Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception - January 2009

Hi guys,

I'll have to catch up on where everyone is up to - but in the meantime - Good Luck and :pink-babydust:!!!!

I'm doing another FET and trying accupuncture this time to see if that helps!

Baby Dreamtime - I just wanted to say a big thank you to you for your advice last week.:hug:
:wall:I went to see my FS last week armed with info regarding further tests and it all ended rather sadly. He told me that further tests were basically a waste of time and at this stage there was no need for me to try anything "radical". I just need to be more persistent. He also told me that because of my age - I should really focus on it this year (That's why I was there!!!! I'm perfectly aware of how old I am - hence why more tests!). I was so upset - I had always really liked my FS and everyone talks so highly of him, but he obviously isn't that interested.... I'm doing my last FET with him now and looking for a new FS who may be a little bit more on my side. DH & I were really shocked. It's a bit frustrating having to change FS, but I want someone who will do some tests and actually listen to me.

I have another question for you - were the majority of your tests blood tests? I was thinking that since I have to go back to GP to get a referral to someone else, perhaps she can organise the tests so that I'm not wasting more time when I see the new FS?

Sorry to babble on.

Once again, I hope to catch up with you all soon so we can share this journey to BFP land together!

Tarn

Hi Tarn,
Gosh, so sorry to hear that about your FS, how frustrating. I think you have very real justification for pushing for more tests. All of the tests for failing to implant that I listed in my email were requested by my FS, I don't know if a GP can ask for these. However they were at my own cost, about $580 all up through QML, so perhaps there is no reason why a GP can't write it up if it is not on Medicare ie if you are paying for it, if that makes sense. These tests can be done anytime of the cycle, so if it means you can't request them until you see a new FS, at least you could get the tests done the same day.

I had all the other standard tests ie Prog, E2, Prolactin, TSH, FSH, T3 and T4 etc etc on Day 2 and Day 21 as well these were more just to check what my base line levels were. I requested these through my GP and they were on Medicare.

The only other idea I have which I hopefully won't need to try is getting an endometiral biopsy to check if my endo is in sync with my cycle and that embroys are being transfered at the right stage relevant to the stage my endo is at. I haven't done much research on this yet but have heard that this can impact on implantation as there is only that small window of opportunity that embryos can implant. This might be worth looking into also.

I will praying that you won't need these test and that this FET will be the one. Hugs xx

Hi TLO

Just read your post and wanted to let you know that I know exactly how you feel. I have just left the IVF clinic in Brisbane that I was attending because my FS told me the same thing. That all the tests for failure to implant were a waste of time. Not only did his information upset me but also his attitude to the whole thing. Especially since i only recently transferred clinics to see him as I was told he was 'one of the best'

I am now about to go back to my original FS who is more than happy to test for any ideas that i have . Even if they are just to rule things out.

Hope you can find yourself a clinic and FS that will work with you - it makes all the difference.

Hi ladies

We have a sticky thread on immunology testing in the LTAC area that members have added too over the last few years but it has been dormant for a while. There is some interesting information in there that may be of use for you.

Also if you were able to take the time, it would be valuable for other members to have the information you may have gained from your own investigations included in this thread which wont disappear when this thread ends.

I think I will also bump it to see if we can added valuable learnings for us all.

HERE it is.

BDT I hadn't heard of the endometrium test for synchronisation. I would be really interested to hear what you find out.

TLO I have moved FS twice and never regreted taking some control in my own treatment. Good luck with it all.

xx

BDT, Mollygirl and Dusty - thank you so, so much for your responses. I really appreciate your support and advice.

Thats a great thread too. I'm really keen to see what else is out there.

I've noticed you are both on the GC and I don't think we are allowed to put down names of Doctors into this forum? I haven't worked out how to private message someone (I've tried - just can't seem to work it out) - but if you know how to (as I'm sure its probably very simple!)- are you able to let me know which FS you have both seen? I work in 8 Mile Plains so it's half/way between Bne and GC - perhaps I can travel to GC?

Once again - thanks and my thoughts are with you.

Tarn.

Hi TLO - i think you need to have more posts before you can PM

The clinic i just left was Monash IVF at Sunnybank and the FS was Dr Dunphy

My old FS (the one I am going back to) is Michael Flynn at Fertility Gold Coast at Pindara Hospital - he is wonderful

Hope this helps

TLO - just wanted to agree with the others. You DESERVE to be listened to by your FS. After all, they are working for and being paid by YOU!! I would defnitely seek more testing. My lastest lotto is "no regrets". I have explored just about every test just to rule things out so I don't have any regrets. Flew to Sydney last yr to have NK cell testing done and was suprised to get a positive result. At least I can now try some treatment and pray this gives me a baby. You do need a FS who is behind you all the way to try new things. the last thing you need on this tough journey is to have to fight for everything or feel that you are not fully supported by the one person who may hold the key to your success.
Hoping you don't need anymore help ( that next cycle will work) but if not, then BOL finding a great new FS

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Hi Girls,

Well it is busy times in here which is great....

Dutchie - thanks for your good wishes and I hope everything falls into place for you for Feb
Kelly D - hope your AF showed up after the Provera (it's interesting how many of us have been on it)
Sara69 - I really hope so much for you that you have great news on Wednesday and those embies are doing the right thing and growing into gorgeous bubbas
Mollygirl - hope Provera does the job for you too and it shows up very soon
Meredith D - also hope Provera has been kind to you - I am amazed that it worked for me as so many things haven't in the past, so I hope your experience is good too!
Neptune - great to hear from you, and I hope the double dose of Puregon does the job - I really understand the frustration of cancelled cycles - the awful feeling of being stuck and not moving forward.:wall:
Wouldloveabubba - Good luck with the flare cycle and I hope the Gonal F is good for you - I found it not too bad once they got the dose right

AFM - I am on Cycle day 2 after the almighty Provera actually worked and AF showed up yesterday - on the 3rd day since finishing the tablets. So to all the Provera girls - LOTS of luck - it's such a bizarre feeling being elated to get AF, but when you have such troublesome cycles it really is a relief to feel like you are making some progress. Well that's how I feel anyway. So I start jabbing tomorrow with a nice low dose of Gonal F - 75 iu as I am prone to overstim. However I am not doing a stim cycle, I am doing an FET however the Progynova didn't work so FS trying this instead as a way to get my lining to prepare. I am booked in for a scan on cycle day 10 to see how I am responding to the Gonal F. I am feeling really positive as I don't like the alternative IFKWIM. The way I figure it is if I don't get a BFP this time I am going to be disappointed regardless of how positive I am so I might as well be positive in the meantime as it makes the journey much more pleasant to think good thoughts instead of bad...
So in the spirit of positivity - I am really looking forward to welcoming my embies with an open heart later this month!
Hugs to all - 2009 is going to be fab!:dance:

Saph, just wanted to quickly drop in to wish you all the best for insemination today.

Babydust to everyone hope you're going well whereever you are in your cycles.

AFM: Really stressed as I don't know what my embies are doing, really hope that one keeps growing until tomorrow and tests okay.

Sara

Good luck Saph :pray:

Sarah, I am crossing everything for you :goodluck:

sara: fingers crossed for wed.
hope: what a pain with all that waiting to find out sperm results. it's good to get some answers
saph: hope your trigger went well. good luck. when do you find out?, is it now a TWW. hope you get some good results.

tlo: hope you find a good fs. what a pain. good luck to you
babydreamtime: not long til bt, hope you coping ok in TWW.
mollygirl: glad you found good fs.
2009 is the year to shine remember, this is going to be a good year.

aleenta: glad af came. it's good to be positive and i agree with you better to be like that than constant worry. good luck to you , hoping for a BFP

sara: forgot to say, good luck with your embies

afm:well still not doing much, school hols are hard, but lots of sleeping in for me and went for a bike ride the other day and doing well with my healthy eating.

having a break from ttc til march

Hi ladies

Saph - good luck for today

Sarah - Im sending positive thoughts your way, and hoping those little embies are going well

Neptune - How you going cycle buddie .. Big scan week for us

Hi to everyone

Hi wouldlove, yes big week for us! I'm feeling slightly bloated already, hope it's a good sign! :pray:

Well thanks for the +ve vibes. Just got back from the clinic, didn't sleep a wink last night so feel pretty trashed right now think I might go and have a sleep.

IUI was pretty painless and I took less time than DH at the clinic as we were doing the child shuffle with DS as we have no-one to babysit him. Also found out that I have an inverted 'aussie' (spelling and i have no idea what it is) in my cervix so nurse had to prod around to get it to go the right way. I wonder I wonder if this has been the problem the whole way along.

Any way bloods on monday to confirm ovulation and final bloods on 29th of Jan, but as this is my first day back at work I am n ot having them until the 31st. Fingers crossed for the TWW.

Sara still thinking of you praying that little embies are doing the right thing. will check on you tommorrow to see how you are going.

Saph: well done, sounds like things went really well. Hope you are right and the nurse did the right thing this time. Keeping fingers crossed for you.

Sara

Hi Sara, praying for you and your little embies, GL tomorrow! Thinking of you

Hi Girls

Sorry I have't dropped in for a couple of days. Life has been really busy at the moment for me. Our house settlement is this friday so am still trying to pack and plan as much as possible. Also, I have had a job interview for a new Full Time position closer to home. So will see how I go... What with juggling moving and all this fertility stuff as well life is pretty hectic.

Aleenta: Congrats on AF turning up after 3 days. I know all about the progynova not working properly. For my last cycle it took until day 24 for ther lining to be the minimum required 9mm.

Meredith: Thanks for remembering about the possible change in protocol. My FS has decided for this FET to see if we can mimic a natural cycle by using clomid and hoping that this makes my lining grow at the correct rate. He seems to think that the previous transfers might not have had optimum lining thickness to make them either implant or stay implanted. I'll see how I go this time, but if it doesn't work again then I will be asking for more investigation as we will have then used almost half of our original 15 embryo's (which I think is a lot with no result).

AFM: Well I'm still waiting for AF to arrive. Today is now 8 days since the last provera tablet. I rang the clinic yesterday and asked how much longer I should wait... Was told it can take up to 10 days to arrive (AHHHHH) and if not here by Friday to call to discuss another option. I have been getting that nagging feeling that she will be here soon but I've had that feeling for the past 5 days and not even a sign she is on her way. Why oh why does my body not like to cooperate either by itself or when medication is involved. If she does arrive on Friday it woudl be the worst possible day as for me as I have soo much to do.......:doh:

Hi Sara69 - Your news is fantastic, I knew it would be! how did yesterday go? Fingers crossed for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Friday night I was in pain with cramping now ok but taking the progesterone pesseries which give me really sore nipples (Sorry if tmi) Blood test isn't until 2/2 What a wait! Im sure I will do a hpt before then.

Has anyone heard about 21&ttc? did she get a BFP on her blood test??? hope so.

take care

KellyD - I am with you on the darn AF. I have used provera plenty of times before and always get AF 2 days after stopping . Should have been due today and I have every AF symptom, including horrible cramps but only a tiny bit of spotting. Wondering if this is goint to be it? Hope yours shows up soon. 10 days sounds like an awful long time to wait?! can't you at least have BT to see what levels are doing?

Hi Ladies,

Just wanted to drop in and say hi to everyone. Sorry no personals tonight. I've left it a bit late tonight and should have already gone to bed.

AFM: Not much is happening with me at the moment. Will be doing blood and scans tomorrow morning in preparation for an FET in the next week, not sure when yet, or how it works exactly as this is my first FET :pray:

Wish me luck and I'll let you know how it goes. DH and I need some good news. Hopefully this is what we've been waiting for.

Bye!

Good Morning Everyone

Toby: 21 is posting in the pg thread now.. I don't think she is having her BT until this week, but as she is still posting all must be going well for her.

Meredith: I know what you mean about the 10 days (grrrr). Although I started getting really bad cramping pains yesterday afternoon and am still in agony today. Normally when I get this much pain AF normally shows up with a vengence. However only slight staining at the moment so am now really confused. I'm hoping that it starts full on today so I can start the clomid tomorrow.

Hope everyone is doing well and not stressing out too much...

Hi girls,

Just a quick update, will catch up with personals later today: got a call from the clinic and the rollercoaster continues, we have one early blasto graded okay, one early blasto which is a bit fragmented and graded poor and another one which is still just numbers of cells and also graded poor. We'll find out this afternoon if any of them has grown enough for biopsy tomorrow so please keep fingers crossed for me.

What I am trying to see as a real positive out of this is: while two are graded poor and probably nothing is going to come our of them and one is only graded okay and none good at least we've basically still three out of three in the running - the third one hadn't done anything until Monday, so at the moment feeling okay but will probably run up the walls in the afternoon.

Going to have a nap now - basically had no sleep last night so worried have I been.

Sara

Hi there,

should be doing work but procrastinating!

JBM - well done on the healthy eating - it can be so hard to be disciplined especially around hol time

Saph, well done, it's sounding good for you and fingers crossed

Toby - GL for upcoming FET

Sara69 - sending you lots of positive vibes, well done on making it this far and I have everything crossed you make it to biopsy tomorrow :pray:

Meredith and KellyD - wishing your AF to show herself - hopefully it won't be too much longer!! It can be so frustrating:wall:

AFM - just happily jabbing away....
Hugs to all
x

Sara: :pray: that you have some fighters who keep growing for you.

Aleenta: Hopefully we will be TWW buddies very soon.

AFM: Yay, finally AF has arrived and have rung the clinic to get this cycle started. 1st scan booked for next Friday 23rd to see if any follicles are growing and hopefully everything goes to plan this time, so start Clomid tomorrow (not looking forward to the side effects, they hit me hard with clomid). We are getting 2 more transferred again this time, so hopefully if we don't lose any in the thaw (luckily for us we haven't lost any yet) then we will have used 7 of our 15 embryo's. We only have 3 day 3's left, so if this one doesn't work we will be on our day 5 backup's...

Better go now and take some more panadol, the cramps are quite bad at the moment and the heat in Victoria today isn't helping much either...

Good afternoon girls.

Its been awhile since Ive posted but having been lurking and catching up on everyones progress.

Meredith - Hope AF has properly showed up today so you can get things moving.

Aleenta - happy jabbing!!!!

Sara - Have my :crossfingers: for you. Hope you get some good news this arvo.

Kelly - Good luck with your house move and job interview. You have lots on your plate! Glad AF arrived and hope all goes to plan :D

JBM - Hope the healthy living is going well

Spring - Good luck with your scan and blood test today. Hope you get the results you need to have your FET next week.

Toby - that is a long wait. Hope it flies by for you.

Saph - hope your doing ok.

Hello to anyone I have missed. Hope your travelling well

AFM, started my stim cycle on 22 December. Am on the pill and syranel at the moment. Stop the pill tomorrow so AF should arrive Monday. Scan booked in for 21 Jan and go from there. Hope to start Gonal on the 22nd. Im trying acupunture this time round. Have never had it before. Its both relaxing and a weird sensation! Am having it done with Justin Keane through the Belly Belly Centre. He's nice. Im hoping for a birthday miracle as Im expecting ET in early Feb so BT should be around the middle of the month and my birthday is on the 18th. Would be a GREAT present.

Take care,

Tania

Hi ladies,

Just letting you all know that my TWW is over, unfortunately AF has just arrived after my latest stim cycle. This was my 5th ET. I am totally devastated and trying to keep it together at work.

I hope to be back in a month to try an FET with my last 3 blasties. Wishing you all well in your cycles and coming TWWs.

I'm sorry Babydreamtime :hug: I wish you all the best for the next one

Keep crossing fingers for me girls, one of my blasties made it, the biopsy is this morning, It's now 50 to 50.

Sara

Morning Ladies :

Baby DT I am so sorry af arrived, thinking of you

It is going to be a hub of activity in here in a few weeks time, good luck to everyone

AFM:
Had our scan this morning and follies are going really well
R= 8 follies ranging from 12mm to 15
L= 6 follies 12 mm each
Endo = 8ml
EPU next Tues, I am trying accu this cycle,
Oh I hope this is it

wouldloveabubba - that's great news!

Baby Dreamtime - I'm sorry to hear your news.Thoughts are with you and DH.

sara - good luck for this morning- look forward to hearing your good news

BullieJ - thanks for your reply, I havent spoken to you in ages, how are you, what are you up to this month ?

Hi Wouldloveabubba - I'm fine - AF has returned to normal - I'm in my 2nd AF cycle right now post m/c. My FS would have started my next IVF cycle this month, but I have a horrible stretch at work (stressful) until the end of Jan, so we've decided to wait a cycle - will start next IVF in Feb. In the meantime, we've been trying on our own without assistance...looks like we still need some medical help as we've had no luck yet - oh, well - at least it's no longer a disappointing surprise - it's just confirmation of our accepted reality.
Hi to everyone else.

Sara: :pray: the results on your 1 remaining blasty are positive for you.

BDT: So sad for you, hopefully you will feel up to trying for your dream shortly.

WLAB: Good luck on Tuesday, hopefully you will get some good eggies.

Miss M: Yay for you that you have your new cycle organised. We will probably be TWW buddies as I anticipate my FET will be on the 27/28 January. I'm also hoping for an early B'day present as my birthday is also on the 18th Feb. How old will you be (if you don't mind me asking)??

So everyone please send lots of wishes to Miss M & me to get the best Birthday present....

im sorry for the bad news dreamtime
sarahxxx

Girls,

Thank you very much for your support, couldn't have done it without you - unfortuntately didn't work out this time, the embryo was affected with the bad gene.

Since I really got my hopes up this morning I crashed pretty badly. It just felt so unfair, it's 50/50 and worked out badly for me, my sister, my 1st pregnancy which I had to terminate and now my blastie.

Already feeling a bit better, went for a swim during the thunderstorm was pretty dramatic with really dark clouds, rain but sunshine - it felt kind of cleansing.

So trying to concentrate on the positive things: while my 1st cycle was cancelled, this one worked out alright. I had only three eggs but they seemed to be of good quality and althought DP had originally a bad SCSA result, Menevit, fruit juice and PICSI seems to have done the trick. So will be hoping for 3rd time lucky!

Hope you're all doing well, for now lots of

:bluedust: :pink-babydust: :bluedust:

Sara

Sara: Sorry to hear the news about your little blasty. To go through soooo much and to get a "not good" result must be shattering. I suppose the only fortunate thing for you is that you can find out so early of any problem and hopefully process the information instead of having to undergo a termination, like your first pregnancy. Hopefully, when you try again your body will now know the drugs and produce lots more eggies for you and then get your longed for angel in your arms.

Sara i am so sad for you, take some me time and look to the future. I am a firm believer in fate and that it will happen when the time is right for everyone.

Hi Everyone,
I mentioned on another thread that we have been TTC for 5 months now - not long but we decided to have some tests- Hubby has ogliospermia with poor quality sperm and poor motility and liquefaction. I also have two fibroids in my uterus.

I have my first FS appointment tomorrow morning with Dr Richardson at Pivet (in Perth)

I am excited and can't wait, although this all seems very daunting. I have done quite a bit of reading and am a little worried about the injections and nasal spray. I hope you don't mind me post in on here, I haven't been TTC for that long, but we still have to see a FS.