so I gsve up on my keeper, but have restarted with the cup and used it for the last 5? cycles.
I got one with a ring, easy to grab and the stem on my old one hurt me. I guess it wouldbe practice K, I have long fingers and put one leg on something (loo, bath, sink) and squat and makesit real easy to reach the top and my cervix so I can see if it is positioned right.
I have the same with the blood on bottom of loo but it doesn't bother me (dh hasn't commented)