Pregnancy after LT TTC #14

ah thanks Brunette - just got a bit worried haven't seen her on here in a while.

brunette - i had Ash right on christmas last year so it was a terrible time to have BF issues. I used the consultant for about 2 weeks and she helped bub attach and get established and was so helpful and kind and encouraging. I found some of the midwives talked to me like I was a fool for not helping him latch etc

it's nice have a 2nd one as i already know things I'll do different like not letting anyone trying to 'force' my baby onto the boob straight after birth and doing LOTS more skin to skin to get attachment happening itself. At the end of the day, a baby has got to do it themselves no matter how much you try to make them!

oh the vision of hindsight! don't you hate that. i always have my best comebacks 30 mins after the offence took place lol

omg Airline, i felt tired just reading your post let alone having to live it! hope you get some space soon and lots of rest!!

ck - we did a lot of that stuff with our pooch with DS and it turned out she really couldn't care less about him. but she is a ball obsessed dog and we came home just before christmas so had lots of visitors for several weeks post birth and all of them spoilt here and took her for walks. Now she just goes up and licks bub's face, like "hey there cutie'' and keeps going. And when he occasionally gets her ball i just tlel her to get it off him and she reasonably nicely snatches from his hand.. moments before it was going into the mouth lol. It was such a great relief cos cookie monster was our baby and she does't get along well with other dogs. But they are pack animals and so long as you play by the rules it should be good.

maggie pie - i likey what juniper said re white lie/big lie. def dont' want to cause a rift. my mum STILL goes on that my aunty stole her boy's name arggh 29 and 28 years after my cousin and brother were born!!!!

Hi girls,

Thanks grub, brunette, chrissy and juniper for your name dilemma advice. I will discuss with my BIL. Sure that it won't turn into WW3!

Worrywart, hows the stats study? I hated stats at uni! P values and T values, ahhh! No wonder you were on bellybelly. Sorry not trying to insult you if you do really like it!

Chrissie - great dog info, might have to try with the dog even though she is used to the other kids don't know if she has ever been around a baby, she is a pound puppy.

Grub - great point about the BF thing. When I had DS he had a feed after he was born (which apparently then can last them for 24hours). So I wasn't too worried about him being sleepy the rest of the day and not wanting to feed. Then just before I went to bed the midwife told me I had to wake him every three hours, undress him and wash him with a cold cloth to wake him up and make sure he fed! So then I didn't believe in myself and spent all night trying to feed him and feeling like a failure. One midwife even came up and just started trying to express some milk (yes like a cow) and she was really rough and it hurt. Then she forced the milk into his mouth with a syringe while he was still asleep. In the morning another midwife came in and I was in tears and she asked me what was wrong and I was like 'he won't wake up to feed' and she said 'do you feed every three hours? Just let him sleep he is tired and will wake up when hungry'!!!!!
My point to this story is that all midwives do things really differently and I don't think there is a policy, alot is just personal preference etc. This time I will go on the theme 'mum knows best' and just do what I feel is right. And definately not letting anyone near my nipples again! I think we are in such a vulerable place after giving birth, but if something doesn't feel right don't be afraid to speak up and question the staff. I guess it has taken 2 babies for me to work this out but I hope that I can help some of you to know that the saying 'mum knows best' is the truest saying in the world!!!

AFM - DH home today, had busy day looking after a friends kids. Like having two sets of twins really, so was quite busy. Even did swimming lessons! Cold gone into chest and coughing heaps, poor pelvic floor getting tired... Nephew is coming for a sleepover tomorrow night and staying all day Wed so a few more busy nights coming up...

well girls tried to do lots of persies...but eyes are tired, so starting on this page and gonna try and keep on top of it more.
Maggiepie...wow, 2x twins effectively would have been exhausting!! Poor you with chesty cold...nasty. Hope you feel better soon, but with your nephew coming seems unlikely you'll be recouperating any time soon!!

grub how are you? you did persies but no afm bit. Hope all good. Your pooch sounds cute as! Our girl is less ball mad (unless she gets a treat on returning it) more food mad, so will have to keep an eye on how fast the wee one works out 'if I drop food, Miss D will hoover it up!'.....

thank you to whoever posted the info on dogs and bubs...will read more carefully tomorrow.

Guests have gone, elderly friend back home, DH back to work tomorrow. I am trying to spend rest of week balancing chilling out and doing some chores and seeing some friends.

hope everyone else well xx

Hi Girls

I hope you are all doing nicely and that your belly are cooking along as well.

Question for Brunette: When did you start getting really bad stretching pains??? I having been getting slight pains for the past week or so, but in the past couple of days I've noticed the pain is more pronounced and by about 4.30pm I have to rest or else I'm double over with them. I didn't really get uncomfortable pains with DD until I was about 17 weeks pregnant but this time around it is happening so much sooner. Sorry to bug you but there is no Twin pregnancy forum for me to ask others about it...

Howdy girls! Im behind again :(
Had my scan yesterday, it was awesome. Confirmed its a boy!
Im still sick so that sux but i have finished work! YAY for me.

We must have a couple of ladies getting close to Due dates...??? Havent seen the list in a while so im not sure!

Hi everyone. Huge Congrats for being in here. I haven't got time to read all your posts or get into being a constant visitor here, but I had a quick sticky and one thing I read, I wanted to comment on. I can't remember who it was that spoke about the epidural and needle phobia, but I want to give you a good story from a needle-phobic, epidural phobic (to the point where for my DH in particular, it was known as the "e word", due to him having to assist doctors in a warzone in Africa. Pretty yuck. His fear was what put us both off really trying to get pg for a number of years and I finally had to take the bull by the horns and just do it (hahaha). I knew I was having a c-section, due to Jazzy being breech all the way, so there was that dreaded epidural....can you believe it? Honestly though, you hear a lot of horrible stories, and mine was fantastic. I let the team know to expect me to go into shock, so they prepared the hottest yummy blankets and talked me through every step of the way. I meditated and sang my "sunshine song" in my head the whole way through to calm myself and stay still and they said I was so calm, they thought I'd passed out....blissed out is more like it. I was about to meet my baby, I was over-coming my fear, I was on my own (as DH wasn't allowed in) and I absolutely kicked arse and poor DH has never been prouder:) If you are not too over-weight, I think it's easier to place the needle, but even so if you know to expect that they might have to try a few times to get it in the right position, you are stronger and less likely to get upset. If you get sick from the drugs, (which I knew might happen), you tell them straight away and they shoot some other drug into you that quickly subsides the nausea. I never would have thought I'd be flying the flag for the much-feared epidural and caesarian, but I wouldn't have it any other way and I would do it all again if I had to.

P.S there is so much ego that goes into those decisions of whether to cloth or not to cloth, BF or not to BF and all those things we think we know about ourselves, but you will not know yourself until they put that baby in your arms. Then you will do every single thing you thought you would never do and if no one gets hurt, it really doesn't matter. Ilove to save the planet as much as the next person, but there are days when you are up to elbows in explosive number 3s and you will empty the entire wipes cleaning up one nappy and they are the days when you are all for the sposies cos you just refuse to rinse another nappy. Good luck lovely mums to be.xoxo

Hi Murphy, I really enjoyed reading your post. Thank you. Sounds like a lot of experience and common sense talking. I especially love the bit about having a particularly nasty no. 2 to deal with and going through all of the wipes!

CONGRATULATIONS, Jaki, on expecting a baby boy! Yay! And double yay for finishing work today!

Kelly, I'm at work today but will check my journal when I get home to see if I've written when those ligament/stretching pains started. I know that I had them pretty early on and they were, and still are, quite regular. I usually get them on my lower right side, above the pubic bone and next to my hip bone. Is this where you're getting yours?

Jaki!!!! congratulations on the news it's a wee BOY!!!! whoo hoo for you! That'll narrow the name search down ;-) I'm sorry you're still sick....I thought I was the only one with nausea that was seemingly endless but mine has virtually gone, big hugs for that one! My scan is on the 9th Nov, and I'll be 19wks 6 days so fingers crossed that bub allows a good look down below!

kellyd - not having twins as you know but i just so happened to read that part in my book (yes i have to re-read the stupid pregnancy book enough though i was preg this time last year!) and it said those pains for twins can start very early ie 6 weeks. I'm getting various shooting pains already (same as with DS) at various times and only have 1 on board and a few weeks behind you!

murph - thanks love. I really wanted to write something smarty pantz back to you... but these girlies don't know us as a couple ROFL (murph and i have been together since LTCC thread). Seriously tho, I went through a complete natural birth with only gas and and tens machine and all the ouchies that come with it JUST because the epdidural scared the pants off me! AFter DS was born, I said to DH "next time i'm having hte bleeding epidural' lol. However, now i'm thinking i'll just try winging it au natural again.... hhhhmmmmm its' amazaing how your memory of the pain etc just sort of disappears afterwards.

JAKI80 --- HUGE CONGRATULATIONS LOVE!!! Little boys are just so lovely. I'm obsessed with my boy's gorgeous little (and i mean little) bum cheeks (i know weirdo), they are so cute. mine is currently kneeling at his toy boys removing every single bleeding toy, while going "aaahiinng'' in a high pitch lol too cute!!! and if you go and put the toys back he gets reeeaaalll cranky lol. Thanks great about finishing work! lucky lady.

lol Airline - our cookie monster goes straight to the high chair and the floor around it whenever she comes inside, and she's scored a rusk or two from places that I didn't even know they were. In fact *may sound gross* i do used cookie monster as my mop after dinner lol. She cleans up all the mess and I get a clean floor... then it's just a matter of a quick steam mop every few days and we're good! nothing like lazy mummy :)

maggiepie - that sounds like you had a pretty awful time of it. there was only 1 midwife who i instantly took a dislike to and she said everythign contradictory to the others. IT was confusing cos we were told something different by every person! in the end we decided we'd listen to the one nurse who we really liked and followed her advice. BUt I remember we had skin to skin post birth and then went up to our room and cos DS was sleeping 'didn't want to wake him'. So we didn't cuddle him for ages, he didn't wake up for a feed either. After quite a few hours i ended up asking a nurse what i should do - one said leave him sleep another said feed him asap!

But this time i realise sleep is all newborns do! so this bub is getting cuddled to death and lots of skin on skin and will have free reign of boobies.

hi brunette- how are you feeling today love?
hi CK too! :)

ww - how did your stats exam go?
hi juniper and big hello to all the other loverlies here :) stay healthy :)

well it's all happening here for us. We are moving from Newcasstle to DArwin in about 23 days! So my life is crazy busy with that and caring for Ash that I can't believe it's only a few days til our big viability scan!

I have been feeling awfully nauseaus (yeah yeah kelly d, go on say it! "told you so'') and was hugging the porcelain princess at the mere sight of DS's mashed veg and steak the other night uuuugggghhhh. Poor bub just looked at me like I was crazy and daddy had to get out of his sick bed to do dinner lol.

Well better go, we are off to playgroup this morning (it's my 'wear out the child to make him sleep' plan)

Grub, I also remember you from LTTC thread days. So nice that you have no.2 cooking, congratulations! Yes Miss D had her own routine, once let in the back door,
1. straight to cat dishes to lick, 2. have a drink - that stuff is sal-ty! 3. back for a 2nd lick, who knows what you might've left 4. oh mum/dad hi! didn't see you there, yes cuddles and tummy rub please!
I am sure she will incorporate her new best friend into the equation....and we'll still be bottom of the pile, unless we have food in our hand/mouth/within 2 meter radius.

Ah nausea nausea, 9 weeks was my time....and I'm sooo worried it'll come back again in 3rd trimester. Did you have it last year too?

Thanx ladies, we were always excited to have a boy but now that it is confirmed its SUPER exciting :)

Airline i dont have a baby sickness, altho i am puking every day. I have suspected Mycoplasma. Just waiting on BT results to comfirm. Ive never been this sick for so long, and with no end in sight! Apparently it will run its course untreated in 6-8 weeks :(

Grub that is a HUGE move!!!!!!!! Good luck!

Grub: Sorry but I'm having a little chuckle to myself about your m/s, I did teel you not to wish it upon yourself but you don't listen...lol.... just wait until you have that horrid poopy nappy to change and your gag reflexes kick in big time...

Jaki: So happy you got to see someones little appendage.. I know you always knew you were having a boy but to actually see it for your own eyes makes it so much more real.

As for my stretching pains, I'm getting them from my belly button down and radiating to both my left and right hips. I thik I might be feeling it more to the sides as when I was carrying Tara I was all out front but obviously these guys need more space so I getting stretched to the sides, front and anywhere else that they can find room.

O.k, now my little bit re: epidurals, b/fing etc... As I had a c/s with Tara I knew to expect the epidural and to be honest the worst part was the local aneasthetic being put in first, it is like a bee sting and then after that you don't feel anything. As I'm not overly tall (164cm) the epidural hit almost immediately and before I was even laying back on the table my legs were completely numb. I generally get low blood pressure and as soon as I started feeling a bit woozy I just told the aneathatist and he gave me some extra medication to help with that. I do remember feeling very tired after delivery and in recovery and all I wanted to do was sleep but that is an obvious side effect from having the epidural. Now as for b/fing, I am already getting pressure to bottle feed both babies but I am really keen to give b/fing a go this time around again. I've learnt from the first time to trust my instincts and do what I feel is best. With Tara after delivery she knew exactly what to do, but then every 3 hours I had a midwife coming in and trying to force her onto the breast to feed. Because she wasn't happy with being made to feed she refused to breast feed, at times there were 4 people trying to force her onto the breast and she just refused all the time. Because they were concerned about her not feeding they then put her onto the bottle and as there was no work involved in feeding from the bottle (it basically just flowed down her throat) I then had no chance of getting her to attach. I expressed for 3 weeks but as Tara never feed my supply never really came in and pretty much dried up after 3 weeks. I would really like to try again this time around with some hindsight and my thinking is that if I'm going to be spending the first 6-8 weeks just feeding I might as well do it the easy way.

Anyway, better get motivated. We have had our pancakes for breakfast (Tara's favorite at the moment) so better get her dressed and maybe I should get showered and dressed as well.

Jaki - what's mycoplasma...sounds nasty!?

Kelly your BF experience sound horrid. I wonder sometimes if it would be best for the M/W's to just take a step back and see how you go on your own. After all women didnt have lactation advisers in the past. I think like you said instinct should play a huge part.

Airline it is some kind of bacterial infection. It makes you cough and have all that yukky flu stuff for 6-8 weeks! I saw a Dr last week who said i had the flu and waisted my time on some pills but i knew this aint no flu! Thank goodness this new Dr actually listened to me!

Jaki, mycoplasma sounds horrid. How much longer do you have to go until it passes?

Kelly, your experience with midwives forcing your 1st bub to BF sounds awful. At least you now have some experience under your belt and know what you want to do for the twins. I had a look at my PG book, and the first time I had ligament pains was week 7. I don't get them from my tummy, just lower left and lower right, usually lower right. From what Grub said it sounds like it's normal for women carrying twins to get these pains quite early.

Grub, poo to morning sickness. I was lucky to not suffer from it at all, doubly lucky considering my high hormone levels with twins I suppose. FX it leaves you at the 13-week mark if not before. Wow, you've got a big move ahead of you. The thought of all that packing is making me tired! Big change in the temperature, too. Are you looking forward to moving to Darwin?

AFM, all these horror stories of midwives forcing babies onto the boob are making me very scared. I have heard this during our antenatal classes. But I know my DH will be in my corner and has no problems in being quite forceful if needed and telling them to step back. It's when he goes home that I'm more worried about. I've got my baby shower on this Saturday which should be good. At least 20 people or more are coming over. Not really looking forward to the games as I'm not really into that sort of thing but I'm just going to smile and pretend I am so I don't offend my SIL who is organising the shower for me. An update on our last OB visit: I have minor placenta praevia, 2.5 cm away from the cervix. If it doesn't move up any further, my OB will let me go until 38 weeks if I make it that long and then schedule me for a local/spinal c/s. I don't have to have a general! So that's great news. The only downside was he mentioned the possibility of a post partum haemhorrage and if the bleeding could not be stemmed a hysterectomy would have to be done! Far out! So now I'm back to worrying about bleeding out on the table or having to have a hysterectomy!

far out brunette! that's pretty scary. but i'm sure your doc is just giving you the lay of the land ie the risks. fingers crossed. Wow it's all coming up quickly for you now eh! and have fun at your baby shower. I'm not a huge party games person but i must admit the games my friend put on for me were very funny. We all laughed our bottoms off at it. Just let the inner silly girl out! lol.

yep looking forward to the move. we are in the defence forces so it's pretty normal for us. we've been here awhile tho so it's scary to start over all over again iykwim. but i contacted a defence community centre and there's already a playgroup, craft group and coffee n chat group i'll be joining once we are there. I've really learnt its all about throwing yourself out there and not being shy... and accepting all types of people because otherwise you would never make friends.

Jaki - hope you feel better soon love. is it they wont or cant treat you ? ie letting it run its course

Kelly - i'm not talking to you miss smarty pants :o fancy laughing at someone who feels unwell! humph *sulking*

haha airline - had to laugh about your fur baby. that's what ours is like sometimes. i had both her and bub-bub watching me eat my sandwich today... well bub was watching cookie watch me eat my sandwich... he pulled her tail quite hard and the good girl just sort of licked and pushed him off :) It's funny cos he stands really close to her and squeals with delight at her.

yep i did get sick last year and very very very tired ...from memory it was week 6 (tick) to week 14. I had a few good weeks and then got swine flu (super scary when 20 weeks) and then by the time i got better I hit a whole new brick wall of lethargy and tired - you girls who are nearing or in your 3rd trimester will KNOW what i mean. It's quite amazing, one day you can stay awake past 2pm and then the next you just can't, no matter how you try!

I'm a little worried how i'm going to handle 2 under 2 but figure bridge, cross et al

re bf and mws- seriously you'll find one or two mws who you'll love and just go with their advice. I found i needed them to tell me what to do when cos for me it didn't come as naturally as i'd hoped. What? bath him! he's so small! he didn't do anything! aarrgghhh! And at the end of the day, it's your baby, your body so you set the rules... hahahaa let's just see what happens in 9 month's time to Mrs "i'm so confident in what i'm doing''!!!!!

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Brunette, holy crapoly that sounds scary! Im sure you'll be fine tho :) At least you get to be awake! Yay.
Baby shower sounds so exciting! Im really looking forward to mine... all 4 of them!

Grub your attitude to all this moving is great. I really admire that.

They wont treat me due to being preggo, he did give me liquid codine for the coughing tho so im off my head alot, lol.
I have been coughing for almost a month so hopefully it will pass soon. However my more severe symptoms have only been going for 2 weeks so god only knows.
My Dr was funny he said 'well your either going to get better or die'. Makes sense if you think about it. lol