Meredith - thank you, thank you, thank you. My email is in my profile and I am more than happy to swap numbers to chat with you. Send me a mobile number (if you like) so I can SMS and not disturb Logan unnecessarily.

I knew you had alot of pressure from outside sources re: going the c-section option and I am feeling the same pressure. My MIL just wanted to check there was no issue with the cord (no more than usual at this stage). My mother is still a little worried (from her tone) but knows better than to question at this stage (I might bite her head off!!!!) Even the supposed educated staff I work with are all fearful of breech from the 2000 study with significant flaws. The mention of ECV was enough to have them give me *looks*. I think they think I am mad.

The ECV was not too bad. My OB averages more than one per week so he is more than experienced in turning the little dears - if they will turn. It seems they either turn easily or not turn at all ... and I have the latter!! Poor little love has his head stuck under the placenta and ribs. We need to check if this will be a delivery issue too.

My desire for a natural birth is mainly related to the recovery and the time to our next conception. I am getting older and it pushes me towards subsequent c-sections if the births are close together, not to mention my difficulties in conceiving anyway. It is this concern that *people* just don't seem to understand. I want to get pregnant again and not have to consider waiting for a designated time to allow for uterine healing. I also have issues related to Caitlyn's birth and I don't want my only experience to be the birthing of a dead baby - but that is a WHOLE other discussion

We have an appointment this afternoon to talk to the new OB to try to nut out the options. My current OB would do it but is not supported by the hospital policy. He discussed with us the non intervention approach to breech - no induction (yay - I don't want one anyway), no augmentation (double yay) and the benefits of spontaneous labour even if I need a c-section. The private OB will do breech delivery in the same hospital with all the back up on hand 24/7 if needed. Unlike your original OB mine has been a gem and refused to refer me to anyone who is c-section happy. ECV was my last resort and the acupuncture / moxa / positions didn't help. I wish he was supported to deliver but at least I am not out of the running yet.

Did the episiotomy take long to heal?? And how was your recovery?? I guess that is one of my concerns. I wasn't really wanting one but it may be a compromise I need to make for a vaginal breech delivery. What position were you encouraged to be in for delivery?? I think it is the mental preparation I need the support for to make me informed, aware and not fight the essentials.

Thank you again for making contact I hope to get an email from you soon so I can chat further - assuming this afternoon has a positive outcome .......