Long Term Assisted Conception - March 2008

ah so that is why my left ear was burning last nite!!!!
he reckons do not get enough blood into my uterus and therefore i am ovulating and fertalizing, but my endo lining is taking longer to be thick enough for implantation, so they are missing each other - i.e o'ing on day 14 but lining not thick enough till day 18!
also as the blood is trying to flow down there but can't its going upwards and thus causing my migranes and its has no where else to go!
sounds good in theory so gotta get it moving. When he puts the needles in- i do feel real warmth coming from my ovaries- so hopefully its working!
he said that it was probably the reason that i m/c as well as there wasn't enough blood flowing down to let the baby support itself at 12 weeks.

stay sane
odette

Hi guys hope all is well.

Well that was a stressful 2 days. I am so glad no one told how painful the biopsy was going to be otherwise i dont think I would have gone. OUCH!! is all I have to say.. One of those pains that make you catch your breath and go all dizzy and fluffy in the head.....had to lie there for a bit afterwards with hubby stroking my hand as I started to panic......fortunately it passes very quickly.

Had a win...... cos I had sent up the test results my melbourne IVF man had done, turns out he had covered most of what Gavin would test for anyways and I only had to have two vials of blood taken for the NK tests...YAY for me!!!

Now to wait the two weeks for the results...ho hum...nothing is ever quick in IVF world is it?!

Oh and Gavin is a wonderful wonderful man...very straight down the line but in the nicest possible way!!

wow mel

i didnt realise that your appointment was so soon!!!

glad that you were happy with Gavin - i get a sence he really empathises with what you are going through rether than just trying something new - if that makes sense?

sorry to hear that the biopsy was painful - i am greatful that he decided not to do it for me and that we just tried the drugs anyway, and im sure they had an impact on my result, much as my FS is avoiding the subject.

IVF is a waiting game for everything isn't it - GL with your results in two weeks - some times i think it would be easier if i just got a yes that's what you have and this is how we are going to fix it.

will be watching this space

Yep, waiting

IVF = ups, downs, pain, drugs, then maybe downs drugs ups and pain ... then wait ... maybe drugs pains downs then ups! To finish on an up would be nice!:)

waiting, waiting, waiting fet late April 08.:)

7 little blasts sitting in the ice
one is ready .. we say niiice
hopefully will glue
then we'll be 3 no longer 2 !
:):):)

PP, good to see you back. :) Sorry to hear you didn't have a good easter. :( Is next Sunday the market? I'm up for it if you are!
Shannon, hope AF stays away. Keeping everything crossed for good results on Monday. :)
Mel, IKWYM about the waiting. There is ALWAYS something you have to wait for during AC...and never a couple of days...always a couple of weeks! ;) The biopsy sounds nasty though, but at least you were able to have your DH there with you to hold your hand.
Odette, hope the AP manages to get everything in sync for you.
BW, how did your appt go wth your FS?

I have a little bit of good news...I made it to transfer!! They had to thaw all 3 of my remaining embryos to get one. The first 2 lost a lot of cells on thawing and never recovered. The third one was frozen at 10 cells and thawed beautifully apparently not losing any cells, and was compacting nicely this morning.
It was a stressful wait though. My nurse didn't call me until 3pm yesterday to book me in for transfer and give me our thaw results. Then of course she said if there is a problem overnight someone will call me in the morning. I didn't sleep very well half expecting the phone to ring and someone on the other end telling me there's no need to go in. When you've had that call once, it's hard to stress about it.
Transfer was more uncomfortable than usual for some reason. It didn't help that the embryologist took forever to come in with my embryo after he was called. I didn't realise until afterwards but I had dug my fingernails so hard into my arm during the wait that the dents I made have only just faded! DH should be lucky it wasn't his hand I had a hold of! Other than that, the ultrasound was really clear, probably the best we've had during transfer. Probably helped by me drinking the right amount of water this time!
So now, I just wait!

Hi Ladies been awhile since I posted in this thread hope you don't mind if I poop back in here. After 6 months and a Lap we are underway to start a long cycle on day 21 and hopefully end up with a BFP.

Question has anyone one been through a long cycle? This is my first and I am a little confused.

Thanks

Welcome back tiggerlinda! :)
I always start my cycle on day 2, so I'm not sure what kind of cycle you are doing. My down reg cycles are usually 5 weeks plus the TWW.
Just noticed your ticker... are you straight on the synarel on day 21?

Thursday's appointment went mostly well. We're all sorted to start another stim cycle. this time I'm starting at 200IU and sticking with it right through to my first blood test. Relieved as 150IU wasn't enough, but 300IU was way too much, and there was no way in hell I was letting my FS talk me into doing 300IU again, not even for the two days like we did last cycle! He's also introducing a low dose of nizoral when I start puregon. It's an antifungal drug, but he uses it after EPU to help reduce OHSS, looks like he's trying to stop it before it even begins. He's also making DH take 3g of vitamin C daily, as well as folate. It's nice to see some tablets stuffed down DH's throat for a change - particularly as what he's got me taking for the particularly nasty, painful, heavy and clotty AF that just will not end (day 8 now) adds 14 extra tablets to my day if I take the full dose. Ponstan for the pain and cyklokapron to reduce the bleeding. I'm glad it's only temporary, I take enough stuff as it is! The important stuff is that lucrin starts Monday, I take my last pill on Wednesday and back to the clinic on the 11th, so puregon likely to begin on the 12th. They always do it the next day for some odd reason. EPU is estimated to be the 25th at the latest.

When it comes to those 13 vials of blood... the chromosome results aren't back yet (apparently they take 4-6 weeks), but the others are. As far as my FS is concerned, nothing of note.

But... my acupuncture lady has talked about me possibly being borderline for something. She said she wouldn't be surprised if my levels came back normal, but at the upper end of normal for some things. The most obvious one was the lupus anticoagulants. The weak positive range goes from 1.2 to 1.9. I'm sitting on 1.1. The FS isn't bothered at all - it's inside the normal range, but my acupuncture lady is bothered, and we've seen many times that my body sometimes has an exaggerated response to things (especially any form of inflammation). If she had her way I'd be on clexane with the next transfer, but the FS won't even consider it, so she's talking aspirin. There's going to be another email to my obstetrician friend before I make any firm decision on it, but corticosteroids and aspirin are one of the options to help protect pregnancies with this... I'm already on one, and the other is available over the counter.

Megan, I know what you mean about that dreaded phone call... I'm glad you got one back in there, and I'll be praying like mad that this one is the one.

Tiggerlinda, what my clinic calls a long cycle most others call a down reg cycle. They are what I've always done - some time on the pill, then start lucrin (or synarel for those more inclined to sniff than jab), stop the pill, have a period, more time on lucrin, start puregon, trigger, collect eggs, transfer (or stick them all in the freezer for later if you hyperstimulate like me!). Sound about right? Some get to do it without the pill part of things and just start lucrin 7 days after ovulation. I'm not so lucky.

BW

Megan - Thanks for the welcome yep we start the Syernal on day 21. Good luck with the TWW hope you have a heatly and sticky embie on board

BW - Thankyou I must be one of those without the pill. (I react badly to the pill cycles go haywire) So I am doing the Syneral 7 days post ovulation. They have me booked for a scan at 5 days and then starting injections then. (I prefer to jab but FS finds I react better to sniffing) Finger crossed this cycle works.

Thanks for such quick answers

Congrats Megan on your little embie on board! That's fantastic i hope the TWW flies by for you :)

BW - Glad to hear the FS was productive and you are comfortable with the outcome.

Welcome back Linda :)

:hello: to everyone else :)

2 Sleeps to go and i can't wait for this TWW to be over i am sure i have aged 10 years so far!

Shan

well, i figure i best be popping in here and updating after my appointment with the FS this week too - seems we've al been on the move so there's been lots of updating happening!

mel - so glad your getting some investingation (and maybe even some answers re DH!)

odette - i can soooooo understand the frustration with waiting - and finances - hope the alternative treatment works a treat for you

megan - so very glad you got to transfer - i've not had THAT phone call, but i know how stressful it is to wait on it!

lou - hoping you're doing much better after having such a bad easter week

me - well finally have the fs is agreement with me about how to do this next FET - no pill, just a BT and into HRT - woo hoo!! am so very much happier! he also said that, when we next go for a stim cycle (in two years when we're ready to add another kidlet to our family), he has a whole new plan for how to approach a stim cycle for less eggs, but more mature eggs - and we will use ICSI (which i wanted to do) - so it's all good for us! transfer will be in May (all going well with thaw) - so we're good to go again soon! yay

I must be hiding my emotions really well at the moment! Am I comfortable with the new plan for this cycle? Yes. Am I completely comfortable with the fact that I'm doing another cycle? No. I'm scared witless about hyperstimulating again! There's a fair bit of ostriching going on - I'm doing my best to actually not think about the emotions attached to it and just stick to the cold hard facts. As I get closer and closer to the puregon injections... I'm going to get stressier and stressier. I was at first a little annoyed that my EPU would be at the end of the holidays - now I'm relieved! I can do all my blood tests and stressing and collapsing in floods of tears at the clinic in school holidays with no 5am starts and no trying to pretend to be a functional human being, let alone a competent teacher!

BW

Lol BW i conteplated what word to use i thought no, no ones ever happy with IVF treatment won't use happy.. maybe comfortable :) I guess we just have to try and find the positives its not like we get much control in this AC game so we make the most of what we have :) I am really hoping this cycle has no OHSS and a lovely BFP at the end :)

Hi everyone

Just popping in to say hi and good luck to everyone wherever you are at with your cycles, TWWs, etc etc

Nothing much going on with me - just very busy with work and study. DF got back from overseas and quickly got sick with the flu. So I have been running around taking him to the doctor, picking up drugs (for him this time - most unusual ;)), and doing all the cooking and cleaning! Poor me:p And now I have just dropped him off at the airport - he is away for another 8 days for work!! Not much fun.

Anyway, just waiting til April for next FS appointment and hopefully more answers as a result of the lap etc. Hopefully there will be something - it has left us more than $1000 out of pocket. I can't believe how much Canberra doctors charge here! 3 times the scheduled fee? Highway robbery! And of course none of contributes to the safety net because it was done as an in-patient. So not happy! :angry:

Take care all and will pop back in as soon as I can.
xxxxx

Hi Everyone :D

Sooo long since I posted - we need a new computer, but at the moment we have borrowed a friends laptop so I can be back in the world of internet again! :rolleyes:

I have to apologise for not doing personals in this post - still trying hard to catch up reading the posts!

As for us, I think I posted a few weeks ago about DH losing his job - well, after much discussion we have decided to go back to working for ourselves again - and so we are opening pizzeria #3.... a little scary as we both swore we wouldn't go there again :rolleyes: but, hey, desperate times call for desperate measures!

It will be fine - he has promised me we'll get someone else to do the books instead of me this time ( a BIG yay!), and I'm losing him at night time to the hospitality industry once more, but i figure I have you guys for company, so I'll be more than fine ;)

We were supposed to see Dr S this week to decide where to next, but I missed my BT that I had to have on CD21 because I just couldn't get to Sydney that day, so I have to wait for Cd21 of this cycle... aahhh!

Dh wants to wait until the business is open for at least a month before doing our next cycle - I figure that will fly, so we'll wait for CD21, do Dr S's BT and go from there! Am at CD9 now so it will be here before I know it....

Will be back to being more regular again - have missed you guys!!!

xxx

Holly good to have you back sweet Bring on day 2 for you :bluedust: :goodluck: with the business too :hug:

Hi Ladies,

Just to let you know that I had 2x blasts on Saturday, like you Megan, my transfer was so uncomfortable... funny this whole cycle for me has been amazing (so different to any other that I have ever had) then I got to the transfer and my cervix would not open. I was there with my legs up (hubbie at work) for 40 minutes while the specalist was trying to get through!!! (Very painful). We gave it one last shot and she got through (this is a new specalist at our hospital) I really wondered afterwards if she even got the right spot!!! As we do not have have screens/scans or anything to look at to see if the specialist it putting the embryos in the right . Now only 2 days after TER im already going insane thinking that it hasn't worked, it's so so hard when you've been through so many negitives in the past.... anyway my BT is on the 09/04.

When is everyone else's BT??

Smartie :hug: sorry your transfer was painful sending you :stickyvibesboy: for the TWW

Thanks Tiggerlinda xx:)

Hi Ladies

Just wanted to drop in and let you know after 3 1/2 years we seem to have got it 5th time lucky and got a :bfp: on todays blood test with levels if 1305 so very happy and hoping it will sink it soon, all seems a bit surreal.

Also very bittersweet leaving you ladies behind, i don' t think i could have coped doing this without BB and especially you guys :hug:

Hope you don't mind but i am going to keep lurking and checking on you all :)

We have another blood test on Wed to check levels are doubling and a scan next Tues to see how many are cooking in the oven.

Thanks again

Shan

congratulations Shannon - great news

Another big congratulations from me, Shannon! :)

BW

WOW shan - that is wonderful news congratulations - i only know how surreal this may be feeling for you right now. sending you all my prayer for tripling numbers on your next bt

SMartie - sorry it was so painful for you. hoping all these differences mean something GL

Megan - Sunday would be great. ill meet you there just text me a time it starts at 8.30 but im not saying we need to be there then lol

Hi to every one else hope you are all doing well

woohoo Shannon...way to go girl..go on get your bum outta here and into one of those baby buddies threads girlie...you so deserve it!!

Which market you guys going to? I do the yarra glen market this weekend, maybe i will see you there?

hehe maybe you will mel!!

Well Done Shannon

Smartie - Hope you are feeling better.

so Shan - what did you do different this time?

Lol PP i rode the rollercoasters at Dreamworld the day before transfer :) Go the
G-Force!

Seriously though the only that changed was i took aspirin, maybe it did the trick... who knows.

Wow Shannon, that's awesome. Well done!

Congratulations Shannon!! :D I've been so emotional since yesterday, your post almost made me cry!! lol
PP, ok will see you there. Need to work out what time I can get there and how I get there! lol Should be pretty straight forward from here...I hope! ;) Will send you a text in the next day or 2.
Mel, we might see you there! :) I have never been to the Yarra Glen market before so looking forward to it.
Smartie, your transfer sounds like it was nasty. I didn't have that problem, it was just a lot more uncomfortable than usual. At least she was able to get it right in the end and you are now in the TWW. My BT is a couple of days after yours.
Nothing much going on here. I'm just so tired, and feel like crying at the smallest things. Yesterday DH made me cry 3 times and he didn't even say or do anything horrible. I was just being over sensitive. I think it's just tiredness. I feel like I could sleep for about 3 days straight, but when I go to bed I can't actually fall asleep.
The TWW seems to go on forever and I'm only at the end of day 2!

well done Shannon
so glad to kick you outta here!
NOW STAY OUT!!!!! LOLOLOL

I am going to Dreamworld in May so i will be sure to ride the rollercoaster - tell me what seat you sat in- so i can rub the magic seat!!!!!

A/P is doing something to this body of mine- heaps of EWCM and feel me o'ing from friday (day 14) till today- rite on cue ! so being going like rabbits - gave DH a nite off last nite for good behavior - poor bugger

good luck Megan and Mel- i can lend you some straight jackets if you want!!!
take care everyone
stay sane
odette

:dance: Oh my god, Shannon...wooohooo!!!!! :dance:

That is such brilliant news - and fantastic numbers - how amazing for both you & your DH!!!!!!

I couldn't be happier for you, and soooo hoping there's more than one little person in there ;)

Congratulations hun - I couldn't be happier to tell you to get your butt out of here :D

(But please don't forget us! ;))

Yay for you!!!!! :)

Actually I just checked with the boss and apparently this month is my month off from Yarra Glen (I do every second month there). So I will be there in May and June or you can all pop down to Mornington the next weekend (Sunday 13th) and say HI! cos I am there every month!!

I am so glad AF has finally arrived to day.....my body has been arguing with itself since I had the womb biopsy on thursday. My uterus was irritated and crampy and wanted to bleed but my progesterone hadnt dropped enough for a proper AF so the whole weekend has been really crappy for me. Now everything can get back to normal...YAY!

so Mel what do you do there??

I know a few stall owners and market organisers! (maybe i know you???heheh!)

dont really get to any of the others so will have to wait for when you are there next

Glad af has shown for you so you can have a better weekend

Wahoooo - way to go Shannon huge congrats to you and DH :clap::clap::clap: I am betting on two wee ones tucked up inside xx so so exciting....

Megan, yip the 2ww is a killer, im already resigned to the fact that this one has not worked either, god I hate this!!!! How many did you have put back at what stage??

Smartie, I had one put back (we only had one thaw successfully out of the 3 we had left) and it was a day 3. Think positively ;) It's a long time until the BT!!

I've now been bleeding for 16 days straight. I took my last pill last night, and already this evening the bleeding which had pretty much subsided to spotting is heavy again. Cyklokapron here I come! I sort of assumed that once everything had slowed down to spotting that it would stop by itself so stopped taking it... Will be doing the 2 tablets 4 times a day from now on. 16 days! When you consider that my FS does downreg with only 10 days on the pill and I've just stopped it, ergh!

Anyone know if this much bleeding before a stim cycle is a problem? I wish my body would behave for once! There's always a bleeding problem before my stim cycles. Even if everything has been fine for however long before hand, as soon as my body gets a sniff of a stim cycle, it goes nuts! Crazy thing is that the lucrin usually stops it. Not this time. :(

BW

BW I bled on and off for 4 weeks before I changed FS and went non down reg and with new FS we started the next month hope this helps a bit

Ermmm... doesn't help at all, TL. We're sticking with this FS as both me and DH are happy with him and the clinic. I guess this is just something my body does now. I will chat to him again about it, and will pretty much put my foot down and refuse to go on the pill again. He can find other ways to do things!

Didn't get around to calling the clinic today. Have been flat out and exhausted. I did increase my dose of cyklokapron back up to the maximum and in less than a day it's gone from heavy flow to annoying spotting. Hopefully a few more doses and it will stop soon.

Hope everyone is well and has a great weekend planned. Mine's going to be spent resting, marking, and if I can muster the energy and enthusiasm I might even throw in a little retail therapy.

BW

I'm finally back online after having no power for nearly 3 days as a result of that windy weather we had during the week.
I have had a crap week at work and have been battling to hold the tears back as I sit at my desk all week. On Monday (2 days after having transfer - and my manager knew this) I was asked to train the new girl AND do my own job. I spent a total of about 5 hours at my own desk all week and am so far behind I feel sick in the stomach. My manager pulled me aside on Thursday and asked me what was wrong as I didn't seem myself! Seriously, I just wanted to head butt her at that point! Basically she told me not to stress, if I'm behind dont worry about it and that I should have Monday off! Wont that make me feel worse? Having a whole day off to be even further behind and then I'll stress even more? Then to come home 3 nights straight with no power almost sent me over the edge...
This morning DH has gone to play golf and left me to do all the housework that we haven't been able to do this week before our visitors arrive in a couple of hours. I have woken up feeling nauseous and crampy and like I am coming down with a cold. I just want to go and crawl in a hole and stay there for a week so everyone will leave me alone.