LT TTC & Assisted Conception Jan-Feb 2011

:hug: sorry you didn't get huge numbers katones. Hopefully one is all you'll need (plus a couple of extras for later :) ) Am I wrong in assuming it only took one for you last time? Hopefully this will be a repeat!

yeah we ony went through 1 cycle last time round :) which resulted in my little man Jack :) it was a twin pregnancy but we lost jacks twin at 6 weeks

morning all :)

It's been a while since I have posted in here as I have had nothing to report. But I have been lurking!

Katones...I know it sounds cliche, but it only takes one to do the job. Stay positive and keep your chin up :) I have my fingers crossed for you!

Teirae...Well done on being so philosophical about the timing of your FS appointment. I think I am about to go through a similar thing. I am scheduled to start my first cycle on or about Wednesday when AF comes. DP and I have our last preliminary appointments at the clinic on Monday (counselling and FS) and I was just about to transfer the $$$ into the clinic's account so I could get all of the scripts for the medication when we are there so we are all ready to go on CD1. BUT DP still hasnt got his police check back :( I have called them twice now and they have said they are still waiting to hear back from three other States. They were really nice about it and said they will prioritise it but Victorian law states I cant start treatment until the clinic has both Police checks back...Cut a long story short, I have to call first thing each day to see if it is ready or not....By the way, DP has never been in trouble with the police anywhere at any time!!! So there will not be a problem in the long run, just means I may not be able to start this month....DAMMIT!!! I think I just need to be take a leaf out of your book Teirae and tell myself it's meant to be...uuuggghhhhh!!!!!

Anyway, enough of my rant. Hope everyone else is ovulating, jabbing, temping, AF-ing, etc, etc as you should be! Best of luck for this month everyone :)

take care

n2l

hey laides, sorry katone about your numbers :( but it only takes one! im a bit nervous about my numbers too, i had a BT on thursday and my levels are good booked in for ultrasound on monday but both other times my levels have been really high due to lots of follicles so im worried this time there isnt many? but this is my first antagonoist cycle too and i know not as many grow during these cycles.

Nothing2lose you need a police check?? wow i never knew that!! do you need them in nsw too?? I have had millions because i need them for work, but DH hasnt...and he has prior convictions... (over 20 years ago tho)...that better not get in our way, cause i will be really ****ed off! i have a fair bit of 'it will happen when it is meant to' and paitience and faith....but only so much =P now im worried =(
oh i really really really really really hope your dp's comes through soon!!!!! some people get theres the next day other ppl have to wait weeks...its crazy.

*hugs* Katones

hope your levels are ok oneday thing about quality over quantity =)

Teirie, try not to stress about the police check. If it's a problem you can always appeal to the ethical board. Fingers crossed for you.

Teirae,

Dont stress, it's only in Victoria that you need both Police checks and Department of Human Services checks. It's discriminatory and it's sooooo wrong but I have no choice but to abide by the law :(

Fingers crossed it comes before AF does!!!!! (perhaps if I use a cork?? :ROFL:)

n2l

yea, it is kind of wrong...i just see so many druggos and people who dont want children popping them out, and DOCS being involved and it makes me so mad that they can just keep having kids, no responsibility and we cant...and then people like us and you who want it so badly and then they make you get checked up and might stop you...

*breathes*

and PMSL at your cork idea!!! =)

It's nearly as good as ppl telling you that there's a reason you can't get pregnant, god intended, the universe... Blah blah blah. The surrogacy debate at the moment infuriates me.

Ladies i cant believe they are doing police checks, who are they to say we cant have a baby because we may have a criminal record! but its ok for the drugos to have them and all the bad parents that have them naturally! they really need to be doing checks on those kinds of ppl. Even with my clinic you have to have your rubella and HIV checked every 12 months otherwise you cant do a cycle! WTF so if i had HIV would they not let me have a baby? i know you prob shouldn't but i dont see the reason they have a right to deny us treatment, after all we are paying for it.

Nothing to lose to give you a bit of hope if AF does turn up before the police report, my nurses always told me you can start a cycle a few days after she shows up too? so this could give you a few extra days to get it xxx

oneday: i can understand to a degree why they are doing this but maybe they should screen all people who want to be parents, or we have to do a test or something. maybe a childcare course, may help us mums. good luck to you.

melindann: hi to you.

teirae: this is a real debate, but yeah i see so many people who i just want to take their kids off them and this is just at the supermarket,. but i wouldn't do it. sometimes things just aren't fair.

nothing2lose: hi to you
katones and kass: hi to you both

AFM: well i made my FS app for end of feb so we are one step closer. woohoo

Hey there ladies

Just a little question? How do you cope with certain family members? A close family member, 5 days after our first failed cycle told me that she feels my pain as much as I do but I need to deal with it so she doesn't need to walk on eggshells around me (WTF???????), she has been telling the whole world how selfish DH and I are because we needed to get away by ourselves for Christmas, pulled me up in front of a whole restaurant of people yesterday cos I was hardly eating cos I had THE most massive hormone headache, that night on FB she is going on about what a lovely evening she had and listed everyone who went except for me and says the most crass and hurtful things around me quite often and I am certain they weren't just casual comments said without thinking . . . I am trying so hard to stay calm this cycle but every time I see/hear of her, it sets my teeth on edge. I know the most sensible thing would be to just stay away but why does she have to be such a b!tch?
Sigh, little rant over :(

melissa ~ hun my MIL is one that irritates me BIG time....i DON'T want to talk to her about our cycle BUT she insists on asking me questions....i quite simply answer her question then clam up....i think she is getting the message now....

had to have a final blood test this morning.... three jabs later 2 in one arm and afew digs in the other.....now i look like a junkie
all set for tuesday morning 7.00am i have to be at the hospital and i am first on the list 8.00am
i actually have 8 follies BUT one is too big and they are now calling it a cyst :( and the other 4 are smaller...and the three that loo promising are of good size...maybe my smaller ones have grown??wishful thinking huh??

i am starting to feel really nervous and sick thinking about my trigger injection at 8pm....

oh Melissa!! I think you need to get that horrible person out of your life for a while. I know its hard when they are family memebers, but that is the oppisite of what you need right now. you need someone who will support you and help you through such an emotional time! I'd avoid her, and make it clear that you dont want someone who is so acidic!! (in saying that i only know this person from what you just said, so of course maybe she isnt a horrible person, but those things she said and the way she acted is horrible) *hugs*

Katones GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 i will be thinking about you tues morn!! and stalking to find out the results!!! oh i'm crossing everything for you!!!!!

JBM I hope your appointment comes quick (quicker than ours which feels like years)

we still have 2 1/2 weeks til our appointment....it just seems so far away!!!!! i thought it was much closer =(

just worked myself up for nothing.....trigger injection was fine :) last time i had to do it the needle was HUGE!!!!!!!

=) glad it wasnt as bad as you were expecting Katones, do you have to do it or do they do it? (please excuse my ignorance...)

Melissa that is horrible! I agree you need to stay away from people like that. Im very lucky to have a supportive family on both sides but we have decided not to tell anyone but our bestfriends and bosses this time because it is becoming too hard to tell EVERYONE when another cycle fails and then i feel i have to answer to everyone with their non supportive questions e.g maybe there is something wrong with you, why isnt it working etc, i think its just easier this way and when pepole ask when we are doing anther cycle i just say we are having a break for now.

Katones i wish you all the best xxxxxxx

Teirae i hope the 2 week wait goes very quickly for you xxx

AFM ultrasound tomorrow which im really nervous about, i know the short cycles are different to the long down reg cycles but just dont have much tenderness around my ovaries like i usually do but have had that yucky clear discharge which i think is a good thing? sorry for TMI lol. Will let you know how i go.

Melissa, really sorry to hear about your insensitive family member. Is is possible DH could go into bat for you? Or another family member...?? and tell her to BACK OFF!!!

DP and I have told no-one really (my mum, his mum) that we are doing any sort of fertility treatment, let alone IVF. To me it is a private matter and I dont want to be explaining to everyone and his dog that it hasnt worked if it doesnt.

hugs to you ...and remember - you dont have to explain yourself to anyone!

Katones - best of luck x

Oneday...my experience is you inject yourself

n2l

injections all done by MOI :) DH couldn't even be there when they were done...scaredy cat

hi there
Teirae I hope the 2 1/2 weeks fly by quickly for you.

Katones best of luck with your EPU.

Nothing2Lose I hope the police check arrives in time. It's so frustrating to have to get all this extra paper work. I remember last year we had to get the child protection orders in before we could go ahead with treatment.

Oneday. i'm very interested in how you find the Antagonist cycle. I've done one of each and I found I got a lot of follicles with the Antag but the end result was the same amount of eggs compared with the Down Reg. I also found I had a lot more pain after the EPU with the Antag. My FS said the follicles mature all around the same time with the Down Reg. Best of luck with the Scan.

AFM. Finally finished the BCP which I'm relieved about. It was giving me headaches and mood swings. I have my first BT this Friday and will pick up the rest of the medication.

Good luck to everyone else in their cycles. Will have to do a big catch up to find out how everyone else is going when I have some more time.

xx HB

Hi Ladies,

Hi Everyone, I am back in the game after a month off over Christmas. Wow, so many new names in here. I hope that your stay here is brief IYKWIM.

I am starting a new medicated FET cycle today as AF has arrived. I had delayed it by a week or so as I had to wait to see a respitory specialist in regard to a cough I have had since early October. He gave me the all clear so hopefuly I'm right to go. I would have preferred to be 100% before continuing but if he's ok with it then so am I.

FS suggested we transfer 2 this time but I am a bit hesitant and am looking at transferring only one as the thought of multiples scares me a bit. I may transfer one this time as it will be my first FET with a blastocyst and if unsuccessful (and lucky enough to have remaining embies) then transfer 2 next time. It feels like you are always in a dilemma with this IVF business, always something to worry about or a new decision to make!!

Melissa - sorry that you are having family problems. I find one of the hardest things to cope with is the insensitivity of people you thought you could rely on. Although it is only a select few, it can really help bring you down. Try and keep your chin up and surround yourself with only those that you know are there for you. This journey is hard enought without the mean spirited ignorance of others adding to your load.


Hi to everyone else - I hope you are all feeling good about where you are in your cycle. GL to everyone having their scans this week. I will catch up with who is where over the next few days, but it is so busy in here at the moment!

Bring on lots of BFP's for 2011!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi ladies just a quick one before bed, had ultrasound today and everything looks really good, EPU is on thursday :) would have been wednesday but its the public holiday and there is lots of follicles she said about 20?

Happybaby, so far i much prefer the antaganoist cycle much quicker and easier but will let you know with end result, and was suprised that i have lots of follicles cause i dont feel anywhere near as tender around my ovaries as my last 2 long down reg cycles? xxx

oneday: good luck for EPU , wow 20 , scary . hope all goes well

tantee: good luck FET, woohoo for you.

katones: glad all your injections are done, yeah mean big scaredy cats, LOL. fingers croseed for you

who did i forget ? sorry if it was you.

i am trying really hard to keep up with everyone, but sometimes it's hard as i am flat out atm with work and life.
about one month to go til FS app.

chat soon

I'm home from EPU :) all went well...except they had to wake me as i was that zonked from the sedation...lol
5 eggies :) transfer on Thursday, fone call tomorrow 8.30amish to et me know how many fertilized :)

oh Katones!!! I hope they all are for you!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi all!

Good news for me today too :)

Had my final pre-lim appointments yesterday, paid for my cycle and picked up my medication. Starting to get bad cramps and AF is due tomorrow...so...WE ARE ON OUR WAY TO STARTING OUR FIRST IVF CYCLE...:)

DP's police check still isnt back but they are letting us start on the proviso that if it hasnt arrived by transfer time, any embryos we have will be frozen until it arrives. That gives us another two weeks or so...FX it gets here!!

So now I am nervous, excited, scared, happy - pretty much everything rolled into one.

Turns out because DP's SA wasnt too bad we are just doing IVF, not ICSI this cycle. Of course I am a bit worried this may reduce our chances but I am leaving it in the hands of our FS. She also mentioned yesterday that if she gets a few good embryos she will consider implanting two! Never thought about that, still not sure how I feel, but then, as DP said, 'We should be so lucky...."

As I am a total newbie to this, I was wondering if one (or more) of the old timers in here (no emphasis on 'old' lol) might be able to answer a couple of questions...Thanks!!!

- Is it best to take the gonal f in the morning or at night?
- Did you get many side effects? What?
-For those who have done clomid cycles, is the feeling in your ovaries similar? Or is it more painful?
- Will I become an emotional wreck? (some might say I already am an emotional wreck!)
-Can you go to work the day after EPU?
-Can you go to work straight after transfer? Or should you take day off and lie down?

I think that's it for now!!!

Thanks for your help (and patience!!)

take care all x

n2l

Katones ~ excellent result, FX'd tight for you that they all fertilise and the cells divide nicely.

Oneday ~ wow 20 great result, hope you get lots at EPU then! FX for a great EPU!

Tantee ~ great to see you back, all the best with your cycle!

JBM ~ Hope the time goes quick for you up to your FS appointment

Happy Baby ~ goodluck with your cycle hun. I did an Antag cycle last time after 2 down regs and next go they are putting me back on the down reg as I too ended up with the same result - no better off even though I had 20 collected with Antag I only ended up with 2 to transfer and none to freeze. They think for me the down reg cycles might be better for some reason.

Tei and Nothing2lose ~ hi and hope you're both well
Hi to anyone else I may have missed -:stickyvibesboy::pink-babydust: for all

AFM ~ well you can probably see by my status that AF has still not reared her ugly head. Bloomin body, wish she'd hurry up already - I want my cycles back to normal :wall:

Hi all, not long for me to go now!! First appointment to pick up meds next week and AF due in a week and a half, so all systems go.

Nothing2lose, to answer some of your questions, my FS recommended gonal in the morning, and the other one at night. back when I did my first cycle, they were both at night an hour apart, but then he told me there was research to suggest that it was better separating them to morn and night. The only side effects I had were severe bloating. I went back to work the day after EPU. You can go staight to work after ET, but on my successful cycle I decided to take the rest of the day off and feet up....who knows if this made a difference or not, but I certainly felt less stressed!!

Hi to everyone else, good luck with your cycles! We are on holidays so hard to write a long reply with personals!!!

Thanks ladies, fingers crossed :)

Nothingtoloose, with my first 2 STIM cycles i did my lucrin, gonal-f and puregon i did it at 8 every night but this STIM cycle my nurse asked me to do them in the morning so i did it at 7 every morning, this was due to some ppl mixing up their injections with the ovidrel (trigger injection) so either way i dont think it matters.

I dont get any side effects i just get tired leading up to EPU.

I tried to make the mistake of going to work the day after EPU last STIM cycle but i was in too much pain so i called and said i needed another day off so i advise if you can to take another day off to rest. Also a heat pack/water bottle helps. I always go back to work the day after transfer but i always have the day of off and during the 2ww i take it easy at work and home.

i am not back to work until next monday :) i worked yesturday, off today, tomorrow is a PH and i don't/won't work PH's i took Thursday off off for the transfer and i don't work fridays :) worked out good for us

needles....both mine were dne in the morning, at the same time of the day

katones goodluck with everything i hope you get good news about your embies and transfer goes well xx will be in the 2ww sat or tues :) xxxx

Ladies im stuck on the transfer decision AGAIN!! We agreed that if we only get 5 or less that fertilise again then we will do a day 2 transfer but will be transfering 2 embies no matter what the outcome is (if we get 2 this time!) but im not sure if we should just try a day 2 transfer this time regardless? our past 2 STIM we have done day 5 transfers, we got one pg out of it but lost it so one part of me says try something different and the other part of me is saying day 5's are better quality! I hate having these decisions in my hands!

Is it OK if I pop my head in here and ask if a pregnyl trigger can make your boobs leak? :redface: I don't know others who trigger, sorry :redface:.

Best of luck to everyone cycling, I usually lurk and hope and pray with you all but never post as I am not quite here yet.

xoxo
M

we are transferring 2 embies if we get 2+ they will be day 2 embies :)
scientist was fine with our decision today when we spoke to him after our EPU :)

Thanks for your replies everyone :)

I think I will try and get the three days off work around the EPU/transfer. Shouldnt be too much of an issue.

I am a little confused about the injection timing though...I only have to have the gonal f until the antagonist jab/s (orgalutran) after cd8 or so, and then the trigger (ovidrel). Is this what everyone means by both injections??

I think I will ring the FS and get clarification about the day/night thing. My natural inclination - compounded with everyone in here's advice - is to do it at night.

Thanks!!

n2l

PS Sorry for the "me" post! Back for persies later :) But needless to say, GOOD LUCK everyone :)

well we had 4 mature eggs and 1 little egg (not mature) 3 fertilized but we are only left with 2 properly fertilized which are going in tomorrow :)

Hi everyone - looks like the January rush is in full swing!

Katones - good luck tomorrow! It's fantastic that you have two good ones ready to go - especially after your initial scan had just two follies - enjoy your long weekend - sending you lots of:stickyvibesgirl::stickyvibesboy:

Oneday - good luck with your pickup tomorrow - 20 follies is huge! Hope they're all nice and juicy and you gets lots of healthy embies! The 2/5 day decision is tricky... ones that make it to 5 days are meant to be more likely to keep going, but at the same time there are plenty of people who've had success with two or three days, and who knows? Some may just want to be back in their natural environment in order to fully thrive. At least with a two day you will get the maximum number of attempts - Whatever decision you come to will be the right one for you - good luck!

Happybaby - hope your bt goes well on Fri

Tantee - good luck with this one!

nothingtolose - Hope your pick up goes well and you get your clearance in time for transfer. My clinic advised me to do shots in the morning, I don't know if there was a medical reason, or if it's just for practicality. I would find it really hard to be at home at the same time each night in order to do a shot. I've never had any side effects from the meds, other than being a bit tired by pickup time. I always went back to work the day after pickup, again, I've never had any side effects. With transfers I usually take advantage of being able to take the rest of the day off :) Hope everything goes smoothly for you!

Loops - still no af? I can't imagine how frustrating that must be. Hope she hurries up. Glad DH is going well

Hi JBM, Teirae, melindaann, mellisaI and jayejaye - hope you're all well :)

afm -first bt was yesterday, not quite there yet so trying again tomorrow. I think my transfer will probably be on Tuesday. Not long to go!

Happy Australia Day all! Hope you're having a nice day. I am at work but its double time :)

Katones ~ Getting two to transfer is excellent - double chance of sticking. Will be :crossfingers: for you and thinking of you tomorrow!

Thanks Kass ~ no still no AF but bad migraines today so think she is coming this weekend. FX'd for you for great scans - hope lots of juicy follies growing!

Maruschke ~ Hi and welcome. Sorry never heard of leaking bbs. Leaking in what way? I know Pregnyl can have a few side affects though - it made my bbs very sore and gave a lot of PG type symptoms. All the best for your cycle FX'd for you!

Oneday ~ Ive never done a two or 3 day transfer as my clinic just doesnt do them but I was keen to try as I've seen a lot of successful PGs over the yrs with 2 or 3 day transfers and I just wonder whether because they are in the natural environment sooner perhaps its better - but I know its a tuff decision. Goodluck with whatever you decide. I think at the end of the day its either just our time or not - but I think you and I are long overdue! xo

Nothing2lose ~ Sorry I am not familiar with Gonal f as Ive always had Puregon. All the best though, :crossfingers: for a BFP for you!

JayeJaye ~ All the best with TTC baby #2!

One day - if it helps, my clinic pretty much only does two day transfers....

all the best x

n2l

Thanks ladies for your advice, i am steering more towrads the day 2 transfer this time just so we get a few more tries and i think why not try something different? and like you said loops maybe they do like being in their natural environment better? i guess we will never know but all we can do is try different options. I will make my full decision on friday when i find out how many fertilise.

Nothingtoloose, i did my puregon (which is the same as gonal-f) at 7 every morning and then when i started orgalutran i did both at 7 every morning, one on each side of my belly button and then when it came time to trigger that was at night time (always is) its 36hrs before egg pick up.

Kass goodluck xxx

Katones, thats great that 3 fertilised i have everything crossed for you xxxxx

Just a question, have your partners always been with you for transfer? my DH has only ever missed one out of our 5 but he isnt coming to them anymore because his boss is starting to get ****ed off with him taking the time off cause he dosn't need to be there that day. Im a bit emotional about it but i guess it dosnt really matter?

DH won't be there with me tomorrow :( he had tuesday off and today (PH) and desperatly wants to be there but considering he is in charge (his boss is on leave) he has to be there