Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception - August 2007

Hi Holly,

Are you able to point me to the previous threads on natural therapies that you mentioned?

Thank You.

Chez - Yep!!! Dan's B'day is the 13th of August, spot on! It's getting soooooo exciting in here, lots of lovely ladies in the TWW or not far off ... I'm praying like mad (and that's the honest truth, I go to prayers every day) that this is it for all of you, and you'll all be in the due threads really soon!!!

Megan - I honestly don't know what to say darl ... you must be gutted .... :hug: . All I can say is that in my deep pits of despair, one thought kept me going, each cycle that fails is one more clue to the puzzle, and one step closer to creating the cycle that works. I know that's not what you want to hear when your heart's on the floor, but it's the honest truth.

Rols - My wonderful fellow two header ;) .... it's sooo nice to see you're trucking along well with this cycle, and I'm glad that this cycle hasn't been too hard on yourself and your beautiful lady wife ... I'm also praying like mad this cycle is all you need too ... a wonderful couple like you deserves wonderful things happening to you.

Alicat - WOW!!! 4 ready to go!!! You must be so excited ... can't wait to see how it all went ... I'm sure you'll be as happy as a "box of birds" (sorry Rols, couldn't resist ;) )

Kerri - Welcome! I'm a bit of a "fake" ... went for our first IVF appointment preggers! lol! But all the ladies in here (and the rest of the forum) are wonderful and can give you all the love, support, advice you need!!

Ali, I hope transfer went well this morning :) Please, no feelings of guilt. We are all going through the same thing, and it's not easy to get to where you are so you definitely deserve the good news....and the BFP that I have my fingers crossed is just around the corner! ;)

Lou, bugger about no transfer! I have to say, I have never had a + on one of those OPK's they make you buy there. The 2 FET's I attempted involved me doing those for 5 days and then I did BT's for a few days before getting a + (I seem to O late, but they don't listen to me....what would I know?) At least you are sounding positive and happy at the moment. Hoping the NP does you wonders. :) I have been meaning to PM you for the last week....will get on to that after this!

BG, a BT 22 days post ovulation....that's just plain cruel! lol I think I would be reaching for the pee sticks myself, but I can understand why you would be cautious.

Chez, your TWW has flown by! Well at least for me it has! lol I hope the crinone continues to be nice to you. Awful stuff that is.
This is so exciting, it's good to have a few in the TWW at the moment (or 3WW for BG). We've also had a few newies in here recently....I think that means it's time for a clean out! ;)

Today DH & I went to the movies (The Simpsons :rolleyes:). Half way through I felt my phone vibrating in my bag, realised it was the clinic so left to take the call. It was my nurse telling me that she had spoken to my FS yesterday and he was happy for me to go again straight away without seeing him and had written up all the meds/protocol for her. WTF?? Does he think I don't want any answers, or the opportunity to ask him if he is going to do anything differently? Why would I go straight into another cycle without seeing him? I really like my FS, but this just really made me angry. Now I'm worried I will get in there on Thursday and not find out anything and it will be a waste because I will forget what I want to say. I will be going by myself as DH will be at work. He's had so much time off lately so I don't want him to stress out about asking for more. My nurse said that I don't even need to have the month break, I can just go again in two weeks when AF arrives. My head is so jumbled with stuff at the moment, and I am starting to get worked up about an appt that is still 5 days away.

Megan,

this is not necessarily a bad thing, and from what I know of FSs, he probably thinks he's helping you. Honestly, when you have a quiet moment, sort out your thoughst and write them all down. Every question you can think of, even if it sounds silly. Then, armed with the issues you wish to discuss, insist your FS sees you to discuss them before your AF arrives.

Good luck!

Hi Megan

Sushee's words of advice are pure wisdom as always :D

When I didn't go to transfer last cycle I was devastated and just wanted lots of answers. I took my string of questions into my next FS appointment only to find that they didn't know why the egg didn't fertilise - and even DF's SA was incomplete as they didn't do a morphology test, which is the area that he has some issues. So I felt we were no closer to an answer. The only saving grace was that she put me on a flare cycle and once I got that underway I started to feel more positive again - because it wasn't the long stim cycle and because I had put DF on mult-vits and the chinese herbs. Anyway, we got to transfer, so something worked differently this time around; we may never know what!

It seems that the doctors don't always know why things happen either, and sometimes just trying again is their only option. I wish you the best of luck with your FS appointment and truly hope that he is able to give you the answers you need.
Take care hun,
Cherylxxx

Thanks for checking up on me Chez and Rols...it goes without saying that i am constantly checking up on you all too.

Love your av Chez...aren't our DH's good looking men!!! And looks like they shop in the the same store!! ;)

Megan...my FS saw me about 2 weeks after we had a bad cycle, but had already told me i could start the pill to do another cycle back-to-back too. I really wanted answers and really wanted to see him before hand...but DH sort of eased my fears and convinced me to at least start the pill again and then i could always stop if the FS appointment brought anything up that made us want to stop. In the end the FS appt did not give us the answers we so desperately wanted, (that seems to be a common theme!) but we did get to talk about it all at length, and we did feel a bit better.

I know i haven't been any help, but, although it was terribly nerve wracking doing another stim cycle straight after a bad one I actually felt better in the end that i was doing something, and didn't have to wait another 30 days.

Good luck Megan, and to everyone else as well.
Jo

Great news Ali, well done.

There seems to be a lot of action on here at the moment - several people in the TWW or ready to transfer. Good luck.

Megan, if it can be arranged, I think it would be a good idea to ask the questions you have regardless of whether you are jumping straight abck in or not As Kotare said, they may not have the answers, but talking things over will surely help.

Hi Diva, thanks for your nice words. Yep so far so good. Nothing to report. I think DW is about to get AF having come off the pill on Thursday. Nurse said it didn't matter whether AF came or not which I find weid, but there you go. I've been keeping up with your progress on the PALTTTC thread as well.

Thanks everyone for your thoughts. I completely agree with all of you.
DH & I went out to dinner tonight and had a lengthy discussion about what we're going to do next. I will definitely be keeping my appt with my FS next Thursday. Even if I don't get any answers, I think I will be better off going to it than not. I would at least like to discuss with him the plans for my next cycle. If he wants us to do ICSI & do we still have to do a long-winded down reg cycle? I also want to discuss with him having 2 embryos put back if we manage to get to that stage this time. DH has always been for this, and I have been against it and have come around the last couple of months. We will be going into our 5th cycle, and although we have only gone to transfer twice, it all still costs a lot of money. We can't do it forever. It is such a strain financially and emotionally. DH refers to transferring 2 embies as the 2 for 1 deal :rolleyes:. My FS unfortunately is against it apart from his older patients. So, I guess I have to come up with a good argument for him. Funny though, my first ever appt with him he seemed all for it.
DH revealed tonight that he thinks this failed cycle is his fault. His illness, all his painkillers and drugs he was on while in hospital. It definitely did effect his sample on Wednesday because they had trouble getting enough, but it upsets me that he feels he is to blame for this. We have been under so much stress in the last 6 weeks or so that it could have been a number of reasons. I guess I'm feeling a bit clearer after our chat and night out, and it's not as important that I find out why, but more important to find out how we are going to move forward and how my FS is going to get me a BFP!

hello everybody!!!

i have been in hiding since thursday for 2 reasons. we are having our house appraisal the beginning of this week so the house is going under a mini makeover! i have painted skirtings, doors and frames, hallway master bedroom and today is laundry and toilet. plus emptied out each bedrooom and the study to just the bare necessities to make rooms look larger. cant believe how much cr@p i have collected since last clean up..... so i havent had time to come and chat. im up at six and going to bed at 11...all since thursday

i had my bloods on thursday and got bad news. this cycle has been cancelled as i didnt ovulate. so next round is bloods, ultrasound and apparently a trigger injection to start ovulation. i was a bit like WTF????

im just surprised as i didnt expect IVF to be easy but i thought the drugs would be the hardest part, but now that seemed so easy. i read everyones stories and cry with you and wonder how i would cope and now its happening to me.

*low reaction to drugs - on them for almost 2 months.
* failed first cycle - with depression after
*early miscarriage
*and now cancelled cycle

sorry about the whinge- i have two gorgeous boys which is much more than some people get, but my heart is pining for my number 3 bubs!!!

oh well maybe next month..

Ellie - thanx for PM. so excited for you, cant wait to see how it all is going tomorrow.... and hopefully as your finishing your TWW i will be entering it....

Rols - your wealth of knowledge, common sense and just good ole humour is inspirational!!

wow! gone for 4 days and there are 3 new arrivals !! hello girls heres hoping you all get a BFP in the near future

welcome back Sushee - are you going to post some photos of your hols?

BG and BW - my mentors... how are you girls going?

hi sonya - i'm so sorry to hear that your body didn't play the game this time around - it's so frustrating when the seeming simple things just don't come together - i'm so happy though that your FS has a plan in place for next month so that you can avoid this heartache happening again

as for me, i'm just waiting - it's that thing we seem to get so good at through this whole journey. at the moment i'm in the TWW - wednesday is day 14 - i'm not sure whether the IUI has taken or not - some days everything seems to be going fine side effect wise - then the next day, nothing (well,not nothing really - i've had constantly sore/itchy/hypersensitive bb's since about day 4 or 5) - guess time will tell. i'm not particularly stressed at the moment - which is very unusual for me - and i'm not sure if thats a good thing or not!

:D I'm doing really well, Sonya, thank you for asking. I'm sorry to hear that your cycle has been cancelled, do you think they gave you long enough to ovulate or made the decision too early? Hopefully the next one will run a little easier for you.

The week coming up is a week of appointments - GP on Monday to discuss my depression and anxiety and pick up a referral to see Dr S, which happens on Wednesday.

I'm still not really ready to go back and start again, but I don't think it will be too much longer. DH and I have talked about a lot of stuff, our marriage is stronger than ever and we are probably happier than we've ever been. Kind of ironic that it took IVF and a miscarriage to make that happen, but the important thing is that it has happened.

Anyway, I'm sitting here with a smile on my face and I'm in love with life and enjoying myself again. And if my FS hadn't been so horrible to me on Wednesday, this would never have happened. Going to seem a little odd taking the letter from my FS to my GP, because I'm simply not in that place any more.

Megan, try not to let your DH blame himself. You both had so much going on during this cycle, and to let him blame himself for things not working is to imply that he took a deliberate action to make things not work and that's simply not true. :hug: Hopefully next time...

Rols, I'm glad to hear that your DW is doing well. It's amazing how the things we see as messing things up (bleeding at the wrong time and not bleeding when you're supposed to) really don't matter to IVF. Strange, but true.

BG, less stress is always a good thing, regardless of the reason why.

:hello: to everyone else. :D Today really is a wonderful day!

BW

Sonya - sounds like you have been a buzy bee! Sorry to hear that things did not go well for you this time. Hoping next month is the month for you.

BW - It was nice to read how this experience has brought you & DH closer & that you are happier than before. Wishing you all the best for your appointments this week.

Megan - I too would want answers so good on you for keeping your appointment. As some of the others said ask whatever questions you want - you deserve to get answers.

Me - since Friday only two of the four embies had progressed to the next stage so I had one transferred & one frozen. Had my first Pregynl injection last night & somehow managed to shatter the top of the vial as I opened it. I was so worried that glass would have gone in the liquid but DH assured my that the syringe was all clear. Can't wait to do the next one in a couple of days...NOT. So now I am officially in the TWW - I am a mixture of emotions at the moment but trying to stay positive & as relaxed as I can.

BG & Chez...see you in the TWW thread.

Hi to Rols, Sushee, Diva, Kerri, Ellie, Nic, Holly, Lou, Mel, Blizzy & anyone else I have missed

Hi all

well i will try to catch up with all the news as best i can

BW- GL with your appointment with DR S, he emailed me the other week to make my appointment but ive been a little slack and have decided to go the NP route for now and sticking to it this time.lol So happy to hear that you are feeling well.

BG - hows the 3ww haning for you/??have you caved in yet??

Holly - sorry i havent phoned will try to call you when im in the office at work. im sorry that this cycle wasnt the one - has Ant been to see you yet??

Megan - all in the pm hope that helps xx

BBl just have friends pop in xx

hiya loula! 3ww is driving me nuts - i'm 11 days in, and starting to think things aren't looking great. most of the symptoms i've been feeling have eased off apart from sensitive bb's, so i'm thinking it might not have worked. i guess i'm reluctant to POAS just yet cos i don't want to see another BFN. i'll leave it a few more days and see how things are tracking.

glad to have you pop in and hope the NP things are going well for you. the break from metformin must be bliss! 16 weeks of detox is pretty full on, but if it gets you to that much awaited BFP, it's such a small amount of time.

take care hun

Hi everyone, so much happening!!
BW- i hope you have a good appt with yout GP today. I am glad you are doing a little better :)
BG- how is the 2ww going??? Wow, already 14 days this week, and then still another week to go? Phew, id be anxious anxious, when do you think you will POAT? Maybe if you wait til after Wed. How exciting, i hope you get a BFP.
Megan- im glad that you are going to see your FS this week. Understandably you have lots of questions for your FS, stuff you need to have answered before your next cycle. Hope it all goes ok. Im in mid cycle at mom, and wondering if we get two embryos, whether they might just be able to transfer both because we are moving, and well it will be a hassle living in a diff state and still having embys here. Hmm. Not sure what happens there...but going to ask about 2, but maybe we wont even get any... I get too far ahead sometimes!! Im sorry DH is blaming himself :( you guys have been through a lot, i hope everything goes well this week for you both.
Sonya, sorry your cycle was cancelled, that really sucks :( Hope all things go better for your next cycle. Hey and good luck with your house appraisal. How fun!
Alicat- good luck with your 2ww- :stickyvibesgirl: You have lots of people in the 2ww with you which is great, lots of support.
Rols- hope DW is well and the injections are still going well. When do they think EPU might be?
Hi Chez, Diva, Kotare and Kerri and Sushee.
Well, today is day 6 of Gonal F. Not feeling all that different. First bloods on Wed, and i am guessing maybe an u/s on Fri. I am hoping to get a couple more days of injections this time....maybe more eggs..i hope.
Everyone, hope you have great days :)
Mel

Sonya, sorry to see your cycle is off this time around. The main thing is there is already a plan of action for you with regard to where you are headed next. As many of the ladies have said, each cycle (or part thereof!) helps to gain more knowledge of how your body is working and provides the FS with more information to help you and DH get a BFP. I can appreciate you'd be feeling a bit glum with these hiccups you've had but I reckon you'll start to feel better once everything is rolling along again. Good luck with all the house stuff too.

Ali, when I was practicing the drug admin. stuff at our nurse's appointment I broke the bloody glass vial too. This was straight after the nurse had told me how blokes often break the fragile glass because they squeeze too hard and are like bulls at a gate which was pretty fitting I thought. Anyway, you needn't worry - the needles are too fine to be able to draw up a glass fragment.

BW, glad to see you've had a lift.

BG, hope you're keeping sane and the BBs are manageable. DW has been in the same boat lately for some reason.

Hi to everyone else.

DW had her first in-cycle BT today and results were good (as in her levels are flat). So Puregon starts tonight and next BT is on Friday. We also paid for it today which just sucks so massively. As DW pointed out last night, there's a couple of airfares to Europe in there. Can't wait for the rebate.

I've got the worst cold in the history of the human race. Yesterday, I tried to warn DW that I could die at any moment and therefore she really should be much nicer to me. She told me I was a male illness stereotype.

Sorry to hear you are unwell, Rols, although I suspect that your wife is correct and you're just being a typical bloke about it! :p Seriously, there seems to be some nasty bugs running around at the moment - I hope you are clear of it very soon.

Feeling so incredibly tired today. I ran out of my meds last night and as a result didn't sleep well. Compounded by the fact that DH decided to snore all flipping night long... Saw my GP today and got myself a mental health plan, a referral to a psychologist, the referral to see Dr S, a prescription for more arthritis drugs and a prescription for my new super-increased dosage of AD meds! I've never had my hands so full when I've left a GP before! But I am feeling that I am well on the path back to being recovered mentally.

Sorry for no personals - just too tired right now, you might get more later.

BW

Lou - Hope the NP works wonders for you :) Sorry that you didn't get too transfer.

Megan, glad to hear that you and your DH had a night out and debrief on this cycle. Hope you get some clear answers from your next FS visit.

Ali - Hope the TWW treats you well with a nice little surprise at the end :)

happymel - goodluck with b/t on wednesday.

Rols - I had a laugh at your DW's comments about you being a 'male illness sterotype' Both DD and I came down with it last week, and knocked us both around pretty good, hope you are feeling much better today.

BW - Good to hear that you are back on the recovery path :)

Big hi to everyone else that I missed. Not a lot happening here, still sniffing, have about 6 weeks to go! going for the 200klm drive to get our tax done this Friday and will get myself another bottle of the sniffy stuff. Finally got off my behind and sent a cheque off the QFG for our admin fee ( I have been ultra slack lately!)

Nic