Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception - Jan/Feb 2007

Hi there,

Twomums - I am 12 days into my cycle as well but I don't know for sure when I'm going to O do you know for sure that your's will be in two days?
I have had my 3rd bt today & is up to 1000 but they say it's higher than a normal cycle (because of chlomid) so it's still not time.
So I am in for another b/t tomorrow which by the way I feel like a pin cushion.

Shaz - HAPPY BIRTHDAY for you tomorrow.

Willow & Megan - I am so glad everything went well for you both today & I will have my fingers crossed for you.

Clare - welcome, I hope your time can come soon.

Alex - I to hate it when people say but your young, what the hell has that got to do with anything.
I have actually had dr's say that to me & at the time I was 25.

Nic, Zap & Boo - are you ok, haven't heard from you guys in ages.

Jo :)

Willow & Megan - so glad to hear things went well for you both today

Dream bub - good luck with your transfer and hope you have an excellent birthday

Mstickles - welcome to the thread, hopefully you'll be moving onto the preg threads before you know it

Sazz - sorry to hear your appointment has been put back - all the waiting is so frustrating isn't it?

Alex - hope the embie is implating itself nicely in there. Grrr to your SIL - how insensitive. Comments like that from people make me so mad.

BG - hope you and DH start to feel better soon - sorry i can't help, i haven't done IUI before.

Loula - hope your FS gets back with some advice quickly, it gets very confusiing when you have two different DRs telling you two different things!

Jo - Haven't heard from you in a while - hope everything is going well and O doesn't keep you waiting too much longer.

Me - I haven't been around much, have had so many things going on lately haven't had much time to jump on here. We have our FS appointment on Monday to find out when our first IVF cycle will be so we're really looking forward to that - of course we're still praying for a miricle in the meantime!

Sorry to everyone i missed - there's so many posts to read its hard to keep up - hope your all doing well.

Wow guys, I don't know why I waited so long to do this, I am feeling better already - I think the most difficult part about this is the lack of understanding and everyone around me being pregnant. Thanks you all for welcoming me!

BG - I have only done IUI with clomid and a trigger on the day before insemination - it had no effect on me really except for having cramps after one of them. Maybe you could contact your FS and tell them what is going on??

Happy birthday Shaz and good luck tomorrow

Sazz - I hope we do have our IVF stuff happen together, it will be nice to compare notes.

Anyway thanks again everyone, I will get better at the personals as I get to know you all better.

Clare

Hi,

I've just read the new post by Schaz "New IVF test may double success rates" it sounds too good to be true, so I went onto the SIRM website. I've posted a question about costs for international patients. I know it will probably by a crazy amount of money, but it's always worth finding out.

Has anyone else read this? If so, what do you think? It would be fantastic to increase the success rates. With only 8 days of my TWW left I am getting more and more anxious...

BG, I hope you're feeling better. I haven't done IUI so can't help you with your question. Take it easy and get a hot water bottle for your tummy.

Got to dash.:)

Hi All

Wow - what a lot has been happening!

Alex, Willow & Megan - fingers, toes, legs and arms crossed for you (makes typing a little difficult) sending you all stickyvibes

Clare - wishing you a warm (if somewhat belated) welcome. I'm new to this thread too and the locals seems quite pleasant :)

Shaz - Happy Birthday!!

Loula - hope that you get some answers soon - nothing like conflicting info to make you feel better.

Jo - got to love the pin cushion effect don't you. I was really sick a few years ago and spent my days trying to work out how difficult it would be to install a tap into a major artery that could just be turned on and off whenever required (DP told me that the Dr I told was very enthusiastic but thought that I was hallucinating)

Hi to everyone I have missed - more later :)

Howdy girls,
Alex, yep SIL seem to be insensitive all round!! Recently we had a b/day thing for my brother and everyone there seemed to know she was pg but us!! They kept making remarks which we worked out and later on my mum just anounced to me in front of everyone that they are expecting. I didnt know which way to look or if i should run out of the room. Later when we were by ourselves my brother went to tell DH and myself but we alreadly knew so kind of destroyed his anouncement. Difficult for all 3 of us. He wanted to tell us NOT in front of everyone... would have made it a lot easier I can tell you!:angry:
Megan, Alex, Willow sending you :stickyvibesboy: :stickyvibesgirl: for everyone!! Stay sane over the TWW if you can!
Boo, thanks for your support
Taffy, Hi! Great idea for the blood tap:lol:
Loula, GGrrrrrrr to the infec. Hope you feel heaps better soon you poor thing.
BG, sorry to hear about the IBS. Ive had a touch of it in the past but nothing like youre going through hunny. Hope it passes soon (no joke intended)Give yourself lots of TLC in other non-food-ways. Maybe a relaxing massage could be suggested to DH?
Hi everyone else.
Bye for now

Thanks everyone for Birthday wishes. They are throwing me a lovely mornning tea at work shortly which is nice. DH bought me some lovely earings and wrote such a lovely poem in my card - I have to share it. Roses are red, Violets are blue, First comes our baby - then come the poo!! Very romantic, brings a smile to my face :)
Alex, willow, Megan - Hope you are sane and hanging in there.
Lou - I have heaps of UTI's myself, many that dont show up in testing??! But I feel them so clearly they are there. They dont sound painful if you never get them - but if you do - you just cant focus on anything else. Hope you are feeling better ...
PS - forgot to hit submit - have had morning tea - YUMMY

HI Girls

Firstly - SHAZ - happy birthday! the poem from yout DH is so sweet!

thanks so much for all your kind words over the past day or so - it's nice to have a it of support, i can assure you! things are starting to improve - (very) slowly - but an improvement is a good thing! finally got to see my GP today, who's given me directions to take it easy, eat (like THAT's high on my agenda at the moment!) - just to keep it bland - and wait for it to heal itself.

had next visit with my FS this morning - starting on injections tomorrow night, BT next Friday - then US after that - might all be a happening thing before Valentines Day - woo hoo. i'm so excited, and yet scared stiff at the same time. i guess it's just another - albeit newer - waiting and guessing game. yay me! My FS was brilliant about everything that's going on with the IBS - changed my metformin tabs to once daily slow release (which apparently have less side effects) as one of the side effects of it is the upset tummy.

ah well - time to "kick back and relax" for an hour or three while DH is a work.

Hello Lovely Ladies!!!

Just thought I would write as I have been missing for a little while now!!!
Have just been busy going back to work (School term) and haven't had anything exciting to report, but have been reading every day!!!

Welcome to all of the new ladies... you'll love it here, but hopefully you won't have to stay here too long;)

Willow and Megan.... much love and best wishes to you guys for the 2ww xxxx

As for me, I was due to see our new clinic on 25th Jan, but we had to cancel - DH just started a new job 3 weeks ago, and couldn't get the time off... they wanted to see us both, so we had to reschedule until 22nd this month:rolleyes:
I am very very keen to speak to a different clinic and get their opinions, but am wondering realistically how we can afford the cycle with Sydney IVF - $7500 roughly up front is just soo much more than we have ever paid!!!
DH has done a little research of his own (!!!) and also wants to see the clinic at Westmead for their opinion too - he has spoken to a few people who highly recommend them.
Any of you girls that have been or are currently going through Westmead IVF, your thoughts and stories would be MUCH appreciated!!!
I have made an app to see them later this month too.
SO! In the meantime, I have my follow up app with specialist who did my lap for Tues, so that will be good, as I spoke to him after the surgery but its all a bit of a haze as I was still coming down from anaesthetic!!!
Have been doing my acupuncture & herbs, and will keep bding now that I have an unblocked tube, and theres always a chance!!!
My acupuncturist gave me a new product to try - a bottle of Mona Vie.... you can Google it and get the info - Its very interesting, people are taking it for all types of ailments - MS, cancer, back problems, general well - being, etc, but she has given me a bottle to try to aid with my herbs, and DH is also drinking it now to add to sperm quality.
The notes on it are pretty amazing, its made from berries from the Amazon... I think it was also on Oprah recently.
Anyway, we'll see how it goes - she has given me a whole bottle that retails for $45 - $60 so anything is worth a try!!!!!!

My best wishes to all of you for wherever you are in your current cycle.....

Love Holly
xxx:D

Just popping in to see how you went today with GavS Shaz?

HollyBolly - nice to know there's another teacher around! I've found this week so hard - just completely exhausting, but there's only one more day until the weekend and then we can take a break. Are you primary or secondary? I've also heard people speak highly of Westmead IVF, and we probably would have gone there ourselves, apart from the fact that we need ICSI, and as our clinic doesn't charge extra for it, we actually end up better off at Next Generation Fertility.

BG, I'm glad to hear you are feeling better now, hope the rest of the recovery follows soon. I was switched to slow release metformin recently too, and while I initially didn't notice much of a difference, I have noticed that I get a lot less episodes of upset stomachs since.

I'm way too tired for more personals, I'm really sorry to everyone. It's been a long day here - acupuncture this evening (I fell asleep!) and with having to do some shopping on the way home, I've been out for 12 hours straight, and on top of my weakened state from the bleeding over the weekend, I'm looking forward to just curling up in bed and sleeping. But I do just have to add... only one more week until I see the FS again! :dance:

BW

Yay BW - i'm glad you've noticed a difference with the slow release meds - i'm so looking forward to having a calmer stomach for a while! enjoy the early night BW - only one more day to go.

ok, feeling a little more with it now, so can put a little more detail in about FS visit (was really tired this arvo, so had a kindie nap this evening and feeling a little better now) - anyway - went through all the info for the injections and stuff with nurse, and FINALLY got results for DH's SA - he has high motility, really high forward motility, but his count is on the low side of normal. they're not too stressed though - because they clean he sample before the IUI she said it would be more concentrated and still fine. She also said they'd try IUI only the once, maybe twice at a stretch, but due to the severity of my PCOS they will probably move straight to IVF if i don't get a BFP in the very near future - after reading the posts here of people who have gone through IUI repeatedly, i was really surprised at this - has anyone else come across something like this?

the other thing she mentioned is that, due to the PCOS, i have a higher than average chance of hyperstimulating - and that i have to monitor my weight, which is annoying, considering i'm trying SO hard not to be jumping on the scales at the moment cos i'm trying to lose weight without putting too much pressure on myself - bugger! could be interesting! apparently at the u/s they should be able to tell how much risk there is of OHSS developing, but i'm a little worried. i'm sure i'll get over it though!

Hey Girls

Jo - sorry i confused you, i was 12 days post IUI, but not anymore...i am now on CD 2. :cry: :crying: :wall:

Megan - so sorry - big hugs for you

Hi girls

Sorry, I don’t post often, but I love reading to see how everyone is going.

I have come to realise that a lot of you lovely ladies have PCOS or PCO, and struggling with weight maintenance or weight loss. I have seen several specialists since I stopped menstruating, and even though I have not been diagnosed with PCOS I am left with the same symptoms. I consulted a Dr who specialises in holistic medicine. For those who live in VIC, his name is DR Spittle. I was basically taken of carbs, limiting my intake to under 50g, I know that sounds extreme, but after 3-4 day I had so much energy, and I had no cravings. My body has changed so much.
With all the hormones we are taking it makes it a little harder for us to maintain a good body weight, but I have had no problems since I was put on this diet.
Anyways, that's it for me, but I am glad that most of you are doing really well. Makes me happy that there is good news on this forum.

Ltl Panda, sounds like you are on a more restrictive diet than mine - I'm allowed 150g of carbohydrate per day. You are right, the energy is amazing (from someone who has suffered with CFS for many years), and the cravings all but disappear. Although, I did have a weak moment today - staff morning tea and staring at cakes and chips and biscuits and stuff like that while I was eating my apple was just too much for me! I attempted to eat a lamington, but one of my colleagues removed it from my hand before I took a bite! I had instructed her to do so a week ago, I was slightly shocked when she actually did, and while I have been grumbling at her ever since, I'm grateful that she did - I know I wouldn't have enjoyed it much at all even if I did eat it.

Megan, I'm sorry to hear you are on CD2 again. :hug: better luck next round.

BW

Hi there,

Just letting you know that we are on for our first IUI tomorrow!!!
Like I posted in the other thread I was so nervous when I phoned for my results today but I knew what the answer would be because I had so much EWCM today so anyway I will let you know how it all went tomorrow.

Twomums - I'm so sorry that it didn't work this time, I was looking forward to going through the experience with you. (hope you are ok).

Jo :)

How exciting Jo! :D Good luck for tomorrow....and the upcoming TWW! ;)

Megan, sorry to hear AF arrived. :hug:

Hey girls.

Quick post as I am feeling very sore after yesterdays EPU. We got 15 eggs, however Fs called this morn and only 5 fertilised. Thats the worst result I've had to date :(. Still going on to blast so I pray that we have something left by the transfer on Wed.

Suzi Q - Ta for asking about Doc Sacks. Went v well, going to catch up with him when I am in Sydney on the 15th and he suggested that there certainly may be some issues with NK cells. I am getting all my bloods taken while I am there. Thanks once again for the advice.

BAck to bed for me - I feel like I have had my ribs removed....

Hi lovelies, I thought I better write a post in here. I guess Im feeling a little lost STILL right now. I dont belong in 6month + anymore and definatly are now LT TTC. I know all my answers will be answered, well most of them after the FS appointment which is now less than 2 weeks away. Have got all the forms sent out to fill in already.
Im sticking as much as I can with the low GI. Ive learnt quickly that the little logo also means more $$ but im willing to do anything. We also have developed a love for Salmon. I feel like I have more energy which was pretty non existance before.

I dont feel like DTD, i guess the, there is no point to it, which I know is so unfair. I dont feel attractive, I know im no less of a woman for having issues for fertility, I think it drives me crazy because logically I know its not ok to be thinking irrationally but yet I still do it. Ok, I betta stop or this is going to turn into a vent more than anything.

Hope you are feeling better soon Shaz.
Good Luck for today DJTTC.
BW Lamingtons are soooooo hard to resist.

Shaz - sorry to here you didn't get as many fertilise as you were expecting. hope everything goes well with the transfer on Wednesday. i'm so glad you've been able to get in to see Dr Sacks - hopefullly he can give you the answers you need. hope you're feeling a little better

Jo - hope your IUI went well today. we're looking at late next weekend or just before valetines day for our first IUI at this stage - so just as you're finishing your TWW i'll be starting mine!

Summer - i know what you mean about DTD - lately it seems a bit of a chore - know some of it is related to the synarel spray, but more than that is the fact that my self esteem has plummetted (even lower than before) since we found out about my problems... poor DH is brilliant about it, but i still feel like i'm treating him badly (which then makes me feel even worse......).

Hi all,

Sunnysummer - sorry you're feeling so down atm & trust me we have all felt that way at least once or twice so we do know how you feel.
Unfortunately there is no easy way to feel better, I have come to the realisation that I just have to be thankful for what I do have in my life (rather than what I don't have - which I know is hard) like a wonderful DH & family & my health.
There are so many people worse off & I think that's what gets me through but of course everyone is different.
Even though you think there is no point for dtd I think you should really try & make the most of it & just really enjoy each other's company cause let's face it when you do have your baby there wont be alot of couple time. ;)

Shaz - sorry the number wasn't what you were after, fingers crossed for Wednesday for you.

Well IUI went well today, was pretty much like a pap smear except they open up the cervix quite a bit, they then put in the cathider that has all the swimmers & put it in.
Sounds so easy & basic doesn't it?
However the lady told me not to get my hopes up though!
Apparently 95% of sperm were all moving rapidly & well so fingers crossed.
The sperm sample was interesting, so impersonal but it had to be done at least I got to go in with DH.
So I go for a b/t in 2 weeks to see how we went.

Have a great weekend!
Jo :)

Thanks girls, yes well DH has been so loving and wonderful through all of this. I did say with an evil eye I was going to smack him if he asks again if this is low GI when I went to get something out the fridge! I know hes trying to help. Gotta give my man top points for being persistant. I think you hit the nail on the head about low self esteem. I just feel so ugly and dont want him looking at ugly, non fertile, too many male hormone me. BUT at least im not going to drown my sorrows in something bad to eat. I think breaking that cycle for myself has been a huge step this year.

Summer - you go girl, you should be proud of what you have achieved too.
Comfort eating can be a huge thing to overcome & don't forget your Dh loves you heaps, he wouldn't be so wonderful & supportive otherwise.

Jo

HI all

just a quick post - started my injections last night for IUI - DH was being very supportive and sat beside me the whole time - i think he was expecting me to get the whole thing set up and then go "nope, can't do it". nothing like that - all went off without a hitch, and i'm now counting down how many more needles til i get tested to see if it all worked. thankfully, i'm one of those lucky people that has no fear of injections at all (though the idea of giving myself a needle from a syringe rather than the pen is not all that pleasant...) - anyway, it's just another medication that has been added into my nightly routine.

DH has been brilliant through it all - we have an alarm on my phone in the mornings to do the synarel spray, and to save me having to change mine every day he set up the night time one on his phone (i'm a shocker with time, so have to have a reminder, otherwise i'll look one minute and it's 7 and the next it's midnight!!!). he's slowly changing his eating habits (it's taking a lot of persuasion - he is a truckie that, up until recently, was on the road full time) to meet the low GI type things - but is willing to cook different stuff for me if what's he's having isn't right for me.

oh yeah, WOO HOO - we had heard that DH's sample would have to be at the hospital within an hour for the IUI otherwise it would be no good, so (living about 50 minutes from the hospital) we were thinking it was just going to be way too tight and he'd have to "perform" the deed at he hospital - but as long as we get it there within 90 minutes we're all good - he's soooooooo much happier now!

and Summer - i know it's sometimes hard to accept that your DH loves you for who you are, no matter what, but i'm sure it's the truth! i've wondered so many times why DH is with me, considering everything that we're going through, but when i ask, he just smiles sweetly, kisses me on the nose and says "because i love you" - i guess i can't argue with that!

Shaz, sorry you didnt get the fertilisation rate that we all wish for (100%)...did the doctors say why, did they do ICSI or did they discuss emergency ICSI with you at all? I'm in Brisbane also and go to QFG, and i also have a low fertilisation rate...have read articles that blame the FSH for low fertilisation rates...and that it maybe better to do IVF on clomid and get a few good eggs, or even IVF on a natural cycle with one good egg... what do you think? They also think that it happens because all the follicles are not at the same size or maturity at EPU...i'm really interested in this topic...i think that we are made to think that it is us with the "bad eggs" when it may be the drug protocol... well thats what i'm suspecting...in any case i have my fingers crossed for your five embies !!!

Shaz – Sorry to hear about your disappointment, I will keep my fingers crossed anyway.

Megan – Hope you are OK

Jo – Good luck for your IUI – it’s very exciting and surprisingly easy hey??

I am having my fourth and final IUI on Thursday – have absolutely no hope for it which is a weird feeling. I have read in a few places that if it doesn’t happen in the first 3 then it probably won’t happen.. I haven’t even told one person I am doing it – except DH – I kinda need him for it. I just tell people we are having a break at the moment, if one more person says – “oh it will probably happen now” I will punch them in the head. Even the people who I have said to not tell me to relax still say it. Don’t they realise they are basically saying the only reason it’s not working is because I think about it too much – that it’s my fault? Does anyone in the world who is trying not think about??

Anyway – at least I will get to talk to the FS about starting IVF, and hopefully will book in the counselling and get the go ahead for April.

Clare

hey girls, just a quick hello and fingers crossed for those of you in the TWW!!

Here's Heaps of babydust for you all to smother yourselves in :D

Hi ladies
Hi Ladies

From my experience, I found that if I involve my husband in everything, he is more aware and sympathetic towards what is happening to my body. We have enough to worry about, the last thing you should be worrying about is how your partner feels about you. I am sure that our partners care more than we think, they have a different way of expressing it though.

Mstickles, good luck on Thursday. I so totally understand your frustration with those around. Everyone has their opinion or 2 cents worth. I constantly get the relax, don’t think about it. Ummm how can I not.

Ohh and Butterfly, glad you are coping with the diet.

Hi beautiful people!

Clare, I know what you mean about the punch in the head lol! " so, how long have you two been married?" " Are you getting clucky?" "I thought you guys would have had kids by now" They are all great comments to kick a girl in the guts with!! Have you looked in the articles about coping with these comments? I took a look recently and found it to be a real help. Just to know that you are normal for all the crazy feelings we feel while on the rollercoaster was a help to me... I dont know why but I thought it was weird of me to get angry!! Poor DH was scared to tell me when workmates or others we know were expecting because of my reaction sometimes and here I was thinking I was a freak... anyhow.. have a look, it may help.
Hi everyone else.. nothing much to report here. SSSSSTilllllll waiting for ydeletion test results! I guess no news is good news?

Hi Girls,

Have recovered from Fridays EPU. Had a very slow weekend felt very crampy and a realllly sore back. Anyway spoke to QFG scientist this morning and the good news is at day 3 there are still 5 embies. 1 X 10 cell, 1 X 9, 2 x 8 and 1 X 7. Apparently at day 3 they are normally 6 cell so this was good news. Now I am just praying that they make it another 2 days to blast transfer on Wednesday. I am practising the power of positive thought and visualising myself with the big buddha belly in 9 months time!

Two Mums - Thanks for asking. I asked about rescue ICSi on Saturday morning and doc told me that once the eggs have been exposed to sperm it doesnt work?? There was no great discussion at the time. :( Prior to this cycle weve only tried ICSI once as we usually get good egg numbers and good fertilisation. When we did ICSI that once it only gave us the same level of success as natural, so FS suggests natural. I think next time I am definately going ICSI (if I need a next time). Can anyone ellighten me on emergency ICSI and its success - especially in Brissy. Not sure about the FSH causing low fert rates, could be right - hasnt been an issue before. I was particularly disappointed as I was expecting a better result than usual as this time I had acupunctire and herbs to improve quality and numbers, we also abstained from BD'g for a week before and DH had no alcohol for a week.

Did anyone see "The Secret" on TV Saturday night? I really enjoyed it, I taped it and after watching it again am looking forward to putting it in to practice...

Thankyou to all for your good luck wishes I will uses your prayers wisely.

Shaz..... Good luck for some great little balsties on Weds.

So sad to hear it was a no go this month for you Megan.

Does anyone have absolutely no side effects from the synarel/lucrin? I feel no different at all and its day three of lucrin injections. I was all prepared for the headaches and stuff but have been fine. Maybe the injectible form makes the difference....or maybe I am just a freak of nature....who knows. Ah well counting down now......19 days till our wedding and approx 24 days till EPU....talk about cramming everything into the one pile....aaarrgh!!!

hi melbel - i'm a bit like you in the no side effects thing from the synarel nasal spray - the very first day when i'd started i felt a bit off color, but i think that was mostly from the heat and smoke in our area that day - absolutely nothing since then! Good luck for the wedding too - those last couple of weeks are just going to fly by - hope you have the best day of your life so far!

dreambub - i have my fingers crossed for your transfer on wednesday - it sounds like so far everything is going to plan. what was "the secret" about?

sazzafrazz - i ope you get your test results soon and you can move forward with your TTC journey

My FS appointment is scarily close right now! At my last weight check-in (on Saturday), I'd lost 3kg... which was pretty impressive as I'd stuffed myself with pizza (yes, I know - naughty me!) the night before. I was tired, grumpy and we were both too exhausted to cook, so we didn't. I'm hoping that the weight loss will be enough to enable us to start without having to do another round of testing. In particular, I'm desperate to avoid another GTT! The three day carb-fest is enough to make me sick just thinking about it, I've got so used to the new way of eating.

Week two at school, and I'm still amazingly enjoying my classes... my year 8 class is quite scary, though - there's 6 boys! And it's so unbelievably quiet when they are working that I just don't know what to do with myself!

Back later for personals hopefully... Mel, I hope you do manage to juggle the wedding and EPU without too much hassle - it sounds really full on!

BW

Hi

Melbel - Lucrin doesnt give me any side effects really. This cycle I got a few headaches, but theyre quite common for me and I might have had them anyway. Only thing i get is bruising.... When you start FSH you will probably have a few side effects. Good Luck in the lead up to the wedding - it was the best time of my life.

BG - "The Secret" was pretty much about transformng the way you think. Ive seen plenty of motivational videos and books that they throw at me from work constantly, but this one really hit the spot. They werent "selling" anything. Basically it was based on the principal that you attract in to your life whatever you focus on and it seriously made sense to me. I think they have their own site. Maybe if you google The secret or secret TV you will get some info.

Somehow I don't think bruising will be so much of an issue for me Shaz.......I am kinda an expert at the painless injection thing being a type 1 diabetic for 28 yrs...hehe......that is the ONE thing about this that doesn't bother me.

On the advice of BW I am joining this thread!

Ive just added a signature and I wanted to see if its works!

sounds interesting melbel. might have a look at it later tonight

the FSH injections aren't too scary yet (they'll be a breeze for you mel!) - so far i'm bruise (and side effect) free! it's only a few days into it, but if i was going to bruise, i would have done from day dot.

Welcome, Kim! Glad to see you have joined us! :)

Mel, maybe you should give us all tips on how to inject painlessly - it's the one thing that has me most terrified in the whole process!

BW

BW - don't worry about the injections - they don't hurt at all! i honestly hardy notice it - probably the hardest part is working out what you're dong first time - but seriously, there's no pain.

Kim - welcome. hope your stay with us is short (actually, hope all of us have a short stay here!)