Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception - Nov 2007 #4

Oh one thing I forgot to ask about. I am on the crinone as of tomorrow, any nasty side effects that I should expect??

Just wanted to say hi to everyone. I'm still reading everything you've all got to say and know where you're all at, it's just with work and other stuff outside work and modding when I get home, it's not leaving much time to put together a detailed personals post.

So just let me say good luck to everyone in their respective cycles and lots of supportive thoughts to those of you who have had crappy news the past couple of days.

Nik, well done on the eggs and GL with fertilisation. As for the crinone, in DW's case the effects seemed to be cumulative, so towards the end of the TWW she has a heap of pregnancy symptoms and a few mood issues. As it's a progesterone supplement it does tend to mimic early preg. symptoms so try not to read too much into how your body is behaving.

Hi Guys

Wow i go away for a few days and so much has happened!

BD- Oh hun and i am so sorry about your canx cycle :hug: I hope your FS has some answers

BW - Good luck with EPU on Sun, look after yourself and i will have everything crossed.

Dusty & Baby - So sorry things didn't work out this time, i hope you get your answers and the next roll of the dice goes your way as you both deserve!

Kate - Welcome! As for back to back cycles i tried a stim cycle and FET back to back and it was cancelled because my body didn't want to respond, sometimes as hard as it is you just need to give your body time to recover

TL - Congrat on the new job hun it sounds fantastic!!

BG - Great Follie numbers!! Good luck with EPU

As for me worste birthday yesterday, was in meeting in syd all day yesterday came down with a cold the night before and then my flight got delayed by 5 hours last night. Finally hit the front door step at 1130pm! And off sick today with this awful cold :(

Apart from that last dose of provera tonight so should be starting FSH early next week! Yay

Shan

just wanted to ask
i am over due for af and have been very bloated for the past week not sure if that is a preg sign or af sign on her way ??????

Could be either I'm afraid. I was very bloated in early pregnancy, but I also get very bloated before AF is due. Blame hormones either way. If AF is late then I'd do a HPT, best of luck!

Hi everybody,
I've been reading your posts and replies in this forum for some time now and thought, I'd really like to join in as I'm experiencing what some of you are also. I've been TTC for nearly 3 years now. DP and I have had all the tests etc., and we both check out fine, so at this stage of the game it's unexplained infertility. My FS has placed me on clomid CD1-7 & Premarin CD7-14. On my 1st cycle of Clomid I produced 2 follicles & bloods indicated I ovulated on CD15 - however, no pregnancy. I'm now on my 2nd cycle of clomid 6 DPO. I'm already feeling slight cramping - which is usually normal for me about a week out from AF, so I'm not that hopeful.
My FS only wants me to have 3 cycles using clomid and then suggests something else, such as injections and artificial insemination or IVF. I don't really know how I feel about any of this. The whole thing gets me so depressed and teary when I think about it.

Welcome, lynros :)
The ladies and gent here are wonderfully supportive, knowledgeable and understanding of what you've been through and what you're going through now.
The waiting and the unknowns (i.e. unknowns of why infertility is occurring for you and DP, and the unknowns of what your symptoms mean) are so frustrating and a real mental challenge, aren't they?
We're here for you if you need :)
All the best with this cycle on Clomid.

Hey Nicole
I hope you're recovering well from EPU and that you're receiving good, good news about fertilisation from your clinic today. Thinking of you, and hope you're doing ok with the wait.


Thinking of everyone lots today and sending you all lots of love and support :hug:

I heard from my clinic this afternoon - I trigger at 1.30am tonight. Late EPU which is due to happen around midday Monday. Think I'll have to set the alarm tonight for 1.25am. My ovaries feel like grapefruits and are aching constantly, but all is well.

Miss C

Hi Everyone .... wow I cant believe the posts in here in what has happened :(

Dusty & BB- I am so sorry to hear the news ... I know that words can only do so much right now but I can only offer :hug: and a vent whenever you need it ...

BD - i am so so sorry to hear it was cancelled .... :( nothing could ever make you prepared for that ..... sending :hug: your way ....

BW - wow EPU hun !! Good luck with it all and I hope that it all goes to plan for you ... definitely have my :crossfingers: for you that it all works out tomorrow ...

BG - good luck with the EPU hun ... hope to see some more positive news ..

wannababy - here is hoping everything goes to plan and you can start off the new year with some positive news ....

Shan - how is that cold doing - dont you love the constant weather change which is how most of us are ending up sick, happy belated birthday and hope the rest of the weekend is kinder to you !! Good luck for the FSH stage ....

TL - i think the new job sounds like exactly what you need sweetie with less stress - it is amazing what a change will make, as they say a change is as good as a holiday ... so your start date isnt too far away and at least the stress & pressure is gone now that you have resigned ... good luck for the new chapter in work !

Miss C - how are those ears hun, you certainly know how to do things by the way of multitasking dont you hun !! Good news about your EPU and yep we are twins I am going in for mine on Monday as well ... yay !! bout time I say ... but you need to make sure you look after yourself hun ,.... you need to rest that poor body of yours .. I hear you on the grapefruits though, I had an emotional night last with DH breaking down cause of the side effects, the headaches etc everything (which in comparison to what everyone else is going through is nothing) but my ovaries feel like melons lol ....

Lynros - welcome to the group. Feeling teary and emotional is something we all feel in here on numerous occassions so you have the best support network here. Im sorry to hear about the unexplained fertility but hopefully even if the clomid isnt an option, you have the IVF and the support of the wonderful girls in here to take you through the emotional and physical journey ... I had 2 cycles on clomid but because we have my cycle issues as well as MI to consider, we ended up straight onto IVF with the increased chance we will undergo ICSI on Monday ...

Kate101 - welcome, this is my 1st cycle so have no help for you on back to back but hope all goes well for you ...


Well I had my b/t and u/s this morning and we have approx 14 follies on the R ovary with the largest measuring 21mm, and the rest all between 16mm-20mm, and on the L ovary we have approx 8 follies with the largest measuring 25mm, and the rest are all around 17mm-22mm so our numbers are good and we trigger tonight at 7pm for an EPU Monday morning at 7am ... I feel bad for posting my news when everyone is having such a hard, emotional rollercoaster ... but I happy that we are finally at EPU and have some big follies .... no more lucrin yay which hopefully means no more headaches !!!! I am pinching myself we are at this stage really ... starting to get nervous - wont be able to sleep sunday night ....

Just a quick post to let you know, from the five eggs they retrieved yesterday there was 4 good ones and overnight 3 fertilised. Not sure if that is really very good numbers but I am having 2 put back in on Wednesday so I guess that's all I need! Bit of pain last night about 4am but took some panadol and a heat pack back to bed with me and all is good today. Good luck to Miss C and Melsta for your EPU on Monday!!

Hi everyone thanks for the support, definately needed!!!
miss c, very happy that everything has gone so well, heaps of good luck for continued success. Yay!!!
Timnik, thanks again hun, glad you have the three little ones, like you say it gives you the chance and thats all you need. Look forward to hearing your progress....
Shannon, thanks much appreciated... Good luck with starting up..
Lynros, hi I can certainly relate to the tears on this crazy rollercoaster. I hope success comes soon for you. Goodluck!!!
Melsta, don't feel bad hun. I am really glad that things are going well for you and nice sizes and numbers. I will be following you closely and wishing you the best of luck..
BG and BW hope things are still going to plan I bet you are wishing the time away.
Hope it continues moving smoothly and avoid getting sick.

Hi to everyone I have missed, I have been doing lots of reading and am really afraid that this is not going to be a one off problem. I guess all can do is ask lots of ???? and have another go!!! But I have a feeling that my body is going to need some time off to catch up. I hate the fact that I don't feel old but my body or eggies are saying otherwise. DH and I are doing the best we can to catch our 2 nice big eggies and I will see some of you in the TWW, I think our chances are slim, but I guess not that different to IUI and I have triggered and I will be having the Pregnyl just in case. So fingers crossedxxxxx Trying very hard to find the silver lining, but will enjoy keeping you young chicks company..

Blackduckies, really sorry things haven't shaped up this time. Next time they'll have a better idea of how to run the stim regime to suit your body.

Dusty, I guess your job is getting you distracted big time at the moment! All the best anyway.

TL, awesome news on the job. Well done.

Wannababy, good stuff that your FET cycle is off and running.

BB, bad news for you too, I know. Hope you are starting to feel a smidge better.

BW, hope you haven't swollen up too much and floated away ;)

Bec, will be very very interested to know how you go with IVM if you end up doing it. You'll be a pioneer!

BG, what can I say, you're a follie factory :)

Miss C, I hope your super crazy schedule is all under control.

Nik, your fertilisation rate is very good based on the stats. It's certainly nothing to be down about, and remember it doesn't take millions of embies, just one or two little rippers.

Shan, sorry your b'day was sucky. You're getting old now!

Lyn, I'm glad you decided to stop by. I think you'll like it here.

Melsta, your cycle sounds like it is going great and perfectly to plan. Well done.

Hi to everyone else who is lurking, or between threads, or whereever.

Hi everyone.
Been thinking of you all lots, especially those who've had not so good news over the last couple of days or are waiting for results / EPU :hug:

Shannon - you're right, that was a terribly sucky birthday! :( I hope you're getting over that cold ok and that you've had more time to celebrate on the weekend at home and it's been much less sucky. Happy Birthday! :confetti:

Nicole - that's a great fertilisation rate, congratulations! As slyder has said, you only need one or two go-getters to make it all happen... hope the wait is going ok and you're recovering well from EPU. Lots of best wishes for the ET.

Pam - good luck for catching those great follies you've got. Anything can happen, and it's really good to see you finding the positives in it all. You're a trooper, hun! Hang in there! xo

Melsta - I'll be thinking of you tomorrow morning, sweet. You'll have a big batch, I'm sure! Great that the Lucrin is all done with - I know it's been really knocking you about. Just remember to keep breathing, and it will help you stay relaxed even though the wait is difficult today and tonight.

Slyder - thanks :) I'm at home today whilst everyone else is out gallavanting about town lol. I'm doing my best to give myself time to rest, and I've decided that everyone just has to be ok with that. Not that they aren't, but just that I'm not going to worry about it anymore. Sounds like you're flat out atm too. Hope you're not overdoing it and that you and DW are well.


I'm tired today. After getting home from hospital for my ears on Friday night around 1am, and having to wake up to trigger at 1.30am last night, my brain is a little fried. Good news is that my ears are fixed - the relief of not to have brain-piercingly loud ringing anymore is overwhelming... and trigger is done... and it's nice not be to be on Synarel anymore!

I'm a bit fixated that they're not going to catch my eggies on time for some reason - it's completely irrational and there's no reason to think that, but I think my tired brain *must* have something to fixate and stress on and if there's nothing it makes something up lol. Did anyone worry about that in their first cycle?

Will come in to see how everyone is and update after EPU late tomorrow, hopefully.

Hugs,

Miss C

32 eggs, freeze all, drugged and groggy... Just can't lay down...

BW

BW - rest up.. heal well. 32 is impressive!

miss_c - I didn't worry til they seemed to be running so late at epu. Was terrified I would ovulate on the floor of the waiting room, ROFL! I figure they know what they are doing.. surely? Am a fellow MIVF patient - best of luck!


We had none to freeze and the 2 we transferred that did not work, were low grade. This means we are to do another full stim icsi cycle when we return. Am feeling resentful of the cost, the experience, all of it today. Depressed and flat. This has been going on 4 years, maybe our number is not meant to come up? :(

Kell - it can be really hard to stay positive. you and your DH are the only ones that can decide when enough is enough - physically, emotionally and financially. don't feel pressured by anyone else's opinions on the matter - do what is right for YOU - and if that means taking some time out for you to regroup as an individual and a couple, don't feel guilty about it - ivf will still be available when you come back!

Hi Kell,
BG has said everything beautifully. You now get to do everything you need to do to ensure you recover and recouperate. That is the number one priority. You and DH can get through together in the way that you need to, and you can make choices and alter what comes next whenever you need to. IVF isn't going anywhere, as BG says. I hope you're hanging in there, hun. Lots of hugs.

BW, take care. Very glad to hear they didn't have to cancel on you completely, but hoping you'll be ok and on your feet very soon.

BG, I sent you a quick PM earlier - not sure if it reached you. Hope you're doing ok this weekend leading up to trigger tonight. Thinking of you.

thanks miss_c - i got your message - just been too slack to reply! guess i'm in denial about the trigger shot a little bit - 59 follies, even if they're not all above size to get eggs - i still think they may be a little ouchie after trigger!

Yeah, BG, it's seems the day between trigger and EPU is one of the hardest on the body, I'm certainly finding that the case today (v.v. tender). I guess denial would definitely be on the cards if you've gone through triggers before and you knew how many follies you had previously and how ouchie it was previously!! 59 is astounding! You're a follie machine! Hence I'm PMing and checking up on you though ;) It's a lot and wanting to make sure you're doing ok :)

My FS wouldn't tell me how many follies I had overall - she said I've got 10 dominant ones though. She did say that at my scan on Thurs that my ovaries were roughly tennis ball sized, and that I would get more than 10 eggs overall. I shudder to think how many there might be - perhaps it's not such a bad thing that I don't know.

i didn't have much choice but to hear seeing i was sitting between the u/s chick and DH and he was the one writing down the numbers for her!

i figure, with the theory of follies growing 2mm per day, there are going to be a fair few bigguns by EPU! not looking forward to trigger - most i've had previously was three dominant and 21 lesser ones at trigger for IUI - haven't done EPU yet...

all the best for tomorrow hun

BW - Wow what a huge number of eggs! Good luck with your recovery.

Dusty - I am so sorry this cycle didnt work :hug:

Babybliss - I am also sorry to you, it just seems so unfair :hugs:

Miss C - Good luck with EPU tomorrow, hope everything goes well and they get lots of healthy eggs to fertilise.

BG - My god 59 follies :O Good luck with trigger and EPU.

BD - Asking questions is always the best way to go, I always forget and then spend time worrying rather than ringing and asking :rolleyes:

Hi to everyone else, sorry to anyone I have missed - we have had a really busy weekend and only just got home from dinner (was our 1st wedding anniversary today). Having BT tomorrow :crossfingers:

best of luck today Mel, i am feeling nervous and excited for you.

BW, rest up hun, you have had a full on couple of weeks. i hope you don't have to go to work today.

BG, how did your trigger go?

miss_c, thinking of you today best of luck,

melsta, you will already be in your EPU. good luck.

nicole, wednesday is not far away now. best of luck with :fertilise:

shannon, yay for starting next week! happy belate birthday to you.

pam/BD, hope you caught those eggs hun :crossfingers:

welcome lynros and kate! kate, i have always had at least one month off with my stim cycles. my FS says if you do back to back risk the chance of OHSS then you will probably have to wait a couple more months for it to calm down which can drag the gap between cycles right out. i know how you feel though about sometimes wanting to get back on track.

hello everyone else :hello:

all is fine with me, just trying to work out a TTC plan now. i hope i can catch my allusive FS today. she wants me to have another lap in Dec but i am not so sure. xmas is coming and i want to enjoy it with full body and health. kinda feeling a bit free at the moment.

morning all - trigger last night was prety much a breeze (thankfully)! barely any ouchie, but it did bleed like a *****! stopped pretty quickly though and within a few minutes i could touch my tum without being able to pick up where i'd injected - no welt, no pain, no stinging - yay! epu is tomorrow - woo hoo - i'm so excited and yet so freaked out that it's almost here!

very tired and a little queasy this morning, so about to go and curl up in bed for a little longer. sorry for no personals

BG

Hi everyone,

Sorry I haven't posted for awhile...moods have been all over the place lately.

Dusty: sorry to hear your news my dear - must be so heartbreaking. I hope it's getting easier day by day.

BB: How disappointing - I hope you're coping OK.

BG: Congrats on the follies - 59 is an amazing number!

Mel: Can't wait to hear how EPU went - I'll be keeping everything crossed for you!

Sorry, can't get to personals for everyone else, but I've been reading everyone's posts each day.

Well, I had a disappointing visit to the clinic this morning. I'm on Day 9 of the Gonal F injections and the scan showed only 8 follicles, with only 4 over 10mm. I'm gutted. I was hoping for at least 20. BT has shown my estrogen is a bit low, and that must be why - not responding as well as I should. Hopefully my FS will up the dosage of the Gonal F and the 8 I do have will develop well, but it just means less eggs, which means less chance of success. I was really hoping that the first cycle would be it, but it looks like we'll be on this ride for awhile. It's a bit of a thud coming down to earth like this. :cry:

OK, well better get some work done. Hope everyone is having a good day so far.

Vicki

vickie hun - those numbers really aren't as bad as they might first seem - you need to remember - it only takes ONE to make a baby. high number of eggs doesn't make a difference if they're poor quality eggs - it's definitely about quality over quantity (however, i completely undertand how scary and disappointing it is for you right now - please try to stay positive and wait on intructions from your FS)

Vickie, BG is right. Sometimes lower numbers mean better quality. And let me just say, you absolutely DO NOT WANT to have numbers as high as me. EPU is rough, and I'm now off work for at least a week in order to recover, and looking at two months before I can do a FET. Believe me, if I could trade my huge number of eggs to come out with around 8 eggs, I'd do it in a heart beat! I can guarantee that my hyperstimulation means that of my 32, there's probably quite a few cruddy ones in there.

Remember - quality, not quantity! Do not attempt to walk in the shoes of the PCOS-afflicted. And, as they say, it only takes one... :hug:

BW

Thanks BG - you don't know how much I needed to hear that :hugs: I left the clinic this morning bawling my eyes out and rang DH straight away and blubbed over the phone. Just barely holding it together at the moment. I know I shouldn't think the worst, but I had an image in my mind of it all going smoothly, and it's just been dashed.

God, I sound so sorry for myself don't I?? lol. I'll snap out of it - it's not over till the fat lady sings.

Anyway, enough about me - how are you feeling??? Still a bit sore and queasy??

Vicki

Thanks BW - your words have really helped me :hugs: You really are a warrior, considering what you've been through with OHSS! I should think myself lucky, I know. I'll snap out of it, it's just a shock when you first realise that not everything is going to go as smoothly as you'd like. The most frustrating this is the lack of control I think!

How are you feeling after EPU???

Vicki

Vicki, have to totally agree with BW, its quality NOT quantity. Many of the girls (but not all), who get a large number of eggs have PCOS and their eggs arent all that great a quality. In August i had my 2nd stim cycle. We had thought about cancelling the cycle because at day 9-10 the girls said there were only 5-6 eggs. I was devastated. Couldnt understand. The previous cycle I had 12 at EPU. After long discussions we kept going. I was on Gonal F for 15 days....synarel for almost 50 days. And at EPU we got 13 eggs, and then 3 blasts and now i am 16.5 weeks pregnant with twins. I know it can be devastating when you dont get the numbers that you want, but reading in here lately, there have been some girls who have got an extraordinary number of eggs, which doesnt necessarily mean they will end up with embryos from all of them. All you need is some good quality eggs and try not to compare yourself to all these egg makers!!!!! I wish you all the best, try think positive, who knows what they will find at EPU- might be some hiding in there!!!
Mel

not so bad now - went back to sleep for a couple of hours, and am just taking it easy today. have had a fair amount of water already, and am now seriously contemplating dragging myself out of bed and having a hot shower to give me some relief from my headache. i was going to drive into town today to buy a heat pack for tomorrow's trip home (a bit over 100k's) - but i just can't be bothered! i have a couple of hours in hospital tomorrow - hubby can nick off to the shops and buy one!

ETA - as mel mentioned, PCOS may give us large follie counts, and higher egg counts - but there is no guarantee of thw quality - i'd seriously prefer to have triggered last night with a whole lot fewer follies than i have - please don't compare yourself to the PCOSer's - you're fortuntate to not be going through this i promise!

Mel, you're a gem for trying to pep me up! Thank you :hugs: Guess I just have to keep a positive attitude and move forward. I shouldn't jump to any conclusions before talking to my FS I spose.

BG, a hot shower will make you feel so much better - works for me anyway. Hope you continue to improve as the day goes on. I'm sure DH won't mind going to the shops for you - it's the least he can do!

Vicki

My fert results are in! 30 from 32 were mature (woo!). 20 from 30 were good to use, which is way more than anyone expected from my numbers. The polscope showed two thirds of them had spindles (the genetic information) in the wrong spot, so very relieved that we've gone ahead with using it.

They are happy I'm still feeling good, but they tell me that tomorrow will be the day all hell breaks loose if it's going to this time. Either way, I'm comfortable with the decision to go freeze all. I know that even if I manage to avoid the bad OHSS this time, that pregnancy would be enough to tip me over the edge... and if that happens, it would last much, much longer than before.

BW

PG,

your clinic would be aiming for only around 10 eggs at pick up, and while it may not seem like much, it's the number at which you can get enough eggs to work with without other complications arising, such as OHSS. If you get anything between 7-13 eggs, it's actually an optimal cycle, and not at all a bust.

In all my cycles, I never got more than 10 eggs. And BTW, I was in incredible discomfort between trigger and EPU - I could barely walk. And yet I know of others who collected over 20 eggs who had not a smidgen of discomfort during that time. :dunno:

Wow what a weekend it has been in here I hope I catch everyone and if I miss you please take this group hi!

BG - GL for EPU Tues
Miss C - Glad to hear things went well with your ears
TimNik - 1 makes a baby 2 increases the odds GL and stay postive
Shannon - Sorry about your bday :(
Lynros - Welcome
Melsta - GL with EPU looks like good #
BW - Great Fert Rate how are you today?
Kell - Do hang in there I am sure it is all worth it :)
Dusty - GL getting hold of FS
Vicki - With those numbers we have still got 2-3 blaties

Well we had DH's Xmas party I lady went into labour and the other was 8 weeks pg. I know I shouldn't judge but the mothers there were takling about thier children as a hassel and if being Pg was a big issue. I know they are stressed and most probably love thier kids. Just after the last 1 1/2 years of TCC it gets a little hard to hear.

GL to all here I am waiting on AF to arrive so we can start on the AP and do BT's for FS and I do seem to be very moody this month!

that's interesting re the pain after trigger - i've felt more nausea this morning than anything else - i guess it's each to their own. yeah, i can feel my ovaries for sure, and possibly even a bit more than yesterday - but i'm not crippled over in pain or anything - in fact, i'm contemplating what house work i can get done today before DH comes home from work so i can't be feeling too bad at all!


DISCLAIMER - please note - i said i was contemplating housework - i don't think i'm really silly enough to actually DO any... :lol:

DISCLAIMER - please note - i said i was contemplating housework - i don't think i'm really silly enough to actually DO any...


BG - a girl after my own heart

Hello
Just introducing myself.
I have had 2 laps done since end of june for excision of stage 4 endo. Last surgery was 8 weeks ago. I am now on continuous BCP until we commence IVF in January. Feeling a bit apprehensive, trying not to think about it too much but that is impossible! Have been through a bit this year with the surgeries and all the waiting. Trying accupuncture this Thurs for first time. 2 weeks until our IVF appointment with our IVF nurse.
Any advice anyone on how to cope emotionally and physically?

Nice to meet you all and hope you are all going well with your treatments.

Hi All

I have just been for a scan and I have 16 Eggs and am due for EPU on Friday. The doctor is now worried about Hyperstimulation and is saying that if my BT is out then they may not even take the eggs. This is my first time going through this and am starting to panic. What happens if they cancel?

I feel ENORMOUS!:D
Thanks
Dellydoo

Jbub - Welcome and GL
Delly Doo - GL with BT hopefully they won't cancel drink lots of water

Thanks Tiggerlinda
Am chugging it like crazy!