Thanks again for all the replies!
Hmmm if I was to try everything I'd have one funky ****tail happening on my lip Carmex, ice cube, vodka, urine, alcohol and a tea bag all while rubbing my big toe what a site!

I'm happy to try just about anything.

Thanks for looking up ref books about the lysine LULU I have used it before and it is good but just got a bit confused at the some say yes some say no while pg