LT TTC & Assisted Conception Jan-Feb 2011

Hi everyone :)

Sounds like everyone is travelling along pretty well....

Katones - I think you may have a winner there...I am no expert but it sounds like your symptoms are starting to increase. Hopefully it will all add up to some really wonderful news for you!! FX

Oneday - Your transfer sounds wonderful. I am so glad your DH could be there in the end. Look after yourself in the coming days! Take care x

Happybaby - Seems like we are on a similar schedule with our jabbing, etc. What type of cycle are you doing?

Tantee - I hope they get to the bottom of your cough mystery and that it does not hamper your quest to get UTD for too long. Dumb, dumb question but are you taking supplements/multivitamins?? Maybe that might help your body fight whatever it has to fight in order to get rid of the infection (or whatever it is!!)

Saffy - Hope your thaw went well. Looking forward to hearing some happy news from you

Kass- best of luck for your transfer on Friday. May you be one of the BFPs we are surely due for in here very soon :)

AFM - I have a question. I am currently CD7 and I have done 4 jabs of gonal f (262.5 iui) so far. And, apart for a slight swollen feeling on the right ovary (my dominant ovary) on Monday night, I have had no pain or any other side effects. So while on one hand this is good, on the other hand I am starting to think maybe this isnt working. On the clomid (which worked getting me ovulating with nice follicles every month) I had real pain in my ovaries. They felt soooo swollen. I guess I was expecting more with the gonal f. Especially as this is meant to stimulate the ovaries so much more than the clomid. I have a scan and BT tomorrow but, of course, I cant wait until then!!!! I would love to hear what everyone else's experience has been. Should I be worried that I am not responding? Or is it too early to feel pain??

Thanks everyone :)

n2l

N2L - In my experiences, I have found there to be few side affects in the ovary region until I have been stimming for nearly a week. Up until then, I don't feel too much discomfort at all. I find that it's the higher Estrogen levels (mine tend to go pretty high, I have PCOS) that give me the worst symptoms such as nausea and a general off feeling. I also did clomid for 5 months prior to my first IVF and found it to be very different feeling, very intense especially in the first couple of months and I was a hell of a lot moodier. Maybe it's a different kind of stimulant, I don't know. The IVF tends to feel like more of a slow build up.
re your IVF, It may not feel like much is happening, but more than likely, it is, especially as your dose is quite considerable so try not be too concerned.. you will have a good indication tomorrow and they can adjust your dosage to suit if needed. Good luck!!!

oneday - sounds like your transfer went really well. fx for a bfp in a couple of weeks! Hope your blasties have done really well overnight and you have a few in the freezer today

Saffy - how did your transfer go?

ntl -like tantee said, it may just be working differently. I've never had any symptoms (I've been on puregon not gonal f) try not to worry - I'm sure it's all ok!

Tantee - hope your appointments go well today!

afm - starting to get nervous about Friday - my cervix has a history of being difficult to navigate and my transfers are always pretty painful. I had a dream last night where my dr gave up halfway through the transfer - I was so upset when I woke up! :rolleyes:

hello ladies

Ohh some good news in here with the transfers and symptoms.

Tantee I told my FS I wanted to transfer 2 embies this time. I figured I've transferred 4 singles so far and only one has implanted so I'm not worried about both implanting. I hope you find out the cause of your cough.

n2l I'm on day 5 with jabbing. I'm on a down reg with 200 iui of puregon. It's the highest dose I've been on although last time it was 187.5 so not much different. But I'm the opposite to you. I've really noticed the heavy feeling in my ovaries that I usually get around day 11. I have my scan and BT on Monday which will be day 10.

Oneday Good news your transfer went well. I hope you get some embies to freeze. Best of luck in the 2WW.

Katones I hope you're feeling better or that your symptoms are pg related.

Kass Best of luck for the transfer on Friday.

Saffy, Loops and everryone else I've missed a big hello to you.

xxHB

Thanks girls!

I actually just got an answer to my own question! A member of my nursing team (well, not MY nursing team, but you know what I mean!) just rang to confirm my scan appointment tomorrow. I asked him about my non-symptoms and whether they are indicative of a poor response. He said, 'Absolutely not' and that many women who have 'brilliant' results have no symptoms whatsoever. I am hoping I am one of them!!!!

I guess I will find out tomorrow :)

n2l

N2L- don't worry I had more symptoms from clomid as well, I only had a slight feeling in my ovaries with my stim cycle and got 10 egs, so don't stress and good luck!

kass- transfer was good thanks, hope yours goes as smoothly x

tantee- hope you sort the cough, at least if it is whooping cough they can get rid of it with antis xx

oneday- see you in the tww thread, hope this is the one for you xx

hi happybaby- hows the jabbing going? xx

AFM- transfer today, it went well, bit more painful than last time but the doctor I had this time is more abrupt and rougher ( I know him so I knew what to expect) but nothing too bad anyway. Soooo I might head on over to the tww thread, wish I could feel more positive. Good luck girls see some of you in the tww thread soon x

Thanks ladies :) unfortunelty no embies for freezing :( i am going to follow this up.

N2L that's exactly right, this STIM (first antaganoist) i didnt really have any feeling at all around my ovaries which i have with my previous two long down reg ones but i ended up with 16 eggs so don't stress, i have always had high numbers but this time just didn't really feel anything? all the best hun xx

Ladies goodluck with your transfers, i have everything crossed xxxx

Tantee i hope everything gets sorted out for you and you can begin TTC again real soon xxx

Hi all,

Well the good news is I am not going to be one of those annoying people who come into one of these threads and three minutes later has a BFP.

I had some not so great news today when I went for my scan/bt.

I only have two small follicles on my right ovary !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (12mm and 13mm)

I am CD 8 and I have been jabbing for 5 days so I was expecting more. That's the sort of result I was getting on the clomid. So I am just a little bit gutted. It seems like so early in the cycle to have a setback.

My FS was okay. She told me not to fret and put my dose of gonal f up to 415 iui. I also start cetrotide on Saturday and have to have another BT on Saturday and another scan on Monday.

I guess I was just hoping for better results....

n2l

hugs nothing2lose hun

i had only 8 follies all up, 1 of those ended up becoming a cyst making it seven....5 follies being of OK size which resulted in my 5 eggies, other 2 were to teeny....

hugs hun i so know your disappointment

Thanks Katones...

It's a bugger isnt it... Hugs to you too x

n2l

dunno if this is promising...but DH thinks it is...

DS just had some chips and he brought them near me and i had to hold my breath and DS had to move...the smell made me want to chuck.....also the meat we were havng for dinner...the smell got to me...

OMG!!! If I was "off" chips I would think something was seriously wrong : P

But for you - sounds like you're UTD :D

FX

n2l

N2L keep positive everything will work out hopefully with your doses being put up there will be more follicles next scan xxxx

Katones that sounds good :) fingers crossed.

N2L- oh darl, I'm sorry- this happened to me and I was devastated, my cycle ended up being cancelled ( I only had one good one that turned too big) BUT there is still time for them to grow esp with a higher dose FX your next scan gives you a better result. If worse comes to worse,I got a much better result next cycle with a higher dose so I'm sure the same will happen to you, sending you growing vibes for your follies xx

N2L I'm sending you some growing vibes too. Hope the higher dose does the trick.

Katones FX it means your UTD!

ntl - hope upping the dose works! I know there have been a few people on here who have had low numbers that have improved with the increased dose - hope your next scan is a lot better

Katones - sounding very promising!

oneday - sorry you didn't get any to freeze, hope your tww is going well!

afm - transfer today was the best so far! No pain, no needles and no bleeding! Such a relief! On the down side, the first emby didn't thaw, and the one they put pack was only a grade 2. Of the two that I've now got left, the embryologist thinks it's unlikely either will thaw successfully, so if this doesn't work it's back to a fresh cycle. Trying to stay positive :)

Hi Ladies

Katones ~ Sounds very promising, FX'd tight for you! I'm the same as N2L, I think if I were off chips Id be PG LOL

Kass ~ Happy you were ok this transfer but hugs for the embies. This one you have in must be a fighter though - good attitude, try and stay pos, you are still in with a chance, :crossfingers:!!

Oneday ~ so sorry you didnt get any to freeze - I know all too well what that feels like - hugs! Stay positive about this lil one though!

GL in the TWW ladies and to the rest of you, GL with the jabbing etc!
Sorry can't do better persies, quite busy.
Thinking of you all however

have had a crappola day :(
seriously beginning to think it's not gunna happen this time round......
crampy tummy most of the afternoon & been in tears

Hi all

Took my first dose of gonal f at 415iui last night and it has knocked me out a little. All day I have felt slightly nauseous and dizzy and a little tired. Hopefully it means it is working..!

I happened to read the information leaflet that comes with the gonal f today. OMG! It said they make the follistime alpha using the lining of Chinese Hamster Ovaries!!!!!!!!!! I kid you not. It sounds like they are making it up! I laughed until I realised I am injecting myself with this stuff. LOL I HATE RODENTS!!! lolololol

Kass- Congrats on the pain free transfer. I am sure your emby will be fine. Best of luck :)

Hello to everyone else. Hope you are all well.

Take care

n2l

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have had a crappola day :(
seriously beginning to think it's not gunna happen this time round......
crampy tummy most of the afternoon & been in tears

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I think that's a good sign!!!! Dont give up yet!!!!

Talk about tears...I spent the morning on the couch crying watching The Biggest Loser.....Hormones!!!

keep your chin up sweetie xx

thanks hun :)

Hey everyone,
I've been quiet, but have been reading and keeping up with everyone, we are just waiting for our first FS appointment next week.

sending everyone all my sticky vibes and baby vibes and ovulation vibes i have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me too, me too, been reading but very much a lurker this week.

Katones - everything is crossed for you hun. Hoping that your cramping is just lil bub snuggling in tight - being off chips has gotta be a good sign. How long do you think you can hold out before testing? Or are you one of these amazing women who can just wait for the BT result? Good luck :)

N2L - hoping that giant Gonal F dose is gonna kick those ovaries into action. When do you have your next scan? Oh just answered my own question - hope your E2 has increased nicely when you have your BT today. Hang in there

Oneday - yay for two nice little embies on board but that is a bummer that none made it to the freezer. Here's hoping you wouldn't have needed them anyway when you get a lovely BFP from this cycle. Hope the 2ww flies by for you

Kass - glad your transfer went ok. I've had one easy peasy one but the last one - OMG that hurt. Apparently I have a retroverted ute which doesn't help, but no mention of that was made during our first cycle, just the ouchie one so dunno if I do or not. I'm guessing they don't move!!!!!! Hope you have a nice cruisy 2ww as well (though do these exist?!)

Me - day 3 of stims today - YAY!!! This time round, things seem to be moving soooooo sloooooowly. I need to learn some patience. Had a shocker of a day on Thursday. I sleep really badly during down reg cycles so had a terrible sleep (as I did all week) so was tired and grumpy, it was the three year anniversary since my Dad's death so was sad and kept bursting into tears the whole day at work. So I had nice insomnia eyes plus an ugly cry face. I am not a pretty crier - stunning! Oh well, they should be used to me bawling at work by now, there has been plenty of it in the last 18 months or so. Still a tad embarrassing though!

Happy jabbing to all my fellow jabbers, a big HI to anyone I have missed and sending out loads and loads of sticky vibes to the 2ww'ers and egg growing vibes etc etc. Have an awesome weekend, chickies

Hi ladies,
I have been queitly stalking you all.......This is a busy thread with lots of lovely helpful ladies.
I will be joining you very soon as I am just waiting for cd1. All the signs point towards it happening next week. So I will begin my ivf journey then. I am glad that there is such a supportive thread to join.

til then FX for everyone and :stickyvibesgirl::stickyvibesboy:

Oneday - great news that your transfer went well. Not so great having no frosties. I would definately follow it up with them, even to get an understanding of exactly what they are looking for. Fingers crossed for you hon that these will be sticky little mites.

N2L - So sorry to read that you haven't had a great start. I hope that your higher dose is doing the trick. Did you have your BT this morning, will you get your results today? GL for Monday's scan, I really hope that your results are better. Anything can happen in this game.

Katones - It's not over yet! Your aversion to food, especially something as bland as chips, is promising. Plenty of women on forums (and believe me, I've read a squillion of them) have had spotting. Sending you tonnes of sticky vibes

Kass - Congrats on a smooth tfr, it must be such a relief for you to have done considering you have had trouble in the past. How old are your frozen embryos,? Were they suggesting that they were the same grade as your unsuccessfully thawed embie? It's such a lottery.

Terrae - GL for your FS appt. Waiting is the hardest. It will be great to get a start.

MelissaI - happy jabbing. I hope it speeds up for you

Wiiliever - Bring on the AF witch so you can get a start!!

Loops, Saffy, Happybaby and anyone I've missed - a big fat HI!
:pink-babydust::bluedust::crossfingers::grouphug:

AFM - had BT and scan on Thurs, lining is at 10mm which is great news as I had trouble getting there with last FET.
Transfer, if all continues well, will be on Fri. Am still tossing up the 1 v's 2 issue. Aaaaah! What to do. I change my mind about 10 times a day.
Have also booked in to see someone next week regarding my anxiety at transfer. Not sure how it will help, but hope it does some good. It gets worse with every transfer and I start to get heart palpitations and feel claustrophobic.:shakehead:

Tantee - thanks! My embies aren't too old - about 5 months. The one that didn't survive was grade A before freezing, so was the one they put back, but it was downgraded after the thaw. The two remaining weren't as good to start with, the embryologist said that one shouldn't have been frozen in the first place, and the other might be ok, but based on how the better two turned out, it seems unlikely. You're right - it's a lottery.

Sorry to hear your transfers are tricky too. Hopefully you'll get some good relaxation tips. Does your clinic offer any sort of sedation for transfers? I've started taking a sleeping tablet before mine, and I've found it really helps.

williever - good luck for starting next week!

Thanks Melissa - a retroverted ute doesn't sound like much fun! It's funny how they don't always tell you these things straight up. Yesterday my dr referred to my cervix as a 'corkscrew'. Nice.

Teirae - hope your appointment goes well next week

ntl - thanks! hmmm hamsters... the things we do to ourselves!

Loops - thanks! Hope you're going ok :)

kass - he he! sorry, I meant are they 2,3 or 5 day embies. Sorry, I wasn't very clear I hope you don't think that I was insuating that they were aged (impossible at 29 anyway) I wonder why they made the call to freeze the one said shouldn't have been. I had that happen to me at my last clinic. I thought I had 6 good frosties (nothing was said otherwise) to be told by the new embryologist when we went back for round 2 that they shouldn't really have been frozen in the first place. I suppose different scientist have different views on what is viable.
Anyways, I dearly hope that this little one sticks so you won't need to worry about any other embies just now!!! :crossfingers:

Oops :) that makes a lot more sense! They were 5 days

Hi all,

Dont have much time for persies - sorry!

Just got back from my blood test and getting my first antagonist jab. Clinic just rang and said my levels are still nice and low - which is good but kind of irrelevant now I guess given I am starting the antagonist.

Had a chat with the nurse who was really good. She did say it is unlikely I will get more follies as usually what you start with is pretty much what you end up with but, as many of you have pointed out, she said quality is much more important than quantity. She said lots of women get 20 eggs but they are "rubbish". She said if you have a small number it is sometimes good because your body is "concentrating" on those eggs. She may have just being trying to make me feel better but I have decided to believe her :)

She also said my FS will almost certainly go ahead with the EPU with whatever number I have. So that's kind of good - I guess...

Oh well, nothing to do but keep injecting the chinese hamster ovaries :) (Does anyone else wonder why they have to be Chinese hamsters???? :D )

back for persies later

n2l

Just a quick one N2L ~ I had 20 embies with antagonist and only got I think 9 to fertilise and then we lost most of them and had 2 transferred which ended in BFN, so I would think she is probably correct - the fewer you have perhaps the better :) Hope so for you hun, goodluck

Thanks Kass and Tantee ! I'm doing ok. My bday tomorrow and I so wish I could celebrate by being PG as well - wouldnt that be nice :(

Sending loads of :bluedust::stickyvibesgirl: to you all!!

N2L - It sounds like you have a good nurse. I hope your follies come along nicely. The only cycle I fell pg, was the one where I got 4 eggs and only one fertilised properly and I fell with that one. It does happen. I suppose when you think about it, in a 'normal' pregnancy there is only one embie in it with a chance at a time. Good Luck, I know it is a stressful time and the anticipation is draining at times. Just try and go with the flow and hope for the best, it cycle is so different, even for the same person and the first cycle is hard as they try to work out how your body works and reacts to certain protocols.

As for the chinese hamsters... I'm not sure.. but I figure that just about 80% of everything sold here has a Made in China label, so why not our hamster juice as well? he he!

Loops - Happy Birthday for tomorrow. It is hard every birthday that goes by to feel like another year without the result you want, however I hope that you still have a wonderful day with your loved ones. This has gotta be your year. A storm of baby dust to you on your Birthday hon.

I hope everyone is enjoying their weekend. Hopefully the rain will come soon and bring some relief from the HOT weather here.

definatly out this month :( BFN

a months rest then start again

Oh Katones :(

So sorry to see your post :(

Is there a chance that it's still too early?????

n2l

fairly sure it's too late now :( i have had my little tearies with DH and he is still hoping.....

other than that i will re-test thursday morning the have a blood test thursday arvo

Oh Katones I'm sorry you've got a BFN. I hoping that it's too early to detect.

Tantee That's great your lining is nice and thick. Mine always takes a few extra days to be think enough. Hope you resolve your 1 or 2 dilemma and you're able to relax before the transfer.

N2L I hope the scan shows lots of big follies. I've never got a larger number and the number of mature eggs was very similar to the number of follies. My scan this morning showed 11, 6 on one side and 5 on the other.

Kass Good luck in the 2ww. Sorry to hear about your embies.

Loops Happy Birthday. I hope you take some time out for yourself and the people around you spoil you. I know it's frustrating when life doesn't go the way you want it to. You are still a young chick and I hope you get your BFN real soon.

MelissaI I think you're 4 days behind me with your down reg cycle. I'm on day 9 today. This cycle has been full of headaches and crankiness for me. Can't wait to stop the Synarel - oh and then start the lovely Crinone. All the best with the jabbing. FX for some big follies.

Oneday and Saffy hope your 2ww it going well. not long til testing now. I'll pop into the 2ww to catch up with you all.
Big hello to everyone else.
xx HB

Happy birthday loops! Hope you're being spoiled and have a great day!

Happybaby - good luck with your cycle - synarel is horrible stuff! Not too much longer for you I hope :)

Katones - :hug:

Good luck to everyone!

Loops - HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!! Hope you have a wonderful day and FX that this will be your year :)

Happybaby - oh yeah, hear you on the headaches and crankiness. Glad you scan went well, I have my first on Friday. I am on a shift day off work today so am sitting stressing because I don't feel an awful lot going on down there, just the odd little niggle. Which is absolutely crazy as I have only had 4 Puregon shots so far. Ah, don't you just love the crazy, irrational person that drugs turn you into!!!! Good luck for the next few weeks, I'll (literally) be right behind you!!! Lucky us in NZ don't have to use Crinone, we just have little round progesterone pessaries that seem to try and roll away at the most inconvenient time as they don't come with applicators or anything. Call me a prude, but I still think no applicator is gross.

Katones - awwww, big hugs hun. I'm so sorry that this wasn't the one for you. Take care

Kass - had to laugh at your corkscrew cervix - no wonder transfers aren't the best for you if your FS has to navigate through a corkscrew!!! Hope the 2ww is treating you ok so far.

Tantee - woot for great lining and good luck for Friday. Have you made any big decisions on how many embies to transfer? We get two fully government funded cycles here (we are on our second) so can only transfer one, would prefer two, myself. However, I am going to try it on and see where I get with our clinic as I've had two failed transfers so far. Can't hurt to try. Hope all continues to go fantastically for you so that Friday is a goer.

N2L - I am so curious, I am going to have to go and read my Puregon insert to see about the Chinese hamster ovaries - funny!!!!! How are things going with your follies?

Saffy/Oneday - hope the 2ww isn't driving you to distraction too much, FX you both get some awesome results from it.

I have two days off work atm as I am working this weekend, was really looking forward to them but now I really wish I had the distraction of work. Its that whole thing where there is just too much time to spend on the internet and work myself into a big gibbering idiot!!!! BT on Wednesday, then scan on Friday. Really looking forward to them as I hate this not knowing how things are going.

hi ladies :)

I did two POAS and got a 2nd line both times, having a BT tomorrow to confirm whats going on so fingers crossed. I really hope this is it!

I hope all you lovely ladies are doing well.xxxx

Happy birthday Loops xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Loops - HAPPY BIRTHDAY, I hope you are having a wonderful day.

Melissa - gee I hope that the next few days go quickly for you. It is hard to do anything constructive when you are continuously obsessing about it all (as I do too). Maybe treat yourself to a massage or something if possible? I switch so many times a day in regard to the 1 v's 2 issue and have read up on so many forums and on the issue. I can't imagine having treatment in the states where the routinely transfer 2,3 & 4!

Katones - Big hugs. Are you counting yourself out due to POAS or other signs? Because it may be too early for POAS especially if you implanted a little later.

Happybaby - The synarel is nasty stuff. I much prefer jabbing to down reg, what's another needle (or 20) in the mix? you have some good numbers there! best wishes for a great number at pickup.

Oneday - Woo hoo!!! sounds VERY promising. I can't wait till you get your BT.

N2L - Here's hoping that your follies are top notch and you will be pleasantly surprised at EPU. When is your next scan?

Kass & Saffy - I hope you find lots of things to keep you busy in your TWWs

To everyone else - hi!

AFM - thought I'd share an amusing story that was in the Sunday paper this week ((pretty much the same re-hashed article as in the following link) (Not sure if I can post the link here administrators, please let me know or remove it))

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/well...113-19phl.html

I can just imagine them rolling in the clowns on unicycles as the catheter is withdrawn. Sound the circus clown music. :rolleyes:

Hi all,

Just got in the door from work. DP is cooking dinner which is nearly ready so I only have a minute!!

But wanted to say HAPPY BIRTHDAY LOOPS! I hope your 31st year is full of morning sickness, stretch marks and heartburn (in other words, baby-baking!)

I had my last scan today. My lining is good and I have another mature follie on my right ovary (so 3 in total). "Nothing much" on my left apparently. I feel strangely okay with it and am concentrating on the quality over quantity principle.

Anyhoo, pickup is Wednesday morning. Yippeee!!!! And my FS has promised to get as much as she can out of me! We have also decided to implant two if possible.

My ovaries are aching right now - had to give myself an extra dose of gonal f in my work toilets today. I am tired and I am starving....So, sorry for the me post!!!!

back later x

n2l