But it's such a huge subject (the cruelty one) that I just think it's more "deserving" of a thread unto it's own. I don't eat red meat for ethical reasons.... haven't for 20 years.... but I also think margarine is totally disgusting and believe it's important to try to focus on one issue at a time... imagine if we end up having a great discussion about animal cruelty yet no one will realise it's hidden in the margaine thread. I guess this is just the anal retentive coming out in me LOL