TTC & Taking Clomid &/Or Metformin ~ Jan/Feb 2008

Sweet of you to drop by Hollye - good luck with your u/s tomorrow. I bet you are so excited, you're going to see bub for the first time! Enjoy!

Mel - glad you got confirmation of O. Good luck for testing on Fri. Sounds very promising for you this month, sending more :pink-babydust::bluedust:.

Twomums - how you doing? Any symptoms, :2ww:

I'm not really feeling anything either way, I do actually mentally 'feel pg' kind of all calm and relaxed (which is unusual for me) but I don't have the metallic taste that I did last time. My breasts seem quite plump, have been a little more tender than usual but am just putting the changes down to the clomid. I guess my strongest symptom would be that twinging pulling sensation across my lower abdomen. i had this last time I fell pg and do get it most months just not this intense. Have been peeing alot lately too but again putting that down to a clomid side effect. Oh, well if it's not to be then next month isn't too far off now. Being pg at Christmas would be just as nice as having a bub for Christmas.

:hug::pink-babydust::bluedust: for all and :stickyvibesgirl: for the pg ladies.

Think I'm out for this month girls - big temp drop this morn and looks like af will show her ugly face soon. Oh well - here's to another month of clomid.

AJC: Thats no good. Will still keep fingers crossed untill AF turns up.

Me: my temp went up again today (click on ticker to see).
i'm going to cave and POAS everyday untill AF or a BFP. :think::wiggle::pink-babydust::pink-babydust:

Good luck Mel - :pink-babydust::bluedust: chart looks really good!

AJC- sorry re. temp drop, hope you're doing OK

Quick Hi to everyone else, lots of BFP vibes!

Yep - the witch (or should I say b***h) is here. I'm not so much disappointed about not being pg I am just so disappointed about a 10 day LP!!! I'm starting to think that I really do have problems now, won't jump to conclusions - will see what ob says on Mon.

Spotting started at lunch time (sorry for TMI but not just the brown spots, fresh red spots too). So is today cd1, do I start clomid tomorrow. Or would you wait until you have an actual normal flow & count that as cd1. Last month I started spotting late at night and af arrived in normal flow following morning so I counted that morn as cd1.

well af now here full on so I have decided that today is cd 1 so I guess it's back to the clomid tomorrow. Have decided I need to do something else to try and help my short LP so am going to try vitex. It's natural so surely it wouldn't clash with the clomid? Any thoughts. Sorry if I have been overbearing with all of my posts today but it's really been a struggle today. Bumped into a colleague from my old work (who doesn't know my ttc history or even than I'm ttc) but all she did was talking about who's pregnant, blah blah blah. I'm really happy for them but hearing "she fell straight away" didn't exactly help considering the frame of mind I was already in. Ok off to the supermarket now to get some vitex - going to turn this bad day around. Hmmm, might get some Thai take away and a bottle of wine on the way home. :hug: to you all.

Mel, here's some more :pink-babydust::bluedust:.

I generally count the first day of red as CD1. Big :hug: to you, I don't know anything about vitex, but I generally call OB on those things. God luck I hope your Clomid symptoms are few and easy.

Well, I caved this morning. :bfn:. It is only 12dpo so AF is due between tomorrow and Tuesday. (LP has never been regular) Will wait untill i can't stand it any more and do another test or AF turns up. Good sign though, Temp went up again today. \
So hope is not lost.

:crossfingers::pink-babydust::crossfingers::pink-babydust:

Temp rise speaks louder than a BFN at 12dpo. probably too early.......showering you with tonnes more :bluedust::pink-babydust:

Just googled vitex & clomid and apparently they're not recommended together so I'm going to get B6. I already take blackmores conceive well gold which has 50mg of B6 but you can take up to 200mg per day so I'll try & find a 100mg supplement or something.

Have also noticed that since I cut back on the exercise my cycle hasn't been as good. Back in Dec/Jan when I was at the height of my fitness craze my temps were outstanding and LP 14 days. Needless to say I was up early and walking this morn. I only slowed down with the exercise because all of my clothes were becoming too big on me. Bugger it if I lose more weight I'll just have to buy more clothes - I want my good LP back.

More :pink-babydust::bluedust: and hugs for everyone. Twomums, how you going?

hey girls,

sorry been so busy with work and my new scooter... nothing is happening... kim is now 9dpo and is having zero symptoms... complete opposite to last cycle. She had that sicky feeling by day 9 and tired and also very sore boobs etc, but alas BFN... This time she feels completely normal... no sore boobs, not tired and not sick. Be interesting to see what happens. She normally gets AF on 12 days post IUI so if there is no AF on 12 dpiui we will test on 13 dpiui... hope everyone else in the tww is hangin in there...

AJC - Sorry that witch showed up, good on you for being proactive about it tho...

MelA - We got a BFN on day 12 and a BFP on day 14 the time Kim got pregnant...fingers crossed big time for you!!

DrGirl72 - Hows the clomid treating you this cycle??

Still waiting........... This is the longest TWW I've ever had. :pray: Temp stayed up again so still good news.

OK, I need a vote do i go and get a blood test? (to put me out of my misery)
Or do i wait till i get a BFP when I POAS?

Also can the bloods come back negative this early?

Everything my body is doing tells me i'm pregnant. I'm 98% sure, it is just the HPT that keep comming back negative that are making me unsure.

your thoughts

:pink-babydust::bluedust:Mel - oh the agony. I hope that second line starts appearing very soon. A blood test will show up a positive this early so if you need that to put you out of your misery then get one done. With high temps it is still sounding very promising despite the stupid pee sticks saying No. Good luck - sending lots of positive vibes your way.

Twomums - Good luck for this cycle. :pink-babydust::bluedust:

Docgirl - hope your temps are stable now.... good luck.:pink-babydust::bluedust:

Thanks for the thoughts twomums and AJC. CD10 today, sore breasts/nipples and very hot at night...assuming these are clomid related. Temps still up and down, a bit odd, if it was clomid then would have thought BBT would have always been up rather than all over the place... fell free to have a squiz at my chart and comment. Saw my fertility accupuncturist today, she was puzzled by my temps and in the end thought it was prob clomid as there was no other explanation! Will start OPKs tomorrow and have USS next tuesday.

I'm not very good at the whole personals thing but :bluedust: to all of you.

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Man this journey is frustrating - had ob appointment for this afternoon, been cancelled. Called out for c-section which I understand totally but GGGRRRRR - I'm already cd6 and still don't know what my response was to the first month - I already O on my own so my guess was that he wouldn't increase my dosage anyway but what if - this month could be a waste. Appointment rescheduled for Thu morn :crossfingers: I get to this one.

Sorry - rant over.

Mel, two mums - how you doing?

Docgirl, temps look like they have stabalised a little over last 3 days. GL this month.

Bugger!:wall:
Temp dropped this morning, and AF turned up, she isn't very heavy more spotting really but the cramps are here. So, i'm up to my eyeballs on Naprogesic and hotwater bottles.

It would seem i'll be with you all for another cycle. On to Clomid #10

:hug: and :bluedust: to all

Well we're out, Kim got AF after two neg HPT's on day 12 and 13 and straight after she tested on day 13 post IUI she got HER.... she normally gets them on day 12 so at least her LP was a day longer, although that got our hopes up...again. That was attempt no. 13.

Kim really wants to try again this month, if she does she would have to start the clomid tomorrow.... inseminate in 2 weeks (around 5th May) and we would be testing 2 weeks later (around 19th May).. If we got pregnant, we would get our 7 week viability ultrasound 3 weeks after that (around 9th June) and we would leave to go to Malta for 5 weeks 10 days after that (on the 19th June).

Thing is last time we didnt even get to 7 weeks without some spotting and ultimately lost the heartbeat at 8w (after seeing it twice at 6w6d and 7w3d).

If that were to happen again I would hate for it to happen while we are on holidays and also at Kim's sisters wedding and while overseas without our Dr.

So i guess I have just spelled out why we shouldn't try again until we get back from Malta on 24th July.

Guess we are now on a 3 month break. So in the meantime we are going to ring our dr and schedule a Laparoscopy to check for endometriosis and also check kims tubes with the dye test. But before that Kim needs to have CD3 bloods done to check her FSH levels. Thats never been done before either. She has been checked for ANA and ACA's because of the miscarriage. Is there anything else you guys can think of that we can check in this forced break??

Two Mums and Mel :hug: Sorry about af, she's a b!tch isn't she?!?!

Twomums - I hope you both relax during the break and have a lovely holiday. At least if you can use your 3 month break for something productive then that is one good thing.I had my first m/c 3 days after I returned home from 2 weeks in Canada - I was so glad it didn't happen while I was away (especially because it was work so DH wasn't with me). DH and I had a 4 month break after my second m/c last year, this was so we could do some tests before we tried again. Plus ob discovered that I wasn't immune to chicken pox so he recommended I have my shots for that which meant no ttc for 3 months anyway. Also did a hysteroscopy to look for septum, fibroids or polyp. Other than that I've had fasting glucose (check for insulin resistance/pcos). I also went to the genetic clinic to get tested for cystic fibrosis carrier status. Good luck.

Mel, another cycle for me too. cd6 today so tablet No 5 went down with brekkie. No symptoms yet this month. I thought for sure I'd be sick again today but not so far. Good luck this month!

I hadn't checked in for a couple of days (computer playing up) and am very sorry to hear everyone's sad and frustrating news...

AJC- at this very moment I am meant to be having my CD14 USS but got a call from obs office saying he had to do an emergency CS...understanding your frustration. At least my ob is going to try to fit me in later, sorry that you are having to wait to see your dr. I hate not being the one in control of things! :(

Mel A and TwoMums, so vewry sorry that AF arrived :hug:

TwoMums, I imagine I would be torn re trying this months vs waiting until after Malta but agree that runnnig into problems while OS would not be a good thing and very stressful.

As for me, OPK yesterday still negative but last evening had a heap of EWCM (sorry if TMI) which was surprised at as thought clomid dried things up and I didn't have any noticeable CM on a lower dose! Meant to be having USS today to ensure not too many follicles. My biggest concern is that I have not been able to contact our donor, I am probably worrying over nothing! He was going to melb for the weekend and only due back today but I SMS him last night re. starting inseminations tonight and haven't heard back which is very unusual for him. My overactive imagination is having him hurt or deciding to give the donor thing a flick, which i think is incredibly unlikely but can't stop my mind going there! Hopefully he'll turn up by tonight.

:pink-babydust: to you all!

DrGirl72 I'm sure he'll call today, Melbourne is a busy place.
Me well, my feet are peeling lots. (last time the first sign i got was brown tanned feet when i'd been wearing walking boots and jeans for about a week) It happend again so i was sure it was my turn. Never mind, on to this cycle, and the long weekend.

Ho hum

Thanks Mel, you were right. I actually posted last night but it seems that something went wrong!
Had USS on tues and have one dominant follicle on left ovary which measured 17mm so ob thought that ovulation prob about 2 days away. Got first positive OPK for this cycle yesterday (CD15) and did first insemination last night. On the down side, our donor again went to melbourne this am, gets back on sat lunchtime. Was hoping to do next insemination friday evening but will have to wait until sat afternoon.

On a different note, how many cycles of clomid have people done/are planning to do/ have been advised to do. My ob initially suggested 6 months of clomid. I think I read that if it is going to work, its most likely to in the first three cycles (but I could have got this wrong), at the same time, I see those on BB who get a BFP after a larger no. of clomid cycles. I said to DP last night that perhaps after three cycles we should at least make an appt to go and see a FS (currently just seeing regular O+G). What do others think?

Docgirl - good to hear you have a good follie and +opk. Donor better be on time, am sure all will be fine though GL. I am going to be taking clomid for 4 months - this is my second month. I too have read that if it's going to work it does within 4 months but one of the other ladies that I met in this thread got BFP on her fifth so I guess the answer will vary depending on who you ask and their circumstances. If the issue is just ovulation then I would perhaps stick it out a little longer than 3 cycles.

We are only going to have another two goes at clomid because DH's swimmers are plentiful but not many of them are that healthy so we will be referred to IVF if we are not pg within the next few months. OB has ordered repeat of test for DH just to make sure. I may also have to go and have a laproscopy done (& probably a stack more)....if we get to the IVF stage. I'm still digesting that info so I'm ok about it at the moment, I just trust my doc so much I really feel he's doing the best thing for us. I feel so much better after speaking to him - he's worth the wait. Did get some good news in that my progesterone level was 64 so that detected good strong O.

Mel - GL this cycle!

DH and I still going to give it every shot for the next few months. We've fallen pg naturally twice before & ob actuallly commented that it's usually when you're in the middle of something bigger that you fall pg and wonder what you were worried about.

Sorry this is such a long self absorbed email but I just needed to get that off my chest.

:bluedust::stickyvibesgirl:

Hi everyone,
I also have POS,
I fell pregnant with my daughter Britney on clomid 1 tablet a day 1st month.
Joshuah my son took longer 22months, 8months on clomid 4 tablets a day.
I fell pregnant last year on metaformin (know one told me I could possibly ovulate while on metaformin) but I miscarried at 6.5 weeks.
I feel pregnant naturally (well almost had to take drugs to bring on period)this February and I'm due in October, a nice surprise as we where planning to start again in a couple of months.

To all those trying Hang in there!!!!!
Best of Luck to you all!!!
Kelly

AJC, way to go with a progesterone of 64! Highest mine has ever been is 21! I think I have progesterone envy :lol:, not sure if there is such a thing!

Snoopea, thanks for sharing your experience, its good to know that it may be worth perservering!

We are also waiting on donor's swimmer test results as that may obviously make a difference to how long we stick with clomid for.

Evening all. Would love some input re. whether how much use us doing an insemination tomorrow afternoon will be. If you look at my chart you will see that I am CD17 today and had positive OPKs CD 15 and CD 16. I think I probably ovulated this morning (friday). We did an insemination on wed evening (CD15) but the donor had to then go interstate and is not back until lunchtime tomorrow (sat, CD18). Thus a second insemination would, at the earliest, be saturday afternoon. This, I think is greater than 24 hours post when I think I ovulated. I think there is therefore little chance that an insemination tomorrow would help with a BFP for this cycle. At the same time the thought of doing only one insemination in a cycle is a little scary (we usually do 2-3). Part of me thinks we have little to lose by doing it. However, if its not going to add anything then I think its better to not inconvenience the donor and I personally do not really enjoy the inseminations especially the smell of the swimmers! (sorry if TMI). Lastly, would very happy mamage that if it would help a BFP! Any thoughts???? Thanks Girldoc 1b8da8 Ovulation Charts

docgirl - I agree in that tomorrow's probably is too late. It only takes one little swimmer to meet up with that eggie, so hopefully there were some nice strong healthy ones in Wed's insemination. I think your chart looks like you O'd yesterday (I guess that will be confirmed with your temps over next few days if that's the case) so Wed's insemination was probably perfect timing. :crossfingers: for you.

Thanks AJC, we decided not to go ahead with the insemination. FF has still given me a 'good' re chance of a BFP!. Am very happy with my post O temps sa far.

Docgirl - hope the tww flies by..... :pink-babydust::bluedust:

Mel - hope you're going well and hope that's the last time you see af for around 9 months :pink-babydust::bluedust:

Am hoping I don't O early this month, I think we started bd too early last month & we were worn out before it was O time. As tempting as it is, we're trying to wait a little longer this month now that we know we have to use our swimmers wisely.

:goodluck::pink-babydust::bluedust::goodluck:

AJC - :pink-babydust: for you too. Hopefully you can use those swimmers wisly.
DrGirl72 - Crossing fingers for you too. Hoping that you got in there at the right time.

Me I'm at CD9 so bd every 36 hrs from 10 - 21, have told DH to rest up tonight.
I'm soo not a morning person so DH has to instigate the morinings.

It's wierd, I'm really relaxed about the TTC now. That first month after M/c was a doozy but it has made me all calm, I've now got proof that it can happen, the rest is up to the universe and some serious BDing. :cool:

Hi All

I am in the middle of the TWW and trying to distract myself (with some success) and trying not to overinterpret my chart/symptoms (with less success). My temps are higher and less saw tooth this month which I am trying to tell myself is prob. cause clommid is doing its job with LP/progesterone levels and prob doesn't have any bearing on the likliehood of a BFP! But its hard not to go there!

Hope everyone else is having a good day!

Docgirl - it's is soooo hard isn't it to distract yourself from the tww and to not read into things 'symptoms' too much.:hug: I found your chart and it does look good so far.
Sending you lots of :pink-babydust::bluedust::crossfingers: for you!

I didn't miss O day....big phew to that one. I am using midstream opk's this month and so far so good. Tue was quite a faint test line, Wed saw a darker line and today's test line is pretty close to the control line (although not exact match). cd16 today so was guessing anyway that it would be around the same time as last month (cd17). Lucky DH is off for a few days now. he he he....

Hi all, Hope everything is going well. :hello:

Hey everyone,

Well not much going on in our household... just waiting for the 15th May, Kim is booked in for her Lap & Dye. She had a D&C with the M/C last year in April so i guess nothing much else could be happening in there, but we'll find out about any Endo and get her tubes checked out.

Other than that we are counting down the list of things to do before we go to Malta on Jun19th. Kim is Maltese so she has to have her returning resident visa renewed before we go or she wont be allowed back in and that would suck... K-Mart had a sale recently and I got 40% off our luggage! Bargain! I have my passport, dont need a visa for Malta, tickets are paid for and work is prepared for me to go for 5 weeks even though I only started my new job there on 12th March.

Really enjoying it there, such a change from QHealth I can tell you. Private is so much different. Getting to know the patients there well I have a good rapport with them and the specialist I work for. He can be a bit moody, but as long as you keep him organised he's happy.

We sold our rental property in Melbourne and the settlement date is on 30/05/08 so thats good news, will make saving for IVF a breeze. Apart from that its just work rest and play... Went to Bribie Island yesterday to do a spot of fishing. Caught a few undersize whiting and thats about it. Ho Hum...

DrGirl 72- I hope you are going ok in your TWW the last few days are the worst

MelA - Some times when I read your posts I'm almost glad we have to do IUI rather then DTD...LOL...

AJC - I hope you and hubby paced yourselves this time!! LOL

Big fingers crossed for some BFP's this month ay girls!!!!! Take care xxx

Megan:D

I agree twomums that the TWW seems to get harder in the last few days. Yeasterday (10 DPO) my temp dropped by 0.2 and I thought it was the slippery slope towards AF. Today my temp was exactly the same as yesterday (but taken an hour earlier). Now not sure whats goin on. FF says to test tomorrow but we've decided to try and wait until at least wed as I'd rather get AF than see another BFN. My longest ever LP has been 12 days and wed will be 12 DPO. Not sure if we should wait longer than that to POAS! I very much feel that I am nor pregnant this cycle and am considering hanging out for AF rather than testing........
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Hi and :pink-babydust: to you all.

docgirl - GL and I hope your temp is back up again tomorrow. :pray:

Twomums - trip to Malta sounds great. Make sure you both relax and have a lovely time because I'm sure as soon as you get back you'll get your BFP. I agree, sometimes IUI would be 'easier' - When ob told DH and I that he recommends IVF if not pg in 2 more cycles I said to DH - oh well at least we won't have to bd when we don't really want to but 'have to'. Romance flew out of our window long ago :rolleyes:

Mel - hope all is going well for you :bluedust::pink-babydust: GL ! ! !

afm - well feeling frustrated today. I got +opk on Saturday but temp is only slowly rising. Now I am worried that taking B6 this month has affected things, or that my body is just not ready for pg yet. Have cd21 BT tomorrow so at least I'll know in a few days whether there is any hope for this cycle or not. Just don't understand why temp is rising so slowly. Ob did say that the body can build up a resistance to Clomid so my guess is that I'll be up to 100mg next month? That will be my 3rd cycle and second last before IVF/ICSI. **Sigh** no point complaining...... whatever it takes. So twomums I might see you in the IVF threads in a few months.

Good luck and sending lots of positive baby dust vibes to everyone.

Hello to everyone!

Hope you don't mind if i join in here????? I'm a new member but have been visiting these forums for a while! I have been posting in the TTC Buddies thread but i think this is where i best fit :)

Just quickly: We have been TTC for about 18months+. Had U/S and HSG in Jan -diagnosed PCOS. Currently on Metformin. I had a lap done 11/4 - remmoved a dermoid mass from left ovary did the ovarian drilling and D + C. I'm due to see the FS on Friday to more than likely commence first round of clomid.
Have been having really bad emotional ups and downs over the past week - crying over nothing - my poor DH thinks i'm going crazy, in fact sometimes I think i'm going crazy :cryinglaugh:!! So i'm rather scared if this is how i am now before even starting the clomid! I think i might start accupuncture next week?

Anyway i am loving this site and i find i spend more time on the computer now than i have ever in my life!

Looking forward to sharing the journey with you all - hoping it's a short one though! :)

Lots of positive thoughts coming to you all ;)

(Currently trying to catch up on all your individual stories while working night shift!)

xxBella

Welcome Bella - sorry to hear that you've experienced so many ups and downs with your ttc journey but it sounds like you're on track for a BFP very soon. Good luck for your appointment on Friday.

Welcome Bella :hello:
AJC - Cross fingers that your BT Comes back + for O, and that temp rise is just you body being really preapared. getting everything into place.

drGirl72 - sorry to see that AF turned up.

Twomums - Good luck on the 15th to you and kim.


Me - all i can say is AM, PM, day off! AM, PM, day off! AM, PM, day off! It's like a little song. Any hoo, I'm surrounded by newborns or friends that are pgt. the is the count is
Newborns.
2 about 2 months old.
1 born yesterday.
= 3 babies.

Pgt.
1 Sister.
5 Firends. (one of the told me on Sunday that she was Pgt. she was on the pill but one
still got through)
= 6 pgt friends

I'm happy for them, but it is getting a bit rediculous, how much more can the universe rub my nose it it. Cross finger this is my month. Also I'm planning to go to perth in June to see my sister (28 weeks pgt) I don't want to miss seeing her wil the belly.

MMMWWWAAAA! to all.
Mel

Aww Mel - sounds like you need a :hug:. I really really hope it's your turn next - I do agree with you, although you are happy for them you do start to wonder why it can't be you. :hug:

Thanks Mel A, as you noticed AF arrived this am which I guess was no surprise as I spoke to my ob yesterday to get my progesterone results and although it got a bit higher this time (peaked at 28 rather than previous high of 21) by monday it was down to 14 and he said he thought AF would be here in a day or two!. Mel A, I also am surrounded by pregnant friends at the moment. Also, at work I am surrounded by little babies which is sometimes very hard (I work in an inpatient unit for mums with mental health problems and they get admitted with their babies)... so I have some idea how it is for you....:hug:

Hope others are having a more positive time on the ttc journey. Ob has said to stay on the same dose of clomid (50mg) as I am ovulating and now have a 12 day LP. I guess I thought he may increase it to 75mg as still no BFP.

Welcome Bella, hope you won't need to be here too long.

AJC- how did you/FS decide how many rounds of clomid before IVF or similar? Its a question which DP and I are currently discussing

Twomums :goodluck: for the 15th, hope its not too stressy for either of you.

sorry about af docgirl, grrrr - don't like her at all!

Good Q - I think ob advised 4 months because with DH's not so good semen analysis he doesn't want to waste too much time. But we have fallen pg naturally twice before so he's given us 3 months (rounds 2 - 4) to do that and I guess he figures we should be pg within that time frame if the sperms are doing what they should be. We were happy with that decision too - we are just so desperate to have a bub. I know even with IVF there are no guarantees of a bub or even a pregnancy but we just feel we have to try.

Good luck, it's a hard decision - especially when it's such an expensive decision.