Ray - welcome and i hope your dreams for no #4 happen soon....
Me - i cant believe how much i want AF to arrive! bring it on....then i can start my natural FET...
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Ray - welcome and i hope your dreams for no #4 happen soon....
Me - i cant believe how much i want AF to arrive! bring it on....then i can start my natural FET...
hi all i am new here and just wanted to say Heloo and wish everyone the best of luck, my husband and i are 25 and have been trying to conceive for 13 months, i have been on clomid 4 times as i wasnt ovulating properly, i ovulated 3 out of the four times but no pregnancy, i had a laproscopy on thurs and everything came back clear but hubbies SA came back only 19%motility and 98% abnormal, so they sent us to an ivf doctor and looks like we might be starting it in september ( as i am going overseas soon ) But it will be icsi not ivf unless hubbys sperm imporves in the mean time! Children have always been the centre of my life and that is alli have ever wanted to do was to be a mum, we would have started long ago but we wanted to set ourselves up first house etc. We are both 25 and healthy( hubby does play rugby union and trains ALOT so we are wondering if that has abything to d o with it and he had a cold when he did the SA ) not to make excuses though. Anyway just wondering if anyone has been through ivf or starting and i am wondering the process and time frame
best of luck to all xoxox
i'm sorry if i offended anybody writing because i kept getting pregnant.
ray
Hi Sparkles and welcome.
I'm relieved to see find someone else in my position almost exactly. Your hubby has almost identical results to me (I'm the token bloke here). I've got 100% defects (96% head defects) with motility of 44%, which was better than my first test which was somewhere around the same as your hubby.
Until our second FS appt, we're not sure if we need ICSI or just plain IVF, as I've had more extensive testing done with the andrology people. She seemed to think IVF was still an option, and she also said that falling pg naturally was also still a possibly - which quite frankly seems impossible in my opinion.
I gather that for ICSI, defects of the tail and mid section are irrelevant so I'm hoping one of the 4% without head defects will be up to the job and imagine your hubby would be in the same boat. I don't believe having a cold would affect the outcome for your hubby's test, but I am no expert.
We're both 26 and been TTC for exactly the same time as you. We even held off until we got our first home, same as you! We think we will also be starting IVF or ICSI around September as well. As for your hubby's sporting stuff, I've wondered exactly the same thing because I spent most of last year training really hard with running, and lost a lot of weight in the process. I play sport, eat well, am fit and all of that but it just seems to be luck of the draw.
Keep us informed of how things are going. I am really interested to know as our cases are so similar. If I can help with any info at all based on the bit we have learnt recently please ask.
Ray - I just thought it was ironic that's all! All the best with your treatment as well.
Welcome aboard, Im new here too, mainly reading everyone elses posts. It's never nice to be in this position, but it's good to know that there are other young people out there going through this. Every book that I have picked up has focused on 'advanced maternal age', there is barely any mention of a 20 year old like me not being able to fall naturally. I'm so over people telling me "you have heaps of time". Sorry vent over, just frustrated at in-laws today.:
Bed, don't worry, we all get fed up with muppets asking questions about stuff which has nothing to do with them. People think it's this god given right to interrogate you about your family/private life. I just fob everyone off and say I don't want kids yet. Shuts them up.
Rols, my DH does exactly the same thing... frightened the life out of me when I saw him do it at a wedding today - but then I realised what he was doing...
BW
hi all thanks for the welcome
Wow Rols we are in a very similar situation!!! thats good to know that we have eachother to swap stories with, did yougo for further tests to see what abnomal sperm you have?
and i am also sick of people saying lucky your young...i dfont care i wanted kids 5 years ago
All my friends are falling pregnant around me first go, its very hard even though i love alll their bubs sooo much i have another baby shower to go to next week and my best frineds 2nd bub is due in 4 weeks and she wants me in the room with her, i really dont think i can handle it. They will never understand the pain as i wouldnt have if i fell first go too. I am day 10 of cycle so hopefully i will ovulate on my own this month and we can still try naturally just incase then i go overseas so will miss a month, then when i get back we will get hubby tested again and go from there.
Rols- Have you spoken to docs about the icsi much?? how involved is it? expensive?
good luck and keep in touch xo
Rols - may i ask where your from? if you dont want to share no dramas !!
Bec, sorry, I called you "Bed". I can't type today.
BW - it's a fairly typical bloke thing I reckon. Good on him. Wish I knew more blokes in the same boat, because I just fob off all of the others except for my best mates who I have told and they are all awesome fellas.
Sparkles, I was so pleased to read your post. Not pleased that you guys are having trouble, but just pleased that someone else is having the same issues as me. Makes me feel like less of a leper.
OK, to answer your questions which I am very happy to do:
1. We live in Tasmania
2. I had two initial tests done at pathology. The first routine one which was the worst, then another 3 days later because I decided to. This one was better as far as motility but still crap for defects. I've since given another sample (I'm a factory) to the specialist andrology ppl and will get the results on the 19th. Not expecting any better, but perhaps a bit worse because apparently they "grade it harder" with specialist testing. The FS says its only to determine which treatment we need and not whether I can get the job done because she assures me that I can. Between the GP appts and the FS appt, I had convinced myself that I couldn't be a father, so just hearing that they could do something was awesome.
3. The abnormalities I've got are almost all to do with the head section (96%). 40% or thereabouts havie dodgy midsections and the tails are all pretty much OK. Which is pretty much like having a car with no engine I reckon.
4. ICSI adds about $500 to a standard IVF cycle, and the good news is as of last month I think, Medicare now covers it. However, we are with Sydney IVF and they charge mega bucks for anything (like $200 for an ultrasound the other day for my wife) so I guess it will still add more to the bill. That's not to say SIVF are bad, because we are very impressed so far. Not that we have any other choice on the island. The only other place that does IVF employs one of our old uni friend's as an IVF scientist!
5. ICSI not much more complicated than IVF. They just inject the sperm into the egg instead of letting the sperm enter on its own in a dish.
It seems heaps of ppl we know are pregnant, or have kids etc and we don't know anyone who has had trouble. But I guess you never do because most ppl keep it fairly quiet. WE all just notice the babies now, not the ppl who may or may not be struggling! Don't worry, what you are feeling is so normal and what everyone feels.
Don't despair, unless you both have massive issues (which you don't), IVF has a great success rate. My FS said my case is only mild to moderate in severity which staggered me. I think it's safe to assume that your bloke could be described similarly. Whatever you do, live life normally and don't let it consume you. Chances are, you'll get there in the end.
Definitely stay in touch, I'm so pleased you posted!
Rols- hee hee, so you have two heads too hey?? I am also a tassie girl, but moved to Syd a couple of years ago. I did some work with the ivf docs down there bout three years ago, before i knew anything much about it, let alone knowing that one day id be doing it!!
Hi Sparkles!! I am kinda new here too, even though have been following the posts for last 2-3 months. I am 26 and DH is 27. I have endometriosis- never knew i had it until last year when was seeing gynae about other stuff...then had a lap in Nov to remove all adehsions etc... We have been trying to fall preg since Dec 05, and my gynae said, just to exclude any male probs, would also check DH sperm. Then probs started....he has triple defect abnormalities. So met FS in Jan, and completed first IVF cycle in Mar, then had m/c in Apr :( About to do our first FET this month or next. We had to use ICSI. Like Rols said, Medicare are now covering some of the costs so that is added benefit. Nothing about ivf is cheap :( It pretty much sucks. But you have to think of the benefits in long run. The costs increase depending too, if you have embryos transferred at day 5- which are blastocysts, i think for us that cost an extra 600 dollars out of pocket, but also has a higher success rate. With IVF aus, we paid money up front for a full cycle and that included cost of everything, including all u/s and blood tests. But there are hidden costs too like hosp excessed and anaesthetist bills. Just make sure you have a credit card!! With a good limit, so you have extra money if you need it! Hey also, my DH also plays a lot of sport, really into fitness. He rides quite a bit and does a lot of running, dont think it makes much of a diff. If you have any other questions feel free to ask, might be able to answer some. We have same problem as in we are still youngish and people question why we want kids so young??? It is so frustrating grrr.
Welcome too Ray, hope everything goes well for you.
BW- only few days left??? How are things going?
Very up and down, Mel. Thanks for checking on me.
One minute I can be absolutely convinced the transfer has worked, the next utterly devestated because I just know it has failed... just trying to keep myself distracted for now.
Welcome to sparkles and ray - missed you earlier - oops! :redface:
BW
Have my fingers and toes crossed for you BW. I got a BFN on the Monday before my BT on the Friday. I called the nurses and just asked them if it was likely to be right, one of the nurses said, sorry hun, its prob right :( wow was i upset. But for some reason, i tested on the Wed (with the digital one)- and a BFP!! The ones where you have two lines can be so frustrating, id always double triple even after the ten mins heee. But the dig ones always right. Dont give up yet, as some of the girls on here have said, some dont even get a positive urine test, only positive BT's. Go eat some yummy choccies and give DH a cuddle.
Hey Everyone!
Just checking in to see how everyone is - we haven't had any electricity for 24hrs... its all back on now, though but OMG!!!
No phone line & no electricity... I was starting to wonder what we were going to eat for dinner - everything in our cupboards required some type of electricity to cook it... and our shopping centre has been closed due to the storms & flooding!!!
Its not wonderful on the Central Coast at the moment, but am feeling sympathy for those in Newcastle....
ANYWAY!!!
Just wanted to say hi to everyone & welcome to you newbies... I hope you guys aern't here for too long ;)
The people on this thread are truly amazing, and it is just a gift to have the daily encouragement, advice & well wishes that everyone so selflessly offers.... You will find everything you need on the compassion side of things right here ;)
BW - How are you holding up???!!!!! Hoping that the wedding today gave you a little distraction from everything.. and hoping that noone was insensitive (re. baby comments - People always seem to come from all directions with their baby questions at events like these!) Hope everything is going ok and you're keeping positive xxx
Thanks so much to all of you who have mentioned my post after returning from Melbourne... DH & I have talked about it non stop since we came home, and are both in such good minds about it all!!
To everyone else that I've missed, a big:hello:
Hope everyone is great and snuggled up somewhere warm & dry!!!
Talk Soon,
Love Holly
xxx :D
Good Evening
Just thought i would pop my head in quickly.. Welcome to all the new additions!
BW - Good luck hun almost over :goodluck:
Holly - So glad things went well you sounds so happy and confident its wonderful to hear!
Everything ok here away on holidays for the long weekend catching up with the folks, unfortunately i'm Epileptic and had a seizure on Thursday the first time in 3 years which was horrible and was extremely embarrassing as i was at my desk at work! arghh oh well a great way to leave the job! But very cute ambos..and one of them was doing IVF as well lol.. hehehe
Nothing here on the ttc front just herbs, and apupuncture oh and BD'ing... maybe we will get a miracle before October when we ride the IVF rollercoaster again!
Also just wanted to say agreed agreed on the young and doing IVF, 22 here and TTC for almost 3 years.. DH 25 and AC for 18months.. and who knows it could take another 3 years and then i may not have been so young... :)
Hi all
Thanks so much for everyones encouragement, it really helps, we are from Brisbane and have just got in contact with Monash IVF. Rols- I am so happy we found you too as now i have a guys perspective to share with hubby, as its so hard on the men too!!
Hi Happymel!! so you are also in a similar situation im sorry to see you m/c are you going to go through it again soon?
Hi Hollybolly and bec and ray and butterfly warrior- i wish you all the best of luck
I will keep everyone posted as i said hubby is not getting tested again for another four weeks but we will start him on vit c and more zinc and going to send him to an accupuncturist and try chinese medicine. Its all worth a shot
I go back to my normal gyno in three weeks then to the ivf clinic on the 20th August. In the mean time we will try and stay positive that it can happen on its own, but if not i am confident ivf can help us achieve our life long goal
xoxo
Hi Shannon
May I ask your story? i pray your cycle in October works hun...looks like a few of us will be going through it around the same time
hi all - and a big welcome to the newbies - i really hope your time on the AC roller coaster is short and that you get your much awaited BFP's soon!
would love to do some personals, but i just can't seem to keep up with everyone at the moment, so going to just say GOOD LUCK to everyone for wherever they are in their cycle! i've just gotten home from a very long 24 hours at "work" with DH - carting livestock across VIC - and i'm sooooo tired! on the upside, i think the IUI meds last month "might" have kick started my bod a little, cos i'm feeling similar twinges around my ovaries to what i did last month - am soooo hoping my bod is doing it's own thing and that we have a "natural" shot at TTC this month!
i'm not giving up hope of conceiving while we wait for the FS next set of instructions!
Has anyone here tried acupuncture and how did you find it?
I'm booked in for a session in a week or so, I was reading that it can increase your chances with IVF if you do it for the three months beforehand... I'm petrified of needles but I'm going to have to get over that somehow...
hey i do accupuncture and i am going to start hubby too, i think it is great and has really helped to regulate my cycle xo
3 sleeps to go BW!!! i cant wait..... goodness knows how your holding up.....
Good Morning,
Sparkles- Not a problem, I'm 22 Dh is 25 we have been ttc #1 for almost 3 years now, i have PCOS and DH has male factors, we were on clomid for 18 months (which worked great) until we found out about DH issues. Since then we have done 1 stimulated IVF/ICSI cycle which all went text book perfect except i didn't fall pregnant... hmm and then 1 cancelled FET (didn't respond to drugs) and then 1 FET and once again a BFN. Now we are having chromosone testing done and the dr's believe i am falling and then miscarrying. So i got myself a new job to try and reduce stress load and i see a acupuncture and chinese herbalist as well. Who has done wonders for DH.. hope that helps.. Im in Brissy too.. But going through City Fertility.
Hope everyone else is well and BW so close now!
Oh and Bec yep Acupuncture is great.. i was also needle phobic but IVF makes you get over that. Just don't look at the acupuncture needles. But yes regulated my cycles and made them painfree.. heaven i am in love with my guy!!
Hi all not really posting much at the mo, personel reasons which i will share through pm. To be honest not a lot happening other than i am full of cold and had so much to plan to do this weekend.
Welcome to all the new ladies, (im not counting you rols)hehe
Everything is looking great for you bw - cant wait to hear your BFP in three days.
Holly good to hear your news again, it gives me hope too.xx
Hi Lou,
I feel the same as you, but it's good to know you are popping in from time to time too.
I'll let you know when AF arrives because i'd love to share this cycle with someone ;)
Hi jo, i cant pm you as your not a member but if you click on my link you can email me and ill fill you in
just put a message up but know its goneWTF
Jo if you click on my name you will see my email if you ant you can email me thanks
oh there it is
hehehehehe
Got your PM Lou... replied, and I really wish I had answers for you. I miss you!
As for how I'm feeling... today I am so nauseous! I really can't remember if I felt this way last time... I know increased levels of progesterone could account for everything I'm feeling, and that doesn't mean anything one way or the other as to whether I'm pregnant or not!
Pee sticks are evil! Not long now, though... AF due Wednesday, would expect to see spotting on Tuesday if she's coming, possibly even on Monday night if I'm observant enough... This has been such a long, long, long week!
BW
I am so so excited for you BW all your signs are looking great and forgive me if im wrong but your NOT taking p4 are you, so i would guess that the rise in P4 is natural and that is only caused by being pg, hehe
Morning everyone...
BW - thinking of you, hope you're okay & look forward to hearing good news really soon :)
Ray - Welcome!
Sparkles & Rols - I am happy to read your posts cause my DH & I did the same thing. We were together 6 years before getting married & starting a family was always at the top of our list. But then we decided we would wait until we got our house & of course when we were ready things didn't go to plan. We have been trying for about the same time as you guys...frustrating isn't it?!?! I have PCOS but my DH was tested through SIVF & tests results not great so we are looking at starting IVF too...
It seems that all my friends are having their 1st & 2nd babies & it is so hard to be around them & be happy. My sister had an unplanned pregnancy last year - she is a single mum - and it took me a long time before I could be around her without getting upset. I now have a beautiful niece who is 6mths old & I love her but at the same time in the back of my mind I think it isn't fair. I guess you just have to cope the best you can. And it makes it easier having ppl on here to talk to who are feeling the same way.
Bec - I understand your frustration when ppl say you're 20 you have heaps of time. I am 29 in a couple of weeks & I am getting that from my docs. I feel like they think I am impatient but it shouldn't matter how old you are..it's what you want so you should be able to have it happen for you.
Holly...hope you are okay after the storms. I have friends from work that live central coast & newcastle & it is scary how devasting the weather was. Let's hope it's well & truly over now.
Mel - am I right in thinking you are going through IVFAust? If so where do you go & how are you finding them?
Think that's enough from me now...a big hug for everyone :grouphug:
BW - it's all sounding pretty good hun!! have everything crossed for you - and i'm so happy for you that you only have a 9 day 2ww - imagine what you'd be like with a 3 week wait!!
Lou - got your PM - will reply in a little bit (only just dragged myself out of bed after a big day yesterday, so need to have myself some brekkie!!)
Good luck BW.
Hey BW...just dropping in to say goodluck...all sounds really positive...hope the next few days fly by for you xxx
More obsessing and over-analysing to follow... Just want to say thank you to everyone who is wishing me luck, really appreciate the kind thoughts at the moment!
Lou, you are correct - I'm not on any form of progesterone... I only had one dose of crinone a week ago. I still can't quite figure out why our clinic does that, but they do...
Got to pondering how I felt when on trigger shots... and there was no nausea, breast tenderness, or anything - just the enormous great big hot red welts from the injection site. Which rather remind me of the hot spots that are my boobs and lower belly right now... Not having any of the moodiness I noticed while on provera... felt pretty normal while on primolut.
So... it all points to the conclusion that SOMETHING is different... I'm still half convinced it's all in my head and will probably continue to believe that until those damn HPTs turn positive...
BW
hehehe - i think we all over analyse EVERYTHING during the TWW BW - but hey - you've got lots to compare it to! you've done the trigger shot, you've done the provera and primulut, you've done a full cycle on Letrazole - so you have plenty to compare it against - and that's a really good thing - keep yourself positive hun - something is different - and different is good!!
keep your chin up - only a few more days til your BT!
Hi ali, well there seems to be alot of us in the same boat at least we have eachother xo i wish you the very best and keep me posted
BW- Goodluck hun..it sounds very positive
well i had yet again more bad news my uncle passed away last night ( thats three people in the last year-it has been awful) and i am going overseas in 5 weeks and was going to see him, just gotta keep positive and think its been all bad luck for 12 months it can only get better xoxo
Take it easy all and goodluck
That sucks Sparkles. Hope things get better.
Hey BW
I'm with everyone else...and i work in the education system too...if you have the day off, then it's making you the priority which you should be! After everything you've been through to get to the 13th, having the BT then going home to try and keep your head straight is much better than being responsibile for a classroom of students who have no idea what you're going through. And then depending upon the results, you can react how you need in the safety of your own home. Take the day i say!
Hi Alicat. Yeah with IVF australia at Chatswood. FS is dr porter and he is great, really friendly, honest and down to earth. But we dont get to see him much. When ever we have a question, for example after m/c, he was always available to talk, and wanted me to talk to him every couple days after d&c to tell him how things were going. I dont know the nurses very well, but most of were good, apart from the one i talked to on the phone once, who said i prob wasnt preg, but ended up i was!! Only other thing was that i had no idea at start that when we paid the money on day 1, that you couldnt claim on medicare until the cycle had finished, but as that was our first cycle it was all pretty new, and im guessing maybe most places do it like that.
Hey i also have a little nephew, 3.5 months, first time i saw him was when we got off plane the day after d&c, i was so upset i cried, and then i gave him big cuddle and ooo he is so cute. I love him but im still sad that its not us, and that we have been trying for ages.
Where are you thinking of doing IVF? i read that your husband had SA tests down with SIVF, all i know is that they are little bit more expensive.
BW- thinking of you :):crossfingers: