Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception - March 2007 #2

Mel That is the most stupid concept that you cant adopt because of your diabetes. Loads of hugs to you at this time.

BW Glad your weekend away as finished with those stupid insenstivie people.

Have been MIA as it was my birthday on the weekend. DH was a true gem. I got spoilt for the whole weekend although last night I was throwing up so not the best end to day. We also talked through about $ for IVF and how we are going to manage and about combinging some credit cards etc into a personal loan to save money on interest as we try to pay them off. Im beginning to think as well the Metformin isnt working! Ive had EWCM and yet no temp shift yet. Im going to a conference today but have no idea when im meant to be there, either im going to be very early or late if im still here typing.

*Ok, now my chart looks ok now i added in another temp!*

Mel - so sorry. I know that there is nothing that I can say that will make it better but you are in my thoughts :hugs:

Summer - yay for your DH spoiling you rotten - you really deserve it - specially since you were feeling so terrible last night. Good luck with sorting out the finances - DP and I have been looking at doing a similar thing and it is all so confusing, do we get a personal loan, redraw on the mortgage, start eating nothing but rice, sell off one of his kidneys, OK maybe I am going a bit far...:lol:

BW - yay for good results, finally that badly behaved body of yours is doing what it is told. Lets hope that the fact that you were aware of your ovaries means that it is all working really well.

Welcome Mon & Smudge & welcome back Carrie - it is great to have a successful veteran around to raise morale - we can do it, we can!

BG - my next appointment with the FS was moved to 9 May on Friday but I am still thinking that it is lucky because it was on your birthday before LOL

Hi everyone else - we really are a bustling little thread now - I have trouble keeping up

Mel - I'm so sorry. Life is such a b*tch sometimes... I hope the next one is your sticky bean!! Lots of hugs to you.

Kim - where are you off to you lucky thing? What a great idea, I'd love to. In fact I might have a look around for Easter.... How's your 2ww going?? When's your b/t date?

BW - glad to hear that everything is going to plan this time, that's great news.

SS - happy birthday for the weekend!! Glad DH spoilt you.

Loula - I hope AF has showed up - how strange saying that?! Ha ha.

Everyone else - thank you so much for your best wishes for my ET. It went well and we've got 3 frozen, so a fantastic result I think. Now I just need to wait.... arrghhh!!!

I've been on the crinone for a week now and I'm finding it really not that bad at all. I've got some cramping and sore swollen boobs but if you read the 'very common side effects' some are absolutely scary and I'm not having any of those, thank God!

Anyway, I'm sorry to everyone I've missed - there are so many of us at the moment. I hope everyone has a great day!

hi all

BW - don't fret about the clicking pen - it might just be a different design to mine!! as long as you felt the stuff go in (and on 150 you probably would to a degree) - all is good!

Summer - so glad you had a good birthday and that DH spoilt you so much! it's always nice to feel special isn't it? i already know i'm not technically going to be spoilt for my b'day - i have to work! i'm taking a week of leave for DH's birthday though, and we're going to queensland for a week - will celebrate my b'day then. he wants to go to the bundy distillery for a day, which i'm cool with. then we're going to the australia zoo and i'm going for a walk with the tigers!! i don't mind not getting spoiled on the day - i'm so looking forward to this!

Taffy - pity about your FS appointment being moved - won't have quite the same meaning from my perspective - but it's only been moved a day, so that's not so bad. it's one of my friends b'days that day, so it's still going to be a lucky day!

Sammi - glad the transfer went so well and that you're not having too many issues with the crinone. good luck in the TWW hun - fingers and toes crossed for you!

Two more days til i can start this roler coaster ride again...

Thinking of you Mel.

Hi All!
Sammi- Yay on the transfer going well and on the 3 frozen, that's great!! Now we'll all have to help keep you occupied over the tww!
BG- Just had a read of your TTC diary, so am now a bit more up with what’s happening with you. Gosh you’ve been through a lot over the last year or so, so hopefully things will start to settle down for you now! Only 2 more days for you now, YAY! Your FS sounds good, who are you seeing, if you don’t mind me asking?
Taffy- Hi there! Hope the wait til you start ICSI goes quick. Is this your first ICSI?
Summer- Great to hear that you were spoilt by your DH over the weekend, what a bummer being sick though! IKWYM with the whole money thing, it’s been getting me a bit down recently. We have so much we need to repair around the house at the moment but just can’t afford to. We are very lucky though, my MIL is desperate for us to do IVF and is helping us out heaps.
BW- How are you feeling today?
Keen- Great to see you around sweety, hope you are well. I see you are on your next IVF cycle. I hope it’s going well!

All is going well here, just keeping up with the syneral and gonalF and waiting for the scan on Thurday. I’m finding it a bit hard though, trying not to get my hopes up too much in case it doesn’t work, but then not wanting to be negative either. I just feel a bit like – we were so lucky last time around getting pg on the first ICSI that there is no way that it will happen again. Plus I feel a bit greedy wanting it to work first time when there are so many other people who have been waiting for so long.

Hi Ladies!!!

Haven't been around for a few days - theres so many in here it takes forever to catch up!!!!

Mel - Sweetie, I just wanted to send you out loads of hugs... there's just nothing anyone can say to make you feel any better right now.
Go and spoil yourself with a really big bar of chocolate or a nice bottle of wine xxx

To everyone else, theres just no way I have time today to write personals.... theres too many of us now!!!

Just wanted to let you know about our most trying weekend to date on this horrible TTC journey!!!!

Well, as you all know, we have babies being born around us everywhere at the moment!
Ex hubby and his 2nd wife had their baby on Friday.
This was the one I was a little nervous about... they have given Luke his first sibling... and I just didn't know how I was going to go with it all.
Well, unless it is yet to hit me properly, I think I've dealt with it ok!
We drove Luke up on the weekend (3hrs) to see his new baby sister, but I think the hardest thing about it all was that I have had to really get Luke through the last few days... His Dad has never been that great in his efforts of being a Dad, and has just popped in and out of his life as he has felt like it.
He doesn't see Luke that often, as almost anything becomes a better priority, so Luke has been extremely anxious about the new baby coming... I think his way of thinking is that this baby was going to take the tinest part of his Dad off him that he has left.
Time will tell, but being 8yrs old, he is too old not to be emotional about it but too young to comprehend why...
The two of us spent Saturday shopping for a present for his new baby sister... he was almost in tears, and between my mixed emotions, and my wanting to stop the pain for him, it was heart wrenching.
What a horrible day it was!!! We ended up having a big plate of pancakes at a cafe halfway through, and had some ice cream afterwards.. there wasn't much else I could do for him.
Honestly the worst situation I have had to be in so far as a parent!!
Anyway, we got through it - probably keeping it together for his sake was the only thing that saved me!
When we got there, we had to visit my SIL who has 4 weeks to go of her 2nd pregnancy, DH best friend & his wife who had their first baby a week ago, another couple that work for DH's parents that had their 1st baby 2 weeks ago, and another good friend of DH's wife went into labour and gave birth yesterday before we left to come home.....aaaahhhhhh!!!!
Needless to say our weekend was emotionally draining.. a lot to happen in 2 days!!!!
We kept it together, but OMG it was glad to come home last night!!!
Anyway, I should go before I take up the remainder of this thread with my mini novel here....
To everyone else, and those especially on your 2ww... my heart is with all of you!!!

Love Holly
xxx

Just read your post Mel- Im so sorry!

All I want to say is that I sooooo think im getting AF! Im so depressed!

I hope not Kim, hang in there mate :pray:

Thinking of you

Kim, the number of times I've seen people convinced they are going to get AF and then actually get a BFP is pretty amazing. Hang in there! And I'll be sending lots and lots of :SAAF: vibes your way.

I'm so tired today. Still aware of my ovaries, still feeling pretty ok. Now that my lucrin dosage has reduced to 10 units, I'm feeling a reduction in the headaches. I suspect I'm going to have a couple of days where the lucrin side effects are reducing before the puregon side effects kick in fully and make me miserable again. The lucrin grumps are subsiding, too. I'm almost feeling normal again.

But so very, very tired. I think I'll just use my keyboard as a pillow for a bit.

BW

careful of the keyboard pillow - you'll end up with a very interesting pattern on your face!!!

have a realaxing night tonight BW _ you deserve a bit of a break hun

Hi Ladies.

So ****ed off with our bank right now. we wanted a cheque sent to us so DH can buy a boat and we havent recieved it but they have taken the money from our account surley this is not acceptable! Have telephoned then and all they could say is 'i dont write the rules!" sorry but i needed to vent and its not like its a small amount of money
!!$14000. so pppppppppppppp****ssssssed

Mel - im so sorry to hear of your news

Holly - you are a very strong women and a wonderful mother to your son, keep your chin up hon

BW- dont worry when i did my injections my pen clicks as i push in but i do wait til its really in and to help with the stinging it is sometimes best to take the injection out of the fridge for about 10 - 15 min before you need to use it also allow the anticeptic wipe to dry on your skin befor you insert the needle as this can also caused an irritation(for me anyway) i hate it when it stings.

Smudge - good luck with your scan

Kim B - hang in there hun like BW said you may be plesently supprised.

Carrie - i think your a very sweet person please dont feel guilty or beat yourself up for hoping it will work first time again for you. Gosh i hope it will work first time for everyone but please dont feel bad im hoping it will work again for you.xx

BG - two days woohoo im counting down for you and with you all the wayxxMac is ok, he lets me adapt any suggestions to the cycle and tells me his was of thinking very down to earth - i do feel like i have some control with him and DH thinks hes funny(i did remind DH that i didnt want a comeadian (sp?) but a dr that is going to get me pg!)but like you i dont really see that much of him when we are doing a cycle, deal more with his nurses and thats what i hated last time!Also i too just see what ever Dr is available at the time and so feel that the consistancy is not really there. Also when ever i have seen another Dr through the same clinic they have stuffed something up like giving me a stitch at EPU!

Sammy J - how much longer have you got in your ttw?

Taffylou - i with you on trying to keep up LOL

Keen, Megan, two mums, EJE hows things with you all?

For my next cycle (still waiting for AF!) i asked my dr to go on the hrt i had a ++ with b4 Ethinly Oestradiol 50 mcg and i need to get this from the compounding pharmacy direct i also got my P4 pessaries there and they are a lot smaller and cheaper too. I dont know what kinda price you other ladies pay (they do deliver) but for 28 pessaries i paid $50, from what i can remember whenever i bought 15 pessaries it cose me anything from $60 - $90 depending on where i went. so if any one is interested i can give you there number.

sometimes the drugs can add up the cost of a cycle so every little helps.

xx

Well...spoke to the nurse....definitely a negative (as if I needing telling!!)...so the doc wants me to have an assisted thaw cycle with our frostie...so its suddenly all sysems go again. We start oestrogen tablets on Thursday have a scan on Friday 30 and start the pessaries on the Sunday. Transfer is scheduled for anywhere from the Tuesday the ? April on. I am definitely interested in where you get those pessaries from Lou anything to save a bit of moula at this stage...also what is the oestradiol all about...how does it compare with tthe standard drugs?
Chin up Kim...someone has to lead the charge out of here this month and I have my fingers crossed for you.

Hi ladies,

Just wanted to check in & see how everyone is doing.

Mel - sorry hun about your BFN.

Kim - I felt like for days before & after that I was going to get af (it feels exactely the same) & she didn't show, fingers crossed for you.

Megan - how are you? you must be nearly reading to ride the rollercoaster again lol.

Jo- 27(treated endo)
Dh - 33
TTC #1 since June 2005
Second chlomid / IUI March - :bfp:

Mel - i sent my script to Nationwide Compounding Pharmacy in Caulfield Sth. there tel is 03 9532 8555. the Ethinyl Oestradiol is a type of HRT more commonly used in Vic is prognova(sp?) and ive never had a bfp on it only from this ethinyl O.... but they are both the same type of drug my FS told me that last year sydney IVF were raving about this drug and that they were getting more BFP from using it, but after trying it at my local clinic they decovered that it was much for muchness! so its easier to use the prognova as its easier for people to get hold of ect.... but as i did get my BFP and after having the sergery to clip my tube i thought i would give this ago again (mind you i'll try ANYTHING). so i got hold of the pharmacy again and after having a chat with them they told me that they could supply the pessaries too and for less than half the prise (gotta be happy with that) they are much smaller though and do need to be kept in the fridge, although a little vent they were on the door step when i arrived home and the ice pack they had sent them with was melted! but im sure that will be fine.

So Mel just give them a call and/ or fax them a copy of your script and im sure they will get it out to you or if your in the city pick up a heap while your there(you can collect from them)

PS i like that loula is saving me some moula!!lol

GL hun

I might talk to the nurse about that drug sounds interesting...when I get back from the supermarket...having a feel sorry for myself binge fest....I will google it and have a squizzy. I know Nationwise...drove past ther on friday after acupunture so can drive up and get stuff even though it is 45 minutes away...no biggie...thanks for that

You wont really find much on google but you can try it only really comes up with the other HRT i think this is an old name or something as even the local pharmest said it should be called the other name. ive been told to start taking it on day 2

GL

Mel - just wanted to say i was really sad to hear your news :hugs:

Mel, I'm so sorry to read about your BFN :hug: I am glad you have one on ice though and are able to start again straight away. I think it helps to have the next step to focus on.
Lou, lol at still waiting for AF. She's always missing in action when you don't want her to be isn't she?! ;) I'm having a longer cycle than usual this time around (nor suprising after last month) and I'm over it! Anyway, hope she turns up soon so you can get on with things. I hope you have more luck and a better experience at the clinic this time.

Jo, good to see you're still popping in to check up on us!! Have you had a repeat BT yet. From memory you were having another one but I have lost track of the days this last week! Hope everything is going great guns for you and the morning sickness has kicked in!! ;) j/k

Nothing new here. Flat out at work and then gardening etc to get the house ready to be officially on the market next week. Forget what CD I'm on but it feels like it's been a long month! Off to see my FS next week (finally!) after his big holiday. I haven't seen him since before I did both FET's. let's see what his plans are for me next time!

Holly – What an awful weekend that you have had, and what a strong person you are to have gotten through it so beautifully! You are obviously a fantastic Mummy. I really feel for you and Luke, it must be absolutely heart wrenching to watch your boy upset and I really hope that your ex includes Luke and makes him feel like the special loved little boy that he is.
Kim- Try to keep thinking positive thoughts. I know it can be hard. Just visualize your little embie digging in and holding on!! :stickyvibesgirl:
Smudge: Hope the scan goes well tomorrow.
BW- Good to hear you’re feeling a bit better atm. Have a good night sleep!
Loula- Thank you so much for your kind words, it means a lot. I hope that AF shows up for you soon….as well as the cheque in the mail…(for the boat I mean). Isn’t it funny how the bank are quite happy to take money out of your account quickly but when it come to putting it in they take forever!
Mel- Hope you’re having a good binge fest! That’s great to hear that things are on the move again quickly for your next cycle.

I'm really starting to struggle with these injections now...

I decided that because my belly was starting to get very sore, I'd try an injection in the top of my leg. Lucrin first, as it's a smaller amount, then if it was went ok, I'd try the puregon as well. Unfortunately, I jabbed myself with the syringe, screamed in pain, and all I'd managed to do was pierce my skin enough to make it bleed profusely, I couldn't get the needle in at all! I figured that maybe my legs just have tougher skin... tried again on my belly and still had a lot of trouble. I've never had a needle hurt so much as this one! Eventually got it in, figuring that maybe I was just feeling super-sensitive today. The puregon which followed was fine - I guess I somehow got a dodgy syringe.

Does anyone use injection sites other than the belly? Mine is really getting sore, and I think I'm going to need to give it a break. I've already got one huge bruise from my first puregon injection, so I'm really running out of spots to jab! I don't think I'll be able to try my leg again - but I can't think of anywhere convenient and accessible!

Lou, I hope these drugs work their magic for you!

BW

BW - i was told that the stomach was prety much the only place for the injections becuase the injection need to be sub-cutaneous, not intra muscular (which is pretty much what you'd be looking at with your leg i think) - i know you have issues with the nasty nurse at your clinic, but maybe give them a call and see if they can make another suggestion. i'd hate to change the place you inject and then find that you've potentially reduced the action of the meds. i really feel for you atm hun, cos i know after 10 days of just puregon shots i was pretty much over it, and you've had the added discomfort of the lucrin shots on top of that.

take care - and good luck - i really hope they can offer you another option...

BG, the only reason I was thinking leg was because both the instructions for the lucrin and the puregon show the upper thigh as an injection site. Although, now that I think about it - there really isn't much fat on my thighs (yes, I'm peculiar and strange - fat never goes to my bum or thighs, always my belly), so I suspect that my belly really is the only option I have. I've been sticking to the sides lately as one injection I put into the middle of my belly hurt... but I guess I'm going to have to go back there.
*sigh*
I'm feeling hurty all over - arthritis is flaring because it's been wet today, and getting colder and we seemed to spend ages in the fridge/freezer sections while doing our grocery shopping tonight! Maybe when I'm feeling less sore all over my belly won't feel quite so bad.

BW

find yourself a nice warm heatpack, or snuggle under a blanket and just relax for a while (and i'm saying this in the "take care of yourself" way, not the way that we all hate to hear it, i promise!!) - better still, a nice hot bath and just chill!!

sorry to hear your arthritis is flaring up again - you're having a pretty bad run with it, aren't you? take care hun

The weather is changing... I keep forgetting that I need to dress more warmly than I might think - of course, it doesn't help that where we were for the weekend was very hot and very humid, and the climate change from travelling will knock me around a bit - always does. At this point, my rheumy would be saying "will you just hurry up and get pregnant!" Apparently he's convinced my arthritis will improve with pregnancy.

I think it's time for a glass of chocolate milk, my tablets, a toasted hot cross bun, and bed.

BW

BW- I did read somewhere that someone gave themselnes inj in the leg! I asked the nurse about this as along with the puregon I had to have daily Luveris shots and now take daily Claxene shots my belly is soooooo bruised that its hard to find space! Anyway the nurse said no way! the FS does not like anywhere else but the stomach so i would check with FS about this! Can you find someone to help you with it? Maybe day on, day off?

BW, I remember Jane (who did a cycle same time as me last year) was having her DH inject her in the bottom. It must have worked cause she got her BFP!

subcutaneous injection sites 101:
belly is my preferred spot but there are many other potentials sites......lots of people even use their breasts!!!!
The bottom is great, upper thigh, arms even, anywhere you can pinch some flesh you can inject...remember that needle is only 12 mm long it is not going very far into you at all.
BUT and here is the rider....different injections sites will absorb at different rates.....the stomach will always give the smoothest absorption rate followed closely by the bottom then the arms and legs come last beacuse they are limbs and as such are moving so tend to have a rpid absorption rate but not sustained IYKWIM.
You can minimize the bruising by doing a quickish jab of the needle and then injet nice and slow. A trick I have learned is to touch the skin where I intend to inject with the needle if you get a reallly sharp pain response you have hit a nerve ending....no point trying there move to the other side of the belly. I find that if I get a sensitive spot the area around instantly becomes sensitised as well so I need to move completely to a diff area...when you find a potential spot be assertive...show the needle who is boss..less pain that way and less bruising...the more you fiddle with the needle when injecting the more chance it has to bump around and knock a small vessel .

Oh...don't forget to breathe..calming your breathing down will actually slow the blood flow and also reduce bruising.

HTH and good luck...remember deep breaths and it is only 12mm......splinters are bigger than that.

I've got the breathing thing happening! I figured that one out from acupuncture (deep breath in, then out, jab!). I'm really starting to think that it was a good thing that I couldn't get that injection in my leg (leg still hurts, too!), as I hadn't really thought it through (beyond the upper thigh is listed in both sets of instructions). I'm a bit hesitant about getting DH to give me the injections in my bum - then I'd be having to sit on the sore spots that are currently restricted to my belly! With all the injections I've done, I only ever got a pin-sized bruise from a lucrin injection when I bled slightly. I really don't know what happened with that first puregon injection, there was no bleeding at all afterwards - but the bruise there is 3cm across!

Mel, thanks so much for all the tips and tricks regarding the injections! It's one thing to get instructions from the nurses, but they aren't actually injecting themselves! It's the first-hand experience that really counts. Even though it sucks that you have to have that experience. :(

I do believe I was heading to bed half an hour ago! This time it really is good night!

BW

sweet dreams BW!!

Maybe we need a new thread - "Self Injecting with Mel" you are an angel - I have printed out your instructions so that I will have them on hand once I start the injections.

Absolutely, Taffy! There was another post from Mel in an older thread which also had some good instructions (needle in fast, drug in slow) which have been very, very handy. I think we really should impose upon Mel to make them into a separate thread and then talk one of our lovely mods into making it a sticky. It's information that is extremely useful that will benefit everyone.

Is fatigue a side effect of puregon? Or am I just suffering from a late night? Feeling kinda nauseated as well, so I'm thinking it's the puregon. I'm also getting worried that I'm getting such strong side effects so quickly - I hope I'm not in trouble here! But at least it seems to be a perfect excuse to get out of a meeting at school tonight - I'm too unwell!

BW

Oh wow things have been busy in here over the last couple of days!!

Well i will just be quick as i am at work and have WAY too much work to do!!

Well we had our blood test yesterday and got our confirmed negative pregnancy result we were expecting, Oh well..

So we were of to see the Dr this morning who tells me i was her only patient last month who didn't fall .. (didn't make me feel better)

But we like Mel are back in the saddle, we are doing FET with our 2 frozen blastys and should be transfering on April 2nd if all goes to plan... Fingers Crossed!! Not looking forward to that trigger injection again.. :redface:

Hope everyone is doing well.. goodl luck to those in the TWW..

Cheers

Shannon- So sorry that your test was neg :(. That wasn't very sensative of the Dr. to make a comment like that. It's good to hear that you are planning the next transfer though.

I wrote a whole message and then my computer went and lost it! Doh!!!

Hi Shannon, I'm so sorry it's a BFN. I wish there was something I could say to make you feel better... I hope it's a BFP next time!!!

BW - I felt fatigued and sick from the drugs too. None of it's not nice is it?! I hope you feel better soon. Good luck with the jabs, sounds like you're having a bit of a bad time with them.

Hi to everyone else. I hope you're all doing well. Wishing all 2ww'ers well. How many do we have? How are you going in yours Kim?? When's your D Day? I'm doing ok so far. I've got till next Wednesday so next week will probably be hard... but at least it's only 2 days.

Shannon, So sorry to hear that it didn't work out.

BW - straight in the butt i say, works a treat! No pain, no bruises and alot more room than the belly..ouch! I have had all in the bum and def no trouble sitting.

Had 'another' scan today. Really over it now..more injections they tell me..day 13 today. I have about 7 follies which are on the move but this is worse than watching grass grow..still at 12mm. FS reckons these will be ripe by Mon / Tue for the picking. They have taken 13 days to get to this point, how will they ever grow that fast? 2 hours to get there, 2 hours between nurse, scan, Dr then another hour 1/2 to work..then come back in two days and we'll see how they are..that was theory four scans ago.. Blah sorry for the whinge but I feel mentally and physically exhausted!

Hope everyone else is having a better day

Smudge - i'm so sorry you've been having such a hard time. i really hope those follies take notice this time, and start to cooperate for your next scan!

Blargh!!!! I just don't know what's wrong with me right now!

I'm sitting here feeling some sort of weird cross between angry and depressed. I want to cry my eyes out, and I just don't know why!

Is this just more of the puregon?

BW

BW Ive been exactly like that for the whole cycle! I think its a combination of stress, medication, anger, frustration, negativity and tiredness (for me anyway) then if it doesnt work its the whole thing all over again!


Im over it! God knows when we'll get off this rollercoaster ride! I think i might go and see a counsellor soon...Im getting bitter!

Hi ladies,
i havnt been posting as nothing new here still just waiting for our appointment really.
Hugs to those who are finding it really tough at the moment.