Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception August 2013

Jasmine - I do Acupunture too with this cycle I had a session a day before IUI, then one two days later, last week I had two sessions and I have another tomorrow....all to do with helping fertilized egg implant and for stress relief.
I love going it really helps me to relax, i usually fall asleep which is wonderful

Re my meds for this IUI

CD 3 - 11 Gonal F 37.5
CD 11 - Ovidril 250
CD 15 - Ovidril 6 clicks
CD 18 - Ovidril 6 clicks
CD 20 - Ovidril 6 clicks
CD 19 onwards - progesterone pessaries

I usually have a 12 day Luteal phase so I beleive that's why I am on the pessaries

Thanks Juniper. I might test on the weekend to see if the trigger is gone (or almost gone).

PositivelyTTC- Yep the HCG (ovidrel) and pessaries are both great leutal phase support and should prevent any early bleeding. Are you going to POAS or wait it out till BT?

Just a quick post to say progesterone pessaries, crinone, pregnyl, etc will not necessarily stop bleeding. Many women on this forum have experienced bleeding while on luteal support, myself included several times.

I am seriously thinking of POAS on Saturday morning before going in for the BT

I should probably wait but the suspense will kill me so bugger it and I have two tests in the bathroom so they may as well get used

It was my bday on Sunday so I am praying for a BFP as a late bday pressie :pray:

Hope everyone is going well and we can add some BFP to this month very soon!

AFM - I am on a natural cycle and have been using OPK'S since CD8, I am now CD14 and got a faint test line this afternoon, should I test agin tonight or wait until morning? I was starting to worry nothing was going to happen :(

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Just a quick post to say progesterone pessaries, crinone, pregnyl, etc will not necessarily stop bleeding. Many women on this forum have experienced bleeding while on luteal support, myself included several times.

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Agreed. The pregnyl has always delayed AF for me, but the progesterone certainly doesn't. I had AF show up early after our first IVF (just 2x crinone daily for luteal support). Even after last year's natural FET, AF showed up a day early (for no apparent reason!) in spite of me using 2x 200mg progesterone pessaries daily.

Kel, if you think you could possibly get the positive tonight, then there's no harm in testing again. I usually start testing at least twice per day once the line starts to darken, and 3 times per day if the tests are getting close to positive.

Thanks PositivelyTTC . Happy belated birthday for last Sunday! I hope that you'll get a BFP for your late birthday pressie.

Jasmine, I only do the trigger shot just before EPU so then I wait around 10 days later to start testing. Honestly, I have been 'known' to start testing as early as 2 to 3 days post transfers :redface:(especially in my last 2 cycles) just to watch the trigger go out of my system and the line to start appearing (IF it's going to make an appearance). I don't understand why some women get several trigger shots....especially I don't understand the ones post EPU, what are they for? Sorry for stupid questions. My good friend had 3 trigger shots, I never understood why 3.

Kel, GL with your natural cycle hun :)

N2L, I hate O pains, somethimes they are as strong as AF for me, very annoying...

AFM, the nurse told me to increase my progynova tabs from 3 to 5 daily, in an effort to thicken up my lining. She is hoping the follicle is an 'inactive' one and that by next scan which will be next Monday, it wouldn't have grown in size. If that's the case, I will have a transfer next week Friday. IF the follicle is active and grows, the cycle will be most probably cancelled.

Miss B good luck for a good result on Monday Hun!

Miss B - my hrt cycle they didn't do a scan till day 13 and I was only 6.3mm. A week later my lining was thinner at 5.7mm do I was put on 6 progynova a day & estrogen patches every 2nd day. I stated on that for another 2 weeks till my lining was ok then had a week of progesterone before transfer. Remember they are manipulating your cycle so it can take weeks for your lining to get to a good thickness.They never checked if I had any follicles. I hope your next scan brings good news.

N2l & positively ttc - last cycle I had stabbing pains on my right side in luteal phase. Had ultrasound & they told me it was my corpus luteal cyst. They also told me I was pregnant & I wasn't it was just a pseudo sac in my uterus. Te pains went away after 4 days.

I'm just waiting till Thursday - have bt (no scan yet too early for me). My estrogen was high at baseline bloods so guessing they checking on that?

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Just a quick post to say progesterone pessaries, crinone, pregnyl, etc will not necessarily stop bleeding. Many women on this forum have experienced bleeding while on luteal support, myself included several times.

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Me too.... I always bleed with crinone... But injections with pregnyl I don't.

Juniper, I forgot to say that I think it's great that you're cutting down on sugar. I think every single little bit helps!

Beau, thanks for that hun :) I hope the lining doesn't take too long to thicken up! I was wondering why the lady was zoning in on this suspicious black lump (which I dreaded was a fibroid) it was a bloody follie! I just hope it's an inactive one so we don't have to worry about it. FX for next Monday hey, and FX for your BT on Thursday :crossfingers:

Hi to everyone too!

Speaking of bleeding... Ugh, looks like tomorrow will be CD1... I'm having some wine. It's my new sugar, but easier to quit. ;)

Oh bugger Juniper :(, but wine is allowed!

Ok so I tested again last night and the line was still faint, I tested again this morning and it is darker and I am pretty sure it is the same colour as the control line!!! So I will test again this afternoon but I am pretty certain we will be pulling out the "do not disturb" signs for tonight and tomorrow while we make a baby!!! :). So if my positive reading is today does that make O day tomorrow??

Bugger Juniper!

Good luck Kel!!!

AFM- I've been added to the surgery wait list for my lap and hysto.
Should have it done within 3 months.... Until then- I guess I just hang around.

Great news Kel! I am not 100% sure about the timing of O from the positive OPK's, I have never been able to have them work, but I would get busy for the next day or two :)

Sorry to hear Juniper, I almost wish I was in your boat, I have been like clockwork since being on clomid and the one cycle I want af to arrive it is not......Boo, I want to get started on this cycle and I am stuck waiting for a witch :( I would enjoy your wine though and good for you for making diet changes, every little bit helps along the way.

Miss B. I hope your lining starts behaving and your follie turns out to be inconsequential.

Good Luck for tomorrow my turn, you must be so excited for another tx.

Hi to everyone else!

Wednesday 7th August 2013 :o

Waiting for EPU/O/IUI/FET or just something to happen!
Curtysgirl - taking a break
JoeSpratt - taking a break
CatyO - taking a break
Bestrong - taking a break
Bunnyfeet - taking a break
Ceejelz - ???
Sarah4Kurt - ???
Juniper - CD1
Beau30 - CD8
Miss B - CD11
Kel82 - CD15
Myturn - CD19
Williever - CD27
Mrs O'M - CD28
Emma - CD28
Awesty - CD54


Waiting for Transfer


Hanging out in the TWW (Stalk them here....LTTTC Two Week Wait 2013 # 3)
Jasmine00 - CD29 2dp5dt
N2L - CD33 11dpo
PositivelyTTC - CD25 13dpo


Got Their BFP in August :confetti:
Glorious - 31/7 hCG 313 @18dpo

M.I.A. - We'd love to hear from you!
Becnxavi, Shellbell, Jo_white


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Kel, I've always assumed 24 hours after the darkest OPK.

Emma, FX the time passes quickly.

Afm, I'm starting to worry about this trend of shorter cycles. I've had a 32 day cycle my entire life and suddenly I'm getting 30, 29, 28 and now 27 days. I desperately hope it's just because of the medicated cycles we've done recently, but I'm worried it's the beginning of the end... :cry:

Good morning Ladies,

Another day has dawned which brings with it new hope

Juniper - dont read too much in to the shorter cycles likely it's just the med's when you see women in their mid to late 40's having babies there is always hope for us. Oh what I would do for a glass of red wine!!

Kel - when we have used the OPK as soon as I see the line is the same as the control line we go for it for at least 3 days, every bit has to help

MissB - all the best hope that lining starts to thicken up beautifully for you and that folli does as it should - i know this probably sounds a little weird but seriously find some quiet time and talk to your body tell it and visualise as you do what you want it to do. Our minds are stronger than we think if you think it long and hard enough your body can and will respond. Look at Circle + Bloom website for more on this mind body relationship I started using it this cycle and love it

Myturn - GL for tomorrow, all the very best

AFM - cramping I had yesterday is gone, feel heavy and full below though and lower backache. Usually I am Miss moody days before AF however I feel really good, i feel on top of the world and no chocolate cravings either. Officially my TTW ends tomorrow I counted and have 4 POAS tests at home so tempted to do one tomorrow but also so afraid so not sure will see tomorrow morning. Have an Acupunture appt this evening

Wishing you all a lovely day and GL with whatever you are doing and wherever you are in your cycle

Juniper- Hope you enjoyed your wine last night. I have no idea about shorter cycles... But I'm much the same, if I'm not on a medicated cycle I'm lucky to get 3 weeks between periods.

MissB- The HCG injections after EPU / Ovulation are not 'trigger' injections.. They are like a booster injection. According to my FS they support the Corpus Luteal cyst left on your ovary after O and therefor help increase progesterone. I am apparently having them along with the Provera, Crinone and pessaries to try and prevent early bleeding.
I'm crossing everything that the increased dose of Progynova helps thicken your lining. I wonder why they cancel your cycle if it's an active follie on your ovary? Clinics are so different cause this FET cycle my FS was trying to encourage my ovaries to produce at least one follie. But I guess different FS's have different ways of doing things. Anyway praying like mad for you honey!

Beau- GL with your BT tomorrow.. I'm praying that your lining is thickening up nicely too!

MyTurn- One more sleep till tx.. You must be getting pretty excited to have your snowflake on board.

MrsOM- Don't you hate it when the only time the witch is late is when your willing her to arrive!

PositivelyTTC- How are you sweetie? Hope the cramps have calmed down.

N2L- How are you feeling? Hope your cramps are easing too.

Kel- My understanding is that you O a day or so after the surge. I would be BD for the next few days just to be sure.

AFM- Started getting some light cramps this morning but nothing too bad and still no bleeding. Effects of my massive amounts of Progesterone are well and truly kicking in. POAS this morning in an attempt to 'test out' the Pregnyl. There is obviously a second line but no where near as dark as the control line. Think I will do another tomorrow as it should be lighter and then I will test again next week before my BT. I know I'm naughty for testing early but I know by next week I will be dying to be put out of my misery.. If its a BFN I would rather just know and deal with it than anxiously wait for the clinic to call!!

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Juniper - dont read too much in to the shorter cycles likely it's just the med's when you see women in their mid to late 40's having babies there is always hope for us.

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Thanks, but unfortunately, with my DOR, I have the ovaries of a woman in her late 40's and early menopause is a very real threat... :(

The thing about women that age conceiving is that it is the strong exception, not the rule.

I saw a FS last week who said the average 42 year old has a 1-2 percent chance per cycle of getting UTD. IVF raises it to five per cent.

Sucks basically :(

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The thing about women that age conceiving is that it is the strong exception, not the rule.

I saw a FS last week who said the average 42 year old has a 1-2 percent chance per cycle of getting UTD. IVF raises it to five per cent.

Sucks basically :(

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And there's that, as well... And I think the live birth rate is even lower than the 1-2%?

I'm sure you're right Juniper :(

And yet my stupid heart won't give up....

You've got to be in it to win it...

Lol. True. I've just been in it for far too long :p

I know the feeling...

I'm sorry about what I said before (about the birth rate). I'm feeling very pessimistic right now and I shouldn't spread that negativity to the rest of the group. I should have kept it to myself. I hope I didn't upset anyone.

Well you know me. I think a healthy dose of realism is a good thing. IVF is often peddled as the ultimate answer to infertility. Sad truth is, while you don't hear much about it, for many it simply doesn't work.

Hi everyone,

My name is Sabrina. DH and I have been TTC for the past 2 and a bit years. Our doctor wanted to refer us to a fertility specialist after our first 12 months because DH has a lowered sperm count. Still 10 million but he is about 50% mobility. DH blew a gasket about going to a specialist yet so we have just been temping and POAS and putting up with irregular cycles for the last 12 months since we found out. Anyways I though we had it last month when I started feeling nausea about 10DPO but unfortunately AF showed yesterday so CD2 today and now we play the waiting game. So I ordered some OPK off Ebay so I am all read for this new month however I will be away in Sydney without DH around our O time :wall: but will see what happens!

We are considering IVF next year but I don't know much about it. So any information would be soooo helpful :)

Sabrina

Welcome Sab, everyone in here is a wealth of knowledge and support, you have come to the right place!

Juniper, sorry to hear AF arrived! It is only natural to feel pessimistic sometimes along the way so don't apologise :(

Thanks everyone for your advice on the OPK'S, this afternoons test was a little lighter than this morning so I am going to count tomorrow as O day! Hubby get ready here I come!! Hehe :happydance:

My cramps have picked up in intensity.. They are getting quite bad now. This is exactly how I felt during my last FET right before I started bleeding... And exactly the same timeframe too at 2 dpt. I'm scared. I'm not ready for it to be over yet :cry:

Jasmine, have you called your FS about it? Given what happened last time, I'd be bringing it to their attention. I've got everything crossed that you will have a very different outcome this time. :crossfingers:

Sab, hi and welcome! Sorry to hear your DH is being so stubborn. Mine has been fairly accommodating right up to the specialist recommending donor sperm 2 months ago, which he has refused to even discuss ever since. It's frustrating to be willing to not have your partner back you up. :hug: In terms of finding out about IVF, it's hard to summarise in a neat little forum post, so I'd suggest doing some light googling to get started and then bring any specific questions you may have back to this group. BTW, I don't think 50% motility is all that bad? My clinic just wants to see over 40% motile and over 20% rapid motile. The 10 million is a little low (my clinic wants 15 million), but there are things he can do to try to improve those numbers (eg menevit, acupuncture, etc).

Kel, good to hear! Go get 'im!!

Thanks for understanding, ladies. I had a bit of a cry this afternoon and I'm giving myself a 24 hour pass for some chocolate (asked DH to buy a block and told him I'm only allowed to eat it tonight/tomorrow and then he has to hide whatever's left).

Juniper if it was me I would be doubting there would be only left to be hiding! Enjoy your leave pass xx

Thanks Juniper. I called the FS already. He said there is not really anything they can do as I am already on all the meds they could give me (eg increased Crinone etc). He said to take it easy and hopefully it will pass. If it gets worse or is accompanied with bleeding I am to call his mobile. God I hope it doesn't come to that!! I feel like I have really bad AF cramps right through from my tummy to my back and 'shooting' type pains down my legs.
Sorry your feeling down honey.. Sometimes this cr@p gets really overwhelming :hug:.

Jasmine, can you take a sick day tomorrow to put your feet up and take it easy? I'm glad to hear you have a way of contacting your FS if the situation gets any worse. :hug:

I'm already off work tomorrow.. On the recommendation of my FS and acupuncturist I took a whole week of after transfer so not back till next week. Think I will be spending the rest of my time on the couch.

Sab- Welcome honey. I second what Juniper said.. Google google google and then bombard us with questions. I don't have any advice regarding your partner. Our issues have been completly me which I think in a lot of ways has been easier to deal with.

Kel- GL with your BD fest!

Jasmine, I'm glad to hear you'll be able to put your feet up!

Afm, DH didn't buy the chocolate. :( Guess he saved me from myself...?

Juniper, big hugs sweetie. Sometimes a big cry really helps to deal with it all. :hug:. I, on the other hand, have bought myself 2 of the big blocks of chocolate, ritchies had a special, 2 for $6. I'm sure one block will be gone tonight, my OH is the biggest sweet tooth ever.

Jasmine, I'm praying like crazy AF is not on her way. You must be so worried, I don't blame you, based on the symptoms you had last time. We can only pray and hope this time it will be a different ending. Sending love and prayers your way hun :pray: :hug: I'm glad you've got all this week off, I'd be a total couch potato too.

Kel, you go girl!!!!

Hi Sab and welcome to bellybelly. Welcome to our little corner of it! I hope your journey is a short one, and that you won't need IVF after all. But if you do, I am living proof that it does work. GL hun!

Emma, yay for being on the waiting list!! Hope the waiting time goes quickly for you.

Mrs O'M, I hope the witch arrives soon so you can get the ball rolling!

PositivelyTTC, thanks hun. I really think you should do a sneaky test tonight, hehehehe. Just so you can just satisfy my curiosity? lol. I am so hopeless when it comes to POAS, I just want everyone to test!! haha. GL if you do!

AFM, I have a cold :( Yay, not!!! In a way I'm glad it's this week as I'd hate to be sick next week, should everything go to plan and I have my transfer on Friday. My little poppet is sick too, we vegged out on the couch today watching ABC for kids almost all day, he was so lethargic and hardly ate anything :(. I stocked up on everything from the chemist, plenty of vitamic C to be chewed. Nothing like a massive overdose to kick this cold in the teeth :) I hate winter!!!

Jasmine, you poor thing, I hope you have a nice day on the couch, watch some great movies, troll the internet and generally vege out. Crossing my fingers that everything works out ok for you

Juniper, sorry you are having a rough time, and that you missed out on chocolate, perhaps you could extend the 24 hour window to include today so you can grab a bit to eat later on, and like joespratt, i would not have any at all to put away :)

Sorry to hear you are unwell Miss B. I hope the cold passes quickly and easily and that your little one is feeling better soon.

Good Luck Kel, hopefully you and your DH had a nice night :)

Welcome Sab, I am new to the whole IVF experience so dont have lots of info for you, but I would suggest like the others doing some googling, and even drop into your closest IVF clinic, they have lots and lots of brochures and DVD's full of info that DH & I have found rather helpful.

Myturn, good luck for todays transfer, hope all goes well!

AFM, still waiting for AF I have cramps and am breaking out and generally pretty cranky so crossing my fingers that she arrives soon, we are going away for the weekend so I dont really want to be popping in somewhere else to get the initial blood test and would prefer to have it done at the clinic. Anyway we shall see.

Sorry, dodgy double...