Welcome to ShanShan & Pumpgirl, you both sound like you have had a rough trot TTC, I only hope that your stay here is short and sweet.
Pumpgirl, just reading through what you have written. Don’t want to stress you out at all but have you read any more into DH’s Sperm Morphology being 0%? As far as I know Morphology is the shape of the sperm, either the head or the tail, in some “rare” circumstances the morphology can be so bad that the men cannot conceive naturally. Like I said, not trying to freak you out, just trying to give you some useful information, as there is no point putting your body through undue stress on Clomid if it cannot achieve the desired outcome, hope you don’t take this the wrong way, let me know how you go hun, I have everything crossed that all will be perfect and you will conceive this month, fx! Also on your question about cycles of Clomid. I was on clomid for 9 cycles, 6 last year and then 3 this year (post laparoscopy) before conceiving for the first time. I honestly believe the lap had a lot to do with conceiving though and Clomid just helped along the way, PS: I wasn’t ovulating on my own either. As for having friends or family with fertility problems, other than my sister who is in the same boat that I was, I don’t know anyone else with issue, I think you can count yourself lucky that you have people around you that understand, hope they’re supportive for you.
ShanShan, lol on your DH hoping you don’t get the mood swings, that would be nice wouldn’t it. PS: Your parents sound amazing!
MissKris, glad to hear your app went well today, your FS and DH both sound like sweethearts, cute about the birthday pressy, I hope so too hun.
Bec, woo hoo have fun on your romantic getaway, hope it is LOTS of fun hun., you deserve it. Hope you’ve got someone to take care of DS for you. And MASSIVE yey for feeling positive, it has been I whilst since I’ve heard you say that, I have everything crossed for you hun, about time you get a sticky bub.
Porsche, hey there, any chance your UTD? Nausea? If not hope it goes away for you.
Rhi, just hi and hope you’re well hun.
AFM not much to report, just wanted to pop in and say hi to all you lovely ladies. As much as I love my new thread, I feel like you ladies just understand me better. Hope you are all well and I’m waiting for a big EXPLOSION of BFP’s this month (July I mean). GL to all.
Thanks for the info Keli. Wow - 9 cycles & huge congrats!! My sister has had 2 Laps - she has endo, but my issue is with PCOS, wonder if you need one of those if you have PCOS. Sorry if I sound ignorant, I actually haven't done loads of research on this stuff... RE: Morph results, I think with Sydney IVF they have a really strict testing regime and 4 - 8% is considered normal so as far as I know 0% isn't quite as bad as it sounds. In saying that, we are really tightening up our lifestyle - eating organic fruit veg & meat, less alcohol, more vitamins etc etc etc. The FS was really not disturbed by the test at all and in fact said if he got that test he wouldn't be worried and that it is only me with the problem. Although, doesn't stop me wondering :-( and I would definitely be interested in hearing from someone who got this result from Sydney IVF and went on to conceive. As for support, I haven't actually told many people. I find that the more people know the more they ride the emotional wave with me and I can't stand people asking about it and wondering etc etc you know?? So, I have chosen to keep it a bit on the lowdown, plus (this might sound stupid) I almost feel that those of my loved ones going through IVF are doing it much tougher than me... But those that do know are certainly really supportive :-)
Phew - long reply!!
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ShanShan, thanks for the lift about the whole money issue, I know money isn't everything, I just don't want to end up like my folks did when I was a kid (having to sell the house). I had a great childhood and have loving and supportive parents that would have done anything for us. Mum was my netball coach for a few years over the 10 years I played outdoor for. And we went out fishing in dad's boat at least once every month. You sound like they did anything for you as well. I hope we are going to be great parents.
Welcome Pumpgirl, this is a fantastic thread to be on as everyone is so supportive. I have experienced the funny dreams, but when I take the provera tablets, not the clomid. Lol bout the moods swings, I had a brakdown over the dishes. DH got on my nerves bout other stuff, I snapped at him, then went to do the dishes (as he wouldn't) and bald my eyes out. Now that I think about it my cycle now and last cycles I have been a little dry just after finishing clomid, but only lasts a couple of days. GL for this cycle.
Miss Kris yay on the FS listening to you. Mine has a great sense of humour and it so puts DH and I at ease when we go for our visits. I've got my FX'd that you don't get the side effects or if you do then they aren't too bad. It is great that DH is getting into the whole process, my DH goes to our FS visits, but it took a while for everything to actually sink in (with DH) and him start to talk about what is happening. FX'd that it only takes one cycle.
Bec how nice is he. There is a part of them that can be romoantic sometimes LOL. Hopefully you do o over your break away. It is great to have time to just relax and take time to reassess where are at and no be wound up over TTC.
Porsche, sounds like you're just getting started on all the meds that you have to have, GL with it all and waiting for a BFP soon.
AFM I finished taking clomid yesturday. I'm going to start doing o prediction tests on Thurs arvo CD8. Other than that, nothing else to report here except waiting and DTD (sorry for TMI). Can't wait for some BFP's on here. to all
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Phew, glad you took my last post the way it was meant. Yes our journey has been quite a long one, just over 3 years in total of TTC # 1. I too (and my sister) have PCOS, I also have some endo. By the success rate on this forum amongst women with PCOS I would highly getting a lap, it seems to have worked a treat for almost everyone that has had one, pg within 3months, unfortunately not always with a sticky one though .
Totally know what you mean about trying to keep it on the down low, not letting it consume your life and not telling too many people. After probably 18 months of TTC we eventually told everyone cos I couldn’t handle the “when are you two going to have a baby” question, it shattered me every time someone asked, but then I had to put up with the “how’s it all going” every time I saw them, not quite sure what was worse. I totally respect your decision in trying to keep it to yourselves, glad to hear those that do know are very supportive though.
PS: I also highly recommend preseed, it’s awesome!
None of my sisters have problems that i know of, but of course, none of them are trying to have a baby! lol So i won't know until they do start. Though the lucky ducks will prbably be like my mother and fall just by hanging dads pants on the line ... *****es ... LMAO!
I just thought i would share with you girls, i have a tendancy to get negative in the way i think and its put a real downer on the whole TTC thing! So today i have done up some "positive affirmation posters" lol and i am going to tack them to my wall so its the first thing i see in the morning! i will colour them tonight nice and bright and cheery! I have written down negative thoughts and then turned them into positive ... for instance ... My body is a failure and will never work properly = My body will ovulate and i will get pregnant
My god im going to be a horrible mother = I will be a fantastic mother
annn of course i did up one saying i love stephen (DH) lol so he doesn't feel left out! lol!
Sounds weird i know, but i will let you know if it helps me get through the day! lol
Epayne - Wow, when I read your thing on the dishes I could totally relate. It is funny how irrational you can get. DH and I have put an action plan in place for psycho me :-) Hasn't started yet but no doubt it will happen this month - at least we know what we are in for!
Keli - of course, these things are for experiences, advice and theories so I am interested what everyone has to share, and I understand that nothing would be said in this forum to upset anyone - all good :-) And yes, I know what you mean about the asking... DH and I have been together for 10 years, we get asked a lot but I always say not ready now blah blah blah - but it gets on my goat! Oh well, I am sure they mean know harm - it's funny how it is always the randoms that always ask i.e. work colleagues etc etc. Hopefully soon I will be able to say I am up the duff ;-)
Miss Kris - great idea to put up motivational posters. I think that it is important to protect and prepare yourself as much as possible and if that will help you then it can only be a good thing. I find that exercise is my outlet, if I start to feel frustrated or down (for whatever reason) I go for a walk or run... I didn't do this on the last two weeks of my cycle (I still taught my classes but it doesn't count as it isn't me time), anyway I guess my point is, it's good to find something that helps you to clear your head and bring in positive thoughts - good luck, I hope you do O - I had never O'd properly until last month which was my first cycle on clomid so FX for you!
Glad you popped in Keli & glad everything is going well for you
I have a few friends with fertility problems, so I don't feel completely isolated & I can ask them heaps of Q
Definately get pre-seed. Clomid was awful drying up what little CM I had :S I only use btw 0.5 - 1 ml (?) anything more and it seems like too much
We never told many people our issues with TTC but we are being more open about it & so many people are supportive and it feels less of a burden at times
Hi all
I've been MIA for ages, but have been trying to keep up to date with everyone's progress. Looks like there are loads of new folk to join!
AFM no news here. Just started back on the Clomid (5th round) and on day 2! I never really feel any major side effects when I'm taking the tablets - it's the rest of the month that's rotten. Mad, mad crazy dreams, hot flushes, and crying at the opening of a bag of sweets! Sometimes it's good to let it out though!!!! And if I'm suffering , my partner might as well suffer too!!!!
We're heading to Lanzarote tomorrow for 2 weeks of lazing about in the sun. I'm really looking forward to a long break with some much needed alcohol..... i know I shouldn't but fed up being good. Best wishes to all you girls and I look forward to hearing some good news when I come back x
I am still so confused by the whole PCOS thing. So when I was diagnosed about 2 ½ years ago, my sister (who is 3 years older then me & a paramedic) started researching and found out that she had a 50% chance of also having it. Naturally she went and had an internal ultrasound and was also diagnosed. Whilst she was not at the time TTC (she only got married this April and is now TTC) she was still able to go through everything I have, Naturopath, Gyno, FS, Clomid & Lap, so that now that she is starting to try she doesn’t have to start from the beginning. PS: She has been off the pill for 2 years and has done all things mentioned and still the only way she can get a period is to go back on the pill for a few weeks and then stop it again. Provera didn’t even work. Poor love.
So I am rather confused, I have never found anyone yet who had a sister with the same condition (PCOS) yet all I seem to read it that it’s genetic. Whilst we cannot trace it backwards in our family we both have it. Anyone’s else’s opinions would be greatly appreciated.
MissKris, you’re funny, hope the positive affirmations help you out, awesome idea I love it.
Pumpgirl, glad to hear. Yes hopefully you will be UTD in no time.
Rhi, lol couldn’t agree more about using too much preseed, I found if we used too much (like what they say on the pack) we would both loose a lot of the sensation, sorry for TMI.
Clamagee, yey, nice to see you back again, I was secretly hoping that you were UTD but good luck for this month hun. Go for it, enjoy your holiday you deserve it. I say drink what you want, it helps to relax. The weekend before I found out I was UTD I was out touring wineries with some friends and DH in the Yarra Valley. Cos there’s no blood cross within the first 2 weeks after conception it actually doesn’t matter what you put in your mouth, so long as you stop once you’re past the 2 week mark. Hope you have a wonderful time in the sun, I’m super jealous.
omg i took my first pill last night and today i have the start of a hot flush, but it always drizzles down and never eventuates into a full blown take my clothes off thing lol but my back is extremely warm though! Which is unusual for me cos im such a cold person lol!!
I also have a stabbing pain in my left ovary ... but i thought you weren't meant to get SE this quickly? lol!
Anyone else had them this soon?
Glad you're back Clamgee! Enjoy your hols and have a drink. I was naughty last weekend too, and had some (or a bit too much) tequila! I don't normally drink, but I had a great time with my friends!(which i always do, it was just fun to not be the one who wasn't drinking like I normally am)
As for the support thing; most of our close friends and family know we have been TTC and about the m/c. I don't feel I should have to hide it, it's part of my life. I try to be as upfront as I can if people ask about it and I don't feel like discussing it. My usual answer is 'nothing new to report!" and they back off. But it's an individual decision we all have to make and be comfortable.
I gotta go, but I'll come back for persies later,
Bec
As my Dr isn't sure whether I have PCOS or Endo (some indicators but not strong ones) I haven't really looked for a family link. My mother had irregular cycles and a history of pelvic inflammatory disease so was told to start trying immediately but she got pregnant on her first try. My cousin and Aunt both fell easily as did my maternal grandmother. Since starting TTC I have found out that my Paternal grandmother took 2 years to fall pregnant, but once she did she had 4 in 4years (and another 2 later, the last one 16 years after the first, she eventually gave up trying for her girl), so I am hoping that maybe I will be like her.
As for support, it is a hard one. Most of our friends know we are TTC (as we have been trying to do since getting married and they are now used to me always being the designated driver), but only a few really know what we are going through in regards to meds, etc. Our parents both know as I am very close to my in-laws as well (I have known them since I was 8) and we like to keep them informed. My mum is one of my biggest supports and is always good to use as a sounding board about any meds, tests etc as she is a midwife/ Director of Nursing. Friends are hard as it is only the close ones that really know what is happening and the others can be a bit insensitive. Telling me stories about their friend who was told they had no eggs and then had a one night stand and got pregnant with twins isn't always inspirational, it p***ed me off more than anything as she wasn't even trying (sorry I know I should be happy but it getting harder they bring this up all the time).
Clamgee - enjoy your holidays and enjoy a few drinks, plenty of babies have been successfully conceived using this method, lol. I think I will try it myself in a few weeks.
Kris - you are scaring me for when I have to start the clomid next cycle, although I guess if you are getting the SE it is working? I am glad that your new FS is a good one, GL with this cycle.
Keli - Hope you are enjoying your pg, it is good to hear from people who have been through this and have finally gotten their BFP. GL with the rest of your pregnancy
Epayne - glad you took the money thing the right way, and I know you will be a wonderful mother.
Bec - Hope you enjoy your romantic getaway and that O decides to cooperate and happen while you are away.
RhiChiChi - Hope you are making the most of your last few days of freedom, lol. Thursday is the start of the countdown to the weekend for me and 2 days off is never enough to catch up on everything.
Hope - Hi and I hope everything is going well with you ATM.
AFM - Still no AF. Sent BBT charts to Dr yesterday as I am now on cd44 of what has been 34 day cycles since starting the metformin. He seems to think that AF will arrive within the next week but couldn't offer any advice on why my cycle has lengthened all of a sudden (but definitely doesn't think I am UTD as I don't ovulate). Bit frustrating but will keep charting and see what happens.
& & & & & to everyone
Want to see all of us with BFP's before christmas, what a wonderful present that would be.
Hi ShanShan!
Don't get scared off lol! I seem to have found that by the afternoon my SE have drizzled out and now i am fine. Plus its nothing too bad. Hopefully i miss the mood swing one lol im hormonal enough as it is!!
ShanShan - Very interesting re: your family history. I have a history of fertility issues on both sides of my family. My mum had no problems at all. My maternal Aunt was never able to conceive and adopted 2 children, my other maternal Aunt took 2 years to conceive and with neither bub went full term (8 weeks prem. but both went on to be completely healthy). My paternal Aunt never had children as was unable to conceive (not sure where the issue lied with them - they never had children). Then my sister has Endo and conceived bub #1 with IVF and is now battling with the second round of IVF, but she is only allowing herself to the end of the year as she turns 40 later this year. As far as I am aware she doesn't have PCOS and I don't have Endo. My younger brother and his wife I think are trying as they have told most of the family they would try this year, but to my knowledge still not preg. He is 29 and she is 27 - although she is quite overweight so not sure if that could be the factor or if he has problems or in fact if they even have a problem at all and aren't even trying... So, I definitely think that these things run in families. Although my mum luckily conceived 4 kids with the last one coming along when she was 34. I would be interested to see if fertility is aligned to lifestyle factors as well, so many preservatives, hormones, processed food etc etc not to mention we are starting to try when we get older. I was 30 when I started - although did try for a brief period when I was 26.... It's nice you have support. It is important that everyone approaches this with whatever way they feel most confident. I am probably a little to secrative, I only told one of my closest girlfriends last month and she was surprised I kept it to myself for so long, but find it easy to keep it to myself - maybe not the healthiest way. My mum does know and she has been great, she is always e-mailing "mummy hugs" as I am in a different state to her ;-)
Kris - Are you taking your clomid at night? I take mine at night and find most of my SE happens when I get hot flushes at night but not during the day & am having crazy weird dreams. DH came in last night (as I went to bed early) to find that I had no covers on and it was freezing cold!! Otherwise I haven't had too much other problems this month. Although from memory the crazy b#tch came out after I stopped taking it...! So fingers crossed she stays where she is and doesn't rear her ugly head. But all SE was gone by the second half of the cycle.
Bec - glad you got to have a few drinks and let your hair down. I have kept on have a few drinks throughout the month but only enough that I could "still drive" no binge drinking but I really enjoy a glass of wine (2 nights a week). I just need to continue on as normal otherwise I will end up going insane!!
Keli - Thx for your info, do you get AF naturally or with provera? I have another close g/f who has PCOS and she doesn't get her AF either. I guess I am lucky, I do get it but really irradicaly 30, 31, 36, 40 etc etc. Never consistently. I often wonder if my symptoms have always been really masked by my lifestyle. I have been on a Low GI diet since 2005 and nothing to do with PCOS more because I read about it when I was in the UK and it really made sense. Plus I exercise A LOT. Besides teaching classes I train 1-2 times a day 6 days a week. But I have backed off endurance running as I know this can be bad for cycles so only run 5-6kms at a time these days. What are the sorts of things you to do keep your PCOS at bay? I also think it's great your sis didn't have to start from the beginning. It is frustrating feeling like the first 12 months was a waste of time!!
Clamagee - GL for your fifth round, I really hope this is your last and that the SE aren't too bad this month, the mood thing I think is definitely the worst, I can deal with the flushes & dreams but it's the mood that gets you down. Enjoy your break away with a few drinks and down time with your DH - and yes I agree many bubs come out of holidays so FX!
Rhi - DH wants to go another month without the preseed (at his own peril I guess)... I reckon if we aren't UTD next month then we will get it then.
AFM - CD 6 (last day of clomid), this cycle already feels like it is going fast which is great... I am pretty busy though. So, the fun begins (action starts tomorrow). I don't know when I o so we go at it every second day until about CD 23 (we are def going to leave a day in between due to DH morph results). Poor DH though, it is a lot of work when I am so dry (sorry for the overshare ;-). Let's hope that I stay sane this weekend and DH doesn't do anything to make me snap - he is trying his best to keep me calm, even made me go back to bed after I taught my class this morning (which I am grateful for).
Good luck to everyone & hope you all have a really relaxing weekend!
Last edited by redgum; July 2nd, 2010 at 03:23 PM.
Goodluck for the weekend Pumpgirl! sounds like you do have a bit of a family history there. I am the opposite; my sister got pregnant accidentally when she was 21 (she was on the pill and everything!) and then again in 2008. Neither time was she trying! I must admit I am a bit jealous, although she is a wonderful mother to them of course. My youngest sister doesn't get regular periods though, she she may have a battle. She currently claims to not want kids though, so maybe it wont matter!
How are you going Shan? AF here yet? I hope it is for your sake.
Kris- I often get pains in my ovary area (well I assume it's where they are!) when I take clomid, so don't panic! Nearly there now and then it's just a waiting game til o!
AFM: My sister dropped a bombshell when we were catching up yesterday and said that if I needed her eggs, she was fine with that! I was a little gobsmacked, and totally touched that she thought to offer. If we get to IVF and my eggs are crappy, it's nice to have another option. She even said she would surrogate for me if I was desperate! Hopefully it doesn't come to that!
Anyway, I'm CD 15 or 16 ish, and no sign of o yet.
BTW has anyone ever heard of adenomyosis? I just got my ultrasound report from my last m/c and it suggested underlying adenomyosis, and I'd never heard of it. ANy ideas?
Talk soon, I'm off to my weekend away in the morning, so I'll catch up when I get back.
Have a great weekend,
Bec
Wow ShanShan & Pumpgirl, sound like fertility issues really run in your family. It’s interesting that both your mothers have conceived without too many dramas though, hmmmm who know’s hey? But yes very clearly a genetic thing.
Pumpgirl, so I usually get AF about twice a year with no assistance so I had to take provera to get it started then continue taking clomid to get it consistently, 35 day cycles are regular for me though, which sux cos they’re soooo long. Yes its wonderful for my sister not having to start from the beginning, especially since I know what she could be in for. Thankfully I don’t have too many symptoms from PCOS, only irregular AF and cysts on my ovaries, my sister uses to suffer from VERY bad acne and we now believe that is why, thankfully she has grown out of that, she is now 29. We’ve also got age on our side, I started TTC at 21yoa and my sister is now starting at just turning 29, so that’s got to be in our favor mind you sometimes it doesn’t feel like that. PS: Couldn’t agree more about the moods on Clomid being the WORST SE, it’s just awful feeling depressed 24/7. I found I always had to give myself something to look forward to, whether it was dinner out at night, or a fun thing on the weekend, or a holiday in the near future, without that I would go insane, not fun at all.
OMG Bec, I am literally in tear, that is just beautiful that your sister would offer both her eggs and her body, what an amazing person she must be. Sending her and you massive hugs, sending you extra amounts of babydust for the weekend though, hope it is just wonderful.
Just thought i would pop in and see how everyone is going - had my fingers crossed for some BFP's. Hope your all doing ok and keeping positive.
Everything is goind good with me baby is still being shy and keeping legs shut so it looks like we will be getting a surprise at birth I will try and remember to check in on you more often.
Hope you guys are having a better weekend than me....
Yesterday morning I decided to tell DH that I didn't want to go to his best mates fiancee's hens party (which is in Melbourne). Not a good time to bring this up - DH is absolutely wonderful but he can be super stubborn when he wants to be. Anyway he was fuming with me on this decision and felt that I was trying to come between him and his mate WTF???? Anyway, my g/f came over to go to the movies (to see Eclipse) and she came when we were mid fight. He was acting like such a $%# and throughout the day I was getting more and more upset. Anyway once she left I really let loose, my emotions just fully took over to the point where I was bawling my eyes out - I just wanted to die at that point. I really tried to put my strategies in place all day but he wasn't holding up his end of the bargain. So I went to bed at about 5.30pm, I ended up getting up at 8pm to call my mum who was really supportive of me and helped me through it. DH came out and apologised for not being supportive - he just doesn't get it (I am not normally like this - how can he not see it is real??). I was still really disappointed and upset with him that he wasn't there when I needed him. He really could have picked his day to challenge me on the decision not to go to the hens - which btw I think is my right to choose if I do or don't want to go (who wants to spend a weekend away with a girl they don't really know and her friends??). Anyway long and short of it is that this one was worse than last month - I ripped up all the newspapers (psycho!!!) and he put the clomid in the bin (although he admitted that he took it out straight away and hid it) - lucky I had already finished taking it this month.
I feel ok today, a bit hazy and heavy headed and my eyes look like I did 3 rounds with mike tyson :-(
I just don't know how much more I can take of this - I really hope that is my only outburst this month - I just can't believe that half a pill can do this much damage!
Will respond to all other messages tomorrow - I really hope everyone else is doing OK & I am the only crazy person in here.
to all
i will colour them tonight nice and bright and cheery! I have written down negative thoughts and then turned them into positive ... for instance ... My body is a failure and will never work properly = My body will ovulate and i will get pregnant
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