Babies Born June 2006 #2

This thread is for parents who's baby was born in June 2006.

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Name: Amanda3
State: QLD
DOB: 2.6.06
Stats: Weight - 7lb 4oz (3310g), Length - 53cm, Head - 34cm
Gender: Male
Babyname: Cody Lincoln
Website: Doesn't have one
Health Concerns: None
Notes: Feeds and sleeps like a trooper
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Name: Jaspen
State: NSW
DOB: 06/06/06
Stats: Weight – 8lb (3638g); Length – 53cm; Head – 35cm
Gender: Male
Babyname: Samuel Ashton
Website: None yet
Health concerns: none thankfully
Notes: such a little guts (200g weight increase in 3 days) !!!!
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Name: Gabysmum
State: WA
DOB: 07/06/06
Stats: Weight: 9lbs 12 ozs Length: 58 cm Head: 36 cm
Gender: Male
Baby name: Alexander Ivan aka Alex
Website: None
Health Concerns: None
Notes: Big boy adored by older sister.
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Name: Neeny
State: QLD
DOB: 8.6.06
Stats: Weight - (3140g – about 6 pounds), Length – 52cm , Head – 34.5cm
Gender: Female
Babyname: Aleise Irene
Website: TBA
Health Concerns: None
Notes: sleeps too much and doesn’t eat enough in one sitting!
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Name: *Jo*
State: QLD
DOB: 09/06/06
Stats: Weight - 8lb 14oz (4020g), Length - 50.5cm, Head - 35.5cm
Gender: Female
Babyname: Freya Jean
Website: None
Health Concerns: None
Notes: Repeat elective c/s @ 38wks
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Name: Bathsheba
State: Vic
DOB: 13/06/06
Stats: Weight – 9lb 0oz (4080g); Length – 52cm; Head – 35cm
Gender: Male
Babyname: Niall Atticus
Website: (under Username)
Health concerns: none :)
Notes: Induced at 38wks due to Cholestasis of pregnancy. Birth attended by Kelly Zantey.
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Name: Dee78 (donna)
State: NSW
DOB:14.6.06
Stats: Weight - 7lb 5oz (3310g), Length - 51cm Head - 36cm
Gender: Male
Baby's name: Lachlan Roy
Website: None
Health concerns:
Notes: very unsettled, doesnt like to sleep anywhere but mum or dads chest!!
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Name: Nickel
State: NSW
DOB: 16/06/06
Stats: Weight – 6lb 6oz (2.9g); Length – 42cm; Head – big enough thanx!
Gender: Female
Babyname: Ruby Jago
Website: http://giorgiasworld.blogspot.com/
Health concerns: only after birth, but we're good now.
Notes: Breastfeeding actually works this time.
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Name: IK
State: VIC
DOB: 19/06/06
Stats: Weight 3.47kg, Length 47cms, Head Circ 34cms
Sex: Male
Babyname: Oscar William
Website: TBA
Health Concerns: None
Notes: HypnoBirth&Waterbirth, relaxed baby so far, waking to feed and
sleeping when not feeding! Co-sleeping and exclusively breastfeeding.
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Name: Our 7th Heaven
State: QLD
DOB: 19/06/06
Stats: Weight – 7lb 9oz (3.44kg); Length – 55cm; Head – 35cm
Gender: Male
Babyname:Nathan Xavier
Website: Under username
Health concerns: No all's well here
Notes: He's a natural booby boy and a right little guts.
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Name: #karen#
State: NSW
DOB: 22.6.06
Stats: Weight - 7lb 14oz (3580g), Length - 50.5cm Head - 34.5cm
Gender: Male
Babyname: Nathan John
Website: None
Health concerns: Talipes
Notes: So far, so good - feeds and sleeps well

Catch up with your old thread HERE girls.

Tanya,
Ryan used to pull the same cranky faces when being wrapped. and squirm & grizzle but once he was wrapped up he slowly settled. the bum patting also works for us!

Tanya- no i dont think you can hurt him wrapping. DH was concerned i was hurting him wrapping so tightly to but it really seems to make a difference with his night sleep.
When in syd i got my BIL to wrap him one night, he looked like a little cocoon it was very firm! but he slept great that night. last night Nixon slept from midnight - 8.30am and i think a good wrap had something to do with it. BUt Nixon is going on 3 months old so is starting to sleep better/longer during the night.

Ive just taken him to the MCHN.
He weighed 3990g ( only up 310g in 3 weeks) (if he didnt do a huge spew in the car on the way there maybe he would have hit 4kg!
Head was 37cm (up 1cm in 3 weeks)
Length 55cm (up 2cm in 3 weeks)

so i am a bit dissapointed that he has not put on more, each time we go his growth seems to slow down. I know its because he chucks so much, so Im going to start trying to top him up when he has a bad chucking episode. I feel like a bad mother because i want my own time or enough time to get things done between his feeds rather then be topping him up again and again and just feeding all day long.

Good afternoon girls :) DH at home with a cold but he's not too bad, or feeling sorry for himself this time. He spent the morning doing jig-saws with Wade whilst keeping an eye on Niall asleep in his pram which allowed me to catch up on some sleep myself. Last night wasn't too bad but co-slept after 3am again which meant I didn't sleep deeply. I don't worry about squashing him, I worry about the blankets smothering him... but I figure light sleep is better than none. My best strategy for helping him settle when he is irritable is popping him in the pram (inside the house) which has a bassinette attachment and pushing that back and forth a little... the motion is really soothing and 8 times out of ten he'll calm down and drift off to sleep (especially if he's just had a bath/shower which always settles him of an evening). We used this technique with our other two as well. Helps them learn to relax and fall asleep without being held. If he doesn't settle I don't let him cry too long either, pick him up, cuddle, carry him around the house (he loves going in the pantry! a change of scene works wonders). Then try the pram again. He's feeding every 3 hours usually ATM... perhaps more frequently in the evening (I cluster feed to help him get really satisfied). My MCHN reminded me that most babies have 4 hours out of 24 that are unsettled at this age. Niall isn't unsettled for that long so I consider myself lucky.... although next week could be a totally different story!

After this morning's sleep I feel almost "caught up" with my sleep deposits... am going to have a really restful day today in preparation for tomorrow's outing with Verity and her friend into the city for some shopping. I'll leave Niall at home with DH and Wade.... hope DH's cold doesn't get worse... have been looking forward to doing this all week!

Lovely dark, rainy day here... I find that Wade sleeps better during his nap time on days like this although he's due to wake up soon.

Fiona: I do that pat pat thing too LOL but that starts later (when my babies are older) and I let them sleep on their tummies... it works wonders hey... and yep, I play soft classical music at the same time... and i also agree with the sling suggestion for dealing with an unsettled baby... you've got some good advice to start with here tulip :) I agree that swaddleing can really help for most babies but mine just don't like it at all because they've all liked to sleep with their hands near their mouths (Niall was born that way!) but their startle reflex doesn't wake them so that's lucky.

Ok... time for a quick cuppa before Wade awakes (he's actually the most "challenging" family member ATM).

Oh Nic! Sorry i missed your post... you're not a bad mum!!! It sounds like those weigh-ins are starting to worry you... please don't let them!!! Nixon will grow out of being so "chucky". After I feed Niall I wait until putting him down which helps a bit. I'm sure there would be lots of other mums in here with that problem... I can't be of much help... but please don't be so hard on yourself! Repeat after me: "These are the absolute HARDEST days" C'mon, you can do it... :)

Thanks, Bathsheba :)I've been a bit absent, but definitely keeping tabs on our Junies. I will repeat that mantra in my head all day today. i have been so disheartened - this BF'ing thing is my biggest challenge so far, probably ever in my whole life, second only to writing my Honours thesis!
I had an appt with a maternal nurse today and I might not have to go to a clinic now, but we'll see how I go. She thinks the vasospasm is related to the attachment. She did help.
DP spent his first night EVER on the couch, I was so upset but had to concentrate on feeding Oscar last night because he was so unsettled (most likely because I was!). Feeding=hurting, so I have to get out of that frame of mind, concentrate on my technique and RELAX. I just want to feed my little monster!! And he's so beautiful, I hate not being able to satisfy him because of not being able to keep him on for long due to the discomfort. But we'll get there. I just don't want to wish away this time when he's so little, waiting for when he's bigger and feeding is easier. I've used up quite a few tears. DP is frustrated and seems to think I should be able to pull my housekeeping weight already...but I just CAN'T! This BF'ing business is wiping me out, and on top of that I'm trying to get the attachment right.
SO, I definitely hear the Junies who are having issues with night feeding etc - unfortunately, I do take some solace that none of us are alone in our experiences.
In good news, my mum was very supportive about this when she called last night - could she be ...nah, I won't say it, just in case...

Thanks Bath you made me smile!
I think to i am really getting over ppl telling me who small he is and "he's a newey" comments.
I know its not their fault but i just feel that now he is almost 3 months old and well past his actual due date we can start getting somewhere.
Even yesterday at the shops i had a few newborn comments. Last night we went to our friends who had their boy almost 2 weeks ago. he is a bit bigger then Nixon but to me he looks like a newborn where as Nixon doesn't. he smiles, has head control, looks around but i guess passes by don't see all that do they.....
Its easy for the health nurses to say feed more frequently and top up between feeds but realisticly its a hard task! God imagine if Nixon was not my first! Then I don't know how I'd cope with it all!

Hi girls - just want to say congrats to all the new bubs and none of you are bad mums!

Matthew spent the first 48-72 hours of his life crying, DH stayed up with him all the time and just cuddled him. I Know its exhausting but its like they need the reassurance the time to adjust to this big scary world.

If you are after a sling, I recommend the hug-a-bub which Kelly sells through Bellyelly. They are amazing and can be used from birth. Bubs lies right next to mums/dads heartbeat so is very reassuring for them. I used to wear this with Matthew in it and have a snooze .

Ever since Matthew has been born I have not had a proper sleep. Even now he sleeps through, I think being mummy's we are subconciously thinking about them and listening out for them. You do get used to surviving on less than you are used to. But it does get better. :)

sorry IK missed your post. you should definatley not be worrying about house duties at this stage. you tell your DH to follow your pattern of feeding changing burping nursing for a 24hr period and c how he feels! but even then he could not really know how you feel. Breast feeding actually makes u tired. oscar is sucking all your good nutrients out of you & your left with dribs and drabs. all of my nails have broken, my hair looks and feels aweful, Nixon is taking all my good stuff.
pls dont do what i did in the begining got myself stressed about not having things done or up to scratch.

as i type Nixon has just done 4 projectile vomits and still crying in pain.......oh i don't know what to do any more we've both got spew all over us constantly.

Hi ladies
Nic- Try using a bit of Gaviscon, mum used it with me and I had reflux really badly!

I'm having a bad day! I just don't seem to fit in anywhere.I was definately a June Belly but then Patrick came and I ceased being June and became May! But the May babies are doing way more than what Patrick is doing.I just don't know!

going to sleep. no time
Just wanted to say Jess you belong here :) and dont you go thinking otherwise!

Same goes for me, Jess!
Going to bed now...first time going to bed before midnight...oh, and maternal nurse really helped with my attachment - today's feeding after the appt has not been traumatic or tear-inducing...

Hey girls
We are all good mums, i think we're just sleep deprived... But im happy at that! Since Anneliese came home, i have to feed her every 3-4 hourly since she was so prem. But i dont care - she's home with me and that's all i care about! She barely leaves my side, and tonight will be her first outing - dinner with the BB vic restaurant club, which will be great fun as i havent done anything except look after the boys and go to the hospital since she was born!! She's 29 days today... i would've been 34w5d pg today, hard to believe i have a beautiful 4w old daughter when i should still have 5w left of my pg!! Anyway, off to bf again!

Hi all, looks like I am pretty lucky with Flynn - he is eating and sleeping well, settling in to a predictable 4-hour routine and putting on weight like a trooper.
My problem is my personality and my relationship with DH - we had "issues" before but now that Flynn is here they are understandably magnified. They centre around the sort of person I am - I am a conflict avoider, deliberately act in a passive-aggressive manner, don't stand up for myself half the time and the other half go on the attack, and keep being snappy and *****y. I can't blame pg or BF on this - I was like this before. I really hate who I am at the moment and want to change, especially because I don't want Flynn to grow up with a mother like I had, but it is so hard to make wholesale renovations to your character!! Other problem is because we have been dealing with this for so long, DH is really over it and just wants be to change.
I know this sounds like I am a browbeaten housewife but while there is fault on DH's side (and he and I both acknowledge it) this is really something that I have to change. Like Dr Phil says - you are responsible for your own behaviour and perception of the world.
I know this sounds all glum - it's not really, but I just needed to vent. I am so ****ed off with myself at the moment:angry:

IK I really hope BF improves for you - good on you for working so hard! If you keep up the good work I promise you it will become the best part about caring for your newie. It is the one time I am totally sure Flynn is content and secure...

Bellasmum you are SOOO one of us - anyways in a few months time, a week or so will make no difference between our bubs - please stick around :-)

Nickers don't let the weight thing get you down - if Nixon is growing somewhat surely that is enough? I so empathise with the projectile vomit thing - our nephew did that and it is so hard to watch them be upset.

Bath, you seem to be coping so well with two little ones - what is the age gap b/w Niall and Wade? DH and I are thinking of trying for number 2 in december so could be working with an 18 month age gap

better go - will try and log on again soon, but getting in to the library between feeds to use the net can be a bit of a challenge

ciao bellas

Hi Everyone,

Firstly I want to smack everyone on the bum in here who even has any reason for thinking they are doing this parenting thing wrong!!! That is silly talk and I wont have it! These new little people we are raising dont come with a manual! They cant communicate with us except through crying and it is bloody hard work figuring out what, when and why with them! Now no more negative talk Mummys!!! WE CAN DO THIS!!!

Nic, as for Nixon chucking constantly, I would suggest a top up with a formula fo babies with reflux. Every brand makes on and even though you mght not like the idea, trust me it COULD help. It did with Mia cos she was a very spewy baby to start with. I stunk of puke 24/7!

IK, your other half is lucky he isnt with me cos I would slap him for even suggesting that I do housework! My bubs are 6wks old and I only picked up a vacuum yesterday! Who cares if the house is messy! You are being the best mum you can by persevering with the breastfeeding so dont even think about cleaning!

Jess, mine are May bubs too but I went in there and hardly knew anyone so I bolted and came in here!!! I think they should re-name our thread
"Babies who were MEANT to be born in June" !! What do yous reckon? Then we could all be together!

Simone, Hi I dont think we have met, how are you? Congrats on the birth of your little girl. She was pretty anxious to meet her mummy! Glad she is doing well!

Tulip, wrapping is great even though they dont SEEM to think it is. They will wriggle and squirm but in the end they DO like it because that is all they know from being so snug in the womb. Jack and Charlee grunt and groan when I put them down at night but soon settle and sleep very soundly and I really think this is because of the wrapping. Also, I really believe, (and this comes from the experience of being a second time mum), that putting babies down awake and letting them LEARN to put themselves to sleep is the way to go. With Mia I always cuddled her to sleep and when I put her down she would generally always wake up. As I dont have four arms I decided from hospital that the twins would be the opposite. It does take patience but it does get easier. If baby wont settle, gently stroking the forehead or tapping bottom usually does the trick. Just try a few things. you will be right sweety! I know how frustrating newborns can be! IVE GOT TWO!!! AAARRRGGHH!!! (runs screaming from the house!) just kidding....

Hi Bath, Jo, Karen, Rory, Ali, Enigma, Neeny, Nickel, Gabysmum, Amanda, Jaspen and anyone I may have forgotten!

Anyway I have to send my husband an e-mail cos I think he misses us! He is home in3 sleeps! WOOHOO!!!

Have a great day everyone!

Love Kel

Tanya - it can be so tough knowing what you should be doing. hopefully things will settle down once your milk is fully in.
Nickers - don't be hard on yourself, looking after someone 24hrs a day is exhausting and we all need our breaks, even if it is just hanging out the washing. When you see housework piling up it can be very stressful. Wow what a big sleep Nixon had, I can't wait. We get about 3 hours sleep in between feeds.
IK - I too feel pressure about housework, but physically can't do it all, bf'ing is exhausting.
Bathsheba - I hope you had a good night sleep last night, I couldn't imagine heading off for the city, enjoy your day.
Jess - I agree you belong with us.
I have now joined the separated tummy muscle club. How are others coping with this and are you doing your exercises? I wonder how long it takes to recover.

Oh yeah forgot to add that we had the Child health Nurse appointment yesterday and Jack is a whopping 9pound and Charlee is a teeny weeny 6pd 14 ounces!

Nic, I too was worried that Charlee is too small but I think they will really take off soon! You just watch, he will double in size before you know it sweety!

Enjoy your night tonight Simone.
Rory - well you have made a great start by acknowledging the issues you have, i have had similiar issues and I try to use the 12 step program. Even if there is no alcohol issues these steps are a great philosphy to live by.
Kel - things sound like they are going okay, my hat goes off to you coping with twins while hubby is away, glad your dh will be home soon.

Me too Karen! I cant wait to see him! He sent me a naughty e-mail! What am I supposed to do with that! I went all red reading it! God I feel like a fish out of water with this sort of thing!!! hehehe

woah Kel , there you are raising twins and a young daughter - and you come on here with the most positive upbeat approach to it all - well done , your a legend , you made me fell inspired and Im going to stop complaining ! :) How about some new pics of your babies ?? We want to see how the twinies have grown!

Karen - I had / have seperated tummy muscles , quite honestly i have NO IDEA what it means.. typical! .. But I do know that a few days after birth I went and did some sit ups and was in agony. tsk tsk ... Im too scared to try again , but am going on a 6km walk today ... wish me luck! I'll let you know if it was a good idea or not

Tanya - hows Lucas going?? ... as everyone says I think wrapping is a good idea. I have no idea how to do it , so now Aneta doesnt sleep wrapped up anymore.. she's got this little doona thing we zip her up in. In Poland every baby sleeps in one of these , but over here I havent seen them yet.

Rory - the fact that you aknowledge there's an issue and you want to change , is already a big step forward. I have a very difficult personality ,and half the time im living in denial blaming everyone around me.

IK - your a trooper with the b/f. Infact I think all of you breast feeding mummies are... I only tried for one day and it was so painful , so unpleasant , i didnt even consider persevering like all of you had. Well done...

Simone - gimme 5 that she's home !!!.. woohoo :)

Nickers - sorry to hear that your having problems with Nixon vomiting all the time :( But everytime I read your posts im surprised at how well you handle everything , you go out shopping with him in huge crowds , you took him on a plane trip , your breastfeeding. To me it sounds like your doing a top job !... Aneta is 4 weeks on Tuesday and I STILL havent taken her out by myself .

Ok , Junies.. im off again.. big huge hello to all of you :)

hey everyone, so good to be in the june babies and not the june bellies!!

still no luck for me, lachlan is constantly screaming when awake, the only time i get peace is when he is feeding or asleep and he doesnt sleep well either, last night he would wake and i would feed and change him (1 hour) then get him back off to sleep (1/2 hour) thenhe would wake about 1/2 hour later!! he is really unhappy and seems to be in pain but even after a big burp and spew he is still really upset, im sure im doing something wrong, i haave been to the family care clininc twice to try to get help and both times he seems to be fine and goes to sleep well etc. im sure the lady thinks im makng it all up!! i just dont know what else to do. she suggested that i take him to the doctor to get looked over just to make sure that there is nothing wront. im doing this next week.

Nickers - im hearing you with the vomit thing. i am constantly covered in it too.

Can my details be added to the front please::

Name: Dee78 (donna)
State: NSW
DOB:14.6.06
Stats: Weight - 7lb 5oz (3310g), Length - 51cm Head - 36cm
Gender: Male
Babyname: Lachlan Roy
Website: None
Health concerns:
Notes: very unsettled, doesnt like to sleep anywhere but mum or dads chest!!

all done for you Donna

Oooh we've been busy posters today! I've been into the city... main mission was to buy DD a pair of Converse shoes... took a while but achieved... Niall slept the enitire period I was gone :) so that was easy. DH catching up on sleep now, Wade napping too.

Rory: the gap between my two boys is 2.8 years which is what we planned for and I think is ideal: I personally couldn't have coped with them closer together (Wade is hopefully nearing the end of a very challenging age... he's also able to do a few things for himself like go to the potty (for wees anyhow) etc which really helps... also with him being a little older he doesn't need his highchair/cot/smaller car seat so we haven't had to double up or force him to give them up too early) plus he sleeps through until 7.30am 99% of the time (i couldn't handle being woken up by 2 children each night) still, lots of people like to have children close together... I know my limitations though... he is still quite tricky to manage behaviour-wise and I know from working with young children that 3yo's are usually much more co-operative than 2yos so I'm really looking forward to his birthday!

Independant sleeping: I agree with Kel: if you can gently encourage your babies to fall asleep after you've put them down life will be much easier for all concerned. I've found that the most trauma-free way of achieving this is using a pram. I learnt this after noticing how easy my babies fell asleep whilst out walking them in the pram... so now i just let Niall sleep in his during the day... mine's a big Emmaljunga one though so it's almost as big as a cradle anyhow. Wade learnt to fall asleep by himself in the pram when very young and when it came time for him to sleep in his big cot he coped quite well.

Jess: You belong right here... eventually our babies will be catagorised into much broader BB groups so stick with us hon and don't stress about labels :)

uh oh... Wade awake... gotta go deal... back later!

Angel DD and her friend have taken Wade for a walk...

IK: what is vasospasm? and what does it feel like? When I was BFing Wade I often had this weird/awful pain that was kinda like he was sucking my breast tissue out! it was also kinda achey...went through my whole chest and sometimes even down into my legs a bit like restless leg syndrome!!! It was agony some days and i just couldn't wait to get him off... that was when it was at it's worst... most times it was just bad when he first attached (didn't hurt the nipple, just sucked too hard and seemed to hurt the actual ducts!)... Niall sucks more gently thank God... I don't know why I never mentioned the pain of Wade's feeding to the MCHN, maybe because I thought it would go away or maybe it was just because I didn't like her... anyway I was determined to keep feeding and it did eventually settle down. Your attitude is so fantastic however if you end up in tears too frequently don't be too hard on yourself... BF is definately worthwhile but not to the point that you're in misery... you've given Oscar a great start and formula is preferable to you being in a constant state of trauma :hug:

...gotta fetch snacks for DD/her friend/Wade...

Bath i just heard you r coming to the BB dinner tonight! cool Nixon & i are leaving soon.
Are u bringing Niall/Wade/Verity/DH?
Simone & Anneliese are going too.

Hello everyone!

Firstly I want to say thanks to MisKel for making me laugh!!! I wish i was getting some of those naughty emails - blush blush!!! DH is insisting that we wait till my 6 week checkup which is frustrating the hell out of me at the moment. Am in the mood for some loving despite the fact that we are both exhausted!!!

Alex is also a spewy baby and I was worried I was underfeeding him. I found that because he was spewing I wasnt giving him as much cause I thought initially that I was overfeeding, but now I realise that that is just his body and I am actually feeding him more and now have a more content baby. I keep forgetting what a big boy he is. So Tanya if you find that a top-up feed after a spew is going to settle him by all means do it. Also you can get "sleeping bags" for babys from most baby shops and Bonds even do a range. May not be quite the same as Anetas but they are nice and warm and snug.

Bath it sounds like your DD is an angel indeed for taking Wade off your hands, I hear you about it being a difficult age. Gaby is only 2 months younger then Wade and whereas sometimes she is an angel at other times she is the devil in disguise. She is jsut plain hard work at the moment and talks a million miles a minute when sometimes all I want it peace and quiet and no more questions!!!

IK, hope you manage to resolve your breastfeeding issues. Would hate to be in constant pain so you are a real champ for sticking with it. Some days are still a struggle here with ALex too, it seems like he is fighting me when he is feeding and it is a huge effort on both of our behalfs.

Hope everyone else is well. Alex has just woken from a nap, he was asleep in bed with me as I found that was the only way to settle him today.

Ooh I just remembered, Alex turned 1 month this week and I was so excited. It has gone by so fast!

Well we have had a better day here today Tori has fed and slept pretty well, so I am feeling nice and relaxed. I have to say having DH at home has been a godsend, I have to agree with you Tanya my DH and I are much closer since having the baby, working as a team and all the rest, it is great.

Spewy babies Tori is a bit of a spewy baby, she will spew at least once after each feed, and if she gets the hiccups she can spew 3or 4 times. Luckily it is not projectile vomitting, but still not so nice. If she has a big spew I usually give her a bit more milk and it seems to settle her quite well.

Night Feeds I have to say that I am extremley lucky so far where night feeds are concerned, Tori usually has a feed about 8:30 then 12, 3 ish and 6 ish which is great becaus I am only having to get up twice in the night. She also feeds and then goes straight back to sleep which is good because I am getting at least 2.5 hours sleep between each feed.

Wrapping We usually wrap Tori at night, and that is one of the signals for her that it is night time and time for sleeping, so far it seems to be working quite well. During the day I just tuck a blankey around her.

Kel Sounds like the twins are doing wonderfully well, and that you are coping well with raising 3 kids, especially with DH working away. I just realised that the twins are exactley a month older than Tori.

Enigma A 6km walk?? Where do you find the energy, we are still tackling walking around the block, mind you I am planning on going back to the gym in a month and I have say that I am really looking forward to getting into some regular excercise again.

Rory Sory to hear that you are having a bit of a tough time at the moment, but good on you for realising what you problem is and wanting to do something about it. Surley that is the first and most important step. I hope that you are feeling better about yourself in no time at all.

IK I hope that the breast feeding is getting easier for you. I have to say that I am quite lucky with the whole attachement thing because Tori was attaching well from the word go, but I still struggle with it some days. I think like you said it is just that at times it is sooooooo physcially exhausting. Good luck with it all.

Anyway a big hello to everyone else, it is good to see that even though we are still adjusting to our new lives that we are able to stop by here and keep tabs on each other. I have found that knowing that there are others out there in the same situation as me has made coping a lot better. Especially when I am sitting there at 3am fighting off sleep and trying to feed the baby, it is nice to know that I am not the only one in the world awake doing that exact same task.

I hope everyone is enjoying there weekend.

I totally agree with Bath about the pram being great for encouraging sleep. I think that if Jack & Charlee can do it so well in the pram then they can do it in the cot. I try really hard to be strong and not pick them up once they are down at night. It is working, Jack is very quick at falling asleep and last night he even managed it without his dummy! Charlee is a real mummys girl and she will look around and listen for me and really turn it on if I dont pick her up but we are getting there slowly.

I am very upbeat and I am very positive. I guess I have just chosen to soldier on and if the time comes that I feel like falling in a heap then I will deal with it then. I am very independent and always have been. But dont get me wrong there have been lotss of tears and a few very trying times since the twins arrived. When it gets to that point I just put everyone in bed with me and deal with it all in the morning!!!

Anyway I am off to snuggle on the lounge with my bubbas!

Love Kel

Good morning ... wow...no posts since 8pm last night???

Well guess what! :) I had the great pleasure of meeting Nic and gorgeous little Nixon last night at the Victorian Member's Restaurant club dinner (Lygon St, Carlton) I didn't realise it was being organised until late yesterday afternoon when I saw Simone's post... poor DH was just waking up from a long nap at 5pm when I tentatively mentioned it... for some reason I kinda felt guilty asking if I could go along after spending the morning in the city shopping but to my surprise he was very supportive! He still has a bad cough and didn't feel up to going himself but suggested i take Verity along... he stayed at home with the boys and managed to successfully give Niall a bottle. So I was able to relax and have a rare night out... the venue unfortunately was incredibly popular and getting in and out from my seat was tricky so I didn't get a chance to chat to Simone but Nic was right beside me telling me about her trip to the clairvoyant until a waiter dropped a pizza tray right next to Nixon's pram which woke him up (it was incredibly loud, i almost jumped out of my chair myself)... but at least then we got a chance to see him and his absolutely gorgeous blue eyes (Mum's eyes i think :) ) even though poor Nic had a bit of a job dealing with him from that point on. Then Verity ordered this humungeous piece of Mars Bar Cake, which I had to help her eat ;) LOL and after eating that she didn't feel very well! Anyhow I'm looking forward to the next time and the BB event in September. Maybe IK and Rory would like to come along to the next dinner? It'd be great to meet you guys too!

Well after such a full-on day yesterday I've got to rest today... got a footy game to listen to... nappies to fold...

Thinking of CeeCee... hope you're ok darl :)

My goodness, I agree no more belly aching about being bad mothers, you certainly are not!! These little pepole are exhausting, they are very demanding and they will take up 99.9% of your time. So chin up, you are all doing great. Misskel is right they don't come with a manual or a remote control for that matter.:) Misskel you cracked me up, lol. And I agree it should be known as the "Babies who were MEANT to be born in June" !! Jess you are one of us, and don't think differently, OK, good.
Now a message for any unsupportive misunderstanding daddies out there. Get over it, if you think its messy clean it up yourself, if your hungry get yourself something to eat. Mothering at this stage of the game is a definate 24 hour job. In a few months time things will have settled and baby will be content rolling around the floor while a bit of housework/cooking gets done.
What men have to understand is that just because you cut the cord doesn't mean the babies are no longer attached. We are the only mammals to cut the cord and chuck the babies out on there own and expect them to cope. It doesn't work that way. They need us, we are their food and their soothing comfort and their warmth we are their mummies and they need to be held and soothed and slowly encouraged to fend for themselves. The strength of this attachment doesn't last for that long. the house work will keep.
I'm lucky or should I say DH is lucky to be so supportive and understanding and wouldn't dare have a go, if I gave him a chioce between doing dishes or dealing with a screaming newborn, I know what he would choose. lol.
I have been so thankful for the school holidays, my girls have earnt some mega pocket money doing chores for me. So the house has been kinda clean, it's not perfect but it will do. But who cares if it is a mess. Thats what is great about large families everyone pitches in and things get done. But if you get the kids to do jobs you have to be prepared to accept a less then perfect attempt and praise them for it.:eek:
Slings, I love my sling I have a baa baa sling, it is brillliant and he loves it as much as me. With two todlers and a newborn it is important to have both hands free. I recommend buying one. lol, I sound like a commercial.lol.
Spewy babies, I got lucky on that front, so far so good, although at times he likes to hold on to his wind.
Enigma oohhhhh, babe, such a shame, the discomfort goes within a week you wiggle your toes and count to ten and the discomfort fades, if it doesn't then bubba isn't attached properly. Definately not a put down though darl, it is your choice, I have done both, I just find breastfeeding so lovely and not to mention cheap and convenient, lol.

Sorry big post, but I haven't been around much, been busy for some reason, lol.

OK just a quick vent, Usually I will just smile a go along with a conversation with a stranger so as not to be rude even though they may be being rude themselves and holding me up. But.... Yesterday I went over to see my Sister for her Bday but first had to go shopping and pick up a pressy for her. So I drove over to Moranbah and went to Target for a pressy and Coles to shop. Now I was by myself with all five children, on a busy Saturday morning Bub cracked up so I was pushing a heavy trolley sigle handedly and breastfeeding, (Forgot the sling, d'oh) baby and DD1 pushed the other trolley with DD3 and 4 in it., She did a great job following me from aisle to aisle, and went as fast as I could as DD3 and 4 were getting hungry and tired and were starting to play up. I was in the personals aisle in front of the tampon and pads section as I needed some supplies, when this woman, an older lady mid 40's with her 2-3 year old daughter was trying desperately to engage me in a conversation, "Oh he's a newy," Ohh look at the baby", "Would you like mummy to have another one of those" 'Would you like to see the baby" "You do, ok lets look at the baby". I was not in the mood to be nice and obliging, I was in a hurry, I was breastfeeding and pushing a trolley and rounding up the other four children to keep up, I stopped for a moment to get some more pads. This rude woman grabbed my arm(my breastfeeding side arm), so as to turn me around so that I could show her and her daughter the baby. She said "ohh how old is he 4-5 weeks", I was frowning at her and said abruptly, "no he's 2 and a half weeks" and turned my head to indicate her to the other four two of which were squabbling with each other (miss 1 and 3) and said" and I am extremely busy, thank you. Picked up a packet of pads and Said "Come on girls, let's keep moving) I felt very rude, but at the same time who is she to ignore my body language and the fact that I was trying to ignore her and grab my arm so that she could see the baby. You get comments all the time don't you, and I really don't mind, and am very flattered when people comment on my babies and I like to show them off but to physically grab me is not on. Particulary when I'm breastfeeding.
Grrrrrrrr, Vent over. ahhhhh I feel much better.

Ohh Bath I'm so jealous, I wish I could meet you all. But I live a long, long way away from anywhere, lol.

Well done darl....Some people just don't know when to leave you alone! bbs

I didn't even know about the BB night! Probably still wouldn't have gone - we had a dinner invite, but I think I'll be up for the next one!
My mum left just before to get back to the country - she is really pained now when she has to leave Oscar, what a turn around! Unfortunately, now she's taken to saying that she's a bad mother :( I hate when she continues to punish herself, instead of just learning and moving on. She's been the mother I want her to be since she came to see Oscar and she's still punishing herself???
BFing is definitely improving - last night I had an attachment on one side that was textbook! It hasn't been perfect since then, but I have that one successful feed to go on with now and to follow up. We went to DP's brother's for dinner last night and my SIL assured me (to add to the other assurances I've received) that it DOES just happen. For her she was thinking it was a crock and, literally, the very next day is just clicked and happened. It MUST get better, cos so many people BF :) I'm not a trooper, I don't think, I'm just doing what I have to do cos I know it makes my boy happy and it makes me happy when he's content.
Slings - my girlfriend has lent me her Hug a Bub and it is the best thing ever.Hands free shopping! I was about to buy one, but now I have a free loan, so I am very pleased with myself. I walked around Knox City for about two hours with Oscar on me and it was so liberating, not to mention the audible comments of "did you see the baby? How cute!" from various shoppers! I had been looking into getting a HAB since November, so by the time I got it I didn't even need to follow the video (also, our VCR is disconnected!), I just went to the website and followed some pictures and voila! I had it :) It is so comfy, I recomment persevering with the 'fiddliness' of it.
Dee, I can't believe you were virtually accosted by that lady! Obviously someone who isn't BFing and missing an entire brain (note to those bottlefeeding, I mean this in a mutually exclusive manner!) to think it's ok to manouevre you mid-feed and against your will!
Bath - sounds like you might have had vasospasm! The sensation varies, mine is a stinging pain in my nipples, the middle of the nipple turns white and VERY cold after a feed, so I have to cover up and apply a heat pack after. It's a blood constriction condition, either related to Reynaud's Syndrome or some other emotional stress that causes a psychosomatic blood constriction. In my case it was either the thing with my mum or a the initial attachment issues I've been having (causing flinching, anticipation of pain, blood constriction - a vicious cycle...), but I now suspect it was the latter that started it. It'll get better as our attachment sorts itself out and I can relax better at the start of a feed. Cold weather is when it tends to be a problem for BFing women.
Kel - I'm a bit like you, why bother holding onto bad feelings? Every day is a new day and nothing is helped by remaining a grumpy-bum! Then you look at your angel's face and everything melts into obscurity, so I'm pretty happy aside from the BFing issues, DP getting grumpy in the middle of the night (when he wakes when I'm feeding), etc.
I think this monkey wants another feed - my right boob is going to welcome that!

Hi All,

Bath you make it sound so good i was going to jump on here and tell everyone how unsettled Nixon was last night! I probably would have been better leaving him @ home with DH but every dinner outing so far Nixon has been a dream, until last night!
Poor baby did get woken up by the loud bang, he was also quiet spewey, pooed when we got there so i changed him (in his pram no room anywhere!) I fed him a bottle but he was a bit spewey after that and he wet his clothes so off come ALL of his clothes (again in his pram) to change him.... I was quiet dissapointed too that i didnt get to chat to everyone, esp Simone. Sorry but as Bath said we were kinda jammed in the corner and there was no excaping! Anneleise is soooooo gorgous though! I cannot believe how well she is, and how good you look and how she is at home and venturing out with mummy when she should be in your belly for another 5 weeks! She is now about the size that Nixon was born and i didnt realise until now how quickly they do grow. Everyne keeps saying it but to me he still seems so small, but he has put on almost 2kg since birth!
It was great to finally meet Bathsheba and Verity, she is very pretty and looks alot like her mum! I also got to meet Kelly, Divvy, Meredith,Danni and Carrie who gave Nixon a nice gift.

Kel you are a trooper i tell yah..... you make it sound like a walk in the park and if its not you just accept it!

if any of you guys can get to your local meet ups i recommend it, its great to put faces to these names and ppl we always type to!

anyway going to gave have a bath with Nixon!

Hi everyone,

Just a quick one from me, i have lots to do before Rowen gets home Tuesday!

I cant believe that woman Dee! What a rude thing to do (grabbing your arm)!! I would go off, that is one thing I will not tolerate! Being touched by a stranger is just not on. I would never ever do that to someone I just could imagine how uncomfortable it would make you! As for people pestering you when your out, I dont mean to sound like you guys have it easy but you should seriously try it with TWINS! Its ridiculous, like Jack and Charlee are some kind of circus attraction! I would love a dollar for everytime I have heard in the last 6 weeks, "One of each, arent you lucky" "Twins, how amazing" "Arent you clever, one of each" and for the comment to really top it off "ARE THEY IDENTICAL" I mean are you serious??? And that is what I asked one lady and she looked at me like I was really rude? How can they be identical?? One has a penis and the other a vagina!!!!
God its like every person within cooee of my pram has to stop me and poke them and prod them! They even put the tram cover up and look right in! Then I get the story about old aunty agnes and her twins! So now I leave one at home with mum and do my shopping or just go in alone! Twins was agreat novelty at first but now they are just Jack and Charlee. My kids. And its so frustrating!

Glad to hear that all the Melbourne girls had a great night out. Bummer about Nic having a tough time with Nixon after the pizza tray was dropped. Poor thing.
Maybe soon us Perth girls could organise a meet??? I am up on some Tuesdays either to drop Rowen off or pick him up so maybe we could do it on that day??? What do you guys think?

I better go vaccuum my car! It is a feral mess and I promised I would keep it spotless!I want to prove i can look afetr a car really well cos I want a landcruiser next year!!!

Hope everyones Sunday is just lovely and relaxing!

Love Kel

Nic, how sweet a bath with your baby! I had a shower with each of the bubs last week and it was nice. Maybe I should try a bath tonight! You did have a tough time last night! I hate it when they wet through or poo on their clothes when your out! Its a real pain!!!

I quiet often have a bath with Nixon we both enjoy it! I'm feeding him now and more relaxed after my bath. I get in first and have my time and when Im ready DH brings him in. So i have a good 10min or so, candles, oil burner, lights off, ahh makes me wanna go back in and have another!

Just a suggestion for anyone getting up often during the night for feeds, i know all babies are different so obviously what works for one will not work for everyone. But what i have been doing of an evening is feeding Nixon more frequently, and sometimes doing a "top up" feed after his last feed before bed. So is he feeds every 3-4hrs during the day, the last couple of feeds i make 2-3hrs and say if i feed him at 9.30 @ 10.30-11ish i might put him back on the boob and top him up. Sometimes it may only be 5-10 mins but Nixon has been sleeping 7-8hrs for a few weeks now. (not every night but most nights)
There is a thread for local meet ups and different ppl organise different gatherings so keep you eyes out for you local ones. IK i think Divvy was going to organise the next one for 12th Aug.....
I'd also love to do a "Junie" catch up in a couple of months for all the Junies in melb. But maybe we can go somewhere that can accomodate prams and babies. Last night was quiet awkward i must say!Kel- I can imagine the comments you must get, i keep getting the "isnt he small" comments and I am quiet over them now! Does Jack & Charlee sleep together in a cot? At what stage if so do they sleep on their own? My gfriend is 20weeks pg with twins i caught up with her yesterday she is a little concerned how she will cope with it all.

We would love to meet up with the Melbourne Junies, but being up here in the country, it is just so far away from Melbourne.If anyone wanted to, we could all meet in Seymour? Its halfway from Me and halfway from Melb. to Euroa!

Patrick has been really fantastic with sleeping.ATM he is sleeping in his capsule on the bed. It's too small to have a cot or bassinette in the van so he sleeps in his capsule next to the bed.
On another note completely.DH and I are separating for a while. He is moving back to Tassie for a while and I am going to stay here in my Aunts house. I'm not upset about it because it is the best thing to do for all of us! Things have been strained here for a while and being apart will be the best for us.

Nic, Jack and Charlee do sleep together. At the moment its in the porta cot but will move the big cot to my room on Wednesday when Rowen is home. I dont think separating them yet is an option as they seem to sleep very lightly, if at all when the other is not there. One will wake and scream and the other will carry on sleeping quite happily but as soon as the screamer is removed the other wakes up!Go figure!!! Seriously, just tell your friend that organisation will become her best friend! If I keep on top of things I am fine but I can see how people can get overwhelmed. But staying positive is the key. Good support is also a blessing! I would die without my mummy!

I also have that bath routine... it's devine :) Plus I also "cluster feed" of an evening just as Nic described which I agree helps them have a more settled night even if they don't sleep through. Yep, I heard that the next Melbourne restaurant club night will probably be on the 12th of August, and I'm in :) It'll probably be in an inner northern suburb.

Also if the Junies want to catch up separately I'd recommend somwhere central... perhaps even Melbourne Central which is highly baby-friendly mid week at around 10-11am... very spacious, wonderful baby restrooms, and very pram friendly. Depends how people feel about catching a train? Personally I think travelling with a baby is easier on a train than in a car... but it might not be everyone's cup of tea.

DH and older kids out grocery shopping ATM. I'm famished! Pantry low on supplies. Last 2 times I BF I kinda lost my appetite... not so this time! Seems I have the munchies 24/7! Don't want to start regaining the weight i lost due to cholestasis! Better get out and do some walking this week.

Having my first appointment at the Rosanna MCH centre tomorrow... Niall's first weigh-in for about 2 weeks! (I was slack making my first appointment)... don't care whether the nurse says he's gained the right ammount of weight or not... I know he's been feeding very well and has been making lots of wet and pooey nappies and is very settled (only cries for about 10 minutes a day and easily settles with a cuddle) and he just seems plain content! If the nurse tries to tell me he's not thriving i'll just nod my head, vent in here and keep doing what I'm doing... he's the chubbiest of all my babies too so I know that even if he gets a cold etc he's got enough in reserve (which was a big concern when my DD wasn't gaining enough weight apparently... still, she never got sick). If I sound arrogant it's just because nearly every mum i've spoken to has gone through what seems to be unnecessary stress from weigh-ins :( And one of the things we spoke about last night was that up until recently the MCH centres have been using weight charts from the 1970s that were not even based on Australian averages! I think ammended charts are only just being used now... I'll ask about it tomorrow.

Rory: I meant to add earlier that I really admire your ability to reflect on your own character... I think you've got a great chance of dealing sucessfully with the issues you mentioned and are showing a higher degree of emotional intelligence than you are giving yourself credit for! :)

Ok....family back now.... better go!