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  1. #1
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    Jan 2006
    Melbourne
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    Its a bit off topic but if you google Jane Elliot's "blue eyes brown eyes" experiment you will find out about a primary teacher in the 1960s who was appalled at Martin Luther King's assaination and decided to teach her class about the effects of racism. She has the brown eyed kids discriminate against the blue eyed ones. This is from Wikipedia

    Whether she planned the exercise previous to April 5, 1968 or not, on that day she implemented the exercise (also called an ?experiment?) for the first time. Steven Armstrong was the first child to arrive to Elliot?s classroom on that day, asking why King was murdered the day before. After the rest of the class arrived, Elliot asked them what they knew about Negros. The children responded with various racial stereotypes such as Negros were dumb or could not hold jobs. She then asked these children if they would like to find out what it was like to be a Negro child and they agreed.[2]

    On that day, a Tuesday, she decided to make the blue-eyed children the superior first, giving them extra privileges like second helpings at lunch, access to the new jungle gym and five minutes extra at recess.[2] She would not allow blue-eyed and brown-eyed children to drink from the same water fountain.[4] She would offer them praise for being hard-working and intelligent. The ?brownies? on the other hand, would be disparaged. She even made the brown-eyed children wear ribbons around their neck.[2]

    At first, there was resistance to the idea that brown-eyed children were not the equals of blue-eyed children. To counter this, she used a pseudo-scientific explanation for her actions by stating that the melanin responsible for making brown-eyed children? also was linked to intelligence and ability, therefore the ?brownies? pigmentation would result in lack of these qualities.[2] Shortly thereafter, this initial resistance fell away. Those who were deemed ?superior? became arrogant, bossy and otherwise unpleasant to their ?inferior? classmates. Their grades also improved, doing mathematical and reading tasks that seemed outside their ability before. The ?inferior? classmates also transformed ? into timid and subservient children, including those who had previously been dominant in the class. These children?s academic performance suffered, even with tasks that had been simple before.[4]

    The following day, Elliott reversed the exercise, making the brown-eyed children superior. While the brown-eyed children did taunt the blue-eyed in ways similar to what had occurred the previous day, Elliott reports it was much less intense. At 2:30 on that Wednesday, Elliott told the blue-eyed children to take off their collars and the children cried and hugged each other. To reflect on the experience, she had the children write letters to Coretta Scott King and write compositions about the experience.[2]

    This exercise changed her life, both as a teacher and personally. Her reflections on what she had witnessed would influence how she would approach race relations and teaching. ?She had not told her pupils to treat each other differently, only that they were different; and yet they developed the characteristic responses of discrimination. Jane Elliott felt that they did this because they had already absorbed discriminatory behavior from their parents and other adults.?[4] Their willingness to accept the inferiority of a group of people was no small part due to the fact that children believe what adults, including teachers, tell them and follow their example. However, the brown-eyed students who had experienced discrimination on the previous Friday, seemed to modify their behavior when it was their turn to be ?superior? on Monday. While they did exhibit some of the same discriminatory behaviors, they were much less intense supposedly because they already knew what it was like.[2] The exercise seemed to suggest that black underachievement was a product of ?white-dominated constructions of reality?. [1] She believes that what has been taught in schools (1968 to the present) conditions students that whiteness is the objective. Schools teach virtually nothing of what people of color have contributed to humankind while most people would have little trouble naming 10 white males who have done so. ?That?s called racism, people,? according to Elliott, as she believes it is racism to deny or ignore what other people contribute. Elliott believes that teachers perpetuate racism by how they interact with their students. Teachers will call on white boys first, then white girls. They also establish a hierarchy based on who they pay attention to, where students are seated and how groups are formed.[3]
    You can buy the video/DVD from ABC shops if you are interested in showing your kids....

  2. #2
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    Apr 2009
    in the garden
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    Thats interesting, thanks Rory.
    I vaguely recall hearing of this before... I might have a look for that DVD.

    TD when are you likely to hear back from the school?

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    Dec 2006
    In the Angelic Realm
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    I've read about this Rory, so thanks. I was told about it this morning when i was discussing it with a fellow colleague at work. Very interesting indeed research indeed.

    Krys - Even if DS did switch topics from discrimination and its meaning to muslim-jew r'ship without me noticing, i still find it odd that he knew what he knew and that he was taught this at school in RE.

    But that is so cute Krys - tacos

    Hopefully today jasp, but they are slack. I will call them again in the morning if i don't hear from them today.

  4. #4
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    Feb 2009
    Central Coast NSW
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    Perhaps the teacher didn't bring it up. You can't control what kids are taught in their own homes - one of the kids could have said "jews hate muslims" and the teacher may have responded even with something like "in some parts of the world it is sad that there have been fights because of jews hating muslims or muslims hating jews but that is not the way it should be - we are all equal" KWIM.

    Just saying it might not have MEANT to be racist - my parents were always very open with me from a very young age about what racism is (including what was happening in Rwanda at the time) and how I might come across discrimination against certain races (yes they gave specifics) and how it was not on and God was impartial. It was just as well as from Kindy there were derogatory terms etc used by certain classmates against those of certain backgrounds - racism is one of those things which is usually picked up on from parents so kids will reflect it from a VERY young age if they've been exposed. Guess it's a bit off point because that's home education which obviously you teach your kids yourself and don't want teachers doing for you - but just saying, perhaps the teacher had good intentions?

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    Dec 2006
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    Perhaps the teacher didn't bring it up. You can't control what kids are taught in their own homes - one of the kids could have said "jews hate muslims" and the teacher may have responded even with something like "in some parts of the world it is sad that there have been fights because of jews hating muslims or muslims hating jews but that is not the way it should be - we are all equal" KWIM.
    I really find it hard to comprehend that kids that age would be speaking about world politics to one another in the playground.

    He specifically said that his teacher said that to him and the class.

    DS came home from school today and i grilled him. I asked if he was pulled up by any teacher asking him about the complaint i had made today. The school's psych had asked him if he believed what he had heard from the teacher, that the jews hate the muslims and vice versa and DS replied that no he didn't it. No he didn't because mummy explained to him that there are the good and bad in all races and religions and not to stereotype. He was also asked which teacher told the class this.

    i haven't heard from the school as yet, but i will call in the morning.

    My DH tells me to get over it and that i was taking it overboard

  6. #6
    kirsty_lee Guest

    Wow, your son's school has a psych on board? That is bloody awesome!

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    Oct 2007
    Middle Victoria
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    In my memory, I still recall my prep teacher telling me that the kids in Ethiopia get big tummys because they don't have enough to eat, and if they still don't get enough food then their tummy's pop and the kid dies.

    I went home and told Mum, who said i must have got it mixed up, but one part of my brain still reckons it happens.

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    Dec 2006
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    Kate - see, just what i mean. You have learnt something in prep and still remember to this day. I'm just afraid that DS will take this in and remember until he becomes an adult and doesn't want to interact with Jews.

    My DS is a funny character as he also has a social problem too, not being able to make new friends etc, believes in EVERYTHING, doesn't really get it when he is picked on (he thinks the kids are tyring to be his friend).

    Kirsty - yeah the school has a psych a good for nothing lady. I question what she does. My DS is in a year above his normal grade and has socialising probs. I would have thought that she'd help us on this one. I have asked her numerous times to speak to him when she does see him in the yard and to ask him if he's having any probs as DS doesn't tell us much as to what may be bothering him. Don't think she's asked ever.

    Still waiting for a phone call....

  9. #9
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    Feb 2009
    Central Coast NSW
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    The school's psych had asked him if he believed what he had heard from the teacher, that the jews hate the muslims and vice versa and DS replied that no he didn't it. No he didn't because mummy explained to him that there are the good and bad in all races and religions and not to stereotype.

    My DH tells me to get over it and that i was taking it overboard
    I don't think you're taking it overboard by following it up - because if the teacher has those beliefs and was trying to impart them - then you are looking out for the welfare of his other classmates whose parents may not have imparted the values you have and could be influenced into cultivating a prejudice themselves based on what this teacher said. And if it was a case of the teacher just misguidedly and inappropriately trying to explain existing prejudices as part of say teaching tolerance of other religions etc - than at least the school will council the teacher on being more careful in what he says realizing he is talking to little kids so it doesn't happen again.

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    Dec 2006
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    I just phoned the school wanting an update to the matter and i spoke to the Librarian, who answered the phone as she was helping out the office people. So i had to briefly explain the situation to her and she said...

    "So you have a problem with your son learning this?"

    WTF.

    I said "Yes i do"

    I couldn't believe it. I sent an email with the comment i got from the librarian, wanting somebody to call me back urgently regarding this matter.

  11. #11
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    Oct 2007
    Perth,WA
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    Good on you I say for going to the lengths to find out what's actually being taught.

    My son has a Jewish surname (as do I, but I married it) and i would hate for someone to think they had to 'hate' him or not be his friend at school because of it IYKWIM. We are not even slightly jewish, just carry a name.

    I don't have a clue about Muslim or Jewish religion, but think it's great that you are trying to stop a teacher from using religious hatred to teach discrimination.

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    Nov 2008
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    I just phoned the school wanting an update to the matter and i spoke to the Librarian, who answered the phone as she was helping out the office people. So i had to briefly explain the situation to her and she said...

    "So you have a problem with your son learning this?"

    WTF.

    I said "Yes i do"

    I couldn't believe it. I sent an email with the comment i got from the librarian, wanting somebody to call me back urgently regarding this matter.
    Far out! I'm sure that instilled you with a whole lot of faith in getting a resolution, not. There are so many other ways to explain racism/discrimination in an age appropriate way. Just like you don't explain violence to a group of 7 year olds by talking about rape.