Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception - April/May 2009

Loops we must have being posting at the same time. I'm so sorry AF arrived, i know it hurts so much and I'm thinking of you. Take care of yourself. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. x

Sorry infinity I think we posted at the same time. Sorry your not feeling very positive. Me neither to be honest, Im just so stressed about the cost of all this.
But hang in there and Im sure we will get there soon. Thniking of you x

And again lol

:hello: ladies

Infinity: yep I must be a little immature too cause I thought it was hilarious.

Mahli: with ya there, I too walk the fine line between normal & OHSS and was given a lower dose of puregon to start with. I have to have another BT Sun to make sure my follies don't OS. Love the name by the way, Mahli is one of our favourite girl's names.

sandygirl: don't fret, just having your encouragement is great and one day you'll be the experienced one giving advice to the newbies.

B2B: I'm not sure exactly, I think they said to us maybe 6 rounds or something, but the counsellor told us to expect about 18mths to 2 years, that's what I've been telling people anyway in the hope they would quit with the "are you pregnant yet" questions for a while (althought THAT hasn't worked at all!) Good luck joining the IVF train and hope you hit it first shot!

To everyone else :crossfingers: and lots of :bluedust: and :stickyvibesgirl:!

AFM had 1st scan & BT this morning. Approx 13 good of the bigger follies, and about 24 little ones. The big ones are good but are only 11-13mm and they want to build thenm to about 17mm so we have been told EPU will be Tues or Wed, and I have to have another scan/BT on Sun

Have been so very emotional, which for me is not usual and is rather freaking out DH. I started crying last night and he couldn't handle it and went to bed, which I'm not too happy about - I really need him right now. I pretty much haven't stopped since, I cried all over the poor nurse in the clinic this morning and I even cried at the supermarket a little while ago when I couldn't find the frozen peas in their normal section! I hate feeling like this, would much rather be ripping people's heads off than bawling all the time. It's hard because noone else around me seems to get it, and the few people we know that do understand are so wrapped up in their own problems that they don't really care. Does anyone else feel this alone?

Anyway better get off here, my parents will be arriving any moment. Off to Thai for dinner tonight, yum yum, haven't had it in ages but not really sure I should be inflicting myself on the general public in my current state...

Hope you all have a great weekend and :goodluck: wherever you may be in your cycle!

[QUOTE=Ella'sMum;1750299]Hi Ladies,


Then booked in for HSG Xray on Friday 24th April at 12.15pm...... all good until the lady on the phone FLOORED me with the cost.... $522.00 My GOD, are they using Gold Dye?
After Medicare its only $210.00 Out of Pocket, but I wasn't expecting such a large figure, anyway its all good if it gets me to the end result!
Still no word back on the metformin, no-one has any answers???

Ella, I had my HSG at a public hospital and it was bulk billed. Are you going to a private clinic hun ...

Wouldloveabubba: Get out of town.... I'm having mine done at a public hospital but I think the xray/ultrasound etc dept might be a seperate entity, I'll definately be checking this out before my appt next week. Thanks heaps.

(Post started: 12:30PM - Post finnished: 8PM)
"Sorry for the delay, i am running the farm atm and had to get back out there to babysit the M.G Dude fixing the feed system, Geez, i mean come on! Anyway..."
Cheers Lou.
We will be here with you bothe 100% whenever you's need us! When you guys finaly decide to take the trek. that is.
Have fun moving in! :D Kaz and i will probably be moving in a couple of months aswell, Mid June i think.
So our address will change but i will PM you on FB with our current one just incase you wanted to come over and bug kaz while she's on meds LOL, its funny, i do it all the time :D
Hope everyone's doing well with their April cycling!

Ella : You can take a couple of pain relief tablets before you go. I found it uncomfortable, I don't have a very high pain threshold going on here, though. Just a little hint, that I didnt realise before. GL shopping around.

Hi girls,

Well one more change - now FS has said 3W estrogen, 1W progesterone, then apparently I'll get AF (not sure if this happens while I'm on the prog or after it?). Then it's jabbing time! yay! So hopefully I'll be jabbing by mid-May. So far I think I may have had a couple of hot flushes but also could have been the wine I was drinking :redface:

Loops - GL with your next FS appt. I know at our clinic ICSI adds about $1K to the bill but out of pocket is maybe only a few hundred.

BOC - hope you're doing ok with the emotions! That is what I am a bit scared of myself, I guess I'll find out in a few weeks if that happens to me. Sounds like you've got lots of follies though which is great!

Ella's Mum - I'm on metformin (though I'm a bit slack in taking it I must admit) although I have no PCOS issues, but my FS basically said he didn't think it would do me any harm and might improve my egg quality. I take one slow release 500mg a day, and get no side effects.

We're off to a fancy dinner tonight, a belated dinner with friend's for my 30th. Last chance for me to get boozy as soon I'll be pg I'm sure (positive thinking!!!).

Well hi all,
So much has happened while I was away, hope everyone is doing well.

Had the most amazing four days away with the girls. shopped til we dropped, went and saw Billy Elliot and Wicked both the most amazing shows ever. i loved them, so if in Mel you should try and catch them. We all loved Billy, but we are all teachers and to see those talented children performing was great.
Our flight home was delayed so I didnt get home until 2 am this morning. Then bloods at 7.30, e2 325, LH 5.5 i am absoultely shatters so still jabbing away. Thinking insemination will be late next week, hoping for more than one follicle.
Looks like lots of people starting new cycles soon hope everyone is doing well.

Hi everyone,

Just popping in for a quick hello and good luck to all those cycling or about to start!

Just waiting (prob 2 more weeks to go!) for AF to come so can do natural FET.

Thoughts to those who faced a BFN over past few weeks...

Had embryo shipped over from Monash to MIVF (to add to 4 already there) - $250 for courier!!! DH offered to pick it up in an eski!!!

Chat soon :p

i am still watching over everyone, just so many new guys finding it hard to keep up, especially since i've been away.
good luck to all the newbies and everyone doing a cycle

good luck to everyone else too.

see you all soon.

Hello,

I am also new to this site. We have been TTC since Sept 07. We have recently tried IUI and was considering trying IUI again. However, my fertility specialist said I can go straight to IVF if I wan't. It seems like a big step and I have been struggling with the decision for a few weeks.....:wall:

:hello: girls,just popping my head in to do some lurking ,
take care xxoo and good luk

Hi all,
I just thought I'd give a quick update. My FS appointment was o.k. today. He was very thorough and very clinical. I was expecting that. He gave me about a 45% chance of success. All the stats sounded very scary, he then reminded me that without IVF i have a 0% chance. That kinda put it back into perspective.

So now I play the waiting game; I get my BT's and Ultrasound done in the next couple of weeks. Then after AF arrives (which I'm not expecting for a couple of weeks), I wait for Day 19 to start sniffing. Does this sound right? I thought it a bit strange to start on day 19. Would love to know if anyone knows why Day 19?

Sorry for the me post. Hope everyone is well.

Hi all,

Hope everyone is good. Just popping in for a quick update.

A big :welcome: to all the newbies!

sandygirl: I started sniffing day 18 so yeah 19 sounds ok.
JBM: :hello: nice to see you pop in again
smithy: Lurk away hun! Hows it going?

To all the TWWers: :crossfingers:
And to everyone else, :goodluck: wherever you're at!

Quick update, had 2nd BT & Scan on Sun, a few follies were up around 18-19mm and the rest of the goodies were 13-15 so they delayed us yet again in order to let them all grow a bit longer before EPU. My estrogen levels were getting a little on the high side too and they were worried so they doubled my dosage of Synarel and made me take it 3 times a day instead of 2! OMG! It was soooo horrible and on top of the nausea, vomiting, headaches and insomnia I developed a sinus inflammation from it too! Thank god it's all over now! Took my trigger last night which wasn't too bad and and enjoying my drug-free day today!

So TOMORROW is our big day! (DH having his sperm aspiration 2moro too). Getting a little nervous now, does anyone know exactly how sedated you are and whether it hurts a lot or not? Trying to mentally prepare.

Oh and tip for anyone who hasn't had their EPU done yet, I got a "lovely" pphone call from the hospital last night, seems my FS only operates in private hospital and becasue we changed our health cover last year we're not covered at all yet! So with 2 days notice we have to come up with $1900 on top of the $6500 I paid to the IVF yesterday! Ouch! Make sure you check before you have yours done!

Anyway ladies, sorry for the ramble, I'll get off here now. Hope you all enjoy the rest of your day!

Hi to everyone - there's a lot of us at the moment which means lots of support to be shared around!

Mahli09 - Have you had your EPU yet? Fingers crossed all goes well for you
Infinity - Sending you some positivity vibes and hope you're feeling more positive this week. :goodluck: with your FET.
BOC - all the very best for tomorrow. I had my EPU yesterday and had a general as I had a lot of eggs so not sure about the whole sedation thing.
Saph204 - :crossfingers: for you for more than one follie
mitf - a difficult decision as to when to move on from IUI to IVF but one that only you know the answer to. We did 2 cycles of IUI then decided to go straight to IVF - with male factor infertility our chances were low with IUI but we're all different and you've got to find what's right for you

For anyone I've missed - sorry but am sending lots of :bluedust::pink-babydust:

AFM - had EPU yesterday and got 31 eggs - 25 of which were able to be ICSI'd. They rang us this morning and said that 23 have fertilised which is great news. On the down side I am at high risk of OHSS and have a low chance of being allowed to go ahead with a transfer on Fri/Sat so desperately desperately hoping we don't get cancelled and are able to go ahead. Anyone got any tips on how to help avoid OHSS - sustagen did somebody mention??

Goodluck everyone!

:dance: K MOND.. great news on the eggs hun i would try heaps of water ,i found this thread it may help with some good info ..

https://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums...imulation.html

Kmond : Wonderful results, water .. water ... water .. Best of luck for your ET

Thanks so much Smithy for the link - lots of helpful info there and WLAB - thank you thank you thank you! Will keep on drinking drinking drinking and hope for the best!
x

:hug: you are more than welcome hunny ,rest up and drink till you cant drink any more,then keep drinking lol..take care and let us know how your feeling in the morning ,ill be back to check hun

i just found this too hehehehe...
One downside of using fertility drugs to stimulate egg production is that they can have severe side effects. The most dangerous of these is ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome (OHSS).

This happens when the ovaries over-react in response to the fertility drugs, and rapidly swell up to several times their normal size. They can also leak fluid into the abdominal cavity.

If you are taking fertility drugs which carry a risk of OHSS, your clinic will monitor you closely. You should be given information on the warning signs to look out for, and an emergency number to phone if you think you are experiencing hyperstimulation.

Signs of OHSS include weight gain and a full, bloated feeling. Some women also have shortness of breath, dizziness, pelvic pain, nausea, and vomiting. It is vital that you seek medical help if you have any of these symptoms.

Mild symptoms can often be treated by drinking water whenever you’re thirsty, resting and taking painkillers. More severe cases may require admission to hospital for treatment and bed rest while your over-stimulated ovaries settle down.

Thanks KMond. We have decided we will have another attempt at IUI. :crossfingers: Maybe... hopefully we will be one of the lucky ones. I am on day 5 of my cycle so we picked up the drugs today and I had my first injection tonight.

:goodluck: with the rest of your IVF cycle.

:hello: ladies.... sorry i havent been in here much lately..... have just been lurking

BOC - ooooh :crossfingers: its all coming together for you .... best of luck for today..... let us know how it goes....... OUCH on the extra money you have to pay...... that really sucks

Kmond - great news on your eggs hun..... i really dont know anything about OHSS but just wanted to wish you lots of luck and hopefully doesnt happen to you... :crossfingers:

Hi and welcome Mitf....i think IVF is a huge step to take.... take all the time you need to thinkk about it then decide whether to do another IUI or IVF... i am going straight towars IVF as i didnt really like the sucess rate of IUI's

Pollyanna - hope AF turns up for you soon so you can get the ball rolling on your FET.. :rofl: @ your DH offering to pick it up with an eksi..... something my DP would totally ask to do too lmao

Ella'smum .... goodluck with your HSG... mine was also bulkbilled (actually i think i had to pay the gap which was $40 or so)

:hello: Smithy.... hope you are doing well hun

A big huge hello to everyone else i have missed... hope everyone is doing well

AFM: i had my nurses appt yesterday, which went fantastic (i love the ladies there..... they are all so nice) anyway i am on Lucrin which im so glad about as i've read horrible things about sniffing.... I didnt ask for lucrin but i just tlked to the nurse about the really bad hayfever i get and colds etc so she gave me Lucrin..... i had my first injection yesterday :)
ATM i cant bring myself to giving the lucrin so DP is doing it :D
So im just waiting for AF to come.... hopefully before the 29th as i have another nurses appt to get more drugs... then i have my scans and BT's

I'm hoping someone knows the answer to this..... but does this sound right to anyone...... i started the pill cd6 this month and asked the nurse when do i stop it...... she told me yesterday to stop now... it seemed pointless i was on the pill..... when does everyone else get told to stop the pill???

xox

Hi Everyone
Just been peaking in lately

KMond - well done on your eggs - GL

Mtif - GL with the IUI i hope it works for you. We had 2 IUI's both - BFN and thought about doing a third but our FS reccommends we go straight into IVF probably ICSI because of the male infertility factor. So I think that is what we will do - better chances for us.
I really hope you are a couple that it does work for GL

AFM - Im off to FS tomorrow to discuss where from here. Im a bit nervous but just want to get things rolling again.

Goodluck everyone. Thinking of all and :pray: for BFP's x

I am back I have been lurking and reading but not posting. Good luck to everyone in whatever part of your cycle you are in. Thinking of you all.

I had my 7th embryo transfer yesterday (my 3rd FET) and decided to tempt fate and put back 2. We aren't trying to get twins but instead increase our odds of getting one baby!! After the last year in our lives......... I think we could face anything ;)

As I left the FS said....it is all a game of numbers and also a bit of luck!! Ooh please let us be our time.
Now I start the dreaded 2WW...this is the bit that kills me, the waiting, the diagnosing, maybe I am?. or no I am not...ARGHHH!! Sorry for my rant but needed to vent and get some support from those who know what it is like.

Hi everybody

Just popping in for a quick :hello:

EPU went well yesterday. They took 18 eggs and 7 have fertilised and they're waiting on 2 more that weren't quite ready this morning. They also managed to freeze an extra 3 batches of DH's sperm which is good! ET is set for Monday. Still a bit sore and sorry but oh well it's all worth it hey.

Hope everyone else is doing wel, will BBL for personals!

Morning Ladies

Smithy - thanks for all the info - having been drinking so much water I am fit to burst - feels like if you're so bloated you should drink less not more but what would I know so I've been ploughing through the H20.

Mitf - another IUI sounds like a good plan - goodluck with those injections.

Nikki - all the best for this cycle. I started the pill on day 5 and took all of the 21 tabs and then started sniffing syneral about a week before I took the last pill. How many days have you taken the pill for?

Loops12 - hope your FS appointment went well and you're all set with a new plan of action.

Jodz - sending you all the luck in the world for your TWW. Sending you lots of positive vibes :goodluck::stickyvibesgirl::stickyvibesboy:

AFM - the lab rang this morning and said that of our 23 eggs they have frozen 8 and of the remaining 15 8 or 9 are coming along nicely:clap::) Been drinking water by the gallon, lots of protein, milk, nuts, gatorade and nothing but R&R in a desperate attempt to avoid getting cancelled due to OHSS. Feeling quietly optimistic as I don't have any other symptoms other than some fairly heavy duty bloating so :crossfingers: and:pray: we get to go ahead with transfer on Saturday.

Hope you are all having a good day.
x

Hi Girls,

Sorry I have been AWOL not too flash ATM.

MITF Another IUI should be great anything you can try is better than nothing.

NIKKI Good luck with this round.

LOOPS How did you go with the FS hope it is positive for you.

JODZ will see you over in the TWW hun.

AFM Great news on the embies hope they keep coming along nicely.

BOC Great news on your EPU hope they all settle into lovely little embies.

AFM I am currently supposed to be in the TWW but couldn't help popping over. Well we are on our own this month. Silly me so used to IVF and reporting to the nurses almost forgot 1st day of AF cause I didn't mark my calendar. Think it was around the 4th , so here we are all on our own in the TWW. I did say to hubby we will DTD in the TWW regardless because I wasn't going to stress this month about charting and POAS for ovulation just wanted to do it as per normal s to speak. So didn't want to miss an opportunity

I have a sinus infection which is just awesome, NOT, a little bloating after eating. The only other thing I feel is heavy boobs not sore just heavy as of yesterday and some occasional tightening in my lower belly. It seems to come and go, isn't painful but it can catch my breath if I am not expecting it.

I did do the funniest thing. Whilst I was at Dr for antibiotics he suggested we do a new count on DH since we haven't done one in a while. He thinks if it builds up enough on its own we can have a break from IVF and try on our own for a while. Anyway, DS has a microscope, nothing too flash but I decided to look at the little swimmers with my own eyes to see what I could see, and it was amazing. They are so tiny and just swim everywhere. It was cool to watch. Poor DH I just wanted to check for myself think I am lacking trust in people.

Anyway I hope everyone is doing well. And I will be back later.

hahaha sorry Rob but I couldn't help laughing at the thought of me and my dh checking out his swimmers under a microscope!!! GL with your natural cycle!!

GL to everyone else

AFM: lurking a lot at the moment as we are waiting for our day 21 appointment before we can start IVF.....just hanging around. I've really been focusing on my health, exercising etc. Doing whatever I can to increase the chances!!!!

Hi Everyone!

Sorry for being AWOL!!

BOC: We really are cycle twins!! Same day EPU! I love the name Mahli for a little girl too - thats why I used it!! How funny. Rest up for Monday - I hope DH is doing well too.

Kmond: What a result! I bet you were feeling uncomfortable before the EPU - I know I was. Have you heard yet about the transfer? I am so over drinking water!!


AFM: I had my EPU on Wed and I have been lying low because I have been in agony!! I had over 45 follicles and they got 16 viable eggs. They said that 14 were perfect for fertilization and they called yesterday to let me know that 11 have fertilized. I just got another call to let me know that the 11 are still doing well and are dividing perfectly!! I am in a far bit of pain though - lots of water and resting for the past 2 1/2 days!! Hopefully transfer on Monday but I will find out on Sunday.

Good Luck to everyone else & thanks for your thoughts and wishes

xxx Mahli xxx

Hi Everybody!

mahli: Good luck for the ET, hopefully we'll be :2ww:ers and :bfp:ers together too!

B2B: good luck! Bring on Day 21!

Rob: what great idea! wish we had a microscope!

KMond: :goodluck: with the embies and ET tomorrow!

AFM felt heaps better last night, but then woke up in agony this morning, bloated and sever bladder and bowel pains and rang clinic immediately totally freaking out thinking I had OHSS. I was lying curled up on the floor in pain and my sweet little furbaby thought I was wanting cuddles & kisses LOL bless her little heart. She hasn't left my side all morning and keeps coming over and resting her head on my leg. Clinic said it's ok, today was going to be my worst day. WIsh they'd told me that originally, I told my mum it was ok for her to go home yesterday and now I wish I hadn't! Have to go in for BT today just to get a base line for OHSS and have been ordered to keep taking panadeine every 4 hrs & stay in bed all day so currently cuddling up to my laptop LOL. DH the boofhead has gone back to work today (he thinks he's superhuman, even told the nurses he's a machine) but methinks he will be in pain by this afternoon. Unfortunately he's one that likes to learn the hard way LOL.

:pray: for you all wherever you may be. Still waiting for that BFP Bonanza over the next couple of weeks!

Rob - Thanks for asking about yestie - see below. GL with you natural TWW. LOL about the microscope - that would be every interesting.

KMond - thanks for thinking of me yestie - see below. Well done on your results - still great. :crossfingers:

BOC - well done on your eggs. GL Monday. Sorry about your pain.

Jodz - GL in TWW

B2B - GL with the IVF, hope you can get started very soon. Im doing the same going to really focus on health and fitness.

Mahli - Sorry your in pain, great about the 11 eggs though. GL on Monday.

Thinking of you all x

AFM - Yesterdays appointment with FS was ok - we are starting our first IVF round at the end of July.
I was a bit upset that I have to wait so long but at least I have a new house to keep me occupied I suppose.
I was upset because family and friends just really dont understand that I don't want to wait to long - they say it will happen, dont think about it so much etc. You guys know what its like and its just frustrating sometimes. Sorry to vent.

Loops12... I totally get your vent........been there done that! I still get told after 2 and 1/2 years of TTC#2 that maybe it will just hapeen I don't think so!!

BOC....I hope you can recover and that you haven't entered into OHSS territory :pray:

KMond...Good luck for Saturday

Mahli09... I hope you are feeling good for Monday.

To everyone else....I hope your in a happy place within your cycle ;)

AFM ... At 2dpt in 2ww and feeling nothing, just trying to keep myself busy, busy, busy and stop myself going mental :wall:

KMOND...:goodluck: tomorrow hun,.

to all you girls a big hello and keep pushing on were all goning to get bfp by the end of this year
3 CHEERS FOR US ...:cheer::bluecheer::cheer:
stay strong girls and to all of you with epu and et .,drink lots of water

Hi girls :D

jodz - GL with your 2WW! Hope it flies by.

Loops - hun I totally understand, the waiting is soooooo frustrating. I hate it when people say "Oh it's just another couple of months" - I'm like, hello I've been waiting years for this!!

BOC- hope you are feeling a little better by now. I have to say these stories are making me freak out a little about my 1st cycle! I'm such a bad patient when I am sick! Cute that your furry is looking after you - my two always know when I'm down and come over for a cuddle, belly rub and a lot of purring. They'll always be my first babies.

Mahli - hope you're also doing better!! Drink more water, hee hee!

Rob - GL with your natural cycle! I'm a scientist and it never ceases to amaze me the stuff you see down a microscope. Even after years, I still think it's cool ;)

KMond - sounds like you're doing really well! I must take note of all these post-EPU behaviours so I know what to do!!

AFM - 8 days down of estrogen, 13 to go. Then 7 days prog then jabbing. Feeling ok today, had AP last night which was awesome as always. Just want the next few weeks to pass so I can get into jabbing and scans and hopefully get some eggs!!

Thanks so much Smithy! We got the go ahead at 5pm tonight that my OHSS is okay to go ahead with the transfer, sooooo relieved that we can go ahead tomorrow morning! It must have been all that water.

Jodz - sending you lots of:stickyvibesboy::stickyvibesgirl: shall be seeing you in the TWW as of tomorrow

Loops12 - you sound v. disappointed about the delay :hug: but great that you've got a plan and something to look towards. Why is it that you have to wait until end of July?

BOC - so sorry you're not feeling so great. Hang in there. My bloating pain/discomfort definitely was the worse on day 4 after EPU and today day 5 I feel 100% better. I was so worried about getting cancelled due to OHSS and was so bloated I looked like I was 3 months pregnant but we got the okay. So hope you start to feel better soon.

Mahli09 - Great results :D:D fingers crossed that continues! Keep resting and drinking - I pretty much didn't leave the house for 5 days just took it really easy and feel like that's definitely helped. So good luck.

B2B - keep up the good work - all that good living can only help

Rob - all the best in the TWW!:goodluck:

Thanks for all the good wishes everyone - right back at you
x

Great news Kmond.:clap: All the best for tomorrow.

:clap:yep great news KMOND
glad you got the go ahead hunny ,have fun at your little embie transfer.:lol: GO THE WATER LOL..so this time tomorrow you will be PUPO ( pregnant until proven otherwise :dance:)

Hi All!

KMond: Great news!!! :goodluck: today!
Smithy: I love that one... PUPO... what a great concept and so true!
Mrs P: yep furrys rock! She's still here although getting a little adventurous and when I least expect it she tries to help me "type" LOL


AFM I did definitely develop OHSS although not too bad to cancel. The nurses said if I had been a Day 3 transfer they would have canned it but because I'm Day 5 ET they'll give me a couple of extra days to recover. I feel a lot better today, living off vegemite toast, water & Gatorade (was told to drink 2 bottles a day) I also put a bottle of water on my bedside table and every time I turned over during the night I took a gulp and I think that helped too. Our Day 3 embies are all good and vary b/t 6 & 8 cells which is great. Getting very excited about Monday.

Have rented a stack of DVDs to bide my time and also am about to pick all the pictures for our wedding album so that should keep me busy here in my recliner for a few days LOL

:goodluck: :crossfingers: and :pray: for everyone for the busy week ahead!

Jodz, Mrs P and KMond - thanks for understanding. GL with your jabbing and waiting etc and all the very best.
Im not as depressed today because your right at least I have a plan and will have things to do such as my new house to keep me occupied.
I have to wait until July because I am going to Sale (country town) so that I can continue to have Dr Mac T as my specialist. Also I would prefer to travel to Sale than Melb - they both take 2 hrs to get to.

Hope you are all well.