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Eliza hun:
Day 21 Prog Test, lets you know if you have ovulated, and possibly how may eggs you may have released. Dont rely on them to know if you are pregnant or not. As for your GP, I cannot believe he is clueless. What state are you in ? We may be able to steer you towards a good gp/fs
Thanks Miss K
Well i guess the questions are what is it? Why did they do it and what is the intended result?
Why was it recomended over other non surgical treatments?
I see you had 6 clomid cycles and only one FSH, did they not try any other FSH cycles.
I had one clomid cycle and 5 FSH ones. All bar my last FSH I ovulated, all BFN. I am interested in why we have not had any signs of a pregnancy. As you can see we have DS, he was natural conception.
Sorry for the bomb bardment of questions just interested to find out more.
Hi there Sandygirl, Saph204, Miss K, Wouldluvabubba, Coco1411, Spring etc etc.
For those of you returning in here you are well supported as always and lovely to have you back. Same goes for the new ones.
I believe there is always HOPE. As long as we have hope there is a chance.
AFM - Can you believe that my sister gave birth to her 2nd child on Mother's Day this past weekend. Gosh it became quite an emotional day for me. Now both of my sister's have 2 children each and I have none. There were so many family phone calls doing the rounds on mother's day talking about the new bubba with much excitement (of course). And at times I would get dead silence on the phone as people suddenly remembered my plight. It was just horrible actually. I'm so happy for my sister, but so sad for myself. I just want to be a mum. When will it be my turn?
Wishing you all a great week. And GL to those who are going through a cycle :D
Wouldluvabubba: I am in Newcastle NSW. I have an appointment with Denise Nesbitt in June, she is a Gyno, but I don't know of any other places ppl to talk to. My Dr is the best GP but soooo not when it comes to TTC and Preg. When I was preg and I was having bloods done every few days the levels were not doubling at all..they were rising yeah but not as much as was considered normal..
he was saying "well as long as those levels keep going up it means everything is still going well" and I was spotting and I went to hospital to have an ultrasound at which i saw a heart beat but im certain it was that night that my angel passed.. Ive dealt with all of that now, but i feel Im not getting the attention medically That i really want. I dont want to know more than the doctor you know?
We have been trying all up since Oct 2007 but I went back into 6month+ after the m/c I didnt want to get into the TTC12+ thread..but I think quite a few of us in that tread will be joining you very soon!
Saph - Ok so the drilling was done due to an old school theory that people with PCOS have a hard shell like casing over the top of the ovary which stops eggs from being able to be realeased they found this out back in the day when trying to remove cysts by cutting them out then all of a sudden most of the people who had the surgery were falling pregnant as the testosterone levels dropped dramatically.. So with this surgery being done they say you may ovulate on your own with no drugs or if it doesn't work clomid may have a chance this time if failed last time! Though the procedure may work for 1 month to 6 months there is definately no promises that it will work at all!
I has FSH once with injections on the lowest dose and had severe OHSS which nearly caused me to die I was hospitalised for 2 whole weeks had drains in me oxygen 24/7 and all due to 30kg's of fluid being put on overnight I doubled my weight within a week... We fell pregnant that time so it felt worth it in the end I seen lil bean at 4 weeks 6 weeks and 8 weeks and his heartbeat was going strong but they had concerns due to the stress I had been through with the OHSS and the baby not having much fluid around him so at 10 weeks went for OB scan he said it would be fine I have seen bub that many times and haven't had any dramas then there was no heartbeat so was booked for a D & C and my FS said she would never give me FSH again via injection due to she has never in her 20 years of experience seen anybody blow up the way I did!!
Hope that makes you understand the procedure a bit more!
Mindhugs - I know exactly what you mean babe DF's sister in law is due for number 2 now and his other sister has 2 his actual sister likes to rub it in and it hurts seeing the other one due and looking at her tummy on mothers day though she is wonderful and supportive.. I see your having your FET June I hope that time flys and you get your healthy sticky BFP at the end of it babe!!
Hi Ladies,
Sadly I'm back in here. I tried to post yesterday but something happened and it didnt post.
So many names here that I don't recognise in just 2 weeks. Will do personals once I've worked out what's what.
So Sunday a week ago I caved in and POAS and it was a faint 2nd line. Had my BT on Thurs and it was confirmed as a +ve, but with very low numbers, and I was warned that I might lose it. Over the weekend my family was great trying to make me feel special on Mothers Day (my wish had been to be pg by MD) but then I had a 2nd BT yesterday and my hcg had dropped to only 13. I couldn't sleep all night and when I got up at 3am this morning I was bleeding.
I am so devastated and it's really hard cause DH is not an emotional person at all, and becasue it was so early he just sees it as never existing at all and he doesn't understand why I'm so upset becasue we were told there was no chance of success before we started. He just doesn't get it and it is so frustrating having to do all this on my own.
Sorry about the long winded "me" post, just had to get it all out. It's eating me up.
:goodluck: to you all wherever you're at.
just saying hi to all, hope what ever part of your cycle your in all is going well. nothig is happening for me with TTC that is anyway.
chat soon
BOC so sorry to hear that you're having a hard time. The boys do seem to turn a blind eye, its only recently that my DH has started to get emotional about it all and it gives me some releife because it was like he was a robot when we lost our baby. Good luck sweety xx
Thanks Coco. I too am in Newcastle and I see Dr Hedges in the same building as Nesbitt & Hunter IVF. :goodluck:
Boc are they good in there? Have you ever seen nesbitt? I wanted to see a woman, I feel a bit funny seeing a man..
Yeah they are. The nurses are lovely. I haven't seen Nesbitt, I went to Hedges as I was told he was the best in the area, but I have heard the others there are great as well. Let me know what you think when you go.
Hi All - just popping in to ask a quick question, I have my EPU on Friday, scan tomoro.
Warning TMI - I noticed alot of CM this morning is this normal or is my body wanting to O?? I am still on Synarel and puregon.
TIA and good luck to all of you this cycle :pray:
Lionfish - I had exactly the same. Truckloads of CM. Apparently it's common. No need to worry.
Miss K thanks for the run down, I am so sorry about your responce to FSH. Mine has been the other way. I got up to 125iu last time and had an unresponsive cycle and got cancelled. So this time I will start on 100iu and have been using metformin. Oh well I willo just have to keep jabbing away. You info was interesting, i have a review with FS on the 16th of June so I may discuss this as an option.
BOC I am so sorry for your loss. I know this is a devestating time and DH is probably protecting himself from feeling the pain by not feeling anything at all. It is different for the men as they dont have the chemical changes that we have even at this early stage. Just be there for each other.This might sound a little callous but this is a positive it raises points that implantation has occured now what to do to maintain it. I am the stage where i am wondering if we can even fall pregnant as after 6 cycles we have not had even the slightest sniff of a baby. I keep thinking of all the money and what else I could have done with it. But please remember my situation is different we are TTC#2.
Thank you So much mindhugs I feel better about that :)
BOC - I am sorry for your loss. I was in the same position as you last October. I had severe OHSS and was told that this usually means I'll fall pregnant. Well, I did, sort of, but my levels soon dropped, just as yours did. Give yourself some time, as you need it. If DH has trouble talking about it, find a close friend, mum or sister who has a good ear and gives warm hugs.
Lionfish - I agree with Mindhugs, lots of CM is normal, icky, but normal.
AFM - Unexpectedly I had to trigger yesterday after being told I had already ovulated. It caught me by surprise as I wasn't expecting it until tomorrow. So, time for jabbing with pregnyl once again. FET will be on Friday some time, which means I don't get to go to the races! Damn! I was looking forward to a few champas and wine. No, Saturday is now a rest day for me.
I have one concern though, when I bought my pregnyl 1500 it didn't feel cold. When I asked them it had been refrigerated, they said yes. How much do you reckon this could affect things if it wasn't? It keeps playing in the back of my mind.
Boc- Sorry to hear of your loss expecially after trying soo hard getting the happiness then getting sad news its the most awful thing ANYBODY can go through! Its hard when DH is not a very emotional person as it means its hard to show emotion yourself cause you feel as though you are the only one thats hurt and he isn't as much (he is but doesn't show it) mine is the same and was the same after OHSS and loosing our little angel ... IF you need ANYTHING you know all us girls are here for support and if you want to just let it all out via a private messge to me I am happy to listen and try and make u feel a little better xoxoxo
Saph - Its definately worth talking to your FS about it because this is my last resort now before turning to donor egg or looking into adoption and for a few more scars and a lil more hope its soo worth it just the waiting till the 4th june to see whats going on down there and if its going to work shall kill me its like the 2WW in 4WW to see if there is an O coming up then another 2WW!
Spring - I have everything crossed for you hunny!! I am not sure on Pregnyl side of things lets hope it doesn't matter either way I thought aslong as they were under a certain temp and out of the sun it would be ok till opened?
Sorry if I type soo much I am the biggest chattabox you'll meet!!
Lionfish we are cycle buddies! I also have a scan tomorrow and EPU friday, and also noticed CM today!!! I was worried that the synarel had not worked and i was ovulating!I will let you know how the scan goes tomorrow night. Right now i have lots of back and abdo pain so hoping that plenty of eggies are growing. :pray:
I am also in NQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi guys,
Just wanted to say a huge thanks to you all for the support and kind words. I really appreciate it, and you guys are pulling me through. :grouphug:
I cornered DH in the kitchen tonight and asked him why he's acting so cold. Basically he sees it that it was so early and because it wasn't yet a foetus he basically believes it never existed. It made me really angry, especially since he told his son that we just got a negative. Now I'm just working on getting him to acknowledge it. We'll see how we go. :crossfingers:
MissK: Thankyou you're so kind. Don't mind the chatterbox, I'm a bit that way too, sometimes there's not enough words to say what you mean :lol:
Spring: Good luck with the early trigger! Don't fret too much about the races, you'll prob save yourself a few $$$ from the champas and flutters so that's gotta be good ;)
Saph: How are you finding the metformin? I had "morning sickness" on it for the first 2 weeks but was fine after that.
To everyone else, :gooduck: with your pill-popping, sniffing, jabbing etc. Saying a :pray: for you all.
Boc - I bet you just wanted to stamp on his head!!! Men have funny ways of coping don't they!!!
WARNING LONG RANT:
I just had a HUGE teary on the phone to my nanna of all people!! As I have said in previous post had my ovarian drilling on Friday well I don't have a very supportive mother at all she thinks I should wait and it will happen when its ready.. We are partners in a business together she does the book work and I do everything else so I was questioned why I wasn't at work and when I was returning I am still weak and sore from the surgery on Friday to my reply probably Thursday ( mind you there is another girl opening and closing for me and I wasn't needed anyways).. Though I had no message or phone call asking me how I was feeling if I am getting better blah blah its like she is ignoring the fact I have just gone through surgery! The only person to check up on me is my grandparents and bestfriends I really don't know what to do I thought Mums were supposed to be supportive of the decisions their children make! Not always be wrong and be the enemy :(
End of Rant sorry had to get it out!
Chatterbox # 3, here I come!
Miss K - I hope you are right about the pregnyl. It's just that the packaging says 2-8 degrees so I couldn't understand why a chemist of all places, wouldn't have it stored properly. I'm such a stress head.
And about your mother, my mum is EXACTLY the same as yours. She is just as supportive as your mum. I've decided it's because a) she doesn't understand the severity of the situation (she's old school) b) she's like most people and that that it will happen naturally, with or without IVF so why bother worrying about it c) because she had 9 children (YES, 9!) she thinks I don't need help. Miss K, your mum is like most people I think, but it's just a shame that both our mum's can't get past those stigmas and just BE THERE. I deal with it by not talking about my situation with people who aren't very supportive. If they want to know, tell them, but keep it simple so that you minimise the hurt when they don't sound that interested in the answer.
BOC - You are sounding more positive already lovey! Hang in there. Don't mind DH. He may very well be trying to distance his emotions from the situation so that he doesn't get hurt. As most of us women know men deal with situations VERY differently. Don't force him to open up as this could get the opposite reaction. But it is important that you let him know how you feel as this could help him connect with his feelings about the situation and help him understand why you have reacted the way you have.
MellMell - Good luck on Fri. You must be getting very excited! I hope they scoop up lots and lots of follies. I'll be thinking of you :)
Good night ladies. Time for some shut eye
Jen xx
Hello Ladies,
Just to let you know I have now officially lost my mind. I had my scan this morning and I have 6 20mm follies on the left and 2 20mm follies on the right. 8 in total. My FS seemed happy, I started to cry and said "How can there only be 8". He turned the screen to show me like I thought he was lying to me. I was very dissapointed. He tried to console me then sent me out to the nurses. Don't get me wrong I think he is a great FS and kind too, it's just that I have IVF madness!!! I had an expectation of 10-12 big fat follies at least (I have had so much pain I thought i was growing 100), no now I feel like my body let me down. Rationally I know it's an okay result, but I can't shake the feeling of sadness. To compound the craziness now I'm worried that if I sneeze (my yard just got mowed) I will somehow bust the follies and my eggs will be lost!! Have I really lost the plot or what!!!
:bluedust:
Mell..............
I'm sure sneezing can't do any harm.....sorry mell for your confusion but I'm due for my first EPU in a few weeks so I have no idea what normal numbers are :hug:
Aww Mell hunny its soo disappointing when your expecting them to say 10 and its a smaller amount its not very nice! It does become an obsession but there is nothing wrong with that and don't let anybody tell you otherwise! See I got stressed out yesterday and I was like oh no my surgery will fail and I won't produce and egg and that means I have to search for other options or something.. Its a very hard thing and you think the worst of everything cause we all are used to disappointment! sending lots of *babydust* your way babe And crossing everything that can be crossed for Friday!
Spring - Thanks hunny atleast I know I am not the only one with a crazy oldschool mother :)
you've got me intrigued Miss K......if you don't mind me asking, what's ovarian drilling?
Mell: It's ok we all get the madness. I think the hormones we're pumped with add to that. Shortly before my EPU when I was drugged to the eyeballs and an emotional wreck I cried at the supermarket when I couldn't find the frozen peas in their normal section! As for your FS, men just don't seem to get it do they! In fact I don't think anyone other than IVF-ers get it. :crossfingers: toes and everything else for your EPU. Don't forget lots of water.
Spring: I hope your pregnyl is ok. As you say, surely a chemist of all people knew what to do. Maybe it was just new stock and they'd just unpacked it? My FS gives it to me direct, and you also get a little soft esky type thing with ice packs for transportation. Pity more FSs haven't thought of that.
MissK: Sorry to hear about the Mum probs. It's good that your grandparents are so supportive. Maybe they can have a "chat" to her and try and make her see sense. If all else fails, you always have us. All rants and raves welcome and we all know EXACTLY how you feel. :goodluck:
AFM I'm doing ok. Went to the hairdressers today and cut all my hair off (I've been growing it for 2yrs) and I feel a bit fresher. Gonna put on some makeup and some nice clothes and hope that picks me up a bit. DH and I had a bit of a pow-wow at 3:30am this morning. He made the mistake of telling me how the last thing he needed before he goes to work is me being upset. Well I just fired back and told him the last thing I need is to be feeling like this. I told him I can't do this on my own and I need him to be a husband not a judge and I need him to show me full support because a hug just doesn't cut it etc etc etc. Anyway I think I got through cause he rang me a few hours ago and he was a completely different man. Let's hope anyway!
Anyway I had better get off here, wishing you all lots of :pink-babydust::bluedust:
Okie dokies here is a detailed explanation:
Ovarian Drilling
For women of child-bearing age who do not ovulate, a surgical procedure that may be suitable in some cases is laparoscopic ovarian drilling. The aim is not to treat the cysts but to destroy a portion of each ovary.
For reasons that doctors do not fully understand, damage to a small amount of ovarian tissue tends to reduce the male hormone levels and helps to restore normal or nearly normal function of the ovaries. However, the only benifit of the surgery is to provoke ovulation; it is not a treatment for PCOS.
During the procedure,small portions of each ovary are destroyed usina a diathermy (heat) needle. About 10-20 tiny holes are drilled into each ovary, Some surgeons use a laser device!
Success rates have been good. About eight women with PCOS out of every 10 ovulate after undergoing laparoscopic ovarian drilling. Studies show that about one woman of child-bearing age out of every two achieves desired pregnancy after this surgery. However, the procedure is not a cure. The beneficial effects can be short lived! Also those who have not had success from Clomid or FSH drugs may now be responsive after the laprascopic ovarian drilling.
This procedure is usually performed usung "keyhole surgery" ( laparascopy) A slender viewing tube (laparascope) is inserted through the belly button. Surgical instruments are inserted through additional small incisions. After treatment, the instruments are removed and incisions are stitched closed.
Hope this gives you all a better understanding of it Much love xo
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Boc- YAY for change its as good as a holiday :) *hairdresser talk right there :P* Lets hope that what you said does change things forever hunny and you have a new improved hubby by your side xo
Thanks MissK....i had never heard of the procedure before. It sounds a little painful!!. Good luck with your journey and hopefully you won't have too many more of these procedures!
Hey Guys,
Thanks for the comfort and kindness, especially BOC. You have just been through hell and here I am ranting about 8 follies and you were comforting me, now I feel like a total selfish fool :redface:. You are such a trooper! I realise how lucky I am to be able to access IVF at all and that 8 is fine and some poeple get told they have none and the cycle is cancelled. YAY for my little follies :clap: LOL.
Lionfish - How did you go sweetie????
:bluedust:
Mel............Bring on the Pregnyl!!!
Lionfish - Any news?
MellMell - 8 is not huge but it is a good number. The more follies you have, the more pain you tend to be in, especially after EPU. I had 21 and after EPU I had severe OHSS. Just remember, it's the quality, not the quantity. It only takes one embie to make a beautiful baby honey, so don't be too hard on yourself. You are well on your way there.
Miss K - I hope you are feeling better today and mother has noticed you are not at work!
BOC - I'm so pleased you and DH seem to be turning a corner. I hope it cdontinues to improve. Good on you having the hair cut. It always gives me a pick-me-up too!
AFM - I had a hellish day at work. I cried 3 times and just can't seem to get ahead. The last thing I want is work stress hanging over my head at this point in time. WOOSAH!
Good night ladies xx
:hello:
Hope everyone is having good day.
Mell: don't feel bad, we are all going through our own personal hell. I feel a little selfish too complaining when it's only my first round when there's people here who've had up to a dozen rounds and gotten nowhere. But all that aside we're here for each other and we all understand in a way noone else can.
Spring: Sorry to hear you had a bad day. Sounds like a bubble bath night is well overdue! (Tip: if you want to make really good bubbles use Johnson's baby shampoo. Leaves bubble bath products for dead. It's also a fabulous alternative for a makeup remover!)
Sending lots of :bluedust::pink-babydust: to the rest of you.
AFM have had a good day today, in a really positive place today. I decided to spoil myself this arvo and did a hair treatment, ocean salt facial and avocado & lemongrass shower steam. There's no hot water left (oops!) but I feel so much better :lol: It is also my 3-month wedding anniversary today so have prettied myself up and am cooking a nice dinner for DH seeing as he's tried so hard yesterday & today.
I'm going on a winery tour on Saturday, for those that know the Hunter Valley it's the Lovedale Long Lunch. Am going to break my self-imposed alcohol ban (3 months now) for one day only and enjoy some wine tasting. I'm hoping I don't turn into a blubbering mess along the way :crossfingers:
Enjoy the rest of your evening and thank you all again for being the wonderful people you are!
God morning ladies. I'm going in for my transer in ONE HOUR!!! Aaargh! Wish me luck.
Goodluck Spring!!! Will be crossing everything for you hunny xoxox
Ok, transfer now done. FS was running an hour and a half late, which means by the time it was my turn my bladder was ready to burst! I'm happy now, all done. Unfortunately it's time to get ready for work.
Have a great weekend girls. I hope my my little embies are snuggling it nice and tight. Please stick, please stick!
Spring I am sending you lots of :stickyvibesgirl::stickyvibesboy:
Miss K thanx for explaining the drilling ;) I had never heard of it either, heres hoping that it is your answer.
Mellmell, hope you are feeling ok after your EPU. Was great to meet you this morning and chat. Goodluck will be thinking of you. Take care of yourself.
AFM - EPU done and I have eggs hopefully fertilised and growing! Will know more tomoro.
Spring, just a quick one, which IVF clinic are you going to? And how did you get them to put back 2 if you are only 30? I asked my FS to put back 2 and he refused and told me they can't do it for women under 35. For me it's ok but my DH is 52 and I want our family (2-3 kids) completed before he's 55 and I asked if they would do 2 as a kind of safety net incase 1 didn't work.
I'm also thinking of changing to one of the Sydney clinics cause there's a few other things about my FS I don't like. I've heard some good feedback about New Generation (???) at Westmead, anyone dealt with them?
Thinking of you all, wherever you may be.
BOC - I'm with Fertility First in Hurstville. Dr Anne Clarke is the doctor. She is excellent and has won many awards.
The first two cycles we transferred one at a time. But with the second one we thought, what the hell, lets try two. When we asked about if we could the nurse said most couples do two and some to more. I've heard some don't allow it for fear of twins, but it increases your odds and the worst that can happen is that you give birth to two beautiful babies. For me, twins aren't ideal as I don't have any support network in town. But it's the risk the parents should make, not the docters. I hope this helps.
BOC - so sorry to read your news. I hope you had a lovely dinner with your DH and you enjoy the wine tasting. We're all here to support you!
B2B - how are you? Ready to start jabbing? I'm getting nervous hee hee.
Spring - glad your transfer went well. Now, lots of resting this weekend for you.
Hello to the new and returned ladies in here too!
AFM I've been quiet and waiting waiting waiting - and FINALLY got AF today. :clap: So my progynova/provera routine actually worked! I must say it's so bizarre to have AF again, considering I've had about 2 x AF in the last 3 years ha ha, and that was when I was on the pill. Before we found my clotting disorder, as now I'm not allowed to take the pill.
Anyway I am all set for my BT and scan on Monday, and to start jabbing. So excited. God it's been a bloody long wait since we found out in September that we needed full IVF.
DH is going to be away next week too, but I'll be ok I think. I hope!!
Anyway I'm working in a polling booth tomorrow for our daylight saving referendum, which means about a 14-15 hour day - eek. Better head off to bed soon!!