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I am glad it's settled down for you. I am up to my third dose today and so far I don't feel any different so I am guessing I am not going to notice anthing untoward.
I pray this helps us get the little miracles we are hoping for!
Have a great day Michelle
Good luck Deb. Keep us posted how you are going.
May we all be blessed.
Debbie
Wishing you all the best of luck.
Deb sounds like you might get a good run with the clomid, I remember when I was on it I had terrible hot flushes ~ not very nice at all & always turned up when you least needed them to as well.
Hi Debbie,How are you going???? You have been in my thoughts. I hope all is good.
Michelle - how are you??? Have you got signs of ovulation yet??? I am cd11 and just started to see some ewcm. Yippee!!! Much more than ususal. No positive on the opk yet - teeny tiny second line. Maybe tomorrow?? I would love to hear how you are and compare notes!
Big hugs to you both.
Hi Deb!! Just starting to get some EWCM myself. Will start using OPK tomorrow (I think - although I am currently on a 30 day cycle so it may be better to do Thursday). Only problem I have is that I am on night shift Wed / Thurs so I have no idea when to test!!! Other than that - just feeling a little hot (mostly at night) but otherwise nothing out of the ordinary. Roll on ovulation around Saturday!!! Are you feeling OK otherwise??
Hi Michelle,
No no symptoms, maybe a bit crotchity????
Okay, so do you have a 30 day cycle on Clomid? Does that mean you ovulate on cd16? I am interested as clomid very often throws 28 day cycles and that's what I am hoping for!Let's think sticky healthy happy baby vibes for us this month.
Where are you Debbie - AngelBabies3?
My cycle has been 30 days on and off since Caitlyn was born. I think it is my body trying to get back to a Saturday AF so I may have a 28 days cycle (it was prior to pregnancy) this cycle but I just don't know anymore. It just means DTD lots over the weekend to cover all bases!!
I completely understand the crotchity bit - this cycle is OK but last cycle was awful. I was moody, teary and completely not my usual self.
Are you a nurse too Michelle? The night duty thing had me wondering???
Here's loads of sticky vibes for all you wonderful women this cycle.
Thanks Kirsty. We need every bit of help and positive vibes we can get.
Yep Deb - an Emergency one. I amuse my gynae by having read lots before seeing him and asking the right questions (like how will 6 cycles of clomid effect my endometrial lining and change the CM ;)) I was in education and clinical but back doing just clinical at the moment. This may change soon but I really do like what I do (on most days - some are a little more difficult)
Sorry Deb. Have been a bit busy.
Well, currently on CD24 and I am expecting AF to arrive either on CD28 or 29. Not sounding too hopeful am I?
Had a day 21 progesterone test on Monday, should get results today or tomorrow (I was actually day 22 when they did the test). I wanted to try and check whether they think I am ovulating (or at least whether I did this cycle). I had plenty of EWCM around days 13 to 16 or 17. Temp did show a rise although nothing impressive. Went from steady 36.3 to a more or less constant 36.5 on CD16 onwards. Got couple of positive results with one brand of OPK and almost a positive with the other brand around days 14-16 (yep still trying both brands at the same time!!!!!). So hopefully the test results will also point to confirming that I ovulated. Had some stomach pains on Sunday (CD21) which is usual for me in the build up for AF. Trying like hard to stay optimistic but somehow I don't htink we have done it this time. Beginning to think that we should maybe start to consider stopping as everyday that passes means another day older for me now and when a baby would be born.
Boobs still tender, and my hair is so lank and dull. Keep thinking that these are good signs but also don't want to get my hopes up.
Glad to hear you are doing well. Hope this works for you ASAP so you can stop those injections. Don't forget to let me know if and when you get some great news. I will do the same.
Your friend as ever.
Debbie
Hugs sweetie Debbie you sound a bit blue. Don't you give up now if this isn't your month it's gonna be really soon - okay. I know the age thing gets to me sometimes too but I was talking to a woman at playgroup today and she was 42 when she had her first and is now expecting #2 at 45! Gorgeous and inspirational. Our eggs are gorgeous beautiful healthy baby making machines! Think good egg thoughts...
I am not on injections Debbie just oral Clomid - I took it from cd2-cd6 I will be on injections (clexane - simply a blood thinner) and asprin from a positive preg test - due to my history of losses.
I take everything back about no symptoms I am a she devil at the moment. CRANKY and horrid. Urggghhhh. I pray this is the month for the three of us.
The three Musketeers!!!!
Michelle - Emergency nursing, I enjoyed my stints in there not so great in small country hospitals - I found that a bit scary and unsupported. I am sure you know what I mean!
It's so nice to have met you both. Everyone has to keep their spirits up and positive thoughts happening.
Love to you both
Oh, sorry, didn't realise you were taking the Clomid orally. So the yucky bit is to come! I guess you should be used to it being a nurse but the thought of injecting yourself! YuK! Still, the things we will do on our quest to hold a happy and healthy child. It really is mother's love. But cranky and horrid! Not you surely!? Hang in there Deb. Good job your husband is such a rock.
Not really feeling that blue, I guess I am getting used to the idea that it may NOT happen and yet at the same time still trying. I'm not really being negative just realistic. I am totally calm about it. A neighbour of mine has no children. She is 52 now. They stopped trying when she was 45. Many M/C both naturel pregnancies and IVF. Her husband wasn't keen to try a donor egg. Now I know that we are not exactly the same as she has never had any luck with carrying a child and also found it hard to get pregnant in the first place. But I remember after she lost her final pregnancy that she said that she was looking at taking a new direction in life as she knew she had to stop at some point. At least I know that I can get pregnant easily and carry to full term and my losses have not been age or genetically related so we will certainly hang in there for now. But, the time may come......
On a lighter note, positive vibes to you all. I have always been a believer in "be careful what you wish for, as it surely will come true." It has usually worked for me in the past.
Hugs to you Deb, Michelle and everyone TTC.
PAML here we come!
Debbie
Debbie - you may think as nurses injecting will be fine BUT I am such a sook. I can give an injection without flinching but the taking is not thrilling me. But as you say, the things we do to have a healthy baby. I hope you are doing OK.
Deb - how's the CM?? Any more signs?? OPK yesterday showed a darker line than today but today was after a night so I am not sure what credence to give the result. I guess I'll try it again tomorrow and BD anyway!!
Have a lovely night girls.
Michelle71, you are not a sook!!! I don't know how you give someone else a jab let alone yourself!!!!!!!! I'm fine and thanks for asking. AF is due in a day or so and my slight tummy pains and frequent trips to the loo tell me she will be here again for sure.
On a positive note, the results from my day 21 progesterone test point towards me having ovulated. I had a level of 26.31 on day 22 and the DR. said that was fine and said it was indicative of me having ovulated this cycle. So at least I can be sure that is happening as all the other signs point that way too (EWCM, temp jump, positive OPK'S). So we will keep going and hope for the best.
Happy trying guys,
Debbie
Debbie - I hope you are wrong about AF but at least you have the positive of ovulating this cycle.
Deb - how are you doing??
Me - faint line on OPK and my CM seems to have vanished into the ether!?! I doubt I could have ovulated early (well this early anyway) so I am hoping we haven't missed the eggy. DH and I should be able to get some time together tonight so hopefully all is not lost.
Hi everyone,
I haven't posted recently, it's been two weeks on Monday since D&C and I've been trying to not worry about ttc and what's ahead too much. Unfortunately, yesterday I decided to do a HCG test just to check up on whether hormones have sorted themselves out, I'm still showing a VERY STRONG POSITIVE so I gather it's going to take longer than expected which has put me on a downer. But then, I get on this thread and you have no idea how much it has lifted my spirits, I've quickly picked myself back up and realise that it will happen when it's ready. Not just for me but for all of us.
Wishing you all a BFP very soon.
thanks again
AF is arriving. Only very light at the moment (only when I go to the loo). Didn't want it until at least tomorrow. May have a chat with GP about LP again. Or am I clutching at straws?!!!
Want to make sure that everything is at least working properly in case we are busy TTC for nothing. Here I go again - so impatient.
Lilylou - glad to hear you are OK. Sorry to see you back in this section but I hope we will all be out of it again soon.
Best wishes,
Debbie
P.S. How are you Deb?
Hi Michelle and Debbie and Lilylou too!
This seems to be our little chat corner! I have been away for 4 days at the beach fishing and reading and sleeping and playing. It was just lovely. I needed it and so did my husband. We are pretty knackered!
Well, I haven't ovulated yet according to my sticks. I am cd17! What is going on?????? I felt for sure I would have o'd much earlier than this. I have been getting second lines but they are no where near a positive. I am feeling pretty low about it I can tell you. I will phone George tomorrow and get some advice.
What about you Michelle? How are you doing? I am with you on the self jabbing thing. It's a very different deal jabbing yourself. I know when I had gt with Eva I even had difficulty doing a finger ***** (I will deny this if anyone asks but just between us it's true!). We'll be find though Michelle. I am looking forward to hearing how you are going.
Debbie I am sorry that you have your period. So, what does that make your luteal phase? Debbie do you have an gynae? Yes a s.prog. level of 26 does indicate that ovulation occured however a level over 40 indicates a pretty good everything aokay ovulation. Because you have been closely monitoring your fertility using opk's and temps etc for a number of months my hunch is that you need a little further asessment. I am guessing your prog. is lowered because your lp is shortened. I would urge you to just get a consult with a gynae. Again, tell me to go away if I am being too direct. This LP could be a result of post partum cycles taking time to correct.
Lilylou good to see you in here. It would be worth getting a serum quantatative hcg done just to see what your levels are. I am glad youhave popped in and before too long we will all be holding baby's in our arms for sure.
Sorry this is short, I have got a mile of emails to answer now the kids are asleep.
Lots of love to you all
Deb, you must be a mind reader. Went to GP today and got referral for specialist. He's away at the moment so appointment is for the 5th of Sept. Just want to chat with him about possible LP defect and generally pick his brains. Do not want to go down the IVF path. Too stressful and costly and not just myself and husband to consider - the kids as well. But he is the one in the know. Don't want to just hear about the age issue as I did with the GP today. My normal doc. is away and didn't want to wait until she got back. Only wanted the referral anyway. I know I am getting older and I can't change that but if there is something that I can or need to change I want to find out about it! Do you know what I mean. Who knows, may not need the appointment if we are lucky. Must stay positive right.
Deb, you asked about my LP. Well, counting the day I first see the positive on the OPK and up to and including the last day of my cycle they have been as follows (since last October) - 11, 12, 13, 14, 14, 15, 16, 14, 14,13. I am guessing that I ovulate the day after seeing positive OPK so if that is so, you can knock one day off those numbers. For the cycles which would have been Jan (14), Feb (15) Mar (16, Apr (14) i was using the progesterone cream. For almost all the cycles I have been taking B6 and for the last 3 cycles I have been using vitex as well. I have only been temping for the past 2 cycles. Gosh, what a lot of information!!!
Bring back the days of sex for the hell of it and hopefully if we're lucky we might have a baby - but if not we'll have had fun anyway!!!!
Love to you all,
Debbie
I hear you about sex for the fun of it!!! I am over it at the moment I can tell you!!!
I am really happy that you got an appointment. I won't be at all surprised if you don't need it! That old adage that once you make an appt voila!!!! I hope so.
I still don't know what's happening for me. I ran into my ob and he'll phone later in the day. Didn't think a meeting was the best time to talk about my menstrual cycle!!!!
I am feeling pretty down in the dumps today. It will be interesting to see what my cd21 test shows - we'll repeat later in the month if it's low. It is possible that I ovulated earlier in my cycle - I have a love hate relationship with opk's however given my raised levels of lh (supposedly anyhow!) due to the clomid I would have thought I would get a nice firm positive.
Blah blah blah!!!!
I have to try and remain positive but today's a blah day! I have some papers to mark so I must go but I was so glad to hear from you.
Sorry Deb I missed something!
Those lp look pretty okay really. But still I think you will be grateful for some further assessment. Thanks for sharing your figures.
Hugs
Always here for you Deb. But don't worry, we all get those kind of days. I haven't had one for a while so I should be due for one hell of a blah day!!!
Hugs as always,
Debbie
Michelle, how are you going?
You too Lilylou?
Debbie
Hi,
I just can't believe it when I read these posts, it's like I'm ready my own posts?? I too, 'assume' I have a LP problem, so I booked into an ob's in May and told him what 'I thought', showed him my cycling charts, he told me all looks fine, according to charts, I'm ovulating and he didn't think there was a problem with my LP. Said to come back in 6months if I still haven't fallen pregnant, look at clomid? All of the same, I put myself on vitex for 'my' analysis on my LP and fell pregnant that month. (Have been taking Vit B6 for last 8 months or so). My LP's vary, 12,11,12,11,17,11,12,12,10,11,12, I've worked this out as when I see +, i normally o the next day, so I record LP the day after, so 2 days after +. (crikey's, am I a freak LOL). Although I feel this is short, Ob said it was OK. ?? Debbie, your LP looks really good. I'm thinking of going back now and requesting clomid, not sure why, just panicking I think. Don't want this to take too long.
Deb, I am so depressed today as well, not so much about m/c, but I feel 'ugly and revolting'. I've never looked my age up until recent, now I feel it's just hit me. I also think I'm having a few hormone issues still as I'm moody as.
I have a very complicated question for you all, what are your opinions on ovulation past day 20. The reason I've asked is I have read that if ovulation happens on or after day 20, eggs are 'geriatric' (as if I need to hear that ?) and there is a higher risk of abnormalties and m/c etc.??? I know that I'm not too far off ovulating since D&C two weeks ago, I was going to try straight away but that would mean it will be around or over 20 days since D&C, does this mean egg is geriatric and I am taking a risk??? I know I'm impatient, but just can't afford to waste the months, but this geriatric egg business has got me worried. What do you know about this, it confuses me as some people have long cycles, so how do they fall pregnant with healthy bubs if this was the case.
thanks all for listening
Lilylou (I need to put signature back up)
Lilylou, I have those ugly days too. I have just had my hair cut short again after months of trying to grow it. Boy, did I feel younger as those locks fell off. Just cheered me up no end.
I don't know a lot about it but I don't think it matters whether you 'O' early or late in a cycle as long as LP is long enough. In the medical profession our eggs are already 'geriatric' (not sure on the spelling of that!) anyway due to our "advanced maternal age!!!!!". So whether you 'O' early or late won't change that. Please someone out htere correct me if I'm wrong. All information is appreciated.
Take care anyway and keep your chin up. Spoil yourself. New haircut, facial, sauna. Do something for you. It will make all the uglies go away.
Best wishes as always,
Debbie
Hi Lilylou good to hear from you.
Well there is a bit of a thing about eggs past cd20. This is thought to be a two pronged thing. Yes, the eggs have been hanging out a bit too long and also that your endometrium (womb lining) isn't optimal for implantation.
However, all of that said I have a close friend who ovulates late (cd19-21) and she has 2 healthy kids! You will hear from many women on here that ovulate very late. Jodie from Lullaby conceived one of her kids on cd50 or something like it.
I would tend to go with it. If you feel like making love go for it. If you catch an egg then woo hoo if not then perhaps it was a little too mature and next month you can try again. I know how hard it is. It's frustrating and at times heartbreaking.
As Debbie says, try and look after you. Get a massage, manicure, hair cut - lunch with the girls. You deserve it.
I tell you guys PAML isn't gonna know what hit them when the four of us get in there!!!!
Hugs hugs and more hugs....
Thanks Debbie,
Definetly doing something about my hair, needs colouring and cutting, way too long, I don't normally have long hair but decided to grow it, it's around 4 inches past my shoulders and looks sh***. I know that will lift me. I'm hoping is doesn't matter when you ovulate as well, have a feeling is does though.
must go and cook dinner now and think about a new 'hair style' for myself.
catch up soon
Thanks Deb,
Not everyone has a typical 28 day cycle, so of course people will ovulate later. It's amazing how they can say past 20 days is too old, yet lots still have healthy babys. I don't understand how the egg has been hanging around too long. The eggs have been there all of our lifes so what does this mean. Do they release on the same day each month with everyone, waiting for ovulation? Sorry, I'm not very good on female reproductive system?
speak soon
I agree with some of what you say and it can sound a little confusing. I will try to explain it as best I can...
In the first half of your cycle - known as the follicular stage a follicle or cluster of cells in the ovary which contain the eggs grow from a tiny size about the size of the top of a pin to about the size of a green pea. It is known to happen that the eggs ripen at around day 14. Just prior to the moment of ovulation when this follicle bursts open and releases the egg the body produces lutenising hormone LH - this is the hormone that causes the follicle to burst. This process is known as the LH surge. Once the follicle bursts the egg is released and this is ovulation.
The egg then enters the fallopian tubes where hopefully it encounters a friendly sperm and the two become one (so to speak). Fertilisation usually happens in the tubes and then gradually the fertilised egg makes its way to the uterus where it becomes embedded over a period of days.
The issue with ovulating past day 20 or so - let's not be too static with days is that this egg has matured in the follicle and is now sitting there getting older - do you follow? Had the egg matured and then released as it 'should' on cd14 then the egg would be fresh - as the days go along the egg is that little bit older - kind of like if you break an egg and cook it straight away it's fresher than if you break it and leave it to cook at a later time.
Now, having said that it could be argued (and it often is) that some women naturally ovulate later - I am a case in point. I have never had a cycle where I ovulate on cd14. My usual is cd16,17,18. Some women are later. These late ovulators it could be argued are normal for them and their eggs are as they should be - with the whole process starting a little later in the month for them.
Science however tells us that generally the freshest eggs are released around cd14, so therefore cd20 is getting up there.
If we talk of facts and the mechanics then the closer to cd14 ovulation occurs the better. However maybe the late ovulators don't ripen up until later so in fact their eggs aren't 'hanging around'. Science does debate that one too. Do you follow???
Again, I would go with the flow if you feel the urge go for it and if you conceive then that's wonderful.
I hope I have helped and not confused you more. If you need more explaination ask me and I will try to help.
Hi Girls
I've been reading this topic with interest as I suspect I've got problems with my LP as well.
Before I had my first child (we had to interrupt a pregnancy due to spina bifida at 20w6d in Feb) my LP's were 14 days, now in the 2 months I've been charting so far I've had a LP of 11 days, and last month we had a chemical pregnancy......
If I have another 11 day LP I'm going to see my doctor and demand some testing.
As for O day, Before Amy, I had 18, 22, 20, after Amy it's been 26 & 21.... So far I'm on CD 12, but not expecting O till at least CD 20...
I'm only 27, but I still feel the urgency to become a mother...
You think that when you get pregnant and you make it to a certain time frame that you're home free..... if only it was that easy.
I'm temping and have just purchased some OPK's.....
Hi Saph, again I am so sorry for the loss of your Amy.
About your LP - it really is 'normal' to have a shortened LP post delivery. It can and often does take a few months to get back on track.
You are wise to seek out the opinion of a gynae who will no doubt do a S.progesterone level in your next cycle 7 days before your next expected period or 7 dpo. I would urge you to get a S.progesterone level done even before you see a gynae - your gp can organise this.
OPK's and charting will give you a good indicator of what is happening and that will give you hard information for your doctor when you see her/him.
I am glad you are taking things into your own hands and getting checked out, I feel sure given your age and that you have not long ago birthed that it probably is due to birthing. However, if you don't feel you want to wait it out and hope each month ( then further assessment is definitely a good idea.
I wish you all the best Saph and hope that soon you tell us the news of a positive test and together we can all (our little group in here is growing!!!) travel the path together of growing healthy live babies...
Big hugs
Evening Deb, Debbie, Lilylou and Saph!! Wow - we are collecting a little group.
Thank you for asking about me!! I've been on nights and weird shifts (just got home from an extra evening) but still managed to DTD around ovulation!!!!! Yay!!! LOTS of slippery CM which is a little odd (haven't had that much on the clomid this time around) but good. DH just can't keep up with his *chores*. OPK had 2 lines but no surge as such (lines were not the same or darker) but I was on nights so I will just follow by body and its symptoms. Still have LIF and RIF pain intermittently so who knows which side I ovulated on but it could still be a good sign.
I hope you are all doing well and I'll chat to you soon. Poor PAML - what are they in for!?!?!
Thanks for the welcome guys.
Deb, you are a fountain of knowledge :)
x fingers Michelle :)
Thanks Saph!! :)
Hi Michelle,
What cd do you believe you ovulated on?
Just interested as I haven't detected a surge. My ob thinks it would be highly unlikely for me not to have o'd. I think I o'd yesterday. I am confused and will wait for the results of s.prog on cd21 on Friday (results won't be in until Monday - we're on country time up here!)
Let's hope we caught healthy strong eggs this month.
hugs from me
Hi Deb
CD 15 or 16 I think. I have been getting ovarian pains since Monday and I usually get them a day or so after ovulation. I never got a LH surge though - even when I did get pregnant. I was thinking of going to get a s.prog on CD 21 too (which is also Friday). I just want to be sure I am ovulating even though the physical signs were very good. Prior to clomid my s.prog was not so hot so I am hoping it is greater on the drug.
Fingers crossed for the healthy eggs meeting some good looking sperm!!
Just tell me to go away if this is too many questions!
Did you have pelvic discomfort on the clomid - prior to when you felt 'ovulatory pain'? I don't get a detectable lh surge very often either. However I expected to this month and so far no good! I got strong second lines on cd9 and cd10 which is just after I began to experience noticable pelvic discomfort both R) and L) IF and then nothing until a few days ago when again I am getting strong second lines...
My ob is pretty damn sure of himself (I am laughing) and says he'll walk naked down the main street if I didn't ovulate around cd12,13 or 14.
What were your progesterone levels prior to clomid?
It's good to talk to someone who is experiencing the same thing at the same time and compare 'notes' a bit. I hope that's okay?
Hugs to you and here's to good progesterone levels!
Hi everyone,
Well today I got a true positive opk. I can't even believe it. CD20. This means that I am ovulating later on Clomid than naturally! I just don't get it. I had my prog. level done today as I need to "prove" to my ob that I o'd later as he seems quite certain that I o'd early.
I will phone tomorrow for my results and let you all know what they were.
I will make a time to see him late next week to review what the go is...
I have had a shocker of a 24 hours. I got a phone call from an icu ward in Brisbane to say my dad had been admitted - he had a massive bleed. Gastroenterologist couldn't find the cause as the blood loss was so great. He went to theatre with really not much hope of a good outcome. The blood was going in almost as quick as it was going out.
Anyway he made it through theatre and is progressing well. I can't believe it - the tough old bugger! The surgeon spoke to me today and said it was a 'miracle' after what he had been through that he has survived. Anyway he's not out of the woods yet but I think he will be okay.
It is all the more messy because I haven't seen my dad for 7 years. He kinda dropped off the planet - he had made me power of attorney years ago and now I am left to run his business and organise affairs until he can again. Oh wow it never rains it pours.
I've had better days my loves - anyway the good thing about rain is that there is always a rainbow...
Hi Deb - I'm a nurse. There is nothing you can ask that I won't answer ;) I value the honest approach and it is the only way people around me have been *normal* since Caitlyn's birth.
I was getting a heavy feeling in the pelvis, not specifically on either side but just a general congested feeling in the week before ovulation. My progesterone levels prior to clomid were 19 (I think - they were just inside the parameters of normal). My gynae told me I ovulate - just not well. LOL Charming!!! Your guy sounds lovely (even if he is too ****y for his own good!!!) I so hope you get to take him up on that dare!!!
Is your Dad any better?? I am hoping your rainbow appears VERY soon.
P.S. Ask any questions you like - I really don't mind and it is lovely to have someone in a similar position.