i need to be told its okay.....

[mbear]

H has never, ever slept more than 3 hrs since birth.....today, he is 5 months old. Im still up 4 times a night - 15 mins a time to feed him. 2 outta those 4 times i reckon hes not hungry. The other two times, im ok with.
Last night i think was 5 times....
I cant do controlled crying...(as much as a little part of me wants too). He wakes the 3 other children up, and besides that, i cant last more than 2 mins hearing him cry. I just cant.
I am literally buggered by 4am...i dont have the patience to pat him....DH is usually out on the lounge by this stage. I have to get up at 7am to get DD#1 ready for school. So a quick breastfeed, then into bed, and thats how we've been doing things...

Today im feeling its just not right....hes waking for comfort, not milk.....do i need to go to a sleep school (as 3 girlfriends have already told me......), do i just plough on (im praying the magical 6 mth mark is going to change things around...i dunno why).
Hes great in the day - i can put him into cot wide awake, and by time i shut the door, get to the kitchen, his stirring/crying has stopped and he sometimes will sleep for 2hrs. He can self settle.....ive watched him do it. 9/10 times he will do this....
Im surviving the day. Im generally happy....i was at DD swim school today and everyone commenting on 'oh goodness, how do you do it and look so great'....mmm great ??? i dont feel so great....so is it ok what hes doing ???? I just need someone to say what i wanna hear i guess....

[MantaRay]

How exhausting! You must be doing something right though if you people are commenting on how well you look!

mbear, there might not be an easy answer to this one. Firstly, the 4 -6 month mark is often a bad sleeping time for babies. They go through such a huge development spurt at around that age, and even babies that were sleeping through often start waking multiple times in the night. Often this does settle down around the 6 -7 month mark, so hopefully it will for you too.

The thing with sleep school is that they nearly always do CIO. If you are not really comfortable with that, it could be a very stressful time for you. It also makes it harder to maintain when you get home.

You mention that you generally co-sleep after the last feed - is co-sleeping all night something that you would consider (following the safe co-sleeping guidelines of course!)? Many mums find that is a way to get more sleep during this difficult time.

Other than that, the only thing I can suggest is to wait and see if it does improve over the next month. But I know that a month probably seems like a very long time for you now!

[Cassius2]

TOTALLY OKAY!!!

some kids at night just need that little bit extra comfort i suppouse. DD used to also go to sleep really well during the day, but at night would find it difficult. we just ploughed on...with tears and fatigue and dreams of pina coladas on a deserted island LOL!

for us, (and this could be different for you guys) we found that it was the silence of nighttime that spooked her. for example DD has just gone 2, and at 10.30 SPOT ON she rouses ever so slightly...it's the usual time that we haul ourselves to bed and all goes quiet. about a year ago DH and I had the revelation that her unsettled behaviour was due to this and in a way, psychologically speaking, it made the night get ups a bit easier ITMS (and we realised that it was nothing dire or serious).

If milky juice is what it takes to get him (and you!) back to sleep at night, then i reckon just follow that lead! we did and it didnt 'ruin' DD...

[*becstar*]

Not much time but totally ok!!!! Although I know it doesn't feel it, LOL.

you are doing great and as long as you follow your heart you can't go wrong.

xxx

[~Kaz~]

My DS was very similar. I think he tended to go 3.5 to 4hourly overnight though so not quite as frequent a waker as your DS but we did have nights like you've described. He was the same during the day too - could self settle after going into his basinette/cot awake and could sometimes self settle mid-sleep and roll into the next cycle but not often. He tended to do an initial long sleep in the morning and then a series of 40mins naps all afternoon/evening. By bedtime he was usually overtired from not having a decent nap. We didn't co-sleep.

About a month ago I was tearing my hair out and seriously considering sleep school etc. I tried 'comforted crying' a couple of times during the day to try and help him extend his afternoon naps - staying with him etc. but he got very upset and I couldn't continue doing it. It wasn't working, even with me holding, rocking, singing etc he was awake and he wanted to get up.

In the last fortnight, he has just started to sleep longer both during the day and at night. I am still feeding twice a night but he is going closer to 5 hours between feeds, sometimes a bit longer and sleeping 1.5 to 3 hours for his day naps too. I have no idea why - I'm not doing anything differently to when he was younger except that he is older now. For him, 7 months was the turning point.

I know how hard it is to be in that place where you're trying to decide what the best thing to do is. You want to do the best thing for him, but also for your other kids, DH and of course yourself! Sometimes what's best for one family member isn't always best for others. I used to swing between thinking that he'd sleep longer in his own time and that if he needed comforting at night that was ok (his needs come before mine etc) to thinking "what if he's struggling to learn how to sleep/nap and he needs my help?" and thinking that I couldn't cope for too much longer with the broken sleep. It's really tough to know what to do. In the end I just kept getting him when he woke during the day and feeding him back to sleep at night. Now that we seem to be out the other side and I can see definite improvement, I'm really glad I waited him out and let him do it in his own time.

Just trust your instincts hun. You're an awesome mum and sound like you're doing a great job. Based on my experience (and I am probably biased!) I think you're doing the right thing. As long as you feel you're coping with the broken sleep and the demands on you during the day with your other kids that is. He will get there eventually. I hope it's sooner rather than later. xx

ETA - I found No Cry Sleep Solution, Sleeping Like a Baby and The Wonder Weeks books great for ideas and information.

[M22]

big hugs,
maybe try a soft toy etc?? so have the toy with you whne you feed and jsut put it in his bed and leave it with him if you kleave the room etc

this worked my my son

[BellyBelly]

It feels like forever at the time... but know it will end. My first was a terrible sleeper (well I guess she was just her, I was terrible at coping with it!!) but she'd sleep for 20-40 mins during the day, in my arms... day sleeps stopped at 12 months. Night was bad too, but cosleeping saved my sanity, it was the easiest way for me to deal with it on very little sleep, and it's a very natural thing to do anyway... just know this... my two kids are the BEST sleepers now. They sleep for 11 hours overnight without waking and have done for a while. Controlled crying will just break your soul, when you're already tired and stressed, hearing your bubba cry for you will make things worse and it teaches your bubba learned helplessness, cos crying for help doesn't make help come.

Get some good books - makes a huge difference when science backs up what's going on and how you feel. Also I find around 5-6 months is VERY fussy, they are going through major changes developmentally, close to crawling etc... its notoriously a growth/fussy time!

Check out What Every Parent Needs to Know (formerly The Science of Parenting), The Wonder Weeks and Pinky McKays Sleeping Like a Baby. Good luck!!!

[onthefly]

I remember my DH exclaiming in exasperation one night "But he just wants company!"

We did the up-down all night hell for a while, then changed the rules - ie, forgot about the cot. If co-sleeping works for part of the night, maybe it'd work for the whole night. And it doesn't have to be a permanent thing - You may find that once he's happier and sleeping better for a while, you can try again to move him out.

They go through phases and things like separation anxiety can mean they just can't sleep on their own and yes, they need comfort during the night. Having to get up to them and then back to your own bed only makes things harder on you - sometimes rather than trying to 'fix' our babies, changing our circumstances around them works better.

The other book I'd recommend is The No-Cry Sleep Solution.

[mbear]

MR - i didnt know that about sleep schools...well, there defn out then. Thanks.

He is still in our room (although its more mine and H's room now...DH is often out on the lounge !!!). His cot is at the foot of our bed, so i dont have far to travel......i have tried him in with me....and it worked when he was very little, but now, he wriggles and moves and it does my head in, so once ive finished feeding him, i move him back into his cot.

with tears and fatigue and dreams of pina coladas on a deserted island LOL!

..oh stop it...you mean theres a world outside these 4 walls of mine with pina coladas ???sounds bliss. I will get there......one day..

Those books sound great. I think above all what im looking for is reassurance....and if some of those authors can provide it....well yeah, its worth looking into....

[mbear]

Sometimes what's best for one family member isn't always best for others. I

...OMG...so true.

Kaz thank u for your post....i could relate to a lot of what you were saying.....

[BellyBelly]

Margot Sunderland has based her book on something ridiculous like 600 studies. So you not only get reassurance about the job you're doing, but science overwhelmingly proves it for you too. I found the explainations on how the brain works and how we interact with them at an early age can affect that to be really motivating too.

[Junglemum]

Those books always help me when i'm feeling tired and over it. I'm still getting up about 3 times a night. Sometimes 2 but other times 4. Just reading back over a bit of 'the science of parenting' is enough for me to know my sleep deprivation is worth it. My first DD sleeps 12 hours solid and never wakes up, looking forward to when #2 is doing that! But take comfort in the fact you are not alone. I try to co-sleep but we both seem to get less sleep. Guess it's not for everyone, i wish it was!

[~Kim~]

Hey mbear hang in there mate. In the scheme of H's life it's but a whisper....says she who still gets up sometimes 45minutely....I just know how crap you feel, and how frustrated.

[Heaven]

I thought I had the worst sleeper in history and it was my fault bc she always needs to be rocked or fed to sleep and she never self settled. I tried lots of different things and was at the end of my rope!! I finally took the advice from the trusty BB girls and gave up!! That's the only thing that worked. I just stopped trying to change her and did what she wanted and what worked. And I have seen massive improvements!! It really is just a phase and we are coming out the end of it now! Hang in there