TTC & Taking Clomid &/Or Metformin ~ Jan/Feb 2008

Hi all,

Tryinglikecrazy - Just thought I would let you know that after my first round of clomid I was shocked at how heavy it was. I had never had it that heavy before and it freaked me out a little. My second cycle was also heavy but my third a little lighter. So all in all I would say it is normal and just means theres lot of nutrients there for you know what when the time comes. Hope that helped

MrsB26 - Welcome and best of luck!!!

Theresep - Hi sorry to hear about the cyst but glad your in a good frame of mind. Well I'm on day CD14 today and waiting for O (Clomid doubled to 100mg to see what happens). Also have a minor case of thrush which I'm not to happy about :(. So this will be my last cycle on clomid before having a few months break and seeing if I start to O naturally. Feeling a little emotionally drained at the moment and the excitment of TTC has definately decreased over the months.

So my problem at the moment is that my DH is on a bucks night this weekend (same day/day before I usually O) so I'm really not happy about that due to the amount of alcohol they will consume. Is it reasonable for my to insist/demand that he not drink??? Is that possible on a bucks night......I'm guessing probably not. Any hints??? Theres never been an issue about going out and drinking etc...not that my DH is a big drinker but when the boys get together they have a fair few, but since ttc its just becoming a sore point.

ANyway best of luck
Kristen

Hi Everyone

Kristen160 - Cycle 5 has been missed by me due to spotting starting 2 weeks ago which I didn't think was AF, but 2 weeks later still bleeding. My FS has told me to take provera for the next 2 weeks to stop the bleeding and then will hopefully start a new cycle again at 25mg a week after I stop the meds. Fingers crossed something happens this time.

Tryinglikecrazy - I know what you go through with having heavy AF, after my 3rd cycle mine was so heavy I felt that I was losing sooooo much. I asked my FS why this happened and he said that generally when you O AF is heavier. The more follicles you have the heavier the bleed. Makes sense as that cycle I had 5 follicles (cycle was cancelled). So you might have had more than 1 follicle mature hence the heavy AF.

Good luck girls, I will be back in a few weeks when cycle 6 starts.

Hi Girls

Well Kim's scan on monday was good!! She has two big follicles and so we triggered monday night and will go for the IUI tomorrow morning at 7.30am!! We have learnt our lesson on driving ourselves mad with E2 levels and LH levels, so we just do what the doc says... I gather from the bloods there was no sign of a natural surge, hence triggering last night... Measurements of the follies were 16.9 and 16.5 so pretty much the same so we should be in with twice the chances this cycle!!!

Holly - keep those fingers and toes crossed for us!

theresep - glad to see you are so positive with seeing the natropath and the accupuncture, i loved the accupuncture during my cycles!!

Tryinglikecrazy - Sorry AF is being such a B**** to you. Kims AF is usually heavier after Clomid too, another wonderful side effect huh!

MrsB26 - Welcome to the gang, only pre-requisite is we want to know everything that happens in your knickers, ok maybe not everything, umm yeah close enough! What DPO are you up to?

Mel A - Any news after the dozen egg whites LOL!!

Kristen160 - i would let him go and let his hair down, its a pretty stressful business the TTC and it'll do him good to not have to think about it. The hubbies need a way to release their stress too...

KellyD - Crazy hormones huh? I took the provera once, it sorted my cycle out and stopped the spotting i had mid-cycle, just had to start again! I was waiting for an embryo transfer at the time, so it sucked ALOT!! Try not to stress too much, i know, easy to say...

Good Luck Girls!!!





I start a brand new job at 8.00 so hope the doc is ready to go!!

Thanks for the warm welcome. Call me Kristy if you like - or MrsB, i dont really mind

Twomums Ha! that's ok, gotta laugh about the undies comment - sometimes i feel like a dirty old man i spend that much time poking around down there. I am happy to share lol. Currently 11dpo for me

Good luck with Kims IUI in the morning


Kristen Can you dtd before he goes out? If not i would just let him have a good time, try to think of all those babies conceived when both parties were drunk. My sister has 2 boys, both made that way so i wouldnt be too worried about one night

KellyD I hope the provera gets your cycles sorted out soon

Me nothing happening atm :D

Good luck to everyone

hey girls :)

Twomums: woohoo thats great news on the follicles.:clap::dance: Let us know what happens !!!

Welcome Kristy..dont hesitate to ask any questions or just "vent", we are all here for eachother.

Tryinglikecrazy - sorry to hear about AF, but i always think of it as a good sign coz if u have AF u have obviously "o". So just think, it wont last forever, even tho it may seem like it. I really hope it gets better soon :pray:

Kristen - Yeah i agree with Megan, you should let ur man let his hair down. I know when TTC for so long they can get sick of hearing about all the bad news. Mayb just once let him out and relax. But mayb before he goes to remind him that way too much alcohol can lower is sperm count. I dont know if this was true but my gyno told me this when we were TTC which was only 8 weeks ago...


Keep strong all of you and take care..hope to hear some good news soon :) xox

Thanks girls for your replies....I'm going to take your advice and let my man let his hair down etc etc.... I think all these hormones/emotions make you get a bit crazy and irrationale at times. Anyway

Kellyd - Hope it all gets sorted so you can continue on this ttc journey.

Twomums - Fingers crossed for you :) good luck

Just a question? In all of my 4 cycles.....I have never got a positive from an ovulation test etc..... but occording to my temps rises I have been ovulating?
Is this normal, I have used a variety of brands etc with the same result.
Has anyone else come across this...... the day I see a positive on anything I'll be doing the happy dance.

Stay strong everyone. I really appreciate the support of this forum and its beautiful members. Just thought I would all let you know.

hey,

Kristen - If you are on clomid, it is not the best idea to do ovulation tests. The clomid can interfere with the results. When i took clomid i did the opk's and they all said i never "o" but now im preggas. The best way to find out is a blood test. (this isnt my personal opinion, its what my gyno told me). i did a blood tests and it came back i did ovulate..go figure. But as i said clomid does interfere with opk's but not pregnancy tests. Hope this helped a little :)

Hi everyone,

In need of a little advise. This cycle my clomid was increased to 100mg (I did ovulate on 50mg but FS decided to give 100mg a go??) and with the previous cycles I had fertile cervical mucus present but this cycle none!!! I know this may be a symptom of the clomid but I'm nearly at O time and still no fluid down there...very dry. Is there anything that can help with that and if theres no fertile mucus is conception even possible???
Very confusing.

Went to see my OB yesterday.
He gave me 1 pescrption for Primulot (to be used if AF doesn't turn up in next 45 days)
1 pescription, with 5 repeats for clomid (7 cycles worth) I'm on 100mg.
and 7, day 21 blood test referals.

He then said I could book in to see him in 7 months. Or I could be all optimistic and not book because I'd have to book in eairler when I get a BFP. (well he didn't say BFP but you get the drift)

So I'm crossing fingers for AF to turn up in the next 2-3 weeks, then we can start all over again.

Hi Kirsten160,
Even if you have no CM, comming out, If you ovulate your cervix will be secreting something even if it is only a little bit. It is harder to concieve without the CM, so give the swimmers a helping hand and use a sperm friendly lubricant, that will help with transfer and hopefuly get them close enough to be sucked in by the natural stuff.
I found that my first cycle on 100mg, was a fairly dry one, and after that everything went back into egg white mode.

cheers all

hey mel.
thats exactally what the doctor did to me..brought on my AF with meds and then clomid then bt etc. and now look.. :) good luck!!!

Congratulations Holly, I'm crossing everthing that all goes well.

for those wondering, still no movement on the 12 egg whites. I think I might do HPT before I take the Primulot just to be sure.. Thats if AF doesn't turn up.

My body feels pretty normal, but then It felt normal through all ten of the previous BFP weeks. so who can be sure.

xxx

Mel: Praying for a BFP for you!!!!

Twomums: sounds positive!!! So as im a newy to iui, will they just inject sperm into her?? sorry if that sounded rude but im very curious!!

Kristen: hehe its weird writing that as it my name too!!!! but everyone calls me Krissy. Good luck with the 100mg!! i agreee go and get some sperm friendly lube just to be safe!!

Kristy: hope your well!!!

OK now for the news...went to FS on wenesday, DH results r worse and are chances of falling r low, cause me not Oing isnt enough!!!! He said we should up our health cover asap to cover IVF as we will need it :crying: Im so scarred nervous!!!! WE will continue on with the clomid, we r only allowed to use it for 6 cycles so we r going to try to fall ouselves for the next year and if still no bub then we will go with IVF....:crying:

Tryinglikecrazy, they insert a speculum, and they put a tiny cathether on the end of a syringe and suck up the washed sperm from the vial once it defrosts, and then they insert the tiny cathether into her cervix and push it right up into the uterus and squirt the sperm into the uterine cavity, so more or less the sperm is already travelling into the fallopian tubes before she even gets off the table...

So i guess they just squirt the sperm into her yeah LOL.... 2 days past IUI today....and counting....

I hope everyone is travelling well

AF turned up for me on saturday - right on cue for my best friends baby shower which i was having trouble coping with anyway let alone with HER lurking in my pants, grrrr

FS has advised that this cycle i take the clomid from cd2 - cd6 instead of the ususal for me cd5 - cd9.

He didnt really explain why except to say that it may give me a better chance of concieving and it was worth a try. Anyway, i should have asked more questions about it but i was more concerned with the chromasonal testing we are having atm to worry about it - so i want to ask you guys if you know the difference between taking it earlier in your cycle or later or does it even make a difference???

MrsB26 - I'm so sorry AF showed her ugly face!!

If you could imagine that as soon as AF arrives, your brain sends the signal to your ovaries saying that you are not pregnant and to start maturing the next follicle. When you add the clomid earlier it may (or may not) give more than one follicle the signal to grow. So theoretically the sooner you take the clomid (which tricks your brain into producing more FSH which makes the follicles mature) the more likely it is that you will produce more than one follicle.

When you take the clomid later, it only usually has time to signal one follicle to grow big enough to release an egg, and even another follicle might grow, but not big enough to release a mature egg. It normally would start shrinking if the dominant follicle is greedy and takes all the FSH it can to grow to maturity. Survival of the biggest if you like. This happens if you dont take clomid even, that is if you dont have PCOS or any other ovulatory problem

Now if you have PCOS, thats a whole other ball game, which i don't know enough about, but i am gathering that you have alot of little follicles and no dominant follicle, hence no ovulation and the aim of clomid is to mature at least one follicle big enough to release an egg. Maybe in the past, taking it later, the follicle never grew big enough, therefore didn't release a mature egg. So taking the clomid earlier gives it extra time to grow, so that it gets bigger and then releases a mature egg.

Hope that my raving on wasn't too hard to understand.... i confuse my self sometimes....:redface:

Thanks Twomums. I thought something similar about more follies but i wasnt 100% sure. Yep that definately makes sense. No I dont have PCOS, i am using clomid as a hormone booster and a cycle regulater.

Well something is definatley going on earlier this time, started the bloating and niggles all ready..................time will tell

I have edited that last post about 5 times....lol.... might pay to read it again!!

This cycle Kim took 100mg Clomid from day 2-5 and she got two equal sized follicles!

The cycle we got pregnant was 100mg clomid day 2-5 she got three!!! The scan at day 11 showed she had an 18mm follicle and a 12mm on one side and a 18mm one on the other side. So we were freaking out about having triplets!! But it is most likely that by day 14 (Day of Insemination) the 12mm did not continue to grow to maturity, and therefore she probably only released two eggs. That was the cycle she got pregnant (With one baby!)..

Kim has had cycles where she only got one follicle, mainly when she was on 50mg... and because she never got pregnant on the 50mg, and has had cycles where she didn't fall pregnant on 100mg with two follicles, we just take the 100mg and hope to get two each time and pray for the golden egg (and hopefully only get one baby - but if we get two.... oh well, not fussy at this stage!)

We are currently on 8dpo today... creeping closer to testing time!!!

Hi Everyone

You all have such amazing stories and I really hope I see some BFP's next to your names soon.

I'm starting my first cycle of clomid tomorrow - day 2. Am a little nervous about the side effects but I figure a little moodiness etc is nothing compared to holding a healthy bub in my arms (fingers crossed). Not sure what to expect over this first month so I'll probably be full of questions..... hope y'all don't mind.

TwoMums Oh the wonders of the tww, sending you ladies some positive vibes

AJC Welcome - another novocastrian!! Ask away, i have only just joined this group also but i have been taking clomid for 5 cycles. I get some side effects but mainly headaches, bloating and mood swings (watch out lol!). Good luck with your journey

Well i'm back in the game.
AF turned up today, so were back TTC after our M/C. 100mg day 2-6 the DTD every 36hrs day 10-18.

cross fingers we don't have to wait that long...

Hi Everyone, I am CD10 of my first cycle using clomid (took it days 3-7 at 25mg a day). Its been prescribed to try to help with a short luteal phase. I have my first transvaginal uss on tuesday (CD14) which i'm terrified about and had my first accupuncture session yesterday with someone who sepcializes in fertility treatment. Earlier in this thread Hollye9188 said that clomid interferes with opk's. Does anyone know how this works? I use opks as the main way of telling when to do an insemination (my female partner and I are using a known donor) and if they didn't work then not sure how we'd work out the timing. Any thougths greatly appreciaited, thanks

hey,

yes i have been told by many docs, FS and gynos that clomid can interfere with opk's. Im not to sure why this is but i have always been told while on clomid its a waste of time to do home opk's and to go get the bloodtest done at day 21. This did work for me coz i have done opk's and they never said i was "o". but when i went for my bt, i did "o" and now im 8 weeks pregnant.

Please dont take this as "dont u dare do opk's". Its just wat i have been told and i wanted to share it with you all..

I have a good feeling about Kim..:) let us know what happens!!!!

take care all

ps. sorry drgirl, i didnt read ur post propley. Im not too sure how u would work out the actual day for insemination. If you get a positive reading from an opk, the only choice u have is to go with that. I have no idea coz day 21 would be too late for you, unless u have a bt and ur doc can tell you around what day u "o" coz of ur readings or something?? omg im prob not making any sense. hope all goes well

Hey DrGirl72, I would say that you need to either a) have a monitored cycle with a trigger injection to pinpoint ovulation or b) inseminate every second day with fresh sperm from days 10-18 if possible...

I would have thought that day CD14 would be cutting it fine if you have a short LP, but i guess if you go in on day 14 and you are fairly close to ovulating you can inseminate then and then 36 hrs later.... but what if you have already ovulated by day 14. i would have thought you would ovulate by day 14 or at least on day 14 if you have a short LP... spose that depends on how long your cycle is..

IMHO...If you are having an ultrasound, that IS pretty much a monitored cycle, ie. Checking for follicle growth etc... and therefore you may as well trigger when you are close to natural ovulation (have a blood test to confirm) with the HCG injection, saves the guess work... It may be ok for hetro couples not to trigger coz they can just keep on having sex with each other until they are sure ovulation has occurred... but it really depends on how many times you want to inseminate, plus how many times your donor wants to donate per cycle....

The reason why Kim and I have monitored cycles with trigger injection is so we can pinpoint exact ovulation because we have an unknown donor and the sperm is cleaned and frozen for IUI.... we need to pinpoint ovulation with frozen sperm because it doesnt last as long as fresh sperm... you guys have the benefit of fresh sperm, but you also want to sort of pinpoint ovulation a little bit i guess because who wants to inseminate every couple of days for a week with a donor...i dont know, you may, but i wouldn't....

Oh and MelA - Bugger, bugger, bugger.... good luck this cycle! We'll be here to egg you on....get it....egg you on!!! LOL

PS... Kim has sore boobs, extremely sore nipples and she felt sick after eating dinner last night (i didn't) and she feel asleep on the couch by 8pm, she had all the same symptoms last time she was pregnant... although those symptoms started around 10dpo last time. Last night she was 8dpo and today is 9dpo and tomorrow she is 10dpo...ok well you get the point...still counting LOL!

Thanks Hollye9188 and TwoMums.
Re OPKs, my understanding is that they detect the LH surge and that clomid block oestrogen therefore increasing fsh. i vaguely know that fsh levels are related to the timing of the LH surge but i cannot work out how the lh surge would be blocked or whatever to stop a +opk. Anyway any more ideas very welcome, otherwise i will ask my dr on tues.

Re insemination timing.... I have a relatively long follicular phase and usually ovulate between CD 17 and CD21, have a 27-30 day cycle with a 9-11 day luteal phase. I don't know (and maybe someone else can tell me) whether having clomid (CD 3-7) is likely to shorten the follicular phase and therefore make ovulation earlier? I make have to chat with our donor re doing more inseminations over a longer time if we are not going to be able to rely on opks. Will also ask dr re trigger shot, thanks twomums for that... Does trigger shot need to come from fs or do general obstetricians prescribe them??? thanks again, girldoc

DrGirl72 - Clomid should make your follicle grow faster therefore getting to the size needed to ovulate quicker, but the trigger shot also helps the final maturisation of the egg as well. As far as i know only your FS can give you HCG for the trigger.

hey

Megan - they are very promising signs because thats how i felt :) i started getting tired from about 7dpo..but i just assumed i was getting sick or i was just lazy?!? well it turned out i was preggas and now just over 8 weeks..

Gooooooooooooooood LUCK!!! :pray::pray::pray:

:bluedust: :bluedust: :bluedust: :stickyvibesboy:

Thanks for the welcome MrsB26!

Was hoping to see some more BFP's in here by now, hope everyone is going well.

I've just finished my first round of Clomid cd6 today so my fifth & final tablet went down with brekkie. Am ok - not sure if the side effects only come when you are actually taking the tabs or for the whole cycle. Not sure if I'm just really sensitive to it all but have just felt a little dizzy if I get out of bed suddenly or am crouching down and jump up to quickly. Have sort of had a little niggling headache too but again that could be because I'm sensitive to it and am "looking" for symptoms. Not sure what to expect this month. Temp has been higher than usual and all over the place. My follow up appointment with doc is not until 21 April though, which would be cd32 - so if I O earlier than normal (usually cd18) then that appointment might be too late - what if he wants to increase dosage for next cycle??? I think I'll call and address the issue sooner rather than later.

Am going to use OPK's this cycle (don't usually work for me) so will be interesting to see how I go there. Doc actually recommends to use them. Have heard some people say that they don't work when using Clomid so - I guess all of our bodies are so different? Who knows.

Twomums: how is Kim? Hope it's a BFP for you both this month.

DrGirl72 - was interesting what you were saying about opk's. Did you ask your doc?

take care everyone.

Well I survived my first transvaginal ultrasound and as others on this site have said, i agree that it was easier than a pap smear! In fact once it was in we were all so focussed on the screen looking at follicle size that i didn't worry too much about what was happening elsewhere! The left ovary had nothing much in the way of follicles but the right had a clearly dominant good sized one plus about three that were only 8-10cm. Dr thinks i have either just ovulated or am just about to- which is early for me (toaday is CD14 and usually ovulate CD 17-21, guess its the clomid!). So have just messaged the donor and we will do an insemination tonight... but we may have in fact missed the egg. Am trying not to feel bad re. this and see this first clomid cycle as a bit of an experiment.

I did ask dr re opks and clomid... he said they should still work, only thing is if you use them when in the days you took clomid u could get a false positive but that a week after finishing clomid should be ok and as they usually work for me he said to definitely keep using them. So did one straight after the appt , about midday and got a clear positive! so just perhaps we haven't missed that egg (plus my temp was still low this am!) Babydust to you all, Girldoc

Girldoc - thanks for letting me know what doc said. Good luck and I really hope you haven't missed the egg this month. I don't think you've missed it if your temp is still down and you got +OPK. :fertilise::goodluck:

I was kind of looking at this month as an experimentation month too - I usually O cd18 so am glad you mentioned that you had O'd earlier. Obviously all of our bodies are different but it's just so great to speak to someone who is going through the same thing.

Spoke too soon about side effects, feeling yuk this afternoon. Mild nausea like I've just got off a merry go round or something. I felt a little off yesterday afternoon too but thought I was reading into things too much but today is definite nausea. Hopefully that means its working. If it gets too bad or hangs around I think I will call my doc just to make sure that all is ok.

Hey Ladies,
I started a thread in conception and was pointed in this direction :)

I am on my second cycle of clomid now AF arrived last thursday and it has been EXTREMELY heavy up until today it has eased off but I am now feeling really light headed like I am about to pass out... Is this a normal effect of clomid ? Has anyone experienced this before I am only on 50mg just a little concerned atm :( I also started dry reaching on thursday and was feeling terrible!

I wish you all the best :bluedust:

AJC- I agree that its so great to be able to connect with others going through the same thing.

Re clomid side effects, I didn't notice anything in the days I was taking it (CD 3-7) but by about CD 11 started with hot flushes, sore BBs and now a bit of nausea. Dr said this is all probably from the clomid.. hope they don;t last too much longer
I've also been a bit moody but according to my parnter no different from my normal moodiness!

whoop sorry Miss K forgot to say welcome to this thread, but sorry can't help re. AF being heavy as i'm just on my first cycle of clomid. however, it is my understanding that if you don't ovulate your AF is meant to be lighter than if you do. So if you then taek clomid and start to ovulate then AF can be much heavier.. its not so much related to the dose of clomid but rather at what particular dose you ovulate (thats if you are taking it to induce ovulation!) Hope this makes some sense!

Hi all,
As a seasoned clomid taker. This is what i've found out about how it works the side effects the reasons why etc.

So, as we all know clomid is there to help us O.
O is caused by a progressive amount of different hormones peaking.. or in a way I understood it;
O starts with a low level of estrogen in our bodies. this low level causes GnRH (gonadotropinreleasing hormone) to rise this triggers the follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) This causes the folical to grow. This growing causes a rise in estrogen. At its peak, estrogen activates the luteinizing hormone (LH) the LH is what causes the folical to release the egg. Once done this leaves behind corpus luteum (the empty follicle) the corpus luteum causes the body to produce estrogen and progesterone this is to prepare the uterus for baby carrying.

So Clomid. It kind of tricks the body into thinking that the estrogen level is really low, right at the beginning. (hense the reason we take it during AF) This really low level forces our bodies to start doing the right thing and it produces GnRH. (the first hormone) On the right level this is enough to kick everey thing into gear and presto our bodies start doing what they are meant to. It does effect each of the hormones needed for O but this is the general gist of how it works.

Clomid can cause side effects (and does;)) but a lot of what we are feeling is our bodies natural reaction to a new does of hormones. (Kind of like puberty is our bodies reacting the lots of new hormones. )

Must, must, got to work

Cheers Mel

Welcome Miss K - I'm in my first round of clomid too so unfortunately don't have any advice but just wanted to say welcome.

I ended up vomiting last night, was really hot all night. Feel ok this morning but hope these side effects don't last my whole cycle. Man - why do we have to go through this?!?!?! I sat in the bath telling myself that 'it will be worth it in the end'. Thinking positive.

Thanks for the description Mel A, hoping the side effects means it's working too.

Kim got her periods... 2 days early... Back to the drawing board... Kim started 100mg Clomid today... Not taking any notice of any sort of pregnancy symptoms next time... Must only pee on stick at 14 dpo and blood test when and only when the pee stick is positive... I've been sewing nappies like a mad woman... stupid, stupid, stupid...

Rang our doc and after this attempt, if it doesn't work, Kim is going to have a Lap and dye done in May... see if maybe she has some endo, perhaps, she has god awful period pains...

Anyhow, just thought i'd better update.

Welcome AJC and Miss K, Good Luck :pray:

TwoMums oh no, i am so sorry, if only it got easier but it only gets harder :hug: I had a lap and dye last july, i fell pg the first cycle after but unfortunately ended in m/c. You're not stupid for being hopeful and excited, just think of all the beautiful things you will have made for your baby when it does arrive. I wish i could make you guys feel better, but i do understand the dissappointment - we all do, take care.

Me on cd12 atm, not having monitored cycles anymore for a while because i know that i do O. Just going with the flow, not sure when o day will be, was usually cd15 when i was taking clomid later - now i'm taking it earlier i dont know what to expect. I got out the bbt thermomter and am using it for this cycle only but we have stated to dtd. That's the only thing I hate about ttc - dtd because you "have to" not because you want to - i mean want to but i dont like having to iykwim??
Getting really bad hot flushes this cycle but no other symptoms which i am happy about, normally i am bloated like a week old dead cow by now but not this cycle - woohoo, can wear my skinny jeans lol!

:hello: to everyone

Twomums - sorry af arrived for Kim. It's so cruel when your body is telling you that you are pg when you're not. Good luck this cycle.

Mrs B26 - it is sooo hard to keep the romance alive isn't it. It's our wedding anniversary on the 9th so hopefully that will bring the romance back. If only we could go on our honeymoon again - wishful thinking. he he he, you made me lol with the 'week old dead cow' comment. Haven't heard that one before and it made me giggle.

No nausea today - hooray. I did get quite hot and flushed at my dance class tonight though which doesn't normally happen. I can handle the hot flushes but the nausea - ick, that's bad. Have no idea when to start bd this month, am thinking cd 12?!? We'll see.

AJC Oh yes, i agree, i can handle the hot flushes but the nausea and headaches are the worst. I am thankful to have skipped them this time around although probably knowing my luck i will get them 10 fold next cycle jus to make up for it. Glad i made you chuckle, i was going to say "a week old dead cow in the sun" but i thought that was too gross lol.

As for starting to dtd, i always think that cd10 is a good starting point as the sperm can supposedly live for up to 4 days and if you end up Oing early (which clomid can make you do) atleast you have hopefully a small army ready to attack the elusive egg. Otherwise go for it when your cm starts to go watery. Or jst when you feel like it lol.

Oh, can i ask what part of Newie are you from???? Who's your FS? I see Dr Woolcott

Mrs B26 - I'm actually a Maitland girl but no-one usually knows where it is so I just stick to Newcastle. I've been seeing Dr McGrath, he's great.

Hmmm - think cd10 might be a good idea. Told DH I wasn't going to tell him when O day is as I don't want him under too much pressure. As I said - determined to keep romance alive this month.

Twomums sorry that this one wasn't the month for you :hugs: