Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception - March 2007

Thanks BW! Its not even about sometimes the IVF / TTC that is causing fights. He has began his stupid stance about his speeding fine. The car is only in my name and he got a camera fine and expected me to just pay it! We argued about it and then i left it and I mentioned that there was a JP at work and she signed the form. I told him to cope it sweet, his actions, he needs to take responsbibility. And he turns around and says well you need to accept the consequences of YOUR actions! And you wonder why we are fighting!!!

When are you going back to the FS? Can you ask them whats going on and is there anything they can do about it?

BG Im glad you at some sleep you poor thing. How cute of your DH that a cuddle will fix your aching/ throbbing face. Like with BW, I only knew about not taking Aspirin with the Metformin.

When it comes to the metformin and NSAIDs, it doesn't appear to be something I need to worry about. Seems my glucose levels stay fairly stable, I've never really had hypos at all, but it is something that I will keep an eye on, particularly with the doses of NSAIDs I can be on at times. Seems like it's not necessarily an issue for everyone, just those people who are susceptible to the problem.

Summer, I'd bet that your DH is feeling stressed, guilty, frightened and just generally freaked out. But, like a typical bloke, he doesn't really know how to talk through it all. It might be worth chatting to the counsellor attached to your clinic. Even if you can't get DH to go, they may be able to give you some suggestions on how to get him to open up and stop blaming himself. :hug: Hang in there! The slow release metformin may be the way to go, too. I've just switched back to the regular type, and I'm noticing a slight disturbance in my digestive system, and yesterday my acupuncturist was commenting on just how well I was going with the low GI diet and stuff, and this was the longest she's ever seen my digestive system go without some sort of disturbance.

BW

Hi ladies just poping in to say im still around and thinking of you all (where is Megan by the way?)

Good luck to all thoes in 2ww im hoping there the stickiest ever.lol

been really sick lately, shocking head ache and lots of horrid hand foot and mouth at work as well as school sores!!! so keeping a low profile.

ive been finding it a little hard to keep up and post but you are all in my thoughts.

Summer im sorry things are a little rough at home at the mo ttc is never easy on relationships. (dh and i fight all the time when ttc, and i hate it)

Im off to old Fs on Tuesday so i can use our bulk billed cycle that they o us and hopefully get my BFP soon with all of you

At least DH was nice and rang me at his lunch time. Dont have to change the locks on the door or sell his new dvds for $1 online!
Feeling better have done nothing expect list items on my online store and chat with friends online.
LOU I hope you dont catch any of those dreaded things going around at work. Yukko. :crossfingers: that the old FS can work some magic for you.

Hi Lou! I'm here, just struggling to find time to read and post at the moment! My laptop died this afternoon too which is going to make things more difficult!

I am having another FET and finally got my LH surge today, so transfer is Wednesday. I did OPK's for 5 days and then BT's for 5 days. The nurses wouldn't listen when I said I ovulate late in my cycle with a 10-11 day LP. Oh, well. Maybe now that they have seen I ovulated late twice in a row they may believe me?
probably not though!

Nice to see your around Megan. Silly nurses, sometimes they need to listen to us more. I hope everything goes well and will be thinking about you on Wednesday.

My Vent:
Just want to tell you all that a friend who started trying at the same time I did- April 2005 and fell preg first month has just anounced she's preg again!

And Im yet to fall preg once!

Why is everybodys life around me so perfect!

:hugs: Kim. I'm not sure there's anything I can say to make you feel better. I've coped ok with most friends of mine, apart from the one who fell first cycle at the same time we started trying. Just for my own sanity, I've had to cease all contact with her. Just know that we all know how you feel.

BW

thanks BW
Just had a major melt down with DH this morning as were doing ivf because of MF. I dont speak to these people anymore and I too have severed contact but it still really p@#*es me off!

This April it will coming up to two years! We WASTED last year because a) the FS was telling us that my DH sperm morph was nothing to worry about and b) by DH would do no reading, research- nothing he was in complete denial that there was something wrong with him and was just happy to go along with what the FS said- even though I kept telling him otherwise!

Im really resentful today! I told him to go out and leave me alone for the day cause right now I hate him for that wasted year, for not believing in me when I did all the research and for letting all these people around me get preg when I could have started Icsi this time last year!!!! and I was a year younger and so were my eggs! SORRY I NEED TO VENT!

Im really upset today!

Kim - i honestly don't know what to say - it's so hard to be going through what we're going through at the moment - there are some things that are just really really hard to cope with. i only hope the day gets better for you. just wanting to send you massive cyber hugs today. take care of yourself

Hi Kim,

Just wanted to say that I know exactly where you're coming from...
SIL had her first baby in August last year, and is already 3 months PG with baby no 2..... that will be 2 babies in a year!!!!!!!!!
This is a woman that was never going to have children - wasn't interested, and is still suffering quite badly with post natal depression (her baby is 7 months old).
She had a baby because her DH desperately wanted it...
It truly makes you wonder about the sense of humour of the universe sometimes..... I often look at people that have children & either didn't want them, had them for the wrong reason, etc and are able to fall pg at the slightest thought of doing so... its just heart wrenching.
DH & I have been TTC before SIL even met her husband... and they have gotten married & conceived 2 babies and we're still stuck in the same spot as where we were 5 yrs ago:angry:
I ended up in a big fight with DH a few days ago because when all of this got a little on top of me (2 friends also giving birth in the last 2 weeks as well) I lost it a little, and his response was that he couldn't see my problem... we're not in competition with any of these people so why do I care.... theres just no point even arguing about it with him because he just doesn't get it:rolleyes:
Saying that, though, I was FURIOUS with him at the time!
But what can we do....
I did what you are doing atm a few days ago... cried for the larger part of the day, and it just stinks because nothing can make you feel better.
Sending lots of hugs and wishes your way:hug: and hope you feel better soon....

Holly
xxx

BG - hope you have recovered well from your surgery!
One hurdle out the way, now for the next.

EJE - good luck in your tww.

Shannon - sorry to hear of your Dh grandfather's passing.
I am in the tww as well & it's dragging for me too.

Megan - wishing you all the best for wednesday!!!

Kim - we all know how you feel about others getting pg so easily, we all know someone close to us that has absolutely no trouble & it doesn't seem fair.
If it makes you feel any better, I'm willing to bet her life isn't perfect!
She may be able to have kids but I'm sure she is lacking in other things that are important in life.

Well I am 11dp IUI & I am just too scared to do a hpt.
I am so scared that it is going to be another bfn, I think I will just wait till Thursday to get my b/t.

The wedding went well & no one directly asked me why I wasn't drinking but the couple I was sitting next too said to my Dh 'Jo' pg isn't she'.
How rude some people are but I'm just glad they didn't say that to me.
Another person asked me where my little ones were so people just expect you to have children, so that was kinda uncomfortable & Dh was in bridal party so I was pretty much on my own with these statements.
Oh well other than that it was a beautiful wedding.

Jo - 27 (treated endo)
Dh - 33
TTC #1 since June 2005
First chlomid / IUI Jan/Feb 2007 - BFN
Second chlomid / IUI March 2007 - fingers crossed!
:pray: this will be the year!

Holly Your arguements are mirrorred here as well. Guys really do have different brains to us.
Jo Im glad the wedding went well but BLAHHHHHHHHH to all those nosey people. Some people just dont get it to mind their own business. I hope everything goes well, whether this is when you do as HPT or hold you to your BT

Jo - Hope all goes well on Thursday for your B/T.

Holly - Summer said it all...Guys really do have different brains to us! Sending you lots of hugs.

Nic

Hope your going well Nic xoxo

Hi Girls

Hope everyone is well...Well its another goer, we had the ultrasound and bloods on saturday and Kim had a pretty strong response to the clomid this time. 1 x 16mm on one side and 2 x 14 on the other side, estrogen was a massive 760 and it was only day 11!!!! They like to see levels of 200 -600 per mature follicle so by tuesday it should be well and truely, considering they still have a few days left to grow. We triggered last night at 6pm and the IUI is tomorrow morning which will be day 14!! Pretty close to perfect i'd say....Fingers crossed xxx

Megan, I hope everything continues to go perfectly for you guys this cycle! :)

Hi Girls,
Had a bit of a meltdown today. I was Godmother to my best friend's girl yesterday. It really was lovely to be asked and I love that I got to do it but it was really hard standing up there with them and then all day with everyone oohing and aahhing over her all day. Happy and sad over the whole thing which didnt come out till today. (I tend to melt down just after the stressful situation) We had a hit of tennis, which I totally suck at and I got in a downer at myself and decided to walk home while DH had a hit with friends. Anyhow it is 8km I think and I was walking along wondering why he didnt come get me and when I got home I found he had been home and then went out looking for me, without his phone! So then I stressed about how bad I was thinking all those nasty things about him when he was doing the right thing. It turned out he went a different way which is why he didnt see me etc etc. When he got home I was in tears. blah blah blah. I am such an emotional idoit!!!and this is BEFORE the drugs!! Cant wait till next week when I have hormonal hell as well.
Enough about me, I hope everyone in the TWW is coping ok. Hope all you girls are going wonderfully and growing those sticky little embies in there. Wishing the days away for you so testing gets here sooner for you all.
hi to everyone else.....
Big hugs from Sazz

Megan Time is certainly flying, I cant believe its time for IUI tomorrow. :crossfingers: for you & Kim
Megan How are you going?
Sazz Hun, Only a guy would have taken the other way to look for you! Dont be too hard on yourself. I hope all goes well for you next week and the drugs dont have too many side effects for you.

Bit of a weird question here... not sure if I want to post it publicly in a new thread... but lucrin - aching boobs and slight nipple discharge is normal or not?

I know, call the clinic and ask... but I'm flat out at work for the next few days, and I'm not sure if that's a question I want to ask from there - even behind closed doors I'm paranoid that others will hear. I'm going in there on Friday for a blood test and will ask then. Unless someone tells me this is something I really should panic about.

BW

BW - I'm not sure about the discharge but I've had swollen tender sore boobs since starting the drugs.

Well I had my EPU yesterday and they got 17 eggs. Waiting very anxiously on the call to say how many fertilised. I feel sick with worry. I only have to wait till 10am but it's going to drag... and then they might not call on time... arrghhh!!! I'm in more pain than I expected. I'm back at work today, but feeling very fragile.

I hope everyone else is well, I can't think straight to write personals.... sorry.

Sammi- Ive been wondering how you were going? I had my transfer last Fri. out of 10 eggs only 4 fertilised with ICSI and only 3 made it to day three so Ive transfered 2 and frozen one! A bit disappointed with the ferilisation results- i now think my eggs are getting old- God im paranoid!

I dont feel any different though! I just think you would get some sort of different feeling, but I havent!- im extremelly negative too!


All the best with your fertilisation and tranfer let me know how you go!

Hi Kim,

Well, only 7 of my 17 eggs fertilised. So about the same % rate as you. I am very disappointed too. I was hoping for more, obviously. The scientist explained that by day 5 you should have about a third so I'll probably only have 2 by Saturday. I know I only need one, but I guess I'm already thinking that if it doesn't work I have to go through the whole thing again instead of a FET.

I wonder if it is our eggs???? I asked the scientist about that and she said they can't really tell if it's a sperm or an egg issue if they don't fertilise. Not much help really?!

So now I have to try to stay positive and not stress for the rest of the week and wait for ET on Saturday. This is going to be a very hard week....

Fingers crossed for you - I hope it sticks!!!! Try to stay positive, try to picture your little embie implanting itself into your uterus - make it happen!! Are you on Crinone?? I have to start that tonight and I'm really not looking forward to it!! Apparently it's yuck!

Sending lots of positive vibes your way.

Sam x

Hi there Sammi!

Looks like your in the same boat I am! Ive just gotten the bill and its HUGE! because my DH had to have a testicular biopsy as well which was an additional $1500 and like you if this doesnt work I have 1 embie left and the back to square one! and Im getting older by the second!!!


Im taking pregnl injections 4 times after transfer and im also taking clexane injenctiona everyday for my blood because apparently on one of the millions of BT's I took it showed something that could make me misscarry!- GREAT!

Ok lets hope for the best! hope your transfer goes OK, make sure DH is there to hold your hand!
:pray: me and :pray: you!

Twomums - good luck with the IUI!

Sazz - big hugs to you, hope your feeling better today.

Sam - sorry your a little dissapointed but like you said you only need one, fingers crossed for you.

Well this morning I caved & did a hpt - OH MY GOD there was a line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the first time I have ever had a second line does this mean it's a :bfp: ?
It is definately not as dark as other line but it is as thick & came up straight away, I keep going in every 10 minutes to make sure it's still there.

I don't no what to think, I think I'm jinxing it by just posting about it.
I have read where you can get false + so I'm a little cautious atm, I just feel totally sick because I want it so bad but what if it's wrong?

I am 12dpo today & supposed to be having b/t on Thursday but I am thinking maybe I should go tomorrow.
I also think maybe I should go & buy another hpt just in case, I used a crystal clear this morning.

Oh my god I don't know what to do, I am such a wreck atm, lucky I'm not at work today.
The only inkling I have had this month is that at 7dpo I had a pimple break out (I usually only get 1 pimple say every 6 months) & my skin was just not right.
That day & the next I didn't have cramping but my tummy felt weird, not sure if I can explain it but it definately wasn't cramps.
I also noticed a bit darker blue veins on boobs but thought that was because it was hot.
Do I dare believe it could be true?

Jo - 27 (treated endo)
Dh - 33
TTC #1 since June 2005
First chlomid / IUI Jan/Feb 2007 - BFN
Second chlomid / IUI March 2007 - :crossfingers:
:pray: this will be the year!

OMG - Jo - that's awesome news - i'd definitely be doing a follow up tes just to check, but sounds really promising. fingers crossed that this is it for you!!!

TwoMum's - good luck with the IUI.

tow everyone else - huge cyber hugs and hope you're haivng a good day. still can't seeem to keep track of everyone at the moment!

Jo - wow, that sounds really promising!!! I hope this is your BFP!!!! How exciting!!!!

Kim - let's hope that you won't need that frozen embie! The injections sound like a better option - I've got pessaries of gel that sound yuck! Oh well... only another 2 weeks of this hell journey.... How was your transfer?? Is it ok?? I'm trying not to think about it, but I'm not looking forward to it. Let's be really positive that we'll get our 2007 babies. :pray: for the both of us!

Hi Ladies!!!

OMG Jo..... How exciting!!!!!!:dance:
12dpo sounds great, and a second line is a second line!!!!
Go and get another HPT if you like but it sounds like this is it to me!!!!
The pimples and the dark veins were my first positive signs when I fell pg with Luke... how exciting!!!!!!

Sammi and Kim - I had the same problem as you guys my first few cycles... I know they found the reason about fertilisation % being so little was because a large majority of my eggs were immature.
Our clinic only does EPU one day a week, so they have suggested we go to Sydney for EPU next time so we can go an extra day or two and let the eggs develop a little more.... not sure if this would be the same for you guys??????
I'm presuming with ICSI they wouldn't have injected into an immature egg (but I don't know, really!;) ) but it might be worth asking out of curiosity???!
Anyway guys, stay positive, as my DH is forever telling me... you only need one!!!

BW - I haven't been on Lucrin before, but have had aching boobs and slight discharge when I was on crinone... it was such a false hope, as the only time I had ever had nipple discharge before was during my pregnancy with Luke.... I did ask them about it at the clinic though, and they said it was just another side effect of the drugs... call if you are worried though xxx

Megan - Good Luck for tomorrow, is it tomorrow for your transfer???!!!
There are too many personals, and I didn't go far enough back to read all of the posts;) Good Luck anyway!!!!

Hi to everyone else.. hope you guys are all great!!!!

Me - DH and I had a fantastic day yesterday - his first day off in weeks, and we just spent the day together, as I didn't have any lessons until after 2pm!
We had a big chat about our never ending issue for next cycle - whether or not to change clinics... we agreed to go one more cycle with our clinic and then change if no luck.
I feel really great about this decision... I know the FS who did my lap in Jan was adamant about us changing after 4 failed cycles, but I just feel like I'm not ready to give up with them yet!!!
I really am comfortable with them all, and they are all just so supportive... plus if we do get a bfp, it would feel right for them to be sharing it with us....

We will be doing EPU and transfer at the Chatswood clinic rather than here on Central Coast (due to the fact that we need to do EPU a day or two longer than usual - see my message to Kim & Sammi!!!) so that might make all the difference, and actually give us some frosties for the first time ever, so we'll see.....

On another note, I can't seem to be able to get an avatar... have looked through the FAQ but still no use... I'm thinking I haven't got anough posts yet???!!!!

Hope everyone is great, and good luck and best wishes to you guys on the 2ww.....

Love Holly
xxx:D

OMG Jo..I'm praying for a BFP for you!!

Huge hello to every one else. :)

Nic

Wow, Jo! I've snuck on from work again and this has put the biggest grin on my face! :D It might be worth doing another test tomorrow. I'm one of those people that got a false positive once, but it was only once, the next time I tested there was no second line at all. I'm left wondering just how many positives I'll need to see before I ever believe that it is positive for me at last.

It's so strange. I can hear of a BFP among other groups and all I do is go away and cry and feel my heart breaking because it feels like yet another person has jumped the queue ahead of me, but every time there is that news here in this thread I truly can be happy and excited. Maybe I'm just weird. Anyway, Jo I'm praying that you have a super sticky bub there and this is it for you at last!! WOOOO!

Still got my achey boobs - I could understand it if I was in the second half of my cycle, but I'm still only on lucrin! Don't start puregon until Friday. I'm just at the point where *everything* is hurting - for some reason my arthritis is wanting to play up and I have bad pain in my back and neck and generally just feel miserable. And that's where I remember that the lucrin side effects included bone pain... but it's still not as bad as the synarel!

For a sneaking on from work post, this has got awfully long, so I must be off...

BW

Just an update, I did not pee or drink anything for 3 hours so I could do another hpt.
I have just done two, one with pregnosis & another crystal clear & they both came up straight away with a second line!!!

I still can't quite believe it but I have been having slight cramps this arvo so I'm hoping that's not a bad sign.
I have heard on here that some women swear they're getting af because of cramping so fingers crossed it will be a stayer.

I think I will definately have to have my b/t tomorrow morning instead of Thursday, I wont believe it fully until I get that confirmation.
I'm sure if it's coming up :bfp: on a hpt it should come up on b/t at 13dpo.

Dh will be home in about an hour so I can't wait to tell him, I don't want to get our hopes up but I will not be able to keep it a secret.
I am soooooooo glad now that I did not drink at the wedding.
Thanks ladies for all your + thoughts for me today & I will keep you posted.

Jo - 27 (treated endo)
Dh - 33
TTC #1 since June 2005
First chlomid / IUI Jan/Feb 2007 - BFN
Second chlomid / IUI March 2007 - :crossfingers:
:pray: this will be the year!

Wow Jo,
sounds like very exciting news for you. I can't imagine how exciting it would be to tell your DH.
:D
Jo

Just popping in quickly tonight....
Jo, that's the best news I have heard all day!! Can't wait to hear your official BT results!!

Bad news for me this today..... we were due to have transfer tomorrow morning but sadly neither of our little embies survived the thaw. I was devastated when my nurse rang me. I was all set to go.
I'm angry too at the stats they give out to you. I was told by one of the nurses that there is an 80% chance of survival for each embie being thawed. Well I had 4, and only one of them survived. So that's 25%. It really makes it hard to believe their figures when I fall so far below the line.
I had already organised the day off tomorrow and my boss had left for the day before I got the news so I have decided I am still having the day off. I'm going to sleep in, read, catch up on BB and relax. I feel like I really need it at the moment.

Megan - sorry hun that things didn't work out, life sux sometimes!
I think it's a great idea to stay at home tomorrow & just chill.
:hug: to you, I know you've been through the ringer lately & I hope things turn around very soon.

Jo - 27 (treated endo)
Dh - 33
TTC #1 since June 2005
First chlomid / IUI Jan/Feb 2007 - BFN
Second chlomid / IUI March 2007 - :crossfingers:
:pray: this will be the year!

I'm really sorry, Megan, that really sux. :hugs:
I think a day off anyway won't do you any harm, a good time for a bit of TLC.

Oh no Megan that really sux huge hugs for you sweetie.

Wohoo for you Jo...you will have to get a new username no you are no longer ttc!!

question: is it normal to have cramping and sore bbs 8 days after transfer? I was really sore the first few days on the crinone and the last two days it has really died off...now it just feels like AF is coming? Is that normal...that and the fact I am the moodty negative ***** from hell at the moment...I really don't like this crinone stuff......ah well, chin up Mel...I just feel so negative about it all today as if it is never going to happen.

Jo - that's awesome - so glad things seem to be showing a BFP across the board - how'd your DH take the fantastic news??

Megan - i'm so sorry hun - i don't think there's words i can say that will improve how you're feeling at the moment. i really think the day of R&R tomorrow will do you good. i can only hope that you get some good news soon - you seem to be having a hard time lately

Mel - don't give up hope - may not be AF type cramping - could just be a sticky little embie trying to get itself comfy in there - fingers crossed for you!

Was wondering how you were Mel, you have been quiet lately. I can't help on the syptoms, but I will :pray: and :crossfingers: for you.
Jo

Mel, I felt like that on Crinone for the entire time. It's horrible stuff!
Saying that though, the symptoms you get from Crinone all seem to similar to pg symptoms as well. It's so hard to tell!! I so hope you get your BFP this cycle. :)

Thanks girls for all of your support.
I am thankful that I have a lot going on to keep me busy at the moment, or I might not be dealing with this as well as I have so far.
We have decided to sell our house. One of the reasons being the cost of IVF and the fact that I would never be able to stay home for more than a couple of months when we eventually do have a baby. I refuse to go through all of this IVF stuff and then leave my baby to be looked after by someone else from a very early age. So, we are going to invest our money elsewhere and rent cheaply for a while so we can save more money for IVF if it's needed.
it's been a big decision but we both think it's for the best. So, I'm sure keeping the house spotless is going to keep me busy!! lol Then in about 6 weeks or so we are off to Darwin for a holiday and I can't wait. That's at the beginning of May, so we'll start our next stim cycle after that!

Jo - How did your DH react to your news? If you have a b/t tomorrow how long before you know the results? Just on a reassuring note, I had AF cramps with DD.

Megan - Lots of hugs for you. Hope you have a nice relaxing day at home tomorrow. How long is your holiday to Darwin? Would love to go up there one day myself.

Mel, Hope tomorrow is a better day for you.

Nic