole damn journey is one painful moment after another - if it's not the physical pain of meds/jabs/epu/transfer, then it's the emotional pain of failed cycles, loss, self doubt - blamng ourselves for what is happening - when it's NOT a blame game.

i really don't know what else to say to you at the moment hun - your pain is too raw, and any words are just going to seem hollow - but know that i am ALWAYS thinking of you, and am ALWAYS here for you - no matter what

and for what it's worth - you haven't been as bad on MSN this tww... honest!

**diva det** · February 23rd, 2008, 10:06 PM

oh BW is am sooo sorry hun- that is so not fair!!!!
I hope you are ok as you can be- my helping hand used to be a block of Cadbury's Rocky Road chocolate- definatly what is ordered from DR Odette!!!

as for me .. .
we to acturpuncturist on Friday and it went really well- he believes that the reason i haven't been able to conceive for the past 8 years is the lack of blood flow through my reporductive organs. I am o'ing every month but the lack of blood means that my endometrium is not thick enough until after i have o'ed so both are happening- but just not at the same time. It actually makes sense to me!!!
He believes that i am probably fertalizing my eggy most months as well, but it just can't inplant. And the blood that is supppose to be down there is heading upwards and getting stuck around the base of my skull and causing my migranes!
so he stuck so needles in ,and felt my left ovary (the side i am oing on this month) straight away- it feels heavy and warm from the inside. Can still feel it today.
His plan is to make this month clean out month and then start a fresh next month and work on my blood flow and luteral phase support! He also reckons that my lack of blood flow could have been the reason i lossed bobo as when the placenta was gonna kick in good and proper at 12 weeks, there just wasn't enough blood to sustain bobo.
alll in all it all sounds promising and the fact that i get really good quality eggs, had heaps of breast milk with my twins and no endo or PCOS - its all fixable! Finally someone with a plan to fix rather than just to do IVF!!!
so back next friday for round 2. DH doesn't want to do IVF again as he said he just can't (you guys know what he means) he has reached his point - so putting my faith in this hopefully working
i have always felt that i can do this naturally- now its just gotta happen!!!!
i am pumped- can you tell????
mwha to you all
odette

**melbel** · February 23rd, 2008, 10:11 PM

Thats great odette he sounds like he knows his stuff...seeing as you are melbourne do you mind sharing his details?

**diva det** · February 23rd, 2008, 10:23 PM

no problemo
his name is Winton Terry
he only does OB/GYNO acupuncture and chinese herbal medicine
deals with everything from PCOS, infertility, IVF assistance, Amendorrhoea to VBAC, milk supply, labour induction. A one man stop shop!!! He also works with an OB/Gyno Peter Jarcevic so he has him for medical credibility as well.

Best to ring him on his mobile as he is easiest to contact : 0409 331 929.
He has rooms in Balwyn and also in Carlton- opposite RWH

I first went to him when i was pg with bobo and spewing all day. In one session I had stopped and after 3 session - totally not chucking at all! The results were amazing. He said it would take 3 sessions, and it did
If he can help- he says so- if he can't he will also say so!
HTH and def worth a try
odette

**Megan** · February 23rd, 2008, 10:24 PM

Odette, that sounds promising!

You have got me thinking now....maybe I have similar problems. After my next FET I think I will look into this more. I have a feeling we are nearing the end of our IVF journey.

I will be watching your posts with interest. Good to hear that you are sounding so excited and positive.

**briggsy's girl** · February 23rd, 2008, 10:24 PM

i wish i could find an AP out here who was on the mark with AP for fertility treatment! my chiro is an AP but he doesn't specialise and isn't convinced there is a true benefit....

totally OT - was suffering a bit of insomnia last night (and again tonight) - so penned a little something that i thought you might appreciate

Darkness engulfs me
Invading my thoughts
Altering my perceptions
The room around me
Disappears
Nothing exists
Just me
My husbands hands holding me
Giving me strength
Nothing makes sense
But that tiny blip of hope
A dot on the screen
Waiting to grow
To infuse me with light
Drive away the darkness
New Life

**diva det** · February 23rd, 2008, 10:26 PM

How fare are you from the city BG???

**briggsy's girl** · February 23rd, 2008, 10:28 PM

about two hours, maybe more on a bad day...

is it just me that's finding it amusing that we're all awake at midnight on a saturday night posting in the LTAC thread...

**Megan** · February 23rd, 2008, 10:31 PM

lol BG, I was just thinking the same thing. Suffering major insomnia lately.
No point me going to bed!

**melbel** · February 23rd, 2008, 10:31 PM

Oh yeah its midnight...happy anniversary to me!!!

my one year wedding anniversary today!!!

i am also over an hour fromthe city...do you think he would know people out this way Odette?

**diva det** · February 23rd, 2008, 10:36 PM

I havent heard of another practictioner who is so specialised in OB/GYNO like he is- i live 45 mins away from Calton and its worth the trip!!! It takes me the same time travel wise to go for IVF so it doesn't bother me.
I was just so wrapped that what he said makes so much sense. Doesn't it???
yeah its pretty bizarre that its sat night and we are in LTAC - such party animals we are!!
odette

**diva det** · February 23rd, 2008, 10:37 PM

happy aniversary Mel!!!!

**briggsy's girl** · February 23rd, 2008, 10:37 PM

Happy Anniversary Mel! (and Mr Mel)

**Megan** · February 23rd, 2008, 10:42 PM

Happy Anniversary Mel

I am about an hour from the city as well.
I saw an AP in Berwick a couple of times and he really didn't tell me anything about what he thought the problem was. He took all of my history, did his thing and that was it. Really interested in seeing someone who knows their stuff.

**melbel** · February 23rd, 2008, 10:44 PM

I can see it now...his business will triple at 9 am Monday morning a bit like Dr. Sacks. the power of bellybelly!!

**diva det** · February 23rd, 2008, 10:50 PM

definately knows his stuff
and he asked heaps of questions and even explained to me why he was asking and what my answers mean.
explained that he is gonna clear out all the stagnent stuff first esp build up after D/C and its gonna be a great clean out next AF - something to look foward to (NOT) and then should have heaps more EWCM next cycle and use chinese herbs throughout different stages of my cycle next month. Day 11 today so bring it on!
god my left ovary is making itself known!!! gonna cook it with a heat pack tonight
odette

**Megan** · February 23rd, 2008, 10:56 PM

I'm now thinking I might try and see him in Balwyn. Probably still take me an hour in traffic, but sounds as though it might be worth it.
Odette, how regularly are you going to be seeing him?

**diva det** · February 23rd, 2008, 11:03 PM

he wants to see me once a week till AF. which all up is three session.

Then i don't know-i am tipping around once a forthnight after that. he reckons it will only take a couple of months to fix this problem- so willing to go intense for a bit if it is only short term.
i think initial session is around $95 and then after that is $85 a session plus herbs. You can claim some back on private health insurance if you have that option and he takes credit card!!!!

he is gonna give me a small amount of herbs to have during AF, different herbs from day 4 to o time and then another lot of herbs for my leteral phase. Sounds like he has it all worked out which is fine by me!
He only works 3 1/2 days a week so hopefully he doesn't get so busy that i can't get an appointment!!!! But hopefully he is so good that he doesn't hold onto his patients too long as they all go off with success stories really quickly!!