Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception April/May 2014

[PositivelyGTC]

Hi Ladies, wishing you all a lovely day

Following on from the posts above......my FS said you there is more success with a FET cycle, do you know why? in my mind fresh would be better but obviously not so just curious if anyone knows why this is

1more - I have given your situation some more thought too and having done the IUI and the IVF now I think I would prefer to go IVF if I was faced with your dilema. I feel with the IVF being able to freeze an egg gave us more of a chance, knowing that we had 2 healthy fertilized eggs to go with felt like more of a chance then just having the sperm placed inside but not knowing if anything was happening and going to come of it. But again this is such a personal decsiion only you know what is best for you and your family. GL hun

AFM - I obviously had the trigger last night and this morning I am noticing the mild cramps and bloating and tingly b**bs so I am going to try and remember exactly what this feels like so when it happens for real I know what it is and recognise it

Well Ladies wishing you all a lovely happy day, sending love & light to you all with sprinklings of baby dust xx

[thirdtimelucky77]

Positively your so funny! You make me lol in a good way - you so remind me of me! Are you a Capricorn by any chance? If you want to catch up let me know, sorry I haven't pm'd you, for some reason my PM's always go pear shaped, I'm in the western suburbs - where are you?

Regarding the fresh v frozen debate. My FS (who has been my gynae for 13 years) and delivered all my babies (including the twins, even though he had retired and is no longer an OB - so cool as he came along to assist my new OB) will not say frozen is better than fresh or vice a versa. My opinion is that your body has already been through so much with a fresh transfer... So perhaps giving your body a month to recover and then doing a FET helps? Not sure as I said, I've never had a fresh transfer? I do believe if it's going to happen, it will happen regardless of fresh or frozen - as long as they internal environment is right. This cycle I did everything I said I wouldnt - ran around like a headless chook, got no rest, ate crap (DH is an amazing cook but he's away), lifted the twins, I even jumped on the trampoline (moment of madness where I forgot about the transfer) I also had a hot bath on Saturday night (idiot).

As for the trigger - pretty exciting!! Just wait in a few days, or maybe even today you will look like your 6 months pregnant! That's the bit I hated... Seriously I couldn't do my jeans up! And my 12 year old asked if I was pg.... That trigger makes you so bloated it's not funny! But it goes away about 8 -9 days post trigger.... It's a bit disconcerting.

Good luck for your transfer! Do you know when it is yet? If you decide to POAS make sure you use a FRER - I wish had have! Could have saved myself a fair bit of unnecessary stress. Got a nice stronger line on a FRER this morning...

Have a great day ladies.... And I have everything crossed for those that are cycling or about to cycle.

[Joski]

Ooooooo so much happening in here - lots of movement.

I can't really add to fresh vs frozen debate as I don't have any experience in that area.

Had another bt this morning so am waiting for results - the bleed has stopped but given I am CD27 I doubt I have actually O'ed this cycle

[1 more please]

TTL so happy line is darker for you this morning you must be very happy and thank you so much for your reply I have already rang fs this morning and told her I will be in in a few
months for ivf and with dp away on and off for work will have to use frozen sperm but like you said if its ment to be it will I will fall pg xxx

PosGTC so exciting doing the trigger really hope this works and you get your bfp as well and thank you for replying I have decided to do ivf just very nervous about it xxx

Joski so happy the bleeding stopped, good luck with bt results xxx

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Juniper could you please put me down as waiting to do ivf, im thinking I will be able to do it around July so I have 3 months to lose some weight and start eating and drinking better ( I love soda). If anyone can think of something
I could take or do to to get ready for the ivf please let me know, now I have made my decision I'm really excited and nervous

[PositivelyGTC]

Hi again Ladies......as you can see my mind is not at work today!

TTL - Glad I can make you smile/laugh. I am a Leo not a typical one though. I live North but work in Subi on Roberts Road to be exact so yes we should catch up for a coffee if you are around, would like that! After reading what you said about the FET cycle I recall now asking my FS why and he said something along the lines of they think it's because your body goes through so much with an IVF cycle that it affectS the chances of a BFP. So what you are saying rings true and sure makes sense if you think about it.

I have a pair of pants on today and boy is that a big mistake im bursting at the seams...lol back to dresses and skirts i think. Ok so I have to expect that bloated feeling to lessen as the days go by? is that even if you are pregnant?
Oh yes transfer is Saturday not sure of the time apparently the embryologist will call on Friday before they start thawing and advise a time for Saturdays transfer.

I am just so pleased the FN said my levels were textbook and they couldn't ask for better at least the environment is perfect for a little embryo

Joski - man you must be super frustrated with your body at the mo', big hugs hun

1more - Well done on making your decision, i think you are doing the right thing. So normal to second guess your decision so dont fret too much. I would 100% suggest start taking Vitex now, it is the best all round herb for reproductive health however it takes a couple of months to start taking effect so hence the start now! I will private message you in this regard re good brands. GL with the eating and drinking better, try go for a walk at least 4 days a week so good for the body and soul

[juniper76]

Rai, I highly recommend trying acupuncture! The best time to start is 4 months before the IVF to maximise egg quality (and 3 months before if you want to send your hubby to maximise sperm quality!)!! I'd also start taking 600mg of CoQ10 now for egg quality too. Oh, and contradicting PGTC, I would NOT take vitex to prepare for IVF without a naturopath or TCM practitioner supervising the use. I tried it briefly (on the recommendation of my acupuncturist) and had unpleasant side effects. I don't think it agreed with my body...

3rdTL, glad to hear today's test was so much clearer! Congrats! FX for great numbers when you get your b/t!!

PositivelyGTC, when I got the BFP with DD (via IVF), I was super bloated until 10wks. It disappeared a few days after trigger, but came back around 10dpo... I needed maternity pants right from the beginning...

[worrywart]

TTL, congratulations!! Wonderful news. Wishing you HnH 9 months.

1more, seconding jupiter's advice re acupuncture. I also take Chinese herbs as does DH. Statistics are behind acupuncture in relation to IVF success rates too. They are doing a further study on it at MIVF.

PosGTC, keeping fingers crossed for your cycle.

WW

[juniper76]

my FS said you there is more success with a FET cycle, do you know why?

Sorry, I missed this earlier. The idea behind the better success rates with FET is that your body hasn't been through the stress of stimming (which can cause some inflammation-like effects) and the environment is therefore more favourable for implantation. This has really only come about since the freezing techniques improved (when we were doing our first FET in 2008, the FET success rate was much lower than for fresh cycles). If you have plenty of embryos, I think it's worth considering. But for someone like me with few embryos (we only had 2 by day 2 last time), it's not generally a good option because you will typically lose some during the thawing process.

[twollamas]

Naw, thank you all for the lovely welcome! I've been reading through and am really struck by how supportive and positive overall you all are while going through crappy stuff - I really hope no one has to wait too much longer for their much wanted bubbas!

Thirdtimelucky - we're trying naturally for now. In the 2ww at the moment, but if there's no luck this time we're going to see a fs (hubby's been reluctant to go so far, but I think it's starting to really bother him now too, so he's agreed to get some help ). It's been a tricky decision as we've managed to get preg a couple of times, but haven't been able to keep them, so ob has taken the 'just keep trying' approach. I'm getting impatient now!

xx

[juniper76]

3rdTL, if your AMH is high, I doubt you have anything to worry about. My AMH, on the other hand, is worse than your friend's. Mine was 1.5 back in June 2012 (at 36yo) and is probably well below 1 by now. I have no family history of early menopause, so the most likely culprit is my endometriosis (causing damage to my ovaries and compromising my eggs).

[PositivelyGTC]

Hi Ladies, Happy Monday to all

Joski - awesome news re the O'ing as TTL says with all the bding you have been doing whilst waiting there would be thousands of sperm waiting t pounce on your egg/s. GL hun

Twollamas - Hi and welcome to the forum, wishing you a happy but short stay with us. So glad you and DH have decided to see a FS we waited thinking it would just happen naturally and now I could kick our backsides for waiting. Once we finally went to see our GP for a referral she then insisted we wait 12 months before she would give us a referral. In frustration and anger we went and saw another GP who made us wait 6 months when considering we had been trying for almost 3 years at that point really hurt. But we got there in the end but still waiting on the BFP

Juniper - I thought of you over the weekend I knew you had an embie that never survived a thaw and thought how crap I was feeling and knew that is exactly how you would have felt too. It's a different kind of hurt to dong a transfer and finding out its a BFN. You are so strong!! GL this cycle x

Miss B - You made me smile I can only imagine how frustrated you must feel for me the shoe seems to be on the other foot. It would be interesting for sure to see if you jumped some guys bones if you would rather quickly get a BFP, damn why are things so complicated at times hey

TTL - Hope you are well hun, hope you are still on cloud 9 and enjoying your BFP. When do you leave for your holiday? meant to say wow you have a pretty amazing ex to have such a wonderful involvement with your family, that's pretty special

Thank you all for your kind words you are all so sweet and dear!
I have had a few good cries DH has been a super star and just held me tight while I cried and encouraged me to let it all out. I do feel so much better for it. I am seeing my Naturopath on Saturday whilst we were on the last break I started taking some herbs which I am pretty sure she said would increase me egg quality so going to chat to her and see what else she suggest before we try again. Started taking the C0Q10 on Saturday
I am determined to get my BFP, i just want one surely that is not to much to ask for!!

Ok let me stop blabbing, you guys take care
Love & light and best of luck to all , sprinkling baby dust on all in the forum xx

[PositivelyGTC]

Sorry Ladies just a quick question......how many days does it take for the Ovidril trigger to leave your system?

[juniper76]

PositivelyGTC, our situation was slightly different. We did once have an embie not survive the thaw, but we had two to thaw that cycle. The time our transfer was cancelled was actually a fresh cycle - we had 6 embies, so we tried for a 5dt and none made it to transfer... Adding insult to injury, it was December and AF showed up on Christmas Eve... It was our next stim cycle (2dt) that gave us DD, so we went from one extreme to the other from one stim cycle to the next!
For the ovidrel, it varies from woman to woman - you're generally looking at 10-14 days from trigger, although some women metabolise it even faster or slower than those times...

BTW, Joski, let me know which day is O day if you want it on the list.