Tubal Reversals #14

Here is a thread where you can chat with others about TTC after a tubal reversal... The old thread can be found here

I haven't posted in a while, hope you all remember me.

I agree about the 6 months thing,it seems we have all made the decision after a traumatic pregnancy or birth. I have writing daily to the health minister to re-instate the reversal to the medicare list, as it was the Liberal government thinking it was best to remove it along with over things such as dental!

We are at a cross roads right now hubby changes his mind so often about another that it is stressing me out, I don't want to resent him for not having another baby with me and I don't want him to resent me for pressuring him. I can see his point that he is worried about my health, but he can't see mine that I have been stable for over a year now. :dance:

Having to wait till May to find out from my neuro-surgeon is killing me, but IVF is looking like an unlikely option due to taking the pill before starting as I am unable to do that due to contradictions to my other medical issues. My heart is thinking that if we go down the reversal path and if I fall pregnant it is meant to be and if I don't fall pregnant then fate didn't deal me that hand. This is something that I am going to have to look into because like many others I just don't have that sort of money sitting around to pay, but I can fly to Melbourne, go there often to see an eye doctor.

Oh I hate waiting. Good news is that it is march now and I only have to wait till May the 12th. I will make sure I pop in more often.

hi didles. welcome back :-) I know all about the pill thing with IVF, as i can't take the pill because of DVT's. you can't take the pill because of the estrogen if you have had a DVT because it will cause another blood clot. I wanted to make sure that when i do start my IVF that i didn't have to take the pill. When i spoke with Westmead about this in a phone conference with my GP he was the one who brought it up. They said there are other alternatives that i can take, but it might mean that my process takes a little longer thats all. I said i don't care because at the end of the day i will be having it done. I agree with bringing it back to the public system. Heck they quite happily do the TL at a public hosptial without a care or thought in the world, but when a woman wants it reversed due to a lifestyle change or medical reason or whatever reason that is personal to her, they won;t even look at you and if you do find a dr that will listen, he then turns around and makes you feel like a 2nd class person because you want to have the reversal. Cheers kiya

Didles & Kiya im pretty sure Ray cant take the pill either so when she started they did a different cycle for her. Flare cycle i think its called

yeah that sounds familiar what they said. Everything is still the same except for the pill taking part.

hi ladies,
i can't take the pill because of my blood condition, but i am with the flare cycle. I have spoken to my haematologist and doctor and they said because it's for 22 days and only for one month i will be fine.
I can't do down regulation because my lining want go thin enough. A flare cycle is take the pill for 22 days wait for a bleed then on the 2nd day take the injection for 10 days then 2 days later egg retrieval. It's shorter then a down regulation cycle and safer for me.
Ladies is better if you can take it, i tried twice with out the pill and they could not get control of my cycle. I'm taking aspirin when i start the pill again i't keeps the blood from clotting so i can take the pill.
Hi em, how you going?

ray:D

Ray, i wish it was that easy, but sadly it is not. In my case i can't take the pill because within hours i have a clot forming. As it is i am having to go back on clexane while i do my IVF because #1 i have to avoid a blood clot and #2 my endeometriosis. I'm not even allowed to take aspirin because there is a chemical in aspirin that makes me clot up. I'm now starting to consider giving up on the whole thing and living with what i've got already. Kiya

hi kiya,
I get clots too, i have had 15 in the last 6 years.
You can do a flare cycle without the pill, if anything the flare cycle is better then down regulation cycle it's a lot quicker. Thats weird that aspirin clots you up, it's supposed to thin the bleed.
Have you had any clots why you were pregnant?.
Do not give up! i have had so many set backs but thats not stopping me.

ray:D

I can't take the pill as it increase my intracranial pressure and puts un-due pressure on my already non functioning shunt. For me the pill makes too much spinal fluid and it affects my eye sight to the point where I have none. Thats why the reversal is better in a way. But at this stage I am looking at going to Melbourne for it or wait till January when my waiting period is up for health cover and see what part they will chip in for I was told that some things they assess on a case by case basis.

Hubby has changed again and at the moment I am ready to kill him! Now he is like we will wait and see what she says, he is trying not to get my hopes up as we don't know how the pregnancy will go with my shunt so that is another factor that weighs into things. I have got to the point that if the neuro-surgeon says nope I don't think it will be in your best interests health wise well I have to accept that and move on as I don't want to make the little eyesight I have left worse, but it will be hard to just give up. I think seeing or brand new neice yesterday helped so I will be dragging him to see her more often, she is only 2 days old and beautiful I couldn't put her down!

hi ladies
isn't the pill the biggest pain in the butt? I got pregnant twice on the mini pill, hence having tubes tied because there is nothing out there for me to go on. Thats why we are doing ivf so they don't have to take the clamps off.
If we did the reversal it meant that i had to have surgery, which is bad in the first place for me then after a baby had to have surgery again to place more on(fun fun fun).
Didlesdines if you do the surgery, what contraception will you go on if can't take pill?

ray:D

None, maybe a non hormone IUD, but really none, we thought that hubby could take over that bit and hope for the best.

This condition for me is fairly new, both my boys were concieved with birth control first with pill second with depo, my daughter was a broken condom. I have put my kids down to fate, that I was supposed to have them.

hi didlesdines,
i had a iud as soon it was in i was sick everyday with headaches and sickness, i had it for 1 year and couldn't stand it anymore had it taken out.
I have known about my condition for about 7 years. My dad was the carrier but he never got clots, my sister has it, i have it and i passed it on to my oldest son. It's called factor v leiden mutation, my sister and i just don't get it from my dad we have it from my mum side as well. My pa on my mum side died from a clot in the brain and his mother died from a clot in the heart. The doctor say my son should not get a clot why he's young.

ray:D

didles, hi. i think you were meant to have them too... hope that your neuro says its fine to go ahead with ivf...
kiya, i am so excited about you doing ivf, we can follow your journey...
mrs jac, still hoping for you....
karened, i had my tubes reversed the same as mumof5. i drove from sydney back to townsville 3 days after surgery. so key hole is the best option. also my sister had clips and they did the key hole surgery and she had a baby 9 months ago. so hope it works for you...
em, well getting ready for the trip... leave on the 25th... i am really excitied now. cause it will be a nice holiday for us. dh is ok with the mum thing.. (sort of)..my mum has helped us out so he was ok...atm... i will be back before you have the bub and will expect pikkies... ok. i am supposed to be having the hsg this week so it will be very interesting to see what that dr watson says and he performs the hsg.. the other dr was never interested... this year is a lot harder at uni too...
mummy25, its good that you have chosen your path... i hope you ivf goes well

Hi everyone...
Ivf is the opion for me too as I dont want another baby but i do want the clips removed, they are annoying me (I can feel them and i am starting to get worried that either one has come off or something is wrong with my left tube as it is very painfull)...
I know i am not pregnant so i cant have an eptopic to cause the pain.
I just cant wait to be rid of these clamps....
getting nervous about IVF as I see the doctor in april....
I'm determined so that will get me through.

Kiya-- dont give up on ivf you have to at least give it one try.
mumof5 - where have you dissapeared too???
luvchildren - Thankyou and i wish you the best with your Holiday...

Hey Ray good to hear from you again. Whats new down your neck of the woods???
Oh no hubby goes soon:(. Bet your not looking forward to that!

Luv...Where are you off too? We are going to the Gold Coast for 2 weeks at Christmas. Im so looking forward to it and we are staying right on the beach in Surfers on the second floor tho. Cant take the kids up high or i'll freck out the hole time worrying they might fall out the window or something. I'll have to get someones mobile number so i can send a pic to there phone and an update while im in hospital. God i hope the HSG sheads some good news/

Mummy25... Im here been painting Robs brothers new house all day today. God it brang some awesome memories back of when i painted the first house i built with my ex husband. then we got home and Seth started spewing up everywhere.
Bl00dy Robs cousin came over on friday night with his 8month old who had a gastro spewing bug. So im guessing Seth got it from them. God that pi$$es me off when people dont give a cr@p about other people and there kids and they just go about spreading there germs around.
Sorry for the vent Girls but im sure uve all been there. m angry cause there kid made him sick last week and we have just gotten him better again and we have gotten some sleep. And now we have to go thru it again. Hope the other 4 kids dont get it.

Hi all,

Thanks all for making me feel welcome

Just a quick one tonight.

Mumof5 - Im having my surgery done by Dr Cooper - I believe you also had it done by him.

Feeling pretty anxious about the up coming surgery, but I hope all goes well.
Will let you know how things go. Will let you know.

Take care

hi em,
new on my neck of the woods is, go to the royal women's next monday for our appointment and sperm sample :dance:. Sperm sample going to be interesting, we are using a condom but have to take it off before he start to ejaculate, then he does it in to a cup. Only because we are freezing his sperm.
Then start the pill in april and retrieval in may :crossfingers:
Yeah he leaves in 2 weeks and 1 day:( gone for 17 weeks i'm going to miss him, so will the kids. But then we will be moving :dance:, i'm getting very nervous with everything.
I'm the same i hate it when people bring there sick kids, all of mine get sick at the same time i just doesn't stick to one of them.
How are you going?

ray:D

Harmonie..... Yes he did my op and he also did Luvchildren aswell. Good luck. When is your op again?

Ray...that will be interesting:lol:dont spill any. This pregnancey is just so i dont really know how to explain! You know the last 2 weeks well i feel like that already.
I really cant stand it and i keep getting angry with myself. My feet and hands are ballooning and im very short of breath and just everything is to hard. And then there is being uncumfy on top of that and the pressure my god. Im so done really i am. I want it out and over and done with.

God i can winge. SORRY girls!

em,
you hands and feet have you seen a doctor. I have never been full term so i don't know what it feels like. Are bubs feet pushing on your ribs? Just think you don't have long now.

ray

Mumof5 ahhh the spreading of germs.....
now it is common sence to keep your child at home when sick.
This one hits home for me....
my son had his birthday party on the 24th feb, he had a pool party.
anyway the next day he woke up with a temp, he had a bad headache nd he felt sick (later vomited) and he slept and slept, no amount of panadol would ease his symptoms (though it did bring down his temp a little).
that afternoon my daughter got it and then my son and my youngest daughter...
Then my girlfriend called and her kids had got the bug and my sister rang and her daughter had it too, and i thought OMg could they have food poisoning???
(all the food was prepackaged except the cake which a baker made)...
Then my sons friend started calling she wanted to come over for a swim and I tried to explain that the kids were Ill but she did not understand so she put her mum on and I explained it to her....
Mum said ohhh my daughter had that on friday, she was very Ill....
I said nothing but i was fuming......
her daughter had it on friday came to the party saturday and given it to most of the kids. (about 4 others had been confirmed as having it, the other 8 I dont know)
What stupid B###h would bring her child to a pool party when she knew she was still Infected.... (she didnt even eat anything which confirms she was not better)...
I tell you I'm still peed that I have not let the girl back over to playyet as i know give me 5 mins with the mum and i know I'll let it rip, her choices made heaps of children sick and made me think I had given them food poisioning which would never happin as I'm very carefull with food (chuck leftovers out within 2 days after making it if left uneaten)....

some people have no brains if it was my children they would not have been allowed to go NO WAY... (off to isolation for them and they stay untill better)
what also Pi###s me off is that she only has one child, so the dumb B####h does not have to worry about her daughter giving it to her siblings....
sorry but it too makes me very cranky that some people have no morals, no sence, and no brains....
If you get the bug mumof5 please go back to the parents and give them a nice kiss on the cheak and be sure to give them the germs back, then maybe they will think twice next time when they are knee deap in the toilet themselves....
(I would have let her over to repay her kindness but I was just too mad with the kids sick that the thought never entered my mind).....

Ok I must admit that last line was pretty horrible and I probebly would not have done it had i thought of it at the time, But it sure sounded good and made me feel a little better just for saying it...
sorry I have Just finished 3 nights straight (night duty) and i tend to not sleep much at all, so i am afraid I am brutelly honest and cant help but tell it like it is when tired... like I did when
the poor girl at mcdonalds forgot half my order ( I got hotcakes and she gave me no cutlery, no butter, and no syrup -only the pancakes in their box) i drove home and had to turn around and go back tired and cranky, when I got there she did give me my replacement syrup, butter, and cutlery but did not appologise and I could not resist but to say to her "normally when one does something wrong they appologise, I shall show you how it is done, sorry for not giving you your syrup,butter and cutlery, and sorry for making you drive back to the restaurant wasting petrol which these days is rather expensive, and sorry for making you go home and eat cold pancakes"
her reply was " yep all that"
what The????
I grabbed my bag and left and she got the LOOK....
A simple sorry would have been fine....
anyone else had their meal orders stuffed Up???

I have to say "touch wood" that our kids don't get sick too often but I know what you mean by the parents just letting them come over when only just recovering. My BIL and his family are always sick, but that could be an excuse to not see us:cry: they had a new baby the begining of december and the last time I saw him was christmas, I call to arrange something and the phone doesn't get answered even at 7pm, they don't phone us either they ring hubby sister and ask how we are?

em, will have hsg on wednesday at 2.30pm. will be very interesting.... will post wednesday night. i thought i had let you know i am going to spain for five weeks with all the kids.... have family over there. should be very interesting... hey em, how much salt intake are you having atm? even though pregnancy is renound for having swollen limbs maybe you don't have enough salt intake. sorry about your children being sick. i know the feeling... one gets it, they all get it. not so much the older ones now but the little ones are prone.
harmonie, yeh i had mine done my cooper too. i have had two ectopic since then, but my tubes were cut, not clips.

mumof5 - your quiet, hope you didnt get that bug???
everything ok?
kiya -- your quiet too????
where did everyone go???
:(

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Ohhh heartburn city hear and cant breath either. Not been that great the last few days. When to hospital on monday cause i have been getting some really ouch! Pains. They said i was in really really early labour but to just sit tight not much we can do and gave me a steriod shot. Then the next minute i was having a ECG and a Eco cardigramWTF. Talk about cr@pping myself. I left at about 6pm with the all clear.
Then yesterday i spent half the day at day care trying to get my little one used to it. Got home and was making lunch and the phone rang. This lady was on the other end ranting where are you! you have an emergency lung scan in 30minutes my god WTF! Im like whats going on you are scaring me i didnt know of any scan. Bl00dy hell so called rob to come home and luck he was close to home. Went in and they said that my left ventical value was not working to good and they were looking for blood clots.
So by this time i was pretty scared. I had to breathe in this gas stuff twice and be scanned. Then they gave me a needle with some stuff in it and then this big machine came over me and then started coming down on me. God i didnt think it was going to stopping so i was getting readly to do the army roll but it stopped just short of my tummy and nose. So i go back in the morning to get all my results.
The bug is still slowly going thru the hole house and im so pi$$ed off. Rob and seth are over it now but Bryce has it today GRR!Going crazy. No rest for me and plenty of cleaning to be done.

em, thats really full on you poor thing. i had hsg. left side now clear, but i remember at the reversal he said blood supply to ovary is compromised to left side so it may not be ovulating. right one didn't look so good and it was painful this time. he said they are never conclusive.. so wait six months or so. its okay i have patience.

Hey Luv why dont you try clomid just to regulate things

Not good mumof5.....
plenty of hot water in your bucket (to clean with, as will kill germs)....
remember always wash hands after touching anything and before eating, wash with warm to hot water, as hot as you can handle and soap which you rub in for about a minute, dont forget to soap in between fingers.....
hot water in dishwasher, and hot water in washing machine (both will kill germs)...
dont forget toilet seat warm to hot water with disinfectant (glen 20 spray, will do too).
If you have gloves (disp) use them when handling spew bucket or clothes/linen infected with spew....and pull them off from inside of one glove, dont touch outside at all....
my kids all empty their own spew buckets, not in toilet but laundry sink, i do this to minimise infection, then i wash down the sink with disinfectant and i breath into my shirt too (germs can be airborn with vomit but depends on bug)....
I am fanantic I know but i never get there bugs, hubby does though as he is more a hands on cuddly person when they are sick where as I say while they need that attention it is best to avoid that kind of contact unless you have a mask and gloves, and aprin especially with gastro as it is highly contagious.
I learnt all this in training as a nurse (infection control).
I hate vomiting, wont even let myself get drunk only tipsy as I'm afraid i will Hurl... I hope the scans come back ok.

how is everyone else doing in here????

wow....i have internet problems and the place falls apart. gees Em, can't do things by halves can ya. So how did all the results go? Take it easy. Kiya

Kiya ...I know its just been one thing after another. Just got home from the hospital and my right ventical value that pumps blood to my lungs isnt doing that great because of the increased blood flow from being pregnant.
So they are going to reasses it in 2 week and decide what to do.
What do you girls think of the name (Brielle Alexis Denice Todd). Had to have the name Denice after my mum,doesnt really go but it will keep her happy

Emm, I am sorry to hear that you are not feeling well. I ended up in hospital myself on Sunday with severe stomach and back pain. Just let me know if I can help you out. If I am not working I will come straight away.

Ang

Em.... wowie that's not good. Are they thinking of bringing bub on early ? About the name it sounds nice, but i guess i'm also very partial to mackenzie as well. :-) kiya

I like the name mumof5 but i have never heard of the first name.

:(not having ivf......:(
my partner does not want too do it now.....
he said i could have reversal done though but he dont want to go through ivf....
so i'm back to square one....
Men........
hope everyone is doing ok.

mumof5 where did you go for reversal? who do i see (doctor) and how much was it?
I cant afford $7600 but could maybe go to $3000 but have to do it in july?
If he does not change his mind on that one too.

sorry to hear that mummy25......we are going through with the IVF, but my GP yesterday said i have to wait 8 weeks and have another u/s to see hoe my endometriosis is going and that it hasn't flared to much, and if it hasn't then all systems go. I had been getting some lower pain over the past week with some very light spotting so went to get it all checked out. don;t mind the wait as i have waited this long. Plus we might fingers crossed be able to tie it all in with the new house. Cheers kiya

Thanks crazymum i must get around to calling you again one day.
Im not to sure what the plan is but im guessing they have said they
will look at it in another 2 weeks cause they want the baby to stay
in there as long as possible. I told the doctor im done take it out now.
I'll just nik home and grab my bag and where right to go. And he laughed
A$$HOLE!

Mummy25...WTF strand your ground and tell him how it is. I went thru Dr Cooper in Sydney

Mummy25 I know how you feel my hubby is doing that too but giong from yep lets do it to nope not sure about this. I hate periods!!!!!! I have spotting tonight only about 17 days since my last period nothing huge just spotting but only positive there was PMT or cramping or back ache it just happened???? WHY????
Mumof5 I am hoping things get better for you sounds like you are having a bad run, letting you know that you are in my thoughts and lots of hugs sent your way.

Congrats kiya on IVF....
I will have to stand my ground with him mumof5 (currently I'm giving him No s#x and i believe this may work in my favour???)
I'm still smoking and I think he is backing off because of this too.
I promised to give up but am finding it rather difficult (patches and gum time I think)...
men they always change their mind, or cant make up their mind either one.
but us women are smarter than they think....

funny you should say about your period, mine just finished, it began on the 3rd of march.
doc wants me on the pill to regulate them as I am bleeding for too long.
I had t/l to avoid taking the pill and now i have had it done I still have to take it grrrr.
a side affect of the T/L longer periods.
before i had it done i only had them for 3 -4 days tops....