LT TTC & Assissted Conception Mar-Apr 2010

[JBM]

hi guys
danyelle: thanks for putting that info about the other girls with BFP and how they got it, sometimes it is good to be reminded that it does work, it can work. good luck to you

brunette: not long to go now, fingers crossed.

melissal: hug 4 the headache, hope it goes soon and poor DH doesn't get too bad a time. men ?!. good luck to you too.

hi to everyone else. i havn't read all threads as it seems i have missed so much. sorry for that. but i'll try to be good again now and get back on track with checking posts.

afm: well nothing new since yesterday, LOL. have been good with choc over easter and asked DH to get me none, which he did get me nothing, men ?!. then i complained that he got me nothing. he said but you asked for nothing. " i asked for NO chocolate, not nothing" so he owes me. LOL i was really stirring him about it.
so i told him i want a day off as my present and he said the choc would have been easier. LOL
he is going to be getting some time out soon, but hey i need to be nice to him as it is prob only a month away and he will have to have a really big needle put into him to get out some of his friends for our IVF/ ICSI. so i'd better be nice.

LOL

i am so funny.

chat soon to all my girls.

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[trubabe]

brunette i totally hear you about lipoidal hsg's.i have vowed never to have another lipoidal after all the trouble i had after my one.hope you are feeling better now and good luck for you transfer.

tantee yes we paid mum a surprise visit in hospital yesterday.i even rang her from hospital car park when we were waiting for visiting hours to start and let her think we were at home lol.she was practically speechless when i poked my head around the corner lol.we had to wear the super sexy gowns and gloves to go in to see her.i told DP no taking pics and putting on facebook lol.hoping the gown/glove thing isnt needed by friday when i plan on surprising her again when my girls come back from their dads and take them to see her,mind you my girls would probably have a ball dressing up in the gowns etc.today has been the first day i havent been overly sore since lap.mind you one incision came open twice so that made the pain hang around.

i hope everyone is doing ok and had a great easter

[Brunette]

Trubabe, can I ask what your experience was with the lipiodol HSG? I so feel for your mum. Bet your surprise at the hospital cheered her up no end. That lap incisions twice opening sound very painful! I had a lap/hysteroscopy/dye studies about 15 months ago and whilst none reopened I have two horrible keloid-looking scars which I hate!

JBM, why is it that men always take us so literally? My DH had the choice of a reversal or TESA and I know he's very happy that he had the reversal done. Is it very painful for them?

Hey Melissa, looks like I'll see you in the TWW in about a week's time. Our clinic likes to thaw thre-day embies for two days so that they are transferred on day 5, which is about the time when in nature fertilised eggs would make their way into the uterus. But I suppose it depends on what day the embies are frozen. Perhaps if frozen on day 2 they would thaw them for three days? How many embies are you thawing and hoping to transfer?

AFM, I had my transfer early this morning. It all went well. Both reached blasty stage, and one was hatching and the other enlarged (the stage just prior to hatching) so DH and I are pretty happy at the moment. I am going around telling mum and DH that I am PUPO! I suppose it's time to make the move to the TWW thread but I'll be sticking my head in here seeing how everyone is going. GL to all you ladies!

Oops, forgot to ask, my new FS has me on pregnyl injections for this ET. I've had the 5000 iui pregnyl before as a trigger shot, but this time I had one 1500 iui pregnyl the day before ET, I have to have another the day after ET and another in a week's time. I forgot to ask my FS the reason why, and I'm assuming it's to trick the body into thinking it's pregnant as it has hcg in it. Can any ladies offer any info on this? Thanks in advance!

[juniper76]

Brunette, I've done the hcg booster shots before (with different timing) and my understanding is that our bodies metabolise the hcg into progesterone, so it's additional luteal support. I don't think that's the whole story, but I was happy to go along with it because it's not that uncommon. The only time I've gotten to the beta without any sign of AF was when I did 3 crinone/day plus 3 hcg booster shots. The normal 2 crinone/day doesn't do enough for me... They sound like a great pair of blasts! I have my FX for them.

Trubabe, I'm glad you were able to give your mum such a pleasant surprise. Did you tell us how your lap went? I'll have to read back and check if I missed it. It took me about a week to feel back to normal, so you're doing pretty well with 5 days recovery.

Tantee, I'm doing okay thanks. We go back to see our doc on 20/04 to discuss another IVF, so we've still got 2 weeks to decide what we want to do. I've finally made an appointment to start back at acupuncture and am curious to see if she alters the treatment now that I've been diagnosed with endo. (Btw, I was swept away by your huge list of persies. I can never keep up that well!)

Good luck to all of our cyclers and 2ww'ers.

Afm, as I said above, DH & I are trying to work out what to do next. I see 3 options:
1. Do IVF#5. Pros: should be high probability of success (hopefully!); some degree of control; knowledge of how cycle is progressing. Cons: I keep watching that number creep up and now we're halfway to 10; cost; not sure if egg quality would have recovered sufficiently following removal of endo yet (given 120 day growth time).
2. Do FET#2. Pros: lower cost than IVF; stop paying for embryo storage; can also do TI if we do a natural FET (therefore, not a wasted cycle if no transfer). Cons: only 1 embryo frozen; I don't honestly believe the embryo will make it to tranfer (either won't survive thaw or won't get to blast).
3. TTC on our own for 3 months. Pros: I'd love to actually conceive on our own and never have to do another IVF; if we did IVF#5 after this 3 month period we'd have eggs that were less likely to be affected by the endo that was on my ovaries. Cons: lower probability of success than IVF; risk of wasting time (would we be pg earlier if we did IVF instead?).
I just don't know yet which is the right option...

[trubabe]

juniper- from what was said it doesnt look like my endo has come back so who knows whats going on.

brunette-within hours i had uncontrolable full body shakes,then i had severe vomiting,cramping.then about 2 days after it was done i had heavy bleeding for nearly a week even though i only had af the week before.i didnt have pain relief for the lipoidal hsg either so was in a fair amount of pain from it straight away.i was told the shakes and vomiting werent normal and it appeared to be because the lipoidal contrast got into my blood stream.and they couldnt explan why i had such heavy bleeding either

[sunshine 11]

Juniper - Tough choices, but maybe the FET will mean you are giving IVF another month (if it doesn't work) but you are also covering option number 3 at the same time?

Tantee - it must have taken you a while to write all those persies, well done and Thanks!

Brunette- BIG FX and GL for you. Sounds like a pretty good chance of giving us ladies some good news which is VERY much needed around here! xxx

JBM - Don't you love the way we have to thank boys to do stuff that we do without so much as a whimper from anyone else!
kmm - I am so sorry to hear about your embies not doing as well as you had hoped, My only BFP was a day 3 embie with none making it to blast - it's just a numbers game for most of us. I hope you are feeling better today but big hug to you.

Hi to everyone else! Wow, there is a LOT going on in here!

AFM - I am on my month off so trying not to obsess about TTC as I just did 4 months back to back and it's very, very nice not to have to think about it. I also have two big birthdays this month (one referred to in my signature and one for my 35th) so it's been good to be in a good mood for both of those special events. Its only when you have a break you realise how tough this IVF stuff is and how great life is, even though maybe it doesn't always turn out exactly as we would like it to.

[Brunette]

Juniper, thanks for the info about pregnyl. It's weird that it is a multi-purpose drug, by the sounds of it: a trigger and a progesterone support. I'm the same as you: I've never made it to BT without spotting beforehand, and last time I was on four progesterone tabs daily and three progesterone pessaries daily! This time I'm four pess per day and 10 prog tabs. My stomach is black and blue from the clexane injections from day 7. Sometimes they work fine and other times I get these huge bruises which I need to give a wide berth - I'm running out of room!

Re what decision to make, that's really tough. Maybe go in with a game plan but be guided by your new FS? My old nextdoor neighbour has suffered with bad endo her whole life. I think she has had three ops now to remove it, and I remember her telling me her best chance to conceive was the first so many months after the endo was removed. I don't know if that helps at all ... GL on the 20th.

Hi Lairdoz, I'm practising positive visualisation and imagining the little hatching one burrowing into my endometrium. (OMG I hope I don't sound like too much of a nut). After so many attempts, it's a hard path to choose between not getting your hopes up but also finding some hope and not being too pessimistic, if you know what I mean? Enjoy your break from IVF and your upcoming birthday and I'm assuming that of your DH's? On the bright side there's no limit to how many tipples you can enjoy

Trubabe, your HSG lipiodol experience sounds terrible. How is your mum getting on?

[juniper76]

I'm practising positive visualisation and imagining the little hatching one burrowing into my endometrium. (OMG I hope I don't sound like too much of a nut).

Sweetie, if thinking that makes you sound like a nut, then I'm pretty sure you'd have most of us here (if not all of us) for company in the "nut" category! It sounds completely normal to me! In fact, I think it sounds like a great way to be thinking right now.

Lairdoz, I'm thinking along those lines about 50% of the time, so thanks for reassuring me that there is some logic to that. The mental break from TTC sounds like a good idea for letting you enjoy the festivities this month.

Brunette, I've heard the clexane can be pretty brutal so I don't envy your bruises. The timing issue is one I've read before (many even get pg their lap cycle, but unfortunately my lap was right when O was due), but thanks for reminding me of it. We will certainly consider whatever our FS has to say, but I'd like to go into that appointment with some idea of what we want so we can ask questions and understand better, rather than just trusting to blind faith (which got us to this point in the first case).

[Mummawannabe]

Hi everyone,

Just sneaking a peek at how everyone is doing...

Brunette:

I'm practising positive visualisation and imagining the little hatching one burrowing into my endometrium. (OMG I hope I don't sound like too much of a nut). After so many attempts, it's a hard path to choose between not getting your hopes up but also finding some hope and not being too pessimistic, if you know what I mean?

I often say to my hubby that Im visualising 'embie' digging into my uterine wall and I do lil doggy paddle type movements with my hands!!! Every second minute it is so hard to try and not get your hopes up, but not be negative, whilst staying positive, when inside our bodies the decision has probably already been made one way or the other! The TTW sucks the big one!!!

Oh and it seems I suck at quoting too! Sorry guys

[onthefly]

Fixed mwb

I did the same thing Brunette - it seems to have worked.

[Brunette]

Thanks, guys, for your comments and not making me feel like a nutter!

Lairdoz, great quoting as I know exactly what you mean. I've done the research and know that the implantation window is only about 72 hours and after that they're either implanted or not, yet we have to wait for two whole loooong weeks. Soooo unfair.

OMG Marcellus, does your last post mean what I think? Is it a BFP???? FX

[Renee]

Hi girls

Just sticking my head in. GL to everyone on the TWW or about to have EPU my fingers are crossed for all of you

ATM - I have only just o'lated, according to the POAS tests, which is crap cause i'm already on day 34 of my cycle. So i will be nearly 50 days before AF arrives. DH and i have still tried naturally, without stress and pressure this month, so i'm that all my visualistion works. Wouldn't it be great not to have to go back to IVF (for now)!!!

[kmm]

hi Girls.

trubabe- i hope your mum is going well.

brunette - you must be close now. fingers crossed good news is around the corner for you.

brunette & danyelle - thanks again for the posted info. it was good to read the good news.

there are so i have missed, and i'm sorry. you are all in my thoughts, i understand the ride.

to everyone that posted to reassure me, your kindness is much appreciated. i had both my embryos transferred on day three. i only ever wanted one at a time transferred, but given the situation that presented itself, it just felt the right thing. i have tried brunette's & marcellus' theory of visualing them digging in. i feel a bit of a nutter though, but somehow it helps.

wishing evryone the very very very best of luck. x

[dreamrise659]

Hi everyone,

Good luck to all those on the 2ww and heading towards egg pickup.

I was due for egg pick up next week but when I had my scan last Tuesday (ready to start the injections) they noted that my blood tests (which were done on the 10th of Jan) showed I had low immunity to rubella so it was recommended that I get reimmunised and then wait another 28 days before doing this IVF cycle. I was furious with my clinic for not telling me sooner.

Anyway I did have one injection on the Tuesday before we decided to delay treatment. Today I started bleeding (I am still on Synarel twice daily so shouldn't be getting a period at all and even if I was I wouldn't be due for atleast another 10 days). I cried on the toilet because I didn't understand how this could happen or what it meant. I rang the clinic and they said it might be due to having had the one injection and then stopping as it could have the same effect as going on the pill and then stopping (in which case you normally get a period 3 or 4 days later but this is now 8 days since I had the injection). Anyway they seem to think it is nothing to worry about. I'm not so sure and wish they would investigate a bit more because I don't want to get up to next month and find out my body hasn't been doing what it's meant to do and they could have figured it out now and changed my treatment. I'm extremely unimpressed with my clinic - Ballarat IVF.

I'm feeling really frustrated on so many levels and I haven't even properly started my first IVF cycle yet (though I started paying the clinic in Feb). At this stage I'm due for egg pick up the week of the 10th of May.

I can relate to comments about struggling being around other people's babies etc. I have found it hard since I started trying and friends will get pregnant on their first attempt of AI (donor insemination) and only started talking about thinking about having a baby a few months earlier and it seems so unfair when I started my donor search in Dec 06 and wasn't able to start AI (donor insemination) until Jan 09 and only managed 3 attempts in 13 months due to crazy cycles and now am trying IVF... it's hard to be happy for them when you think - but why can't I be that lucky! It must be very hard for (I can't remember who it was... was it kmmm?) the woman who had to help look after the 19yr old's 4 month old baby... because you would be thinking - but why did she get pregnant and I can't?

I haven't even started yet and I feel like I want to give up! I'm so tired of this rollercoaster ride. I told my ex that I was thinking of stopping and was asked would I actually feel okay with that... or would I regret it later on when I was too old to have a baby (I turn 37 in June). I said I know I would regret it because I already regret leaving it this long... I wish I had the guts to start trying before I turned 30. But I don't know if I have the energy to keep trying. I admire you women who keep going back for heartbreak after heartbreak with IVF, and still manage to hold onto hope. I was originally hoping to do 2 or possibly 3 attempts but I don't know any more. How do you do it?

Lori
DD 13
Started donor search Dec 06, Started donor insemination Jan 09, Started IVF process Feb 10.

[Loops12]

Hi Ladies
Ive been MIA for a few days - trying to get back to normal life.
Hope you all had a wonderful Easter.

Got BT HCG result of 3 last week so no curette needed, feel a bit because after all we went through its now all over.
Thinking Im taking a bit of a break from BB. Arranging holiday to Tassie as well in May which will be good.

Wishing you wonderful ladies all the very best. Hoping to see lots of BFP's before long. GL all!

[Brunette]

KMM, so was your ET on the 6th? If so, maybe you'll join me in the TWW. It's very quiet in there ATM. I'm just rattling around keeping myself company

Dreamrise, sorry to hear that your cycle was cancelled. I can't believe your clinic didn't test for rubella beforehand, as for our clinic it was one of a handful of routine tests we had to undertake before we could start IVF. Re your comment about paying in Feb but now perhaps not doing a cycle till May, they should offer you the option of keeping what you've paid in credit or refunding it to you. Just a thought. IVF is certainly a very difficult road, and it doesn't get any easier unfortunately when faced with multiple non-successes. For me, the one advantage of having done a few cycles is you at least know what to do and what is coming. Chin up. Take time to think things through. You'll reach the right decision for you and DH. May sounds like a long way away but it will be here before you know it.

Hey Loops, enjoy your upcoming holiday! So totally understandable that you're feeling sad after what you've been through. You handled it so admirably.

[juniper76]

dreamrise, I'm sorry to hear your cycle was postponed. I just wanted to reassure you that you will normally get AF on Synarel during an IVF cycle. Normally you start the synarel at CD21 or 7dpo in the cycle before the IVF and then start stims after AF arrives. Synarel can delay AF though. But I agree it's worth discussing with your doctor to prevent any more avoidable delays. I hope you can get a satisfactory explanation from them.

Hi to everyone else!

[dreamrise659]

Hi everyone,

Juniper76, and Brunette, thanks for your support. I did have Rubella tested for in Jan as part of my routine tests and was told that all my results for everything was fine. Then when I had my scan ready to check my body was responding to synarel and that I was ready to start on Gonal, they suddenly advised me that the results they had known for over 6 weeks showed I had low immunity to Rubella so it was recommended I get re-immunised and wait 28 days before starting on Gonal. I'm ****ed because the clinic had these results since mid Feb but didn't tell me until my scan on the 30th of March.

Apparently the doctor highlighted the results on my file but didn't follow up with me and everytime I rang and spoke to any of the nurses they apparently assumed I knew these results. So when I asked "are my test results back and is everything okay?" they answered "yes everything is fine"!!!

I started on Synarel on the 15th March, so had my first period after that on the 21st of March. Thats why I was so confused by this bleeding... because it is only day 19 of this cycle (and my previous ovulatory cycles have tended to be around 35 days so really this is only around the time I should have been ovulating on a normal cycle - not bleeding). Anyway hopefully what the clinic said is right and it is just a response to the fact that I did have one injection of Gonal on the 30th of March and then stopped.

Hopefully the next 20 days of waiting will run smoothly and by the time I have my next scan my body will be on track for me to start the Gonal properly.

Lori
DD - 13yr old
Started donor search Dec 06, Started donor insemination Jan 09, Started IVF process feb 10