LTTTC & Taking Clomid/Metformin 2009 #3

Hi ladies,

Milly and True Blue, welcome to this thread. I've found it a great thread for venting / info / support.

I've been reading a very funny book called In Vitro Fertility Goddess by Jodie Panayotov. I got it in Borders and highly recommend it for a good laugh. It's a true story of Jodie's TTC journey (she's Australian) and mentions clomid, natural therapies, threads like this and all the mumbo jumbo we go through in our attempts to conceive. Milly, in this book Jodie has a thyroid issue as well.

As I'm not on clomid this cycle I'm unsure when I'm going to O but I think it is about to happen given some of the signs. I know I said I was going to have a break with TTC over xmas and NYE but I can't help but try again, so no drinkies for me tomorrow night!

TrueBlue, when on clomid my temps stay high until AF arrives. Perhaps your thermometer is playing up or you didn't get the prerequisite 4 hours sleep before taking your temp? Or like you said it might be because you haven't O'd yet.

I'm visiting my husband's friend's newborn baby today. I've been putting it off but there's only so long you can do that! I always think I'm going to turn into a mess when I see a baby, but I'm usually OK when I do!

Wishing you ladies a happy 2010 that brings the little bundle of joy you have been hoping for.

Thanks Mez Moz.

I've been avoiding all babies and pg people too.

That book sounds interesting! I picked one up after FS first suggested IVF, called "legs up laughing" by Vanessa Bates. It sounds a similar story and was very funny too.

News - AF didn't show yesterday, and I had a very VERY faint BFP yesterday afternoon. I tested again this morning and it is still very faint. If it's really real, then I take back all the things I said about "evil clomid"!
I've just been really crampy, and am sure that AF is on her way....

Happy New Year ladies! How was your New Years?

Milly...did AF arrive? I hope not for you!

I O'd on NYE! Did a champagne induced BD then drank more champers throughout the night. For the first time in 9 months I woke up with a hangover and had to have a coffee! I have been soooooo good with my health since TTC, so if I fall preggers this cycle it just proves that doing all the right things WON'T make you pregnant and doing all the WRONG things will! Just look at all those people out there trying NOT to have babies who get UTD!

So now it's the 2WW. I'm so wishing that I do fall pregnant this cycle so I don't have to have my lap in 3 weeks.

Mx

Hi Mez Moz,
I just realised I made a HUGE typo in my last post!! I was so used to writing BFN I again typed BFN when I meant to say BFP - it was a faint BFP! Which then got stronger!! YAY!! So I am officially UTD!! (hence I take back all the things I said about "evil clomid"!)
And Mez - I agree, it's guaranteed that caffine and alcohol will improve your fertility!! This will be your month, just to prove what we have all said about those "not trying" and us who have been doing EVERYTHING!
Happy new year, and babydust everyone!!

Milly that's great news!!! I'm so happy for you! I read back your BFP post and you said you were feeling slightly crampy...did you have AF symptoms and then she never showed? I often wonder how I will be able to tell if I'm UTD as am super hypervigilant with every possible symptom - both for AF and being preggers. How many cycles of clomid had you done?

Keep us posted on your progress Milly. We need good news stories to keep us going!

Welcome to the new ladies, hope you find the forum informative and a good way to vent :)

and a big fat congrats to Milly thats wonderful news so happy for you

Nothing has really changed with me, the ivf nurse told me that to be on scedule for the procedure in Feb i need to get my period so i can start taking the pill by the end of december, i was so dissapointed when the new year ticked over without it, but afternoon on new years day it came so im taking it as a positive start to the new year lol although the i am opposit to everyone else and was hoping to get it.

have my first phone counceling session in just over a week so hopefully all goes well.

take it easy ladies and try and relax a bit, lets hope there are more posts like milly :)

after i posted my reply i was sitting here reading back and it suddeny hit my that in a couple of months i might be pregnant. This was a great thought but it did make me think about the what ifs, what if it works and i lose it again, what if im a horrible mother? I dont know why it is in my mind but i think its that i try sooo hard to get it that i put so much pressure on myselve and worry so much about another misscarrge or other things that may happen.

does anyone else feel this or am i just having a mental moment?

Hey Tammara

It's only natural to worry about the 'what ifs', but these thoughts don't serve us too well.

Each time I catch myself thinking negatively (and believe me I have many of those moments!) I take a step back and remind myself that I'm worrying about something that hasn't happened yet and may never happen. I'm wasting precious time on negative thoughts, so I remind myself to be present and focus on the good things that are happening, e.g. that I'm taking positive steps forward to have a baby rather than 'what if I am an eternal infertile'. And then I tell myself to lighten up and think about the good things I have in my life.

Sometimes this is all easier said than done, especially when AF arrives, but I know that if I spend too much time worrying then I'm not actually achieving anything. I'm just putting myself into a self-induced state of distress, which isn't good for me or my future bubba.

Be kind to yourself,
M x

Thanks, I got over my "moment" and i agree positive thinking is much better just got to me a little :)

Hi Ladies,

thanks Mezmoz & Tammara!

Mez Moz - I was CONVINCED AF was on her way, as I was cramping from a few days before and had a spot a few days before. It was only when AF didn't show that evening that I "wondered" and did a test, but as it was faint, I still didn't beleive it and thought that AF was still coming! It's quite funny now when I think about it, as god knows how many months now, I have been analysing every symptom, and convinced they were all early pg signs, only to be disappointed, and the last two times I fell pg, I was convinced I wasn't as I wasn't having fake symptoms!

This was my first cycle of clomid - the FS wanted me to do 2 cycles of clomid before starting IVF, so we weren't even expecting the clomid to work!!

Tammara - I have "those moments" all the time. I don't want to lose another one, and I also worry about what sort of parents we'll make, but I KNOW that we'll be OK, and better than some that we see!! And that our child will be loved because it is SOO wanted. hugs.

Well, I spoke to FS yesterday, and they want BT results first before they see me, so I'm off to the GP today, to get my BT.

*babydust*

Milly I'm so happy for you!I know what you mean about looking so closely for symptoms...I've been peeing more than usual today so I'm thinking, ooh could that be a sign??? The 2WW can be torture!

Let me know how you go with your FS... I've been wondering what happens with FS when fall pg. Do you have to pay them another $90 just so they can say "congratulations" !!!Do they say you are in a high risk category coz you were on clomid? It will be a happy day when I can say "bye bye" to my FS!

Hey guys,

Forstly Congrats to Milly, Such great news. When i went for my Bloods and got told i was Pg i went home and did a Pg test just to see myself and the line was very faint it took a few days for the line to get much darker, CONGRATS.. :)

Tammara glad you got over your "moment" It gets so hard sometimes but you really do need to stay positive ike you said you might be pg in a few months so you need all the positive energy that you can get atm. The amount that you are working to try and get this little bub should reassure you that you are going to be a wonderful mother :) Good luck with the councelling. Great to hear its all coming along.. Go with it and try and enjoy.

As for me im feeling much better, nausea has pretty much dissapeared, just getting a few headaches and not sleeping the best but i can cope with that. 15 weeks and counting yay

Thanks Frustrated!

Mez Moz - FS wants me to have an early dating scan (at 8w) and will see me soon after, so I guess it's not just "$90 & congrats", but then 8w is still another 3 weeks away, and my appt isn't until another week or so after that. So I'm not sure what they would be able to do anyway?????

Hi ladies

Milly, let me know how you go with your FS... it will be interesting to know when he finally 'hands you over' to the next carer.

I had a mini moment this morning. Thought I felt some cramping, signifying AF is on her way, but now I think I just needed to go to the loo! I'm 7 DPO and AF usually starts to let me know she's on her way from 8-9 DPO, so I'm being hypervigilant for AF signs. :pray: don't let her arrive!!!

have all my fingers crossed for you mez :) hope you get your bfp :)

i got more paper work from the IVF nurse and my "procedure" (sounds so clinical lol) is only weeks away they said it will be done in the week starting feb 8. Im not sure on dates as yet but i am guessing the egg retrieval will be done on the monday then they will fertalise it then implant in me on the thursday or friday - does this sound right frustrated?

im off to bed to try and get a full night sleep after having tonsilitis :( non night all

Tammara :- Going from what i remember they can fertalise the eggs for 3 - 5 days. They did my egg retreval on a Monday and then did the transfer on the Saturday so mine was 5 days.
How exciting for you.. Just make sure once you have the transfer done, rest. I took a week off work to relax and i honestly think this must have helped even just a little. I warn you the wait for the bloods after they do the transfer to see if you are PG is horrible its the longest 10 days of your life, But be patient, positive and relax.
I wish you all the luck in the world :) :pray:

Thanks for the reply and information :) the wait will be horrid im so impatient at the best of times, i have a desk job so i will be better off not taking time off work so i can try and keep my mind busy. But i will definately take a little time for myself and hubby

Hey everyone so just took my 4th round of clomid I have noticed the last couple of times my cm has been sort of dry when it's usually clear and slippery around the time of ovulation I've heard taking robitussin cough medicine can help so have started taking it. It sounds a bit silly but it's meant to work. Does anyone know what else works? Xx

Hi Bella,

I have heard the Robitussen technique, and I have heard people swear by it!

I took evening primrose oil and vitamin B6 along with my clomid.

Good luck!

Hi

Bella, I've had the same problem, even before starting clomid. My FS said stay away from lube, even the so called 'fertility friendly' ones, which is what I had been relying on. I was almost going to try raw egg white but chickened out (lol). I found the best solution was to take the BD slow and get into it rather than just baby making sex...although when you have to BD every day during O time this can be hard!

I always get AF 11 - 12 DPO. I'm up to day 12 DPO now and no sign of AF!!!! My temps are still high and I have no PMT symptoms or cramps, which I usually get. I did a preg test this morning and no BFP, but it's probably too early. I am :pray: I am UTD as I'm scheduled to have my lap next Thursday! I'm thinking I should go to the docs this Friday so I can get a blood test done in time before the lap. I've got a good feeling, but I don't know if it's just me getting my hopes up.

hi thanks for the advice i havent noticed anything yet with taking robitussin but i am due to ovulate starting anwhere between thursday - monday so hopefully by then it will have worked and yeah i havent tried lube as i heard its bad although pree seed is meant to be the only one to use....mez moz ill keep my fingers crossed for you!!:pray: i hope its happened this time for you :) xx

AF arrived yesterday morning with avengance so round one of clomid didn't work... starting round two tommorrow. I have heard you have a bgetter chance in round two is that true?

Hey Ladies,

So I though I would just pop on for a quick pre op post. Got my lap tomorrow and I am really freaking out now. I know all will be ok but I have never even had stitches before so I'm quite scared.

Sorry I haven't been on for a while, I have been reading all your posts but just wanted a a total TTC break.

I hope that 2010 is the year for all of us, I dont know if I could get through another 12 months of this rubbish. Sorry feeling a little low at the moment.

Babydust to all, hope everything is progressing for you all and that we get our BFP's very very soon.

I will post again on Friday to let you all know how I go with my op.

Bye for now xxoo

keli good luck with your op I had mine done last oct you'll be a little sore after as to be expected but just make sure you rest and don't go over doing it.

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AF arrived yesterday morning with avengance so round one of clomid didn't work... starting round two tommorrow. I have heard you have a bgetter chance in round two is that true?

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hey I just finished round 4 of clomid!!! It works really well for me just not happened yet fs reassures me everything fine. My friend took 2 rounds and got pregnant Ive noticed the clomid makes my cm almost absent and so i took robitussin and it seemed to work. Anyway I suppose it's now the 2 week wait for me...fingers crossed. Good luck hope it happens this time for you!!!!! Xx

Keli, I hope ur lap went well, do tell all the details as I have my lap next Thursday. Did the FS tell you how the op went on the day or do you have to go back to find out the details? I was so hoping I wouldn't have to have my lap but AF arrived yesterday so no NYE conception for us! I'm freaking out a bit as I've never had a general anaethestic, but a lady in my meditation class said to just do my deep breathing and I should be OK. I hope so!

I'm kind looking forward to having it in a weird way as hopefully it will give us some answers. I'm sick of being in limbo land and not knowing why we aren't falling pg.

Thinking of you all x

Hey Ladies,

So I’m onto day 4 of recovery now and I’m doing well. Just thought I’d give you an update of my procedure and what to expect for Mez Moz.

Had surgery on Thursday, I was first cab off the rank for the day which was great. Got to the hospital at 7:30am and I was on the operating table within an hour. Woke up an hour and a half later in a fair bit of pain only to be put back to sleep with more morphine, ahhhh my friend. Spent most of the day being woken up by nurses wanting to check on my wounds then drifting off back to sleep. They wouldn’t let me go home till I peed which too a while but by 4:30pm I was safely home in my bed.

I ended up with 3 incisions, they started with 2 but needed to do the third. My results: After me being very afraid that they were going to find lots of endo, they only found 3 small areas of it all of which they have now burnt off, none of which are believed to have been causing me any fertility issues, only pain. They then did the D&C (Dilation & Curette) and whilst only my right tube took the dye they are pretty sure that both my tubes aren’t blocked as there was no scar tissue. They said that sometimes your body just favours one of your ovaries rather than the other, it’s not to say that the other one doesn’t work its just that one works more often than the other. Lastly they decided to do golf balling (ovarian drilling) which they discussed with me prior to surgery. They said that they don’t know why it works but it is so effective that I may not need to take clomid anymore which would be fabulous. The drilling works for 6 months.

Hey Mez Moz, hope this info helps you out. Sorry to head about AF but at least this way you will know what is going on now. Yeah I didn’t think that I would get any results on the day as I have got friends that have had the procedure and they didn’t get their results on the same day but both of my surgeons came and spoke to me after my operation and I also asked my Nurses what went on and they were really good about giving me all the information. I have pictures to take to my gyno too. So I am having a follow up with my gyno on Feb 5th because they took some biopsy’s and I need to get the results from them but most of the other stuff I already know which is great cos otherwise I would spend the next 3 weeks stressing rather than relaxing. Oh yeah and I was also given 10 days off rather than the week that I was recommended originally cos they did more than they planned. Just thought I’d warn you, every time I think I’m ok hubby reminds me how much I can’t yet do on me own. He has just been wonderful, bought me flowers on op day, been making me dinner every night, cleaned the house (even mopped) on the weekend. Hey and I totally know what you mean about being excited for the surgery I was totally the same at least then you will have some answers. Good luck with it and please let me know how you go.

Hope everyone else is going well.

Tammara can’t be long now till your first counselling session, I will be thinking of you.

Jess85 where have you gone again, been missing you lately hope all is well.

Will give you all another update again soon, please feel free to ask any questions, I am at home bored out of my brain and totally over TV already, ha ha.

Good luck to all, talk soon,
Kel

hey keli, good to hear your doing well after it :) lets hope it gives your body the kick in the bum and gets you preggers.

Ive had one councelling session (last wednesday) im going for more this wednesday first session is me and hubby, then my egg donor and her hubby have a session then a group session then me and donor have meeting with nurse to explain the ins and outs of the procedure.

both me and my cousin have been feeling pretty anxious latel with some nerves thrown in. I think i am haveing some side effects of the pill, little cramping, bloating and im feeling a little queezy today for some reason - only thing i can put it down to is the pill but who knows.

Im off to watch a movie, take care ladies xxoo :shakehead:

Hi keli

Thanks so much for letting me know how your lap went. I'm glad I know a little more about what to expect, so thank you for sharing. And glad to know they use strong drugs for pain relief! I was thinking I might be able to teach my yoga class 5 days later but I might find a fill in just in case I don't feel up to it. I hope you feel much better as every day passes. It will be interesting to see what happens to our cycles post lap. No clomid for 6 months sounds great! Fingers crossed this lap is what we both need to get us UTD!

M x

Hi Ladies,!

i havent been on in awhile, my job have shifted me to another position that i dont like one bit & it doesnt give me much time on the net, lol .. im working on getting net installed at home this week, just havent had time.

i hope that everyone had a great xmas & new yr, hope everyone is doing well.

I have just read up on everyones post, & was so glad to hear that one of our ladies is pregnant! (sorry ive forgotton name, but you know who you are!) .. it makes me hopeful!

hey Kelli, so i read your post, so glad your all taken care of now! & it was good to read up on your expierence.. are you feeling positive?

ive just started my 4th round of Clomid, on my 3rd day today, i normally get a bit of neusea, & hot flushes..but more than anything, these damn emotions! i have tried to diet more & change my eating habits, man its hard! i am trying to stay positive, thats hard too..

so Primose oil & cough syrup? hmm ill have to google it.. anyone have a quick answer to what it helps? .. & someone mentioned b6..

im off,hopefully wont be too long, i like reading everyones posts, it gives me a booster!

Jess!

Hi Ladies

I haven't been in here for a while been avoiding forums for a bit. I get a bit obsessed lol.

keli - I read your post on your lap and wanted to thank you for that information. I was due to have one done Mon 25th but had to move it to 1st Feb. I'm getting nervous and your experience has settles some of my butterflies. I just want to get it over and done with so I have more answers.

I have an appointment woth QFG 17th Feb as well so hopefully it's all systems go from then on.

I hope it all starts sorting its self out and you find that before too long your UTD.

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AF arrived yesterday morning with avengance so round one of clomid didn't work... starting round two tommorrow. I have heard you have a bgetter chance in round two is that true?

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Hi Trueblue

I'm currently in my 2WW on my 6th round of Clomid. I think that everybody is different in how they respond to clomid. Some it takes first go and others quite a bit longer.I know of one who had 14 rounds. How many cycles has your FS decided you will have?

I think I've had too many. I think I should have had 3 goes and then further testing but I can't change that.

FX that this is your cycle.

Hi ladies

Well I had my lap this morning and the actual procedure and recovery was much less traumatic than I expected. I had a mini breakdown and nearly fainted when the anethisist spoke to me about what happens with a general anesthetic (this was my first every op and stay in hospital) but I think this was because I hate needles, hadn't eaten and was feeling a bit overwhelmed that I had to have a bloody surgical procedure to get some answers about why we don't have a bubba to hold yet. But as soon as I was given the relaxant, I was out. Apparently the first time I woke up after surgery I was in quite a bit of pain so they gave me extra pethadine, but I don't recall this pain at all (thank god!). The one thing that no one told me was that my pee would be blue afterwards! I must say that all the staff at The Avenue Hospital were so lovely and kind, and my FS was too. Oh, and my DH has been wonderful as well!

So now for the results....well my FS has asked me to make an appointment for next week so we can go through the results in detail, but he did say my tubes were fine and I didn't have any endo. Phew! So I'm really hoping that the spring cleaning he did will help us get UTD. Apparently you are more fertile for a few months after the procedure.

Porsche - you'll be fine with your lap - all the best.

M x

lots of things going on lately, glad both you ladies came out of the laps fine :) dont know about your procedure but when i had my drilling the dr actually gave me photos of my ovaries they were very interesting to look at.

Yesterday was the big day of counceling for all of us and everything went fine so that was great news, on jan 25th i will start taking my tabs to help thicken my lining and my donor starts her nose spray and needles and on feb 4 we both have ultrasound and if all looks good the egg retrieval will be done feb 8.

happening so quick!

Oh wow Tammara its all happening.. GOOD LUCK..I have everything crossed for you.. :pray:

I hope everyone is in good spirits with al the laps etc.. Its all going to be worth it and when the day comes to holding that little miracle in your arms you would have forgotten all of the stuff prior..

So i'm 17 1/2 weeks eve4rything is great, feeling the best i have in a long time i have 1 antenaetal app today, so kind of looking forward to that.

i cant wait for the day that you all get that BFP... IT WILL HAPPEN:pink-babydust:

Hey Ladies,

Oh Mez Moz that is wonderful news that your op went so well, you sound like you'll be having a quick recovery too. Yeha so sorry I forgot to tell you about the blue pee, he he! Hope the pain killers are still working for you today and that your recovery is quick and you can teach that yogo class in 4 days time.

Tammara that is awesome to hear that your counselling went well and that you are starting the process. Is it just me or has that happened so quickly? That is awesome I'm so pleased for you. How exciting, you could be UTD within 6 weeks, wow I have everything crossed for you.

Frustrated wow 17 and a half weeks that is awesome hun, thanks for your updates and your sensitivity with the subject, it's so refreshing!

Jess are you ok love, you sound a little down at the moment. I hope your job situation picks up. Good luck with round 4 of clomid, fingers crossed. YEs I am feeling much more possitive about everything now. Has your FS discussed a possible lap for you?

As for me...well I'm still off work heading back on Wednesday (my boss has decided to close for business on Monday as Tuesday is Australia day) so hopefully I'll be back to my usual self by then. My recovery has been a lot longer than I ever expected but hopefully this rest will have been just what I needed and we can get UTD very soon.

Good luck to all, I love hearing where everyone's at.

Keli xxoo

Hi ladies I have just found this thread so I thought I would join in
I am TTC#2 and been trying for 4 years now
I am on colimd and this is my second round, I have finished the tablets for this cycle and I am waiting to O now
Does anyone have PCOS as well as LTTC and on clomid?
I have long cycles and it varies so I am not sure when I will O if I O I have got OPK and will start using it tomorrow I think
I also have to take provera to entice AF to come as well so this doesn't help the situation
DH and I BD every second day is this a good idea?
I hope everyone is doing well
For u ladies that have had the OP's I hope ur feeling better now
I had a Lap and D&C last April and came back from it well but I dont remember ever having blue pee from the dye lol thats a new 1 for me lol

Hi ladies,
I was just wondering if I could join your thread. DH and I have one child conceived on Clomid. He's 3 now and we have been TTC since july 2007. I went on clomid again in april, had a BFP first month in, and then m/c at 5 weeks. We stayed on clomid and got another BFP in November, and again m/c at 5 weeks. I have just today been for a u/s with Dr Andrew Ngu who's apparently excellent, and he diagnosed me with PCOS (which I've suspected for a while) and a polyp in my uterus. Apparently the polyp can cause problems with implantation????

I'm a bit dazed and confused at the moment and I'm waiting to hear from FS to discuss the next step. I have now taken clomid for 7 cycles (my cycles are 35 days at least) and I've read you should only take it for 6 cycles.

Has anyone had similar experiences? I'd appreciate any advice or info,

Bec

Welcome to the new ladies!

I'm still feeling sore and hobbling around after my lap yesterday.

Keli, did you FS say you can start BDing as soon as you are up to it? I'm wondering if we have to wait a cycle before TTC. Guess I'll find out all the details when I see FS on Thursday. Don't know about you but those damn painkillers have made me constipated so now I'm taking laxatives with my digesics!

becnxavi - soz but I haven't had PCOS so can't help you there, but I did do 2 rounds of clomid before my lap yesterday. I had very irregular cycles, but clomid worked both times and made me O around day 17 - 19, then the cycle after when I wasn't on clomid I o'd on day 19 which was a miracle for me! So i think clomid has kicked my ovaries into gear. I'm just hoping the lap doesn't make my cycles go haywire again.

got1want1more - my FS said to BD every second day leading up to O and then every day just before O'ing. I guess the more you do it the more chances you have, but I know that sometimes you just want a break!

Here's another question for you girls TTC - am I the only one jumping the gunn and researching obs and hospitals? It seems like you have to book in as soon as you get your BFP! I would love to have a home birth but DH couldn't cope with that, so I'm trying to find out obs who avoid intervention unless absolutely neccessary. Anyone have any suggestions in Melbourne?

Hey Porsche...a word of warning about your lap recovery....don't do what I just did!

Warning ladies - poo about to be mentioned:

Because the pain meds they give you after your lap can make you constipated, I took some Nulax laxatives, but 12 hours later I was still feeling constipated which doesn't feel great when your insides are a bit tender anyway. So I took some more. BIG MISTAKE! Within an hour of taking the second lot, the first lot kicked in. ARGH!!! Anyway, to cut a horrible story short, I had the worst runs I have ever experienced in my life and spent the early hours of the morning attached to the loo! So my advice is to avoid laxatives, or only take one dose every 24 hours instead of two like I did.

So now I've had a thorough spring cleaning of all my plumbing down there! lol

Two days after my lap I'm still feeling a bit tender, but don't need pain killers anymore. I bet I'd be feeling a lot better too if I hadn't given myself the runs!

M x