Reply With Quotethat is correct from my understanding but you also get FTB part a and FTB part b and maybe even rent assistance too
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i'm just curious because i was looking at the centrelink website and i was reading that the maximum payment u can get as a partnered parenting payment is $405.60 but i would just like to know why that is because that is wat u get on newstart and shouldn't it be more if u have a baby? just doesnt seem to make sense
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that is correct from my understanding but you also get FTB part a and FTB part b and maybe even rent assistance too
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Yeah, thats the parenting payment. Its actually not all that much more if your single.
But then there's family tax Benifit Part A & Part B. So look up the max rates for those & you'll have more of an idea. They are based on your financial yearly income. It should tell you on the centrelink website how it all works & how much you can make before it affects your payments.
Then there is also Rent assistance if you are entitled.
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parenting payment partnered is at a lesser rate than any of the single payments (newstart single rate etc) - as are ANY partnered payments. it's simply because a partnered person has shared responsibility for things like gas, electricity, so can halve those expenses
a partnered newstart cust, getting only newstart, is on the same rate. some will get higher rate as their rent assistance is paid with newstart. in a family situation, most rent assistance is paid with ftb as the family assitance act pays at a higher rate than the soccial security act
parenting payment is an INCOME SUPPORT PAYMENT - it is NOT there to help pay for raising your children - that is what family tax benefit is for
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The parenting payment also depends on what you earn. I don't know if it's for couples as well, but as a single parent I have to report my income each fortnight. I think it also cuts out when your youngest child is around 6 - 8.
parenting payment is an INCOME SUPPORT PAYMENT - it is NOT there to help pay for raising your children
Is this an oxymoron ? (always wanted to use that word in a sentence). Income support, income, benefits etc it all goes to raising children in some way.
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i do understand that its just if its the same payment as newstart why dont they just call it that coz parenting payment sounds like its for raising ur children and is my partner going to get ppp or will he still be on newstart all of this is just 2 confusing for me maybe i should just worry about it after bub comes
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dont want to hi-jack, just curious... when they say 'partnered' does this include husband/wife as being partnered?
hope that makes sense!
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yes it includes hubby/wife. It is any partner (de facto, fiance, married etc)
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Thanks MissyMoo
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income support is to get you to basic minimum wage. it isn't there to support you raising your children - it is there to help you meet minimum living requirements. you get the same amount of payment as someone on newstart, or with two partners both on newstart. it isn't there to help you raise your children - there is no additional amount paid because you have children. it is to cover the essentials of living - rent, electricity, gas. the difference between PPP and newstart is that you dont' have to have a mutual obligation activity (looking for work, studying etc) if you are on PPP - you are able to remain on PPP until your youngest child turns six.
PPP is only payable to ONE member of a couple, the primary carer. income limits are however significantly different for a PPP recipient and a newstart recipient. for newstart allowance, the maximum combined income for a couple is around $800 a fn (ballpark), and it doesn't matter which person earns it. for PPP, the income limits are UP TO around $1400 but are dependent on who earns it (if payee earns around $700 it cuts out completely, but if they earn nothing, the first $700 ish that their partner earns does not impact the payee's payment - it is a sliding scale from there until it cuts out at approx $1400 - the actual calculations are long and boring and i'm not going to include them here - but you can, as JwithJ did - go and have a look at the estimators)
all earned income for ANYONE on an income support payment needs to be reported to avoid debts being raised
as i said earlier - these are for BASIC living expenses - the ones you have whether you have kids or not. same as parenting single - as a single person on newstart, you'd get a similar level of payment. disability payment (for a single) is exactly the same. the portion of your payment that is there to help you with the additional costs of raising your children are the FTB payments.
so no, it's not an oxymoron - income support is there for YOU - it is there to support YOUR income whilst you are not working (or working minimal hours or low wage) - not the raising of your children - that is what you receive FTB, and hopefully maintenance, for. FTB is an add on payment for low income families (whether on income support or not) to help with raising their children. maintenance should come from the other parent
JwithJ - if your partner is on newstart he will stay on newstart with the same obligations (job seeker, work for the dole etc) as he is currently on - ONLY the primary carer will qualify for PPP. in most cases this is the mother when a child is young, but as the child grows, if mum is more employable than dad, she will go to work, and dad will go on PPP. it all depends on who has primary responsibility for the children really
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BG got in first. Not much point me trying to explain it!
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i did read your post before you edited!
basically a couple of points you raised that should be covered
rent assistance is payable with newstart if you only receive an income support payment - when you have a kidlet, it is payable with FTB as the allowable rent assitance amounts are higher under Family Assistance Law than Social Security Law. it is payable with only ONE payment per couple, so generally it will be paid with your FTB payment unless for some reason you are getting minimal FTBA, in which case it will be paid with the income support of the FTB payee.
when you are partnered, if one is on Newstart, one on Parenting Payment (whether defacto, married whatever) you will be on the same rate of payment.
FWIW - it was mentioned in this post (before it was edited - just as i hit "quote" i'm sure!) that FTB is paid on the opposite week to income support payments. this is a CHOICE - you can have all your payments on the same week, but it means going a fortnight between payments, most income support recipients CHOOSE to receive payments weekly (so ISP one week, FTB the opposite) as it is easier to live knowing you only have to budget for 7 days. fewer people "run out" of money for essentials this way
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Sorry BG!
XH & I were never entitled to payments at the same time, so I didn't know about RAS only being paid to one.
& yeah I think I do remember choosing the f/n option, but it was near 7 years ago. I was actually still on YA for a few weeks after DD1 was born. Til I had to go into the office for something & they noticed it.
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