Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception - Jan/Feb 2007

Needles are more likely to bruise the slower you go or the tenser you are.....easy to say relax, hard to do as a learner driver. Also if you are hot you have more blood vessels closer to the surface and therefore more likelihood of nicking a vessel. straight in with a steady motion not stop start again hard not to do when you are nervous. You will also find the angle of the dangle has a part to play. The needle is filed away to a point but only one the one side if you get what a mean. If you have that side or more exactly the exact part ot the point going in first the insertion will be cleaner. So if you find you inject on a slight amgle check that the eye where the drops come out is facing up towards you. This will ensure the pointiest bit is puncturing the skin more cleanly. OH and most importantly...remember to breath. So Many people hold their breath when they inject, this will only make any pain worse.

Good Luck

Thanks so much for your welcome guys!

Its good to know I can come in here for support or questions...speaking of questions and Im so sorry guys but because Im new to IVF i have many...but I was just wondering...I went for my day 21 BT today before the syranel. Prior to my BT the nurse said that I would start the syranel in a day or two depending on my BT results, but when I called this afternoon they told me to start tonight! Why is this? Have they started me on the syranel to late in my cycle?

Thanx
Kim

i was in the same boat when i starte synarel. i think they check day 21 to check for signs of ovulation - if you've o'd they give a little more time in case there's a chance of a natural little miracle - if your results on day 21 show no ovulation has occurred, they can start you straight away - i gues they're playing it safe - if you're progesterone is a little higher on day 21 they wait a little longer just in case IYKWIM? i know that i was checked for HCG, estrogen and progesterone before starting on synarel, but they main thing they were interested in was the progesterone...

good luck with the synarel - it tastes pretty ordinary once you get it running down the back of your throat - i generally have a glass of water, or try to clean my teeth around the same time that i do the spray to make sure it doesn't linger - and no big dramas here.

Welcome Kim! Good luck with the IVF, and you should definitely ask questions as I get better information from these girls than from the FS!

Mel, thanks for the needle tips! If I have to go back for a second stim cycle, I will have a much better technique now.

Just wanted to say hi to all the TWW girls. For me, that is excruciating! Especially as you're not allowed to guzzle wine to help with the stress. :)

We are going back to see our FS tomorrow...gearing up for our second FET.

Cheers,
RG

Congrats Shaz, those embies are HUGE!!! Heres hoping they produce nice big healthy babies for you!! i only got a 4 and a 5 cell on day 3, so you go girl!!

Very interesting that you say that ICSI didnt improve your fertilisation rates...my doctor at QFG really wants me to try ICSI. I figure if the egg doesnt fertilise then it wont with ICSI either...ICSI i thought was really used when there was sperm factor infertility, not to improve fertilisation rates... who knows, they're the experts i guess.

Kim is on CD5 and day 4 of taking Clomid...going for bloods and U/S on saturday. We will be using the last vial of the donor sperm we chose. After this attempt we are having a break (yeah i know we will see what REALLY happens when the time comes) and saving up for another go at IVF maybe with ICSI, maybe not....i want to find out way much more before i do it.

Hi Girls,

Is anyone able to tell me how expensive an FET cycle with HRT is, compared with a natural FET cycle?

Also, does the HRT just involve pessaries, or is it more than that?

Thanks heaps,

RG

HI RG - Sorry I can't help with your question on FET with HRT, I know a normal FET was $1385 (at QFG) less your MC rebate but not sure with HRT.

Two Mums - would love to know how you go with ICSI this time, You are correct in commenting on the sperm count being the reason for ICSI of course, I think maybe I am grabbing at straws in looking for a better fertilisation rate! Also I spoke with scientist today and she said that of my 15 eggs, 5 were just not mature enough & therefore not capable of fertilising, so I actually got 5 fertilise from the 10 that were capable which is much more acceptable. Not sure why I had immature eggs, to my knowledge this hasnt happened to me before.

Welcome Kim - All the best of luck, I hope your stay is short (ditto to all).

Melbel - Thanks for the needle tips, I think I bruise myself because i am always in such a hurry and have a habit of injecting in to the same site. I bruise more toward the end of the cycle than the start. I am with the others - they dont hurt! WHo would have every thought. In fact I find the needles easier than having to get out of bed at 6am for those early morning BT's! Not a morning girl.:(

Embie update - start of day 4. Still Have 5 ! Yay! 2 at morrelar stage and 3 at 12 cell. All is looking quite hopeful. Transfer tomorrow, and I am praying the other 3 can be frozen.

RG,

a few of the girls in the LTAC threads have done HRT FETs. Might be worth posting in that forum for help.

Hello everyone waiting, sniffing, injecting and TWWing etc!

I'm starting to get really excited here! One more day at work, and then we're off to the FS appointment!

I'm a little scared that I'm going to build myself up to such an extreme level of excitement and anticipation... and then we'll just get sent for another round of tests. I so hope we can start - I'm over the hanging around waiting and having to take the pill!

BW

Hello to all ladies,
I've posted on BB before but not here. I've read through many messages and only hope with all my heart that your wishes to have happy healthy bubs come true. I've just commenced IUI & am surprised to read posts indicating IUI doesn't seem to be successful.
My DH works o/s 4 months at a time, hence our decision to do IUI, to make the most of the months he's away. I had my 1st IUI yesterday after testing +ve for LH surge on Sunday. So firstly hoping that the window of opportunity was still open at the time.
My DH's sperm count is lower than normal, but motility is high so that's a good thing at least.
We've only had 1 try naturally since DH started working o/s, which was unsuccessful. So IUI is our next best option for now.
Historically- I came off contraception 1 yr ago & fell pg 4 mths later. After the m/c, spent late last year waiting for cycle to get back to normal....I think it is now.
Seeing how we go...

Lots of luck to you all,

Hi there,

Shaz - all the best with your transfer tomorrow, it is all sounding really positive!!!

Lou - good luck with your IUI, I have just had my first one on Saturday & I was also suprised when nurse told me not to get my hopes up too much because there isn't a huge success rate so that kinda burst my bubble a little.
It's hard to believe it's not so successful because everything is so right at the time but I guess time will tell & everyone is different.

I have had cramps since my IUI on Saturday, nurse said you can get cramps for the first 24 hours but as usual everything they say MAY happen always does with me (and usually worse).

Jo - 27
Dh - 33
TTC #1 since June 2005
:pray: this will be the year!!!

Dreambub - good luck for tomorrow!! Wishing you great success and hope you get your frosties for later use too!
Kimb - Welcome, welcome, Hope you find all the support and info you need right here with all these sympathetic girls.
Melbel - Thanks for all the needle tips. I thought you were meant to go slow to stop the sting? Guess I had that wrong, cause you would know! Will remember to breath in future too lol.
BG - whenever I look back at posts I get confused because on here you look a lot like butterflywarrier! I dont find anything too drastic with synarel except the taste! blah.
I tend to get headaches anyhow so I never thought they were related.
BW - Yay for you on the weight loss!! And good luck with the FS appt. Hope they say to go to treatment straight away for you. I agree, the waiting around sucks.. it always feels like forever.
Two Mums - Hope your last vial is just what you need and that you dont even need to worry about that break. This one is IT!
The secret was great! I coulnt record it so I had to stay up but it was def. worth it. I think there is a thread in general chatter about it... Im going to take another look...
Hello to everyone else

Yeah Sazz you go slow when you are pushing the plunger in but not when you are pushing the needle in...hehe

Sazz, in all honesty, until you commented, i hadn't noticed the similarities between our AV's - but now that i've looked again, it's easy to see why you've been getting confused

Lou - welcome - i'm hoping that your IUI is successful. it's difficult when your DH is away - was TTC for a while when DH was working away and it got really difficult. good luck with it all

Just wanted to pop in and say good luck for your transfer tomorrow Shaz!!! Kim has finished her Clomid and while watching she is crying at everything on TV, but thats pretty normal for her anyways LOL, she has had a couple of headaches but all in all she says she feels pretty good. Now we just have to wait until Saturday for the bloods and U/S...

good luck tomorrow schaz.

twomums - hope everything goes well this weekend for Kim - maybe we'll be TWW buddies - i should be having U/S at some point this weekend too i think...

Thanks ladies for your kind words-
DJTTC- I felt cramps too, the dr told me I would after it, but then by end of the day not so bad, then all gone. Got word from a friend today that a friend of hers did IUI & had success the 2nd time. Experiences are so varied, so we just go with the flow.. good luck to you too.
Good luck Sazz & all other ladies.

Hi everyone, just poppin in to check how everyone is going.

Welcome Lou, here's hoping you hit the jackpot first go!

Shaz, hope your transfer went well today, it is sounding promising!

Megan, how is your tww going?

BW, good luck with your appt tomorrow, hope all goes well and you can get started.

As for me, nothing happening, just waiting, waiting. Kinda dreading next week but at the same time want it to hurry up and get here! Had a really awful dream last night that I went to the loo and AF had arrived. It was so real that it wasn't till a few moments after I woke up that I realised it was just a dream! So feeling a bit awful after that, I hope it wasn't a sign of things to come.

Hi Girls,

Good news today. Had two beautiful blasts TF'd today. ALso still have 1 blast, 1 morrelar and 1 12 cell left. The 12 cell looks to have stopped growing, however the other two can be frozen. The only frozens Ive have ever had are from the old days when I used to do day 2 transfers so this is a milstone for us. I am so pleased. And you no what - this time i AM INTENTIONALLY getting my hopes up. I really think that it will help to stay positive and visualise myself carying my bub in my belly. So for now I am officially pregnant with twins!It will work - stay tuned for the BFP (and yours too!)

I am lazy and cant recall who else is now in the 2ww - except Megan. Hope everyone else is tracking along very well and my fingers are crossed for a mass exodus of girls from the LTT threads in the coming months.

DJTTC - Your nurse needs a dose of optimism, this is a not a time when you should be dashing peoples hopes. Ignore her and think positive. Its going to happen one way or another!

Two Mums - good luck to you and Kim - hoping this is the one for you guys.

Hope I havent missed any one - I wish you well.

I need a sleep - they gave me valium and I cant even walk a straight line at the moment!

:pray:

Congratulations Shaz! Hoping like crazy that this is the one for you :crossfingers:

I'm also in the tww (had one day 2 embryo transferred) and the first week was pretty easy, but now it's starting to get to me. Trying not to let negative thoughts creep in. I am a pessimistic person by nature but we've had such a good run of luck with this cycle and I'm trying to remain positive! :pray:

Congrats on the twins Shaz!! ;) Let's hope they are sticky and you will celebrating in a couple of weeks!!

Willow, I'm hanging in there! When is your BT??
Today has been the worst by far of the TWW. For a few days I had some cramping and discomfort, but today has been awful. I have had an awful headache and the last hour at work I thought I was going to bring up my lunch! lol The 45 minute drive home was the longest trip ever as I was just trying not to be sick. When I got home DH commented on how pale I looked. I've just had some panadeine and a bit of a lay down and I am beginning to feel a bit better. Don't think I stomach food though.
I'm so worried that it's going to be a BFN, but am trying to stay positive.
I had all the same symptoms last time (not quite as severe as today) and I know the embie did implant but then didn't stick. I don't want that to happen again. :(

Shaz - that's absolutely fantastic news. lets hope those twins are nice and sticky for you!!

Willow - that sounds like a pretty ordinary dream - les hope thats the only AF that visits you for a long time!

Megan - i really hope that all of that icky headache and nausea today were for a good reason.

i'm reading with great anticipation hoping that the TWW is over and positive for you all. mine should start next week sometime next week.

as for me - having a really bad day today - went to the dentist, hoping against hope that today would be my last visit (after 12 months of visits every 6 weeks) - unfortunately, the abcess and infection haven't cleared up, so i'm going to have to have surgery. i'm devastated - and pretty damn scared - if the IUI takes, which i'm hoping with all my heart that it does, what effects will anaesthetics and stuff have on a little bubba? i'm freaking out big time!

Hi BG - my good gf is a dental nurse and im preety sure that you cant have an anaesthetic when pg? but i will pm her and get her to drop you a line unless you have already started a thread for this? But good luck any way hun.

Megan, willow Shaz and all others in tww good luck thinking sticky thoughts.

Lou - good luck too

Megan and Kim - good luck for your bt and ultrasound

melb - wow how close is the wedding, you must be getting excited? I loove looooooove weddings esp organising them (only mine and thats one.lol) but if you need anything in thses last few day just give me a shout.

Well up date on me.............after haveing a positive surge line on OPK for the last 10 days (yes i know) i have been having many bt and ultrasounds but to no avail. i still havnt 'O' so what they are now thinking as im on CD 24 that i will transfer to a HRT cycle. after speaking to the nurse today my levels were 17 but five days ago they were 15 so thats not much of a rise in five days. (i get a little lost) so another bt on Friday but really didnt want to start the HRT but did today anyway. so ..................TF will be Monday some time...Yay cant believe it really although its been a very long time comming.

Hope all is well

Lou, that is so funny, I just PMed BG about the dental treatment LOL! Nice of you to think of me for her though :)

Honey, I'm so excited for you about Monday! Those OPKs must have been driving you mad! I will definitely follow your progress, but won't mention it to a soul.

Wishing all the rest of you girls lots of luck and babydust!

Hey there,

Shaz - congrats on your transfer, I love how + you are & I'm keeping everything crossed for you.

Lou - thanks for the good story on the IUI it's nice to hear a success story for a change.
I am still having the cramps on & off which is four days after IUI so I hope that's not too abnormal, because I was on chlomid for the first time this month I'm also not sure if that can bring cramps on.

WIllow - how far into your tww are you?

Megan - hope you are ok, sticky vibes to you.

BG - sorry about your bad news at the dentist, I can't give you any advice I'm afraid.

Jo - 27
Dh - 33
TTC #1 since June 2005
:pray: this will be the year!

Thanks sez xx and hope that help BG

thanks loula and sez - any help at the moment is really appreciated! i almost fell apart at the dentist when he told me i'd have to have surgery - it was just the last straw. we've gone hrough so much to get to the point where the IUI is happening in the next week, that it just didn't sit too well at all. i'm sure i'll be fine - i'm going in to see the surgeon next week with an open mind and a long list of questions!

Loula - i would be going nuts if i were you - i'm so not a patient person at the best of times - but your situation would just drive me insane. good luck for monday!

BG, I'm really sorry to hear about the dental work. I'm sure that they can find ways to work around things, just make sure you tell both the surgeon and the FS what's happening. You seem so much like me right now - stressing out and panicking when you don't have all the information. :hug:

I'm really hoping :pray: that our TWWers have success soon.

Just feeling a tad stressed out right now - my appointment is 11 hours away. I've got such mixed emotions right now, not sure what I'm thinking. DH has finished up his old job today, starts his new job on Monday, and he's quite happily offered to keep my mind off things tonight... I'll be off to bed shortly! ;)

BW

BW, hope your appt goes well tomorrow and you have a way forward at the end of it. It's difficult when you don't know what's going to happen and just want to get on with it so you can have a bub! :hug:

Best of luck for tomorrow BW although I am sure it will be fine.
Good luck to everyone else sniffing injecting or waiting.

I am now into day 5 of lucrin...I must remember to stop taking the pill on Saturday....Someone remind me cos I might forget, I seem to be popping so many pills and potions at the moment what with my diabetes, IVF and the naturopath.

Oh and why is it when you have an EPU rough date, everyone keeps sending invites to things for th same time. I swear I havent been out in twelve months and all of the sudden everyone loves me and wants me to go to their function, which is great but could they love me a week later!!!!!

i know what you mean about the invites Mel - we've had a month of nothing on the weekends, and now that we know that we'll probably have the u/s and IUI this weekend, every man and his dog has asked us to something or other - it's just so full on!! Will do my bestest to remind you to stop taking the pill on Saturday

BW - i really hope your FS appointment today went well

Appointment went really well.

I'm going to have to race out for acupuncture shortly, but I'm starting synarel tonight, stopping the pill on Sunday and back on the 19th (at some ungodly hour of the morning!) for injection lessons and blood tests. Feeling happy, and surprisingly calm (I think lunch with BB girls helped immensely there), even though I know I've got information leaking out of my brain at a vast rate of knots!

BW

there's a few of us on the synarel and injections at the moment - i'm sure we'll give you extra tips if you need them!! so glad to hear your appointment went so well BW. Enjoy your accupuncture session!

Hi,

I've been lurking but not posting...and I've finally decided to post. I've got my 1st appt to start IVF next Friday. It will be Day 22 of my cycle and I'll be starting the drugs then. I've been trying not to think about it, but haven't been very successful. I'm still holding some hope that we'll fall pg naturally this month and won't need to go through with it.

BW - so glad to hear that you're starting.

Briggsy's girl - GL with your IUI this weekend.

melbel - you're not too far in front of me... GL with it.

GL to everyone on here. I'm sure I'll get to know you all better soon.

SJ

We meet again, Sammi Jane! I'm glad you finally decided to join us. Good luck with everything. We're off to see Leah now...

BW

Hi there Sammi Jane and BW. Well Im off and running with my syranel. I dont really notice the taste, my problem is that for 1/2 hour after I take it I want to sneeze, its really irritating my nose- I think it could be part psychological!

I know that some of you are have accupuncture etc, but I feel that im in denial about actually doing IVF. Now Im not really a drinker, Ive stopped smoking but I cant seem to quit the caffeine! Do you guys have any vices that you have quit or about to quit and do you indulge yourself with anything every now and again?

Kim, I had the same feeling with the synarel. I didn't get the taste for a while (it came on about 10 minutes later), but I straight away had the feeling of wanting to sneeze or desperately needing to blow my nose! That eased up after a while and I feel fine now. I think I'm getting a headache, but that could be from only having 4-5 hours sleep last night and not necessarily the synarel! I'm really excited and happy to be starting IVF, but then I think I only had 4-5 AFs last year, and one of them was induced by provera. There's absolutely no chance of anything happening the natural way for us, so to have started IVF I feel like I'm finally actually TTC for real!

No real vices here, but the one thing I did have to quit was sugar! I use stevia to sweeten my tea, and no longer drink fruit juice. I now drink lots of water, milk (low fat, of course!), and if I have soft drink, it's coke zero on the orders of my FS. Still a bit of caffeine happening, but most days it's just the one cup of tea.

BW

BW - good to hear your appointment went well, I'll be starting IVF for the first time too shortly so i'll be watching your posts with interest!

Dream bub - hope you're feeling well rested today and those two little blasties are setteling nicely in there

Willow - how are you feeling? Not long to go now, hHope the end of tww brings you some good news

Megan - Hope you were feeling ill yesterday for a good reason. When do you have your BT?

BG - sorry to hear that you have to have surgery, sounds like you've been through a fair bit - i have a dentist phobia I'm not sure that i could handle visiting one every 6 weeks! Hope it doesn't interfear with your IUI

Loula - fingers crossed that your levels keep rising, good luck with your transfer on Monday.

Jo - how are you going?

Mel - goodluck with the EPU hope it goes well

Sammi - welcome to the thread. Fingers crossed for a BFP before next Friday!

KimB - sorry i can't help with the coffee addiction - i can't stand the taste of it! I did give up smoking last year though, that was really hard.

Twomums - good luck with the BT and ultrasound

Sorry to everyone i missed, the page won't go back any further, hope you're all doing well. Looks like there is heaps of girls in the TWW at the moment - hopefully this means we'll have a whole heap of BFPs in here very soon.

Not much happening here. We had our appointment with the FS last Monday and we now have a IVF start date - he's going to start me on the meds on 30th April, was going to do it a month earlier but i'm going to be at work by myself for most of April so it would be too hard to take a day or two off (how many days do you need off? I was hoping to get away with one but FS suggested i may need 3 - i really don't want to tell work whats going on so i'm going to have to develop some kind of mystery illness!). I've had a few mixed feelings about it and DH went away for work pretty much straight after our appointment so i haven't really had a chance to talk to anyone about it. Had a good chat to my acupunturist tonight though and am feeling much better about it all - i'm sure i'll have a stack of questions for you girls in the coming months!

Boo - i'm so glad you've got a start date for your IVF cycle - it might seem like a long way off at the moment, but this year is flying by so quickly already, i'm sure it will be here before you know it! i know what you mean about not wanting your work to know what's going on too - i ended up having to tell a couple of managers that we were going through assisted conception (it was the only way to get any flexibility with work), and they knew we were starting things recently. with everything that has happened to both DH and i health wise lately, i've been able to tell a little porkie pie and say that treatment has been put off indefinitely while we get everything else under control - and now when i need to change days off or leave early/arrive late, i'll be saying i have another dentist appointment (i figure what they don't know won't hurt me!!) - as for the dentist phobia - i used to think i was fine, but with all the treatment i've had this past year, i think i've developed a bit of a phobia too - when the dentist said yesterday that i'd need surgery and that he was going to get me an appointment with the surgeon in the next few days, i had a pretty major panic attack (it would have been bad enough being told i needed surgery, but to be told, after 12 months, that it is urgent and needs to be seen to straight away...... just didn't sit too well) - will be talking to both FS (or his nurse) and dental surgeon about how the surgery will affect IUI treatment. here's hoping it won't!!

Boo, I really think that's the beauty of a forum like this. You can see others go through what's coming up for you so you have some idea of what to expect, rather than walking straight into a great big scary unknown. As for what to tell work, even though I've told the people in charge, I'm not making it publicly known that we are doing IVF (tell the wrong teacher and all the kids will know, and that I DO NOT want!). The public line is that I'm "having tests" (which is true!), EPU will be talked about as a "medical procedure", perhaps even minor surgery. Of course people will ask what it's all about, but I'm sure I can put them off with an "I don't wish to discuss that" or perhaps even a "I hope you'll understand one day". I don't think it will be too hard.

I didn't have quite so good a time with the synarel today. Last night I took it and sat quietly with my head tilted back for a bit. This morning I took it and straight away had to jump up and get breakfast... Tilting head back for a while is a VERY wise idea! I got so much taste afterwards this morning that I nearly started dry wretching. I think I'll have to slightly reorganise my morning so that breakfast is in front of me ready to eat as soon as I take the synarel... ick! I can still taste even after I've finished eating!

BW