LT TTC & taking Clomid/Metformin #2

[Clamgee]

Hi everyone
I've been visiting this site each day this week, but found it hard to post a reply. It is good to hear about positive results but I seem to take it hard hearing m/c news. I suppose it stirs memories and makes it real again.
I am interested to hear about the link with metformin and lower risk of miscarriage. I often wonder if it would be easier if I was paying for the treatment or the medication. I don't get much of a say what kind of treatment I will get and I have to wait 4 -6 months each time I want to see a fs specialist. That means my dose of Clomid hasn't increased since starting this process in Oct. Is it different in Australia? Do you have more of a say and can be more experimental with your medication as you are paying for it?

Sorry to be so nosey but was just wondering.
I'm currently on day 12 (i think cos period was very slow to start this month) and just about to head away for a long weekend in northern Scotland. Looking forward to chilling out - let's hope a change of scenery helps bring on ovulation!
Best wishes to all hopeful girls out there
Claudette x

[tammara]

Bec - i cant speak highly enough of Dr Mac Talbot from Monash IVF.

Monash IVF Richmond
Level 4 Epworth Hospital
89 Bridge Road
Richmond 9429 9188

From the first appointment he made me feel so good and confident, being a big girl i usually get the "loose weight" lecture but he never harped on it. He has a great assistant Amanda she is down to earth and just normal lol

Saffy - we were offended first but now we know everything is fine mum and i laughed about it. Problem is he is the one that does the 3 and 4D scans :/ so have to decided if i suck it up and go back or not.

For everyone please tell me if you dont want me to post updates in here while your TTC, private message me if you like. I dont want to be unsensitive to you all. I just feel so much more comfortable with you ladies

[linda5]

Bec - i cant speak highly enough of Dr Mac Talbot from Monash IVF.

Monash IVF Richmond
Level 4 Epworth Hospital
89 Bridge Road
Richmond 9429 9188

From the first appointment he made me feel so good and confident, being a big girl i usually get the "loose weight" lecture but he never harped on it. He has a great assistant Amanda she is down to earth and just normal lol

Saffy - we were offended first but now we know everything is fine mum and i laughed about it. Problem is he is the one that does the 3 and 4D scans :/ so have to decided if i suck it up and go back or not.

For everyone please tell me if you dont want me to post updates in here while your TTC, private message me if you like. I dont want to be unsensitive to you all. I just feel so much more comfortable with you ladies

Hello you can post updates,Soon i will hopefully be preg.Im on cycle day 12, still testin with the ovualtion kit.Hoping and praying it works this month.Keep me posted about your up comming appts. linda havw a nice weekend everyone!!!

[Porsche]

Hi Ladies

Bec where abouts are you. I'm in QLD so my FS might not be close enought to you lol.

Anyway spotting is here GRRR SO sick of it. I think FF is going to say I O'd 2 days a go lol. Not likely.

Well Dh has decided to do 1 last clomid cycle and then straight into IVF. Seeing as he will be away for work from the 26th July to the 10 Spetember we figured it would be better doing IVF rather than IUI as hopefully we get some frosties so I can keep going with the IVF side whilst he is away.

So hurry up AF!

Glad to hear all scans are going great.

[RhiChiChi]

Bec - You didn't upset me with all the info. TTC whilst having issues is confronting in itself anyway.
Interesting about your body masking the insulin...... I have a script for more met so might look into taking it.....KUP about your appt.

Claudette - Glad to hear you are still around. Sometimes it is easier to step back a bit for a while then re-join. The sad news is difficult to take at times, but I remind myself that we need support at times like that, even if it is just cyber hugs.
I don't know how much of a say you get really in Australia compared to the UK but you can certainly push/demand for alternatives / referrals. I know if nothing comes of the lap I will request a referral straight to a FS. Am not going to sit & wait see - it's already been nearly 19 mths of ttc # 2 with 2 m/c during that time.... I can't continue to hope for the best.... Have a great long weekend away

Tammara - I don't mind hearing about your pg, but am only speaking for myself. Are you in a DDC? I can stalk you there

Linda - best of luck - FX

Porsche - Sounds like a great plan going straight to IVF - I hope it is more successful. I don't really know the stats with IVF success rates etc....

Hello to everyone else. Am off for some retail therapy - have a great weekend. x

[becnxavi]

hi guys,
Claudette- sorry if I've been upsetting you, I know this isn't a thread about loss, but you start to think of everyone as friends and talk about other stuff. I know I take it hard when I hear about others misfortune too. As for your other thought; I wouldn't say we have that much say, but we can move to another specialist if we aren't happy, and I know I can get into see mine if I have too. Are you ovulating on your current dose of clomid (I can't remember), they should be at least checking that. If I didn't o on a dose, FS moved me up to the next dose.

Julia- I also engaged in some much needed retail therapy today too! Although mother's day pressies for others, but I ahd fun.

Porsche- your plan sounds good. Does DP get to come home during that time away at all? I'm based in Melbourne so QLD might be a little far to travel to see the specialist. (It'd be a great chance to have regular holiday though!) I hope the last dose of clomid does it though, and you don't need IVF, but whatever is the best option hey? GL.

Tammara- I've heard of Mac Talbot. I might give him a go, it's actually not that far from my current clinic (Melbourne IVF in Fitzroy) so that's good. Did you have to wait long for an appointment there? (BTW I love hearing about your pregnancy updates. We all hope to be where you are. I speak for myself only of course)

Linda- Hopefully this is your month. GL!

Hi everyone else!

AFM: well I took DH with me to my appointment with the FS today so I had the courage to say what I wanted to say. When I told FS I've just had my third m/c he said it was probably just bad luck! I'm not wearing that. I asked about PCOS and he said the chances were a little bit higher of m/c with PCOS, but metformin probably wont help. I said I'd like to try it and he gave me a script at least. He has also asked me to move onto Gonal f which is injectable meds. I'm happy to give it a go, but I don't know how it'll make a difference since clomid always made me o and that's what this new stuff does too. Has anyone else been on Gonal f? (Tammara I heard it was an IVF drug?)
He also gave me a blood thinner thing to take after I o, becasue he thinks that is the problem. He said I was going to rattle with all the meds, but I don't care!
So I at least feel as though I've got some new things to try, but I'm still going to change FS I think. I just don't think mine is on the ball with PCOS.
Gosh that's a lot of writing; sorry!
Now I have to wait untill my levels are back to normal to start the gonal.
Hugs to all,
Chat soon,
Bec

[tammara]

Hey bec

Im not sure about the Gonal f, the injections that i can think of are pregnyl and another starting with pro something i think but it may be an IVF drug???? I would say give the metformin a go but make sure you ease yourself into it when i started i was taking one a day for a week or two then i went on to two a day and be sure to eat them with food or you will be rushing to the toilet.

Im sitting at home listening to janice joplin songs - iive been watching american idol and there is a girl - crystal she sings amazing! very relaxing music

[RhiChiChi]

Hey Bec,

My gf was on Gonal f injections with her first round of IVF - I believe it is the first drug injected to produce O? I can double check with her. GL with everything hun, I'm glad you have changed tactics a bit & I hope you can find a FS that clicks with you.
I couldn't swallow the bad luck bulls*it either - that is just insensitive & dismissive. *Hugs*
I can also check with my GF which FS she used, but she goes to Monash Clayton...

[Porsche]

hi guys,

Porsche- your plan sounds good. Does DP get to come home during that time away at all? I'm based in Melbourne so QLD might be a little far to travel to see the specialist. (It'd be a great chance to have regular holiday though!) I hope the last dose of clomid does it though, and you don't need IVF, but whatever is the best option hey? GL.


Hi everyone else!

AFM: well I took DH with me to my appointment with the FS today so I had the courage to say what I wanted to say. When I told FS I've just had my third m/c he said it was probably just bad luck! I'm not wearing that. I asked about PCOS and he said the chances were a little bit higher of m/c with PCOS, but metformin probably wont help. I said I'd like to try it and he gave me a script at least. He has also asked me to move onto Gonal f which is injectable meds. I'm happy to give it a go, but I don't know how it'll make a difference since clomid always made me o and that's what this new stuff does too. Has anyone else been on Gonal f? (Tammara I heard it was an IVF drug?)
He also gave me a blood thinner thing to take after I o, becasue he thinks that is the problem. He said I was going to rattle with all the meds, but I don't care!
So I at least feel as though I've got some new things to try, but I'm still going to change FS I think. I just don't think mine is on the ball with PCOS.
Gosh that's a lot of writing; sorry!
Now I have to wait untill my levels are back to normal to start the gonal.
Hugs to all,
Chat soon,
Bec

Hi Ladies

No DH doesn't get to come home which is why we decided on straight to IVF. That way if we need to go down that path hopefully we can get some frosties so I can continue on whist he is away.

If I really needed him too come home he would but as you say FX the stupid clomid can help out again. I just have this feeling we are waisting our time with it. But it's what DH wants to do and I really can't blame him I mean IVF is expensive and if we can get away with the much cheaper alternative then I can't complain. But in saying that if we do do IVF then I will most certainly push for 2 embryos implanted back. I'm not mucking around any longer. Time is short and I'm heading toward 32 which apparently when your fertility starts to deteriorate.

If your not happy with your FS then change. You have every right to do what YOU feel is best. YOU need to be comfortable with the treatments you want. I'm glad you have some more options now. Maybe they will work? They say a change is as good as a holiday ( you know what I mean).

It doesn't make it less frustrating though.

PS I think I start metformin when we start IVF.

[tammara]

Porsche dont get yourself set on the idea of having two embrios put back. I asked for them to put two in me and they said no for the first time because the embrios looked good and also they said it really doesnt increase your chances that much - i thought 2 embrios = double the chance of working. My Dr said they really only put more than one back if your older than 35 and the embrios dont look the best they can be.

Fingers crossed you get fantastic lil embrios and LOTS of them If you have any questions feel free to ask,i cant really answer much about the egg retrieval but everything else i can help if you have questions.

good luck

[linda5]

hi guys,
Claudette- sorry if I've been upsetting you, I know this isn't a thread about loss, but you start to think of everyone as friends and talk about other stuff. I know I take it hard when I hear about others misfortune too. As for your other thought; I wouldn't say we have that much say, but we can move to another specialist if we aren't happy, and I know I can get into see mine if I have too. Are you ovulating on your current dose of clomid (I can't remember), they should be at least checking that. If I didn't o on a dose, FS moved me up to the next dose.

Julia- I also engaged in some much needed retail therapy today too! Although mother's day pressies for others, but I ahd fun.

Porsche- your plan sounds good. Does DP get to come home during that time away at all? I'm based in Melbourne so QLD might be a little far to travel to see the specialist. (It'd be a great chance to have regular holiday though!) I hope the last dose of clomid does it though, and you don't need IVF, but whatever is the best option hey? GL.

Tammara- I've heard of Mac Talbot. I might give him a go, it's actually not that far from my current clinic (Melbourne IVF in Fitzroy) so that's good. Did you have to wait long for an appointment there? (BTW I love hearing about your pregnancy updates. We all hope to be where you are. I speak for myself only of course)

Linda- Hopefully this is your month. GL!

Hi everyone else!

AFM: well I took DH with me to my appointment with the FS today so I had the courage to say what I wanted to say. When I told FS I've just had my third m/c he said it was probably just bad luck! I'm not wearing that. I asked about PCOS and he said the chances were a little bit higher of m/c with PCOS, but metformin probably wont help. I said I'd like to try it and he gave me a script at least. He has also asked me to move onto Gonal f which is injectable meds. I'm happy to give it a go, but I don't know how it'll make a difference since clomid always made me o and that's what this new stuff does too. Has anyone else been on Gonal f? (Tammara I heard it was an IVF drug?)
He also gave me a blood thinner thing to take after I o, becasue he thinks that is the problem. He said I was going to rattle with all the meds, but I don't care!
So I at least feel as though I've got some new things to try, but I'm still going to change FS I think. I just don't think mine is on the ball with PCOS.
Gosh that's a lot of writing; sorry!
Now I have to wait untill my levels are back to normal to start the gonal.
Hugs to all,
Chat soon,
Bec

Hello i need some advice today? I reached my surge today on the ovulation kit which is day 14. My husband thinks we should start today to have intercourse,but the doctor said to have intercourse tomarrow which is the next day after i reach the postive.Have intercousre every other day after that.What do you think i should do.? has anyone had the same adivice from there doctor to have intercouse the next after i got my postive today on my ovulation kit!!!! Help!!! linda

[Saffy]

Hi girls,
sorry that some of us are feeling down, hope the week brings some good news and cheers us up!

Linda- I would have intercourse both days if I were you, good luck!

Porsche- hopefully the clomid will work and you don't need IVF, but it sounds like a good plan for IVF, esp if DH can't be around. I really thought clomid would work for me but now I don't think it is going to and time is running out for me too, so am getting my head around doing IVF. Hope the metformin helps too!

Claudette- most FS doctors in Australia would see you more often and alter the dose but we pay privately here, do you get it on NHS? Maybe thats the difference and why you only go every 4 months. Sorry you are feeling bad, hopefully your long weekend was fun!

Hi to Tammara, RHiChiChi, Hopes, Nelly, and Bec- big hugs to everyone.

Tammara- I love crystal on american idol too, she is way better than the others, I hope she wins.

AFM- depressed today, had my first acupuncture this morning which I was really looking forward to and it was good, I like the woman who does it as well, but still feeling down about my prospects. I have no faith whatsoever that I will get pregnant this month, as we barely DTD, I feel like i've just given up and am resigned to IVF. Oh well, trying to ignore the TWW and just distact myself.

god I'm so negative, better throw around somefor everyone!!

[linda5]

Hi girls,
sorry that some of us are feeling down, hope the week brings some good news and cheers us up!

Linda- I would have intercourse both days if I were you, good luck!

Porsche- hopefully the clomid will work and you don't need IVF, but it sounds like a good plan for IVF, esp if DH can't be around. I really thought clomid would work for me but now I don't think it is going to and time is running out for me too, so am getting my head around doing IVF. Hope the metformin helps too!

Claudette- most FS doctors in Australia would see you more often and alter the dose but we pay privately here, do you get it on NHS? Maybe thats the difference and why you only go every 4 months. Sorry you are feeling bad, hopefully your long weekend was fun!

Hi to Tammara, RHiChiChi, Hopes, Nelly, and Bec- big hugs to everyone.

Tammara- I love crystal on american idol too, she is way better than the others, I hope she wins.

AFM- depressed today, had my first acupuncture this morning which I was really looking forward to and it was good, I like the woman who does it as well, but still feeling down about my prospects. I have no faith whatsoever that I will get pregnant this month, as we barely DTD, I feel like i've just given up and am resigned to IVF. Oh well, trying to ignore the TWW and just distact myself.

god I'm so negative, better throw around somefor everyone!!

Thank you for the advice. I tryed it last month and we had intercourse for 3 days in a row after i reach my surge and it didnt work. Hopefully it works this month. bye,Linda

[RhiChiChi]

Linda - I would definately DTD on the day of your surge, that way the sperm will be hanging around to meet the egg. GL

Saffy - I feel the same as you atm. DH & I haven't even DTD this month & I even got EWCM & O Pains and just didn't bother! I think we are both at the stage where we need a break. 6 months full on DTD on Clomide & no success and then nothing prior to that..... I am hoping to just enjoy this month as it is DH b'day on the 19th then I go in for my lap on the 25th.... hopefully the lap is successful and then my chances to conceive are higher.

Just a q - have any of you used Royal Jelly to assist with egg quality? I was doing some research on the internet & people are really positive about using fresh royal jelly....

[Porsche]

Hi Ladies

Saffy & Richichi

I think we are perfectly normal in having a down period. I feel the same ATM. I know we will get better even though right now it seems impossible. I wish I could un-know all the TTC stuff I have learned and just be totally ignorant lol.

Saffy have you had a consultation for IVF yet?

Richichi I have only just discovered on line the benefits of the royal jelly. I've heard that green tea can help in the CM department as well. I've not used any of those. I've heard something about robitussin as well but I can't remember what it is supposed to help with.

Tammara thanks for the tips on the 2 emby thing. I will keep that in mind when and if we need it. I'll still be pushing though.

Linda I would DTD when you get the + OPK and then every second day after. Well that worked for us last time any way.

Claudette sorry I'm making you feel bad. I promise I'm on the up and up now :.

[Saffy]

Hi girls,
sorry that some of us are feeling down, hope the week brings some good news and cheers us up!

Linda- I would have intercourse both days if I were you, good luck!

Porsche- hopefully the clomid will work and you don't need IVF, but it sounds like a good plan for IVF, esp if DH can't be around. I really thought clomid would work for me but now I don't think it is going to and time is running out for me too, so am getting my head around doing IVF. Hope the metformin helps too!

Claudette- most FS doctors in Australia would see you more often and alter the dose but we pay privately here, do you get it on NHS? Maybe thats the difference and why you only go every 4 months. Sorry you are feeling bad, hopefully your long weekend was fun!

Hi to Tammara, RHiChiChi, Hopes, Nelly, and Bec- big hugs to everyone.

Tammara- I love crystal on american idol too, she is way better than the others, I hope she wins.

AFM- depressed today, had my first acupuncture this morning which I was really looking forward to and it was good, I like the woman who does it as well, but still feeling down about my prospects. I have no faith whatsoever that I will get pregnant this month, as we barely DTD, I feel like i've just given up and am resigned to IVF. Oh well, trying to ignore the TWW and just distact myself.

god I'm so negative, better throw around somefor everyone!!

[Saffy]

sorry posted above twice, my computer is going crazy and I can't delete it now!

Porsche- trying ot get all the paperwork to send in first, can't do anything til then, but have talked to a FS about it

RhiChiChi- not glad your in the sam boat but glad you understand
x

[tammara]

No worries porsche but remember 2 embrios can = 4 babies lol

If it is worth anything to the ladies considering IVF, once we decided we would do it i felt a huge weight off my shoulders and the stress im sure your feeling was almost gone. It was like it was out of my hands and all i had to do was wait and not stress about dtd on the right day