at first i though i though it was a bit slow too and felt left out,coz some ladies on here were saying 16 weeks, etc, but yeah my ob said 20+ weeks with ya 1st.. boy was he pretty correct lol the exact day of 20 weeks bub wouldnt stop, since then been full on, then 21, or maybe 21 and half, DF could feel, but had to put hand on firmly, now in 23 weeks tomorrow, just only touch and u can feel.. its such a wonderful feeling

i did feel tickles every now n then from about 18 weeks tho