Long-term TTC & Assisted Conception - Oct/Nov 2009

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I'm so sorry to hear that you are feeling blue and big hugs to you :hug:. Don't apologise at all for posting how you are feeling... you have every right to be upset. We are all here celebrate the good news and offer support to one another when the news is not so good :grouphug:. It is a daunting thought to think about the possibility of not having anything to transfer or freeze after coming so far. Try to keep positive and 2 x 7 cell embies is good.... there is still time for the others to catch up by Monday. I know it is easier said than done though.. I'll be :pray:'ing that they all make the grade for you and that you will have a fantastic one to transfer and good ones to freeze as well. Thinking of you and hoping that it will be 3rd time lucky, lol.

Afternoon all,

Sorry no personals. Am feeling rather upset, have had a cry and just dont know what to do. I need to vent a little.

So,DH and I travelled bright and early this morning for my first US and 3rd BT. All was ok good with that, just had to wait for my "official" results phone call. Noted at the US that the follicles they did measure were quite small with the largest being approx 10mm :(.

Anyway, got the call from the nurse. She let me know that she had spoken with my FS who wants to push on with this cycle (gee sounds promising..... not). He has asked that I keep taking the 450IU of Puregon and the 10units Lucrin each day and I need to go back in on Tuesday for a BT but no US this time hmmmmm. Nurse also told me that my Estrogen levels had increased slightly (Tues was 143 and today it was at 360) but still down on where they would really like them to be at. Nurse also told me that my uterus lining is at 6mm so all good there and that I have 9 follies however all were smaller than 10mm :(:rolleyes: She also said that she was waiting for FS to look at my FSH levels from the BT. Not sure what she meant by that but Im sure it didnt matter.

To say im disapointed with those results is an understatement. I have a feeling that were headed down the same path as cycle number 1 and that is cancellation due to poor performance. Im sorry If Im affending anyone but this just isnt fair. Why am I not responding to my Puregon shots. Thats one thing I just need to know is why? Is there something else medically wrong with me that we have missed and I need to have it looked into. Not to mention, If we were to stop IVF and try naturally, what complications would we have then??? I thought IVF was to help, not hinder. Its just not fair.

Havent mentioned to DH yet but am seriously thinking of cancelling and giving up (I know this is only number 2 but can you blame me when it all seems to be tracking in the exact same way. I have even gone for Accupuncture for this session and I am of the opinion at the moment that I dont think it did diddly squat for me). I dont know that I can keep going knowing the information I know from my failed first cycle and what it is im being told now. I feel like I already know where this is headed and Its just not fair at all.

Sorry for the very big me post. I just dont get it at all now. WHY body, Why are you doing this to me!!!!!

motherhoodhereIcome- ((hugs)) to you hun and vent away. I am sorry your feeling so bad about your results and understand perfectly where your coming from. Dont throw in the towel just yet ((hugs))

airline- your little embies are still going, try to keep positive about that sweetie ((hugs))

Coral- awesome news for you, I hope both stick, my FS refuses to transfer 2, I have asked a few times now :(

Meg- sounds like everything is going great for you too. Sending stickyvibes

sonyalouise- so sorry mate ((hugs))

Bonny- welcome aboard and GL

AFM- I had EPU this morning, was most unpleasent the aneathatist was horrible and I got THREE eggs, I am somewhat dissapointed with that, trying to stay positive, I know we only need one good little embie *sigh*

Hey Motherhood here i come. I just want to say that I feel for you and really hope you get some positive results soon. I'm only on my first IVF/ICSI cycle and am a slow responder. Started on 150UI Puregon. First scan only showed 1 or 2 follies in one ovary with the other ovary looking a bit dead (FS's words!). :shakehead: I was absolutely gutted. Dose increased to 250 UI. Fri's scan showed only 3 follies. Sigh. Dose now 450 UI. FS said with 3 follies we still have a "fighting chance", so we've decided to keep going. I get that the first cycle can be experimental, but can't help feeling anxious and disappointed all the same. It feels like I'm on this scary rollercoaster ride and I'm just hanging on. Have got another scan on Monday and am hoping we don't have to cancel this cycle. I know it's your second go, but please try not to lose heart. Hang in there, girlfriend. Have my fingers and toes crossed for you :pray:

Mitf - So glad you are coping better this time round in your 2WW...can't wait to hear your results!! GL

Coral73 - Yay!!!! 2 great embies on board!!! Bring on Nov 3rd....GL to you tooo hon!

Loops12 - So sorry to hear again of your financial status.....I really do hope that you get to sell your tractor AND calf feeding trailer and all your worries go away!!! :pray:
In the meantime I hope it happens naturally....or maybe try another IUI??? Whatever you do, i wish you the best of luck!!

Sonyalouise - sorry about the confirmed BFN...just remember, one, two or more of us get pregnent every month..next one could be you!! I certainly understand the emotional rollercoaster we're on, so take your time and relax yourself....wine, cheese etc. :hug:

Tracy - Hope EPU went well today!!! when is your ET?

Meg76 - You go girl....anyway you look at it, its still a good number. GL in your 2WW.

Bonny - :welcome: I am sure you will find all the support you need right here...the ladies here are beautiful....also don't be too hard on yourself, you still have a while to go and by next week it will be a totally different story. GL

Airline - Don't worry tooo much ( easier said than done, i know ), as long as they're dividing into cells, they can still be viable pregnancies, with beautiful, healthy bubs...just try and relax until Monday and then let them get comfortable and stick....:pray:

Motherhood here i come - :hug: try and keep positive, have you spoken to a councillor?
I don't know what else to say, thinking of you!

TRACY - sorry to read about your 3 eggs...but on the other hand YOU HAVE 3 EGGS!! :dance: yaaaayyy!!!

AFM - waiting for the time to pass....come on NOVEMBER!!

Hi Ladies,

I hope everyone is off enjoying their weekend rather than sitting here obsessing like I am...

For those who have been down this path before I have a question- I've had a bit of crampy-pain on and off since ET on Friday varying from a stitch-like pain similar to when you can feel yourself ovulating to vague period-type pain. Does anyone know if this is normal? I'll call the FS tomorrow morning but would love your input before then!

Sorry for the me post. Hope you're all well. xxx

Hi Meg,

I haven't been down the ET before however do remember reading (hope what Im saying is right) some of the others posts where they say that cramping type feeling is normal as its the embryo implanting itself into the lining. FX hey that all goes according to plan and you get a BFP!!!

Just a quick "me" post sorry girls

Just had to share of my three eggs two have fertilised we are still in the game. OMG I have made myself sick thinking they would tell me none had taken. Its such massive weight off my shoulders.

I know we are not in the clear just yet, but its one major hurdle crossed. All going well ET will be Tuesday

Hi ladies,
I hope you all had a great weekend and are ready to face the week ahead.

Airline-I am thinking of you I hope you get some good news tomorrow and that your weekend hasn?t been too tough.

Motherhood- I am so sorry that things have not gone your way in this cycle. I know it is daunting, frustrating and depressing to go through all this and not get the results. Don?t give up hope! When I went in for my EPU I met a woman who only ever gets one egg per ivf stim cycle! She has a. two year old ivf child and is back for second. She was on her fourth EPU for this round. I know it is not what you really want hear in terms of results of stim cycles, but I guess what I am trying to say is there is always a chance if you even have one egg. I have a friend who had 18 eggs frozen and only one was viable, as a result she now has a three year old daughter.

Tracey- My fingers are crossed for you, I hope you get a really good embie. Great news that 2 fertilised!

Bonny- welcome to the thread, I hope that increase of meds does the trick for you.

Emerald- Not long to go now, November is just around the corner.

Meg76- Cramping is definitely normal. If you are also on crinone that also causes cramping.

Coral- Wow it all sounds so promising, good luck with the TWW

AFM- I have changed my mind yet again. I had a terrible day yesterday, my poor DH had to put up with a very moody irritated wife. Today however I am a different person, talked to the nurse and decided to go straight into an un-medicated FET. The down reg process is so long that I can?t quite believe that I could be back in the TWW within three weeks. Now I just have to wait for AF??.

Meg76 - I have to agree with MHIC, I had that sharp stab feeling with my first IVF and i was pregnant!! (although it didn't stick properly). I would have to take a good guess and say its that little embie trying to get comfortable and stick!! Relax and let it do its thing! GL FX for you.

Tracy - so glad to hear your happier!! Tuesday is around the corner...all will be excellent.

Sonyalouise - good girl...hang in there. I will hopefully be stimming when you are in your 2ww! Hope it all goes well for you and we all get our BFP!!!!

sonyalouise and all the other girls - just have to have a little whinge about our DH's and DP's....as far as i am concerned and in my humble opinion, Dh's and DP's should put up with all the moaning, groaning, whinging, crying and anything else we dish out at them. :lol:. we are the ones who are suffering, mentally and physically, all those jabs, running off to appointments, etc and not to mention cooking, cleaning, working, socialising (yeah right) and all they have to do is go out of their way one day and spit into a jar! :bluesperm: (wow) All i have to say is that they should just suck it up!!! :cool:
(p.s. hope i didn't offend anyone) :grouphug:

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sonyalouise and all the other girls - just have to have a little whinge about our DH's and DP's....as far as i am concerned and in my humble opinion, Dh's and DP's should put up with all the moaning, groaning, whinging, crying and anything else we dish out at them. :lol:. we are the ones who are suffering, mentally and physically, all those jabs, running off to appointments, etc and not to mention cooking, cleaning, working, socialising (yeah right) and all they have to do is go out of their way one day and spit into a jar! :bluesperm: (wow) All i have to say is that they should just suck it up!!! :cool:
(p.s. hope i didn't offend anyone) :grouphug:

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I couldnt have said that better myself:lol::lol:

Tracy - i had to vent that as i always read in someones notes that DH this or "poor DH" had to put up with something, we're always worrying about how DH feels....who cares, we've got tooo much going on with us to worry about their feelings too. Again sorry about the vent, but i'm glad you understand.

Hey ladies just a quick one!

Sonya thanks for the positive thoughts. Am feeling a little better today and am now armed with a list of questions for FS. I just want to know why??? Like I said to DH I would rather know why now and do something about it now rather than just wait if you know what I mean.

As for the one egg Sonya, I totally understand however it makes it a bit hard for us. Would love one egg however we have the added pressure of PGD in that not only do we need it to be viable, we need it to fertilise and then we need it to make it to blastie stage and then on top of that, we need it to be free of DH's genetic condition and pass the PGD!!!! Dont mean to put down your positive but Im sure you see what I mean. But one egg would be fantastic. Maybe this time If need be, I will make the decision to go through with EPU instead of cancelling like last time because we only had 1 maybe 2 follies.

OMG..was in middle of typing war and peace to you all with individual persies...and pressed the wrong button..so much for bloody touch typing!!!
sorry have to go to bed so quick version

motherhood - i felt terrible having read my last post and then yours not long after. it's human nature for us to want to achieve the next goal each time, and geez we've all been biding our time...I so hope you and dh have a chat and come up with a mutual agreement about what's right for you both at this moment in time. hugs

tracy - i hope your embies continue to divide and conquer! good luck with ET, mine is monday...actually my least favourite part - it hurts me!!

sonya - glad your back on your feet again - our moods change in the blink of an eye don't they!!

coral - bless you! thank you for your post. I've not hung around here much this weekend, but reading your post helped me.

AFM - well I have to reiterate that this EPU was my worst. I've clearly been really lucky with the first two cos I've felt crap for 4 days. Today is the best I've felt and I just hope my body's happy to receive it's little treasure tomorrow at 2pm. (a moments silence will be appreciated:D) My stomach was tender, the bloating was awful, and last night at work I had to pull myself together in the toilet, cos I just wanted to take my clothes off, relieve my body of the constriction around the middle and cry..in that order. Clearly this may have alarmed people so I chose the option of biting my lip, applying my lip gloss and holding a folder over my engorged stomach region. :rolleyes:

Surprisingly, DH and I have not obsessed today even though there's been no phone call to tell us the progress. I socialised with friends all afternoon, and I'm in a good place. I just hope all the differences in this cycle mean it'll be a different outcome.

To all of you out there...who sign on looking for hope, answers, good news and support thank you. You have all contributed to my state of mind today. May babydust be carried as wide and far amongst you as posssible. Night.

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airline - GL with ET tomorrow...:stickyvibesgirl: :stickyvibesboy:

Hey Ladies,

Sorry for the long post I have not been in for a while.... but am just dropping in to say hi really and seeing how you are all doing. There is certainly some up & down emotions going on - why am I not surprised!

Motherhood - I feel for you :grouphug: I find all this hard enough with just a sperm issue in our way but to have to try and get little emby's and then they still have so much to get through to make the cut - its even more daunting - so I can understand why the numbers are even more important to you than some of the rest of us. There isn't much I can say - but hang in there and I hope it happens soon for you - it's a bloody hard road to ride - we all know that. 9 follies is still a good number and hopefully a little more time and some more drugs they will kick some butt and get them going in a growth spurt!

Emerald - I hear you with what you are saying tho it's not to say this is not hard on the guy's too. I had a bit of a discussion with my DP in bed last night about this same thing.. in that he has not had to change anything he has done, tho I mentioned ages ago that maybe he could stop drinking all together. Hard thing now is that his task (on EPU day) is less than 3 months away for us and so is there any point in him stop drinking now when they say sperm is 3 months old at time of deposit? I'm lucky I have a supportive man by my side, but it's still seems unfair some times given it's all me that has to go through it all as well as make all the changes & sacrifice.

Tracy - sorry your EPU was not very nice. It's a tough thing to go through anyhow without having personality issues from the specialist who you have to deal with. Sorry you only got 3 but at least 2 have fert & as you say you only need 1. FX they grow well and you are able to transfer 1 or 2 whichever way you want to go

Meg - Glad your Et went well. I can't remember about cramping after my 2 ETs but hope you get a good explanation from the nurses when you call. Stay well & FX for your :2ww:

Bonny - Welcome to BB! it is a great place for support & information. Hopefully you are not in this thread for long (if you know what I mean!!!)

Airline - GL for ET today I hope all your 6 have made it through but even if you lost a couple, 4 is still a good number. Hang in there and hopefully this ET is it and you don't have to worry about the others this time round anyhow. Rest well and take care of you! :shhh:

Coral - glad to hear things are going well. I can't believe FS decided to transfer 2 for you and only 1st spoke about it when your legs are in the air! That's certainly being put on the spot. You too rest well and look after yourself in these next few crucial days & FX for a BFP for you. AFM - yeah we are on next cycle I have started pill popping. It's just weird as I never speak to FS it's always the nurse and although she is very informative it just feels so "up to us" about what to do next, which I know it should be but I guess I just want some firm guidance. She is lovely and says she can not see any reason why it won't happen for us and reminds me that even for a natural pregnancy it's only a 25% chance of a woman falling pg in a month. (Never knew it was so low) And that just because it has not happened for us does not mean there is something wrong or that it won't happen it's just the odds are low and so it may take a few goes. I just don't know how many goes I or the wallet can take. :dunno:

Loops - its bloody hard isn't it when you have to consider the $$ side. As if the whole emotional side of it is not enough. I just can't believe how expensive this all is. GL with whatever you decide to do I agree do whatever causes the least stress and only you and DH can work out what is best for you both at any time. Still sending some selling vibes your way!! :goodluck:

Sonya - so sorry to hear about the neg result. :hug: It just sux bad. It's taken me a really long time to get over my last BFN and I still feel gutted about it. Tho I need to look forward to the next cycle & concentrate on good vibes. I hope you are coping OK. I think I would like to take a break too but the $$ side makes us want to fit one more stim in this year so we are only $1600 out of pocket instead of doing it first thing next year and being $2700 out of pocket (or something like that) until we reach the safety net again. Plus I just feel like this whole process is pushing out the date I get to actually have a baby, I know its not old or anything but this now means if we are pos this cycle I will be late 34 and then if we have to go again I'm going to be 35 before we could have our baby. It's just not what I had planned and meanwhile all our friends kids get older and ours will be younger growing up - you know how it is. It's just so much pressure in a way. Sorry, not sure if that is positive for you but I guess if you feel the same way you know you are not alone. GL with deciding and enjoy the wine & cheese till your next cycle!

AFM - am pill popping and started another down reg cycle. They will start me on 275 gonal (where I left of in the 1st stim cycle) so I am praying for a higher # of eggs this time - but not too high. I REALLY do not want to have to do another stim cycle again. Just the $ and the time. I think I could cope (well I guess I would have to) if we have to FET again but another stim cycle I think would really push my limit. And I know there are so many of you out there who have had to do many more than me and I guess honestly you find a way to deal with it, so sorry no offense to you as I take my hat off as it must be so emotionally draining. Anyway am waiting for my dates to be posted out so I have some idea of when things may happen.

To all I have missed :hello: and hope you are all doing well and are ready to face another week! Hope it brings some joy and good news to many of you.

Hey Nix,

Thanks for the well wishes. Am keeping my head up and think I just need to accept it and go along for the ride no matter what the journey may be.

Just want to say though, wish we were only out of pocket the same as you. Us doing the whole shebang (IVF, ICSI and PGD), even with the Medicare threshold and refund, a whole cycle will cost us out of pocket $5000 to $6000. Oh to dream hey :).

Have a good day eveyone and Ill be sure to update you tomorrow after my BT and results. FX hey!!!

That seems crazy amounts out of pocket motherhood.

I'm talking an IVF/ICSI cycle with MIVF is $5300 and as we had reached safety net we got back about $4300. Then on top of that we had the EPU which was about $800 but we have private health so they covered all but about $300. Then you have synarel $100, which was covered through private health. So not sure if I'm forgetting something but I thought we were abotu $1600 out of pocket for 1 down reg cycle with EPU and 1 x ET.

So even if you add on PGD (I don't knwo what that is and how much) I don't get why you would not get more back? Are you sure? You are saying $5k out of pocket - what are they charging for the IVF/ICSI cycle alone as a comparrison? What exactly does your $5k out of pocket include?

If we were out of pocket $5k for 1 cycle there is no way we could be going back for another.
I have ready it is more expensive in Sydney - but it should not differ that much and medicare should rebate the same across the country.

Hey girls hope your day is going well, thinking of you airline

oops hit the wrong button.

I lost the plot this morning and had to come home from work, I am so embarressed. Luckily my boss knows I am going through all this and was very understanding. Told me to take the rest of the week off.
I dont know if its the stress, the after-effects still of the drugs from EPU, the hormones or a combo of all those things. I think the worst part was however that my dh turned up there :( Quite coincidently, boss thought that was great, made me feel even more like an idiot.
I just so can't wait for all this to be OVER!!!

Hey there all,

Firstly, a Q for you all. Anyone heard that DTD more with DH etc increases estrogene levels??? Think we need to try this to increase mine :P

Nix - Im not 100% at the moment what the cost of just the IVF and ICSI would be but I know our bill all up which is IVF, ICSI and PGD before any Medicare rebate etc is $12250. Thats with a little taken out from private health insurance (before starting I looked into it and it wasn't worth paying the extra premium and waiting the 12mth waiting period, only to get back almost exactly the same amount as what the difference we would pay between the standard cover and increased cover over the waiting period time. E.g. would cost us $1300 in extra premium for the 12mth waiting period just to have ivf covered by them but would then only get back approx $1300 from health fund). Then on top of that we had to pay for the PGD work up which was $1545 and can only be claimed through tax, no rebate from medicare or health fund and then there is the cost of the Lucrin $295 which again is claimable from no one other than at tax time, provided you hit the $1500 threshold!!!
So hopefully you can see why I want to get lots and lots of eggs and sort it all out.

Spoke with the Nurse earlier and she has all my Q's written down and when she speaks with FS tomorrow about my BT results (have a BT tomorrow) will ask him. If its something we can fix, I want to fix it now and hopefully salvage this cycle. I even asked about another one before the end of the year. She said it was certainly an option but need to see what FS says. FX though that we can start straight after this one if it goes belly up again!!!! But its not going to, Im going to stay positive.

thanks tracy....ready and waiting for dh to finish in the shower and then we're off. wish us luck girls....feeling calmish. worried about the discomfort...
dh has bad cough/throat etc, may not come into the transfer room. he's gone sick, so at least we're off together tonight and tomorrow.

hope everyone else is ok. hope the rain arrives soon.

all i can do now is (pardon the phraseology) open my legs and :pray::redface::pray:

Opps just realised I didnt answer your question about what PGD is. PGD is where they go through everything the same as IVF and ICSI but then after that, have the embryo develop to a day 5 blastie then take from the blastie, about 4 or 5 cells which they then place under a microscope and do there magic and look for the specific genetic malformation they had developed the test for (thats the $1545 test). DH and I had to even give samples when first starting out so that they could Identify who is who when the time came to test the little emby. That is the simple version of what PGD involves.

If you have any more questions, am more than happy to answer them.

Oh my goodness Motherhood - that still seems so high. Even without the PGD - you are talking just 1 cycle yes? So we are comparing an IVF with ICSI cycle at MIVF is $5300 and at Sydney IVF is $12,250. I can't beleive there is so much difference. If that is all correct I feel terrible for you, I was winging about being $1600 out of pocket per stim cycle - I don't know how anyone can cope with that amount.

Is anyone else paying that kind of fee - the only other fees I have heard from other girls was about the same as mine.

Not trying to scare you MHIC - just hopeful that there is something not right there and maybe we can find a miracle that it isn't! not that I don't believe you as it sounds like you have done your homework. How do they seriously expect couples to be able to go 1 round let alone subsequent rounds at that cost?

Motherhood - I just sent you a PM!

You know what Nix, when my mother found out about those costs, she too asked the exact same question. How on earth can people afford IVF????

Nix76 nad MHIC - I am with IVF Australia in Sydney and i pay $5890 everything is included for IVF / ICSI. For EPU and ET my private health care covers everything except anaesthetist which I am out of pocket about $300. With the IVF i get back $4300 odd $'s from medicare, so by the end i'm out of pocket about about $1600.

Hi Girls,

MHIC- I agree that $12K sounds outrageous, even considering the additional process and screening. I wonder if it's worth calling around a few other clinics, even outside of Sydney to get an idea if that is reasonable? You poor things- on top of everything else to have to come up with that kind of money every time!

How are you feeling otherwise? Have you given any thought to speaking to the counsellor? I'm thinking of you and hope things start going your way really, really soon.:hug:

Tracy- I'm sorry to hear you had a bad morning but how lovely to have a boss who is that understanding! Hope the time away from work does the trick and you are nice and relaxed.

Airline- I know you've got better things to worry about right now than updating us but I'm thinking about you and hope all has gone smoothly. xxx

AFM- I hope you guys don't mind me sharing a bit of good news I had today and that it doesn't seem insensitive considering the challenges some of you are going through... I mentioned the other day that of our 8 fertilised eggs, 4 had developed perfectly (1 of which was transferred), 2 had not developed and the scientist wanted to give a bit more time to the other 2. Well, I rang today and the great news is that they made it and we have a total of 5 to freeze. I was really happy to have 3 to freeze so an extra 2 is such a bonus.

xx

Meg- that is wonderful news:) TFS

I just want to add my 2 cents for what its worth ;) Im at Concept over here in WA and we have had one round so far of IVF/ICSI all up including EPU/ET anethatists etc we paid out some $9500 and with medicare rebates ended up about $3000 out of pocket

Meg76 - Thats wonderful!!! :clap:

Tracy - wow!! Your figures are right up there too! Sometimes I wonder whos making the money here....if we are all taking the same drugs why do prices differ so much???

WOW a couple of days off here again and Im so behind.
Great to have you all here for friendship and support and Im sorry there has been some not so good news of late :grouphug:
There has been some good news too though.

Tracy, Sonyalouise, Coral and Airline and Im sure there was others too ~ thanks for your support and encouragement with my tuff decision and finances.

Sonyalouise ~ Im sorry things havent been so great for you - hang in there and all the best with your decisions, hugs.

Motherhood ~ same with you, im so sorry things havent been working out the best, your not alone and I hope you see some good things happening soon, things will turn around, just you wait.

Bonny ~ hi and welcome, you'll make some great friends here but I hope you're not in here long, meaning I hope you get your BFP straight away. Your pains could be implantation - FX they are.

Tracy ~ well done on those emby's. 3 is still good! All the best for your ET

Meg ~ well done on your emby's that is excellent news!

GL to others in TWW.
There are so many others im foretting - its so hard to keep up.

Emerald Star - thanks for your support and all the best to you with your next cycle.

AFM ~ Im going insane right now. Im at CD37, AF is normally late but today she is probably a day or 2 later than normal. Ive got tummy pains which kind of feel like AF but she is just not coming, so again im holding out a tiny bit of hope and going nuts. Im too scared to POAS - i will tommorrow though if she is still not here. This cycle has been very up and down - ive felt ill at times and thought just maybe then ive had headaches and thought nup and I did POAS about a week ago and it was BFN. My boobs have been itchy at times but not sore and no real change to them. Aarrh - this is the worst TWW to-date! :wall:

Loops12 - so happy to hear from you.....i'm hoping the late AF is a really good sign for you!! FX

Hi ladies. Thanks for making me feel very welcome :)

Had my scan today and things are looking up... have gone from 2 to 3 ok follies to 6! We were looking at EPU on Wed, but lovely FS is putting it off until Fri or Monday. Funny how shocked I am when things go ok :rolleyes:. My only worry was my FS asking if I was having any probs with my syneral. I don't know if I was doing it right to begin with. Worried I'm going to ovulate too early if that's even possible!!! :redface:

DH has just informed me that dinner's ready! Bye for now :)

Bonny- thats great news for you. I was always worried I would ovulate too early too. Grow little follies grow

Loops- FX for you, AF can be so very cruel sometimes ((hugs)) hold on to that glimmer

AFM- ET tomorrow at 9.30 WA time. Please keep your FX for me. And one of my work collegues asked my dh if I was pregnant today *sigh* I guess Im going to have to start letting a few ppl in on the secret as they are getting suspicious

Hey ladies,

Motherhood - sorry for opening the can of worms on costs - I was just really worried you were paying too much. But after seeing the right website it seems right - however I would be interested in comparrisons from other clinics. Your process is very involved & I think different to most of us so comparing what we pay to yours is probably not fair. Tracy - yours is certainly up there tho for IVF/ICSI cycle. Emerald you & I are on the same kind of fees & I agree it makes you wonder how it all works when there is such difference. Maybe that is what the new safety net was trying to achieve to discourage the higher fees - I dunno!!!

Bonny - great news re your growing follies.

Loops - that could be very exciting news - just remember our cycles get thrown around a bit with all these drugs but you have been l'natural for a couple of months now havn't you?

Meg - good news is great news!! It gives us all hope and its so nice to read to keep our spirits lifted. 5 is a great number in the freezer. Hopefully you wont' need them anyway hun - you have one on board right?

OK girls - nite for now I'm off to watch the mentalist! Sleep well all :-) xx

meg - that's great news!!!!

tracy - good luck with your transfer!!!!

loops- fingers crossed mate!!

afm - well transfer was this arvo and it went better than the first 2 ie. not nearly as much discomfort and pain. No blood either so quite happy as was doc. He was Irish, so we're going with the 'luck of the irish' this time. He also said he hopes I'm suffering with morning sickness at christmas...:lol:

Our other embies are not doing great but the old 'hopefully they'll catch up by tomorrow' and we can freeze line has been used.

Dh not well poor thing, so we came home and had a couple of hours asleep, then dinner and relaxed watching tv and now bed. More days like this to come, although working day after tomorrow. so I guess i can officially post again in the 2ww. will try and keep an eye on things in here. good luck one and all, tracy see you in 2ww thread tomorrow!

Hello hello ladies,
I find myself back in here again. Hello to the familiar names - wishes, airline, emerald star, loops - how I wish that none of us were in this thread still.

I've had a couple of months off after my last stim cycle. Went away for work and made the choice to delay the next transfer, there comes a time when you realise you can't keep putting life on hold so I took the opportunity and went over east for a week.
Feel like a TTC break has done me well mentally, but of course am still surrounded by a zillion pg announcements and babies and everything I don't have. Oh and friends who whinge about their children (don't get me started!).

Anyway this time around we're doing a HRT FET - my first one. I was pleasantly surprised on Day 1 (Friday) to be told we'll see you on Day 11 for a scan & BT. What, no BT, scans, injections etc? Wow, this is almost like a freaking holiday. Oh but wait - the fun ensues post-transfer with the dreaded P-word..... PESSARIES! Had a completely awesome conversation in the chemist when I picked them up.

Chemist: Did your Dr discuss with you about where these go? Mrs P: Well pretty much just that it's in my vagina (YES I said the word vagina in the middle of the chemist - and you know what, I didn't even CARE ha ha) Chemist: Yes that should be fine for the night time ones but the ones during the day you may want to discuss with your Dr if you can take them anally instead. Mrs P: Ok thanks I will (at this moment in time my brain was like WTF how is it possible for this TTC experience to get more unpleasant??).

Relayed the convo to DH in the car and all he could say was "Oh I thought the saying was Up the bum no babies?" - sorry if that offends but at least it made me laugh!!!

I have now written a small me-essay so will stop!!

Loops - stay away from the evil POAS - it causes nothing but pain! Ok that's a little dramatic and I'm not one to talk as so far I'm unable to avoid it. But try to!

Airline - glad your transfer went well, GL for your 2ww!

Tracy - GL with transfer!

Hi to everyone else.