Here is the thread I posted a few weeks ago.... Might help a bit more ;)
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Here is the thread I posted a few weeks ago.... Might help a bit more ;)
I think you have answered your own question Dusty. You have to feel like the choice you made was the right one, no matter what the eventual outcome is. It is one of the bigger decisions you will make, and you need to be OK with whatever happens as a result. I hate to say it but this could be a bad result, and good result, or a perfect result...whatever that is for you guys.:
Seeing as you asked i will tell you how i decided on 1 embryo. I know two beautiful sets of girl twins, and in each case one twin has a very severe physical disability, a direct link to being a twin. I decided that i wanted, as best i could, to avoid more possible birth complications.
Twins would be fabulous - and I think that i'd love to have twins, but i couldn't justify the risks to myself.
In the end my FS recommended that due to my poor egg/embryo quality that he put back two last time...so after all my deliberating, i ended up taking his advice and putting 2 back!!!! I am now nearly 7 weeks pg with a singleton.
That is purely my opinion and was right for me. Everyone is different, and i am only saying because you asked how other LTTTCers had come to their decision.
Good Luck and i wish you all the very best tomorrow!!
Jo
PS...they always made me decide well before the trf...they felt that just before the trf was too much pressure and they liked to give you more time to think about it.
Thanks gals :)
Sarah you are a gem linking me to the same question you asked of BB last month. What amazing women there are on BB with all their thoughtful and honest responses, given with such sensitivity and respect.
Jo, your story is quite remarkable. Congrats on your pg! Yeah it is stressful to have to make this decision so late in the piece. I suppose because I haven't responded well to stims before and the quality of my eggs not being great, there was a low probability that I would be in the situation of having two viable embies!
My DH and I have read through all the thoughts and we still have much to discuss ourselves.
Am happy for any more thoughts if anyone is up to it.
dusty (12 hours to go....!)
All i can say now for you Dusty is i wish you the best of luck today and i will be thinking of you.
Take care
Em
I'm thinking of u 2day Dusty! Let us know how u go beautiful!
xxoo
Hope all went well today Dusty and that you managed to get some sleep last night :)
Nic
phew what a 24 hours! really made me realise the magnitude of the decisions we sometimes have to make in our life. but whatever happens now happens for a reason...stick to mummy little embies...
we decided to transfer the 2. to be honest it wasn't the optimum option but it was the best of the options we had on offer and we are happy with it regardless. i also rang and spoke to an IVF specialist friend of the family and he gave me some stats and perspective which also helped our decision.
thanks all for everything. :bluedust: to everyone!
dusty
congrats on getting this far Dusty. I think when you get 2, then you should transfer 2. I think it is sort of like fate and I think putting one in the freezer is not really worth it. We got 2 and transferred them both and had a single pregnancy but miscarried at 10 weeks. Just anecdotally, I think putting back 2 and getting 1 baby is more common than putting back 2 and getting 2.
wishing you loads of luck and sticky vibes.
Awesome news dusty im glad it all went well. What did your IVF Specialist friend have to say if you dont mind me asking??? We have decided IF we get 2 good embryo we want 2 put back.
Great news dusty. Fingers crossed those little embies stick tight :)
Hi Dusty
I hope everything goes well! I look forward to hearing a BFP in 2 weeks time, whether it be twins or a singleton! You & your DH deserve it!!!!!
Mon :)
thanks gals, i am feeling good about this!
anney i am so sorry for your loss.
Mumof5 i caught the IVF specialist on the wknd away from his rooms but off the top of his head this is a summary of what he said (and hope it makes sense!) feel free to PM me or post further if you need clarification.
20% of ET of 2 embryos result in twins
of those that are twins, 20% do badly (his words he didn't elaborate)
1 in 4 (25%) sets of twins have one twin naturally miscarry by week 6-7 (ie no longer show on a scan)
of the remaining 3 in 4 (75%) sets of twins 1 in 5 (20%) do badly (again his words) and may be born up to 28 weeks early
of the remaining 4 in 5 (80%) sets of twins that go past 28 weeks they do reasonably well.
he also mentioned that twins are much harder than individual babies, there is also a greater risk of marriage/relationship breakdown, depression etc.
i asked him to be completely upfront with me in outlining these stats. in the end he said it was difficult choice but he would probably go for transferring both of them for me.
i hope this is of help
dusty
Dusty,
Great to hear how it went. I know it's all done and dusted now, but i totally agree with anney...if you have two, then transfer two.
I wish you all the best in the TWW and i hope you get a wonderful BFP soon.
Take care :grouphug:
congratulations on your two embryos and best of luck for your pregnancy. Whatever happens you can only take each day as it comes and enjoy it to fullest !
I have twins from 2 embies transferred on 2nd cycle but 3rd transfer.
So first two unsuccessful BFN
Then we transferred blasts.
They were born 35wks 4days not because of being twins but because of me developing obstetric cholestasis - a liver problem any one can get.
None of the twins in our group of 10 or more from our playgroup were born as early as 28wks- none less than 35weeks though yes there are twins born extremely premmie. I think identical twins have more risks too. It also depends on mother's past obstetric history , health , age
and level of care. IVF twins do just as well as naturally conceived.
In my experience twins are wonderful and but how would clinic know the stats on marriage breakdown ... it seems most of the people in our twin club are still together. Sure some days are harder but most days are twice the fun. They rang us once to find out the pregnancy outcome never to ask anything else.
IVF /assisted conception twins are on the increase - and even identical twins from one embryo.
I think given that 1/3 marriages/relationships breakdown Anyway
- they should say more families with single babies are likely to breakdown - stats can be skewed anyway.
Goodluck !
hi kotare and baby-amore and thanks for your lovely messages.
BA congrats on your twins, it is so nice to hear your story and it helps put any stat into perspective i reckon. best of luck with your double munchkins :)
dusty
you will be in my :pray: for a BFP whatever way it comes !
Hi everyone
I really need some advice....
I had my first stim cycle in September 2006. I had 8 eggs collected, 6 fertilised and 4 survived to 5 day old blastocysts. The first transfer was 1 fresh - no success. I then had two more frozen cycles with no success. A fourth frozen cycle was cancelled becuase the embryo didn't survive after the thaw.
I started my second stim cylce recently, and had my egg collection today...9 eggs this time.
All through my treatment and sessions with my specialist, he has said that I should stick to transfering 1 embryo at a time because I am still young (33 next week) and that multiple pregnancies are more risky. He also said that transfering more than one embryo doesn't increase the chances of preganacy.
I have done some research lately and I have read that transfering more than 1 embryo does increase your chances, and not only that, when you use a frozen embryo you decrease your chances for that cylce by 30%. I was astonished by this figure (I got it off the Melbourne IVF web site).
It does make sense that fresh would be better :)
Does anyone have any advice, or experiences that could assist me in my discussions with my specialist? I am really torn about what I should be asking for?
have no idea hun im sorry, but just wanted to wish you all the very best
hi mary
i asked the BB folk the same question several months back. my thread and SarahH's thread (linked in my thread) here may be able to help you.
best of luck with the decision and congrats on the EPU today. nice result :)
dusty
Hi Mary,
Wish I could wave a wand and give you a magic answer. I think you need to follow your gut feel and intuition, but also be realistic, ie. what if you do fall with twins (what a blessing huh!).
All the best and hope to hear what you decide upon.
Mon :)
hi there
i have had 1 and two tranferred
when i had two tranferred i had twins who are now nealy 5. Although i love my twins and wouldn't have it any other way , having twins does impact your life alot more and there are alot more risks carrying and delivering twins. The stats for prem-births, health problems, and even the rate of divorce is higher than it is for singletons
It is up to you if you are prepared to take those risks. At that stage of our life we were prepared to take those risks, and although we they were prem and i was really crook, we wouldn't have it any other way
However, since their birth we have only had one put back as we are not prepare to take those risks again and it wouldn't be fair on our twins if the same set of cards was dealt to us again.
good luck with your cycle and good luck with your decision. IVF success rates are just that -rates.
It success is really just like a roll of a dice whether it works or not. My FS told me that at the moment they are getting most of their BFP now from FET, so stats and circumstances change all the time.
if you have any questions please feel free to ask away
good luck
odette
I had a friend a few years ago have 2 put back and guess what happened....one split and became identicle twins....so she ended up with triplets. She wouldnt have it any other way now thats its happened but the complications she had during the pregnancy were enormous and the 1st 2 years of the triplets life was as you can imagine hectic to say the least. So thats something to keep in mind as well
Claire
yep higher chance of egg splitting and ID twins with ISIC pg that naturally conceived pg. They are not sure why but that is what the data is telling them
odette
I don't have to face this decision because of my blood disorder - my FS will not do 2 because if they did both take - the stress twins would put on my body during the pregnancy is very high and he is worried about it.
In a way I am kind of glad because I can say that it one less thing for me to worry about. I thought about it alot at the beginning of my IVF journey as it does come up and it quite a big and tough decision to make. My 3rd time I started to wonder if I should to 2 this time and when I had finally came to the decision that I would I ask for 2 and then let it be whatever it was going to be, the decision was made!
Talk to your FS and ask everything under the sun that you can think to ask and take the information anyway with you. Then ask yourself in a moment when its quiet and you are relaxed and see what your heart says - if 1 or 2 feels right or wrong.
MaryT,
actually recent advances in IVF technology has closed the gap between success rates for single and double embryo transfers, and you have almost as much chance of falling pg with 1 embryo as with 2 nowadays. Also because you are young and have only had a 2 transfers previously, and you're doing a blast transfer, I would perhaps take your doctor's advice this time. You are not yet classed as having issues with failure to implant, so you're taking a big risk of twins with a double blast transfer. Hopefully you'll fall soon and then it will be a moot issue, but if that doesn't happen, transferring two embryos is still something you can do in latter cycles.
Thanks to all of you for your words of encouragement and advice.
I think that you can drive yourself crazy by "researching" options related to IVF - and the truth is, you can't beat advice from people that have been through it before or are going through it themselves!
Dusty, I found your thread after I posted mine...it was helpful, thanks.
I think I will stick with 1 at a time ... at least until I exhaust all of my frosties from this stim cycle. Then I have no doubt I will be asking myself the same question again.
I have my blast transfer scheduled for Tuesday - so off to the two week wait thread soon!
Hi MaryT
good luk with transfer on Tuesday!!!! sticky vibes for you...
i am 32 and always had 1 put back in. it took 3 transfers 1 fresh 2 frozen, but it has finally worked. mine were all blasties too. i think as you have agreed to try one at a time. you do have quite a few snowbubs.
anyway best wishes
Hi Mary T,
I too went through that dilemma on the last cycle - and ended up just transferring one little & lucky embryo :dance:
due to my age I could have 2 embryos put back and I was adament that I was going to transfer the 2 however just before transfer my Dr convinced me that putting back only 1 was the best thing to do.....she basically scared me out of having more than 1 put back (ie splitting of the embryo, premature birth, birth defects etc)
At the end of the day I just wanted a healthy baby .....
I really think that it is a personally choice and you should follow your instincts & heart.
All the best :)
That's very interesting, Odette. That's the first time I've heard that.:
yeah Rols it surprised me but my FS Dr Mc Bain told me that last time I saw him after i got a BFP from a FET
I thought that most would come from fresh cycles - but apparently not so!
hopefully we both get success from our FET this time hey- just to keep up with the trend!!!
odette