Trying to Conceive after Miscarriage or Loss April 2007

Hello Ladies,

Wow you have been talking today!!

Lalla - Welcome! So sorry about your loss, and hope that things start to turn around for you really really soon. Sounds like you have had a very hectic few months!

Claudia - Welcome too! So sorry for what you have been through. It is such a huge shock when it happens to you, especially the first time, it seems to just come out of the blue. You will find heaps of support here though, the girls are just lovely!

Satya - thanks for the advise hun! I will have to remember that one.

Bekz - glad things seem to be going well for you, hope everything went well at the docs.

Salt - what a bugger! I really hope that they sort things out for you soon, nothing worse than another set back when all you want to do is move forward.

Sharon - Fingers crossed for you! I'm sure that everything will work out for you, its still early days!

Lisa - thanks for your advise on the Vitex. I'm not sure if I should be taking it though as I already have quite a long LP. From the little I have been able to find, it seems that it is best for regulating short LP's. Does anyone know anything about how it affects long LP's?

Anyhow, big hello's to everyone else. Sorry to all those I have missed, I'm having trouble keeping up!

love

Good morning girls,

Welcome Claudia and Lalla. I hope you don't have to be in this thread for too long.

Bekz- How did your trip to the docs go?

Hang in there Sharon, there is still hope yet.

Salt- Keep your chin up. Here have a :hugs:

So Sorry I have missed everyone else.

I am having a bit of a down morning. My temp had dipped yet again. So I am thinking this wont be my month. I wish my temp would just be normal. :(

Have a good day everyone.

Morning everyone!

A big welcome to Claudia and Lalla, so sorry you have to join us here but you are most welcome - the support here is incredible, it has certain stopped me from going crazy this last few weeks.

Jenjams - sorry to hear you are feeling down with the whole temp thing, (you know I hate it and just couldn't understand it!!) - I can say though, that the time I did try using it, I was dipping and peaking all over the place for both months and still got pregnant when it said I shouldn't have so never say never until evil AF shows her ugly red face!:crossfingers:

Satya - just awful news for your colleagues, just the worst. I have read the stories of Cooper, Nicholas, Lucia, Jordan and others (I am SO sorry for not remembering the names of these angels mummies) and the tears just flow and flow. Their mum's are the most brave, brave women - and they are still able to come here and support others. Perhaps you could ask them for advice as how to help your colleagues, or offer the forum address?? Theyll never get over it but they do need to get through it.

BekZ/Sharon - hoping you are on the receiving end of good news, we are all praying for you with all our hearts.

Bun - hope you are having a good day, I too have been peaking and dipping over the easter break. One day I was quite 'up' and positive and the next I couldn't be bothered to get off the sofa, wash my hair, do anything really and felt totally s**t.

I hope this next bit doesn't scare anyone but i wanted to share it in case there is anything in it, it's advice I was given in the UK from both my Ob and my GP. I suffered from UTI/cystitis for the first time ever last July (I was 10 weeks pregnant) and it was so bad I ended up in A&E, and it subsequently went into my kidneys (pyelonephritis -sp??) - it took 3 lots of consecutive antibiotics to get rid of it.

I then went into premature labour at 16 weeks, poor little bub dated at just over 12w. The Ob said he couldn't rule out the UTI/kidney infection as it is known to cause premature labour. My GP said practically the same thing and added two bits of advice - (i) ALWAYS wee after sex and (ii) take cranberry, either in juice or capsule form. I don't think this is relevant during BDing but def. later in pregnancy. I had no idea of the consequences at all and I'm an old hand at pregnancy, it was still news to me.

To finish on a lighter note:

JaneO - when are you going to change your signature to read 'DF' instead of 'DP'!!!!!!!:D

Love to all
Alex
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Satya - so sorry to hear about your colleague and his wife. What an awful thing to happen, esp with a history of m/c too. They must be distraught. Hearing stories like that makes me so so sad, and you just wish you could do something for them. Alex's advice was good - maybe see if some of the mums there have some advice of what you can do for them.

Jen- sorry your temp is all over the place, I hope you can make some sense of it soon.

Welcome Claudia - a missed m/c really is the most horrible shock - my first was like that too. I'm glad you are here and I hope that you get that BFP soon!

Lalla - how did your dr appointment go?

Sharon - how are you going today? Have you tested again?

las - how frustrating is it when they don't believe you when you know your own body! Grrr...

SP - the 26th is not long away now, and hopefully then you will be closer to having this clot sorted out. It is scary to think of 9 months TTC, isn't it? This month is my last chance to fall before the EDD of my first, and Inever thought I would still be trying now.

Hi to everyone else.

The nurse from the clinic phoned last night and said (surprise, surprise) that my hormone levels are quite low so to get another BT done tomorrow. I told her I knew they would be, and she actually remembered that I told her that before, and she was nice about it - seemed to accept that I do know my own body pretty well! I am now getting some EWCM from yest, so going by previous cycles, I think I will O about next Tues, so on CD22 again, the same as last cycle. At least it is getting regular, but unfortunately my cycles are still v long, I have only 10 chances of pg a year! I have already wasted one not trying and another with a chem pg, so it just seems like it is never going to happen and time just keeps passing. Oh well, at least my FS appointment is next week and hopefully he will actually do something helpful this time.

satya what an awful thing to happen to your work colleague, it would be very difficult to know what to say, if anything at all, as they might not want to talk about it.
Claudia sorry about your loss, but hopefully you won't have to spend too much time in here before you get your BFP
Leyla thanks, I just don't "feel" like I am pregnant so not holding my breath for this cycle.
jenjams are you temping orally or vaginally?
Heybacko thanks, just don't think it is my turn for my (sticky) BFP just yet.
Bun feeling ok today, tested again this morning and still -ve.

I have decided to take my BFP off my FF chart and wait it out for AF to show up, I am actually thinking that maybe I have had a chemical pregnancy.

Hi Guys,
Here Goes, sorry if I stuff this up:
Bun-Sorry to hear you are up & down & all over the show, I am sure it will soon pick up & you will feel better
Heybacko-In regard to the info you gave for UTI what is not nec when bding but later in preg? Do you mean taking the capsules? Did the GP say that UTI will always cause prem labour or MAY be cause?
Bekz-Having everything crossed for you & waiting to hear some good news
Jenjams-I am hearing what you are saying about the temping, I get so confused & frustrated. Mine is all over the show, although this is my first month temping have never done it before.
Satya-I know when I have heard stories of same thing happening to me that it brings everything back and sometimes I just wish it would all go away, doesn't happen though! I think you can only offer support to your work mate & just ask how his wife is, I am sure you will be fine & know exactly what to say ;) .
Claudia & Lalla-Welcome to both of you, sorry you have to join us in here. You will love all the girls though they are great & very supportive. Can ask them anything & they will do their best to help & offer all the support they can.
Sharon-Stay positive little sweet. I will be the same with testing, I jsut can't help myself, it is the way we are, don't beat yourself up everything will be fine I am sure :hug:
las-Best of luck with losing a few kilo's. I understand it must be difficult, I do all I can to help DH with his weight & I get so P#$%^ed off when people nag at him & tell him all the time how fat his gut is (his mother & father are great at doing this to him GRRRR) Wishing you all the best anyway:) :crossfingers:
Janeo-Best of luck with the ring, I got my ring in Melbourne at the Diamond shop in the Mall, they were great. First you pick the diamond then the style you like, it is all great fun. We did shop around though I must admit.

Hi to all the ones I have missed & I am sorry, I am struggling to keep up with you all.
Not much to report on my home front. Have been bding since 05.04 (my birthday) & still going strong. DH has started to say no, this tells me I am going great guns!!!!!! I have outdone him for a change, yippee. Hoping for a bfp this month. I got a ticket to USA for my birthday from DH, I have a friend who lives in Colorado & she does not know I am going over, I arrive on her birthday, I know she will cry for about an hour when I get there. At least this will take my mind off the pg thing, sort of. My friend has been in USA since Sept 05 and is currently very homesick. Anyway back on track. I have been temping & it looks rediculous, don't know if I am doing it right or not am only on CD14. Any way enough of my crapping on talk to you all again soon

Herbie
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hi Herbie

Sorry to confuse you, I have read it back it and I haven't typed it particularly clearly:redface:

I think the gist of it was: UTI will very very rarely if ever cause m/c but if left untreated, and it gets up into your kidneys then it MAY be a possible cause - it's called pyelonephritis - I think it is very rare to m/c from a kidney infection but it is a known cause.

He said the empyting of your bladder is essential after sex whilst pregnant as the bladder is under more pressure from the growing uterus and some wee can get left (which is why I meant that this bit is not really relevant to BDing) but he said if you can get into the habit of weeing after sex anyway, that would be fab. Also, taking the cranberry will help at any time (pregnant, TTC or otherwise!) to keep UTIs at bay.

Hope this helps clarify my waffling (unless I have just replaced it with more confusion - in which case google 'pyelonephritis and miscarriage' and get more sense than I can type!!!)

It is supposed to be very very rare but it is a reason to do everything we can to keep UTI/cystitis at bay which is why I posted it really as my one and only dose of cystitis really kicked the heck out of me.

Love to all
Alex
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Thanks Alex, that makes lots of sense & no you are not babbling on lol. My concern was ttc & going to toilet immediately after bding. I will go straight after cause I cannot stand UTI even though i am used to them. Hopefully those little spermies will swim flatout B4 I go to loo :sperm: swim little fella

Herbie
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Hi all,

It's getting difficult to keep up with everyone now. I don't get much time to jump on so I hope everyone is doing well.

Welcome to Claudia. I hope you find the support here is of assistance to you. It's been invaluable to me over the past month.

I think I'll keep it simple with my work colleague.... just sorry for your loss or something like that.

I had bad cramps in the middle of the night last night. I haven't had AF cramps for years so I don't know why I'm getting them.... maybe my AF is on it's way. If I've calculated Oing correctly I would be due Monday but if I go from m/c date & allow 4 weeks (I'm very regular) it would be Friday of next week.

Herbie - lol- you just gave me the funniest vision of you getting up to pee and the little spermies swimming so hard in the other direction just trying to reach their target. I hope they make it there!!

Sharon - :hug: At least if it is a chem pg you can get straight back on the TTC wagon again. I don't even know if a chem pg is a m/c or not - I didn't really count mine as one, as AF was only 2 days late and I only ever got a really faint positive anyway. Not sure - but at least it is nothing like having to go through the pain of a D & C or a scan showing a missed m/c - these are the things that terrify me. If a pg is not going to make it, I would much rather it be right at the beginning than at any other time. This thinking is what makes me feel better anyway. I hope you are doing ok.

satya - it is probably a good idea to keep it simple with your colleague. I suppose he may not want to talk about it and it is hard to know what they want you to do/not do at a time like this. I just feel so very bad for them. I hope the cramping eases up.

My pg friend is having her first scan tomorrow and I am seeing her on the w/e. Things are still a bit strained between us and I don't feel I can talk to her as freely as I could before - I guess I don't want to burden her with my issues if she doesn't feel she can talk to me about what is going on in her life, esp as she had been worried about her pg and hadn't confided in me. I am also concerned that I am the reason she is worried - she has heard so many bad things about pg and m/c from me lately, and I know that she was only excited and not worried about scans with her other two pgs, so am feeling v guilty and I don't want to talk to her about my worries and what has been happening lately. I feel like a v bad friend. The trouble is that this has been such a big part of my life lately, I don't feel like I have anything else to talk about! Oh well...

OH my god i cant keep up... I have been on today but im not getting my reply to post.... ARGH i hate that.. So sorry i have done my best to read through and remember everything i think???

Thanks for pointing that out Alex i will do that now...

Bun HUGS honey... and LIFE SUX sometimes.........

Claudia im so sorry for your loss i too had a missed m/c i found out when i started bleeding at 11 weeks but my angel died at 8 weeks.. It was really really hard and i think of our baby every minute of everyday, but it does get easier but it takes time so hold in there and cry when you need to it helps...

Herbie WHOA what a GREAT present you lucky thing...

Well im still in the running my chart looks good so wait and see in the morning then... Im pretty excited about looking for the ring i found one in town today that is similar to what i want but not quite... Well hopefully ill be jumping on here tomorrow with good news wait and see i guess...

Wow I don't think I can begin to keep up with you guys!

Some of you know I had a missed m/c 4 and a bit weeks ago - tomorrow is 4 weeks from my D & C and AF showed up right on target today, god bless her. Actually I think it's possible I had a chemical pg this month - had a faint positive hpt yesterday morning. I am glad AF is here though as it's something definite, and shows my body is over it. I took Vitex and am sure that helped.

Anyway, I hope that most of us aren't here for too long.

We are really only ttc for a few cycles - if I have a due date after Feb next year it could be awkward for work (I wouldn't be able to guarantee access to maternity leave) and also DH & I are getting on (I turn 41 in 2 weeks, DH is 40). We hadn't contemplated another child until we got unexpectedly pg with our poor little prawnie, and DH wasn't immediately convinced we should ttc - trying for a few cycles is also our compromise. Plus I think the thought of all the BDing helped persuade him...;)

I thought i would let you all know b4 i head off ring shopping that i didnt bother testing this morning silly me did one last night and it was -ve and i had a temp drop this morning so i didnt waste a HPT.. If af hasnt shown by Monday ill do one..... Bit sad im hoping that ring shopping will cheer me up a bit....

Herbie what a fantastic present to be given, your friend will probably faint when she sees you LOL
satya I very rarely get bad AF cramping, the worst I had it was the following night after D&C and I think keeping it simple with your work colleague would be good, because that way it doesn't look like you are avoiding the subject where as it could if you didn't say anything, and also you aren't asking questions which he may not feel ready to answer.
Bun if it was a chemical pgncy I am completely fine with it, like you I would much rather lose a pgncy this early than weeks and weeks into it, where you have gone through m/s, the sore bbs and the many other symptoms, and the whole D&C procedure is the pits. I hope things go ok with your friend on the w/e maybe you should ask her if she wants you to ease up talking about your fears and worries about getting pg, and miscarrying, ask her to be honest, because then that way you will know where you stand :hugs:
janeo have fun shopping for your ring today, and bugger to the BFN, I will be testing Monday too, just couldn't be bothered wasting any more hpt.
SallyJ glad to hear that AF showed up when she was supposed to. I hear you on the age thing, my dh is 41 and I am 37 (not too old for ttc but getting there) I think if I haven't got pg by Jan next year (or god forbid I have more miscarriages) I think I will stop TTC and be happy with our 2 boys and start to think about going back to work and paying off our mortgage quicker.

I have decided to just sit back and relax and wait for AF to show, and if she doesn't will test again on Monday, I will then be 14 dpo which will be the longest LP I have had.

Hi Everyone,

Just popping into say hi. Best type quickly because I am supposed to be working atm.

Welcome Claudia. Sorry for your loss and I am sure you'll find heaps of support here. We all know how you feel about others around us having normal pregnancies and beautiful babies. Some times if seems like the universe is trying to dig the sword deeper. Hope you start feeling better soon.

Janeo - Good luck with ring shopping today. Your temp has not dropped too much. Cross our fingers for Monday.

Sharon - How are you?

Hope everyone else is good, thanks for all the posts wondering how I am. Went to doc and she said that I must be pg. I had a bt yesterday and am booked for a scan on the 24th. She said that there was no need to see her until I had had the scan, so I guess I am pg. Feeling ok, and doing some postive self talk to remain positive. Got really bad indigestion and nausea, but my family has had gastro so I am not sure if this is m/s or actual sickness.

Anyway I will pop back in later.

Bekz I'm ok, thanks for asking, I am just going to wait and see what Monday brings, if I have no AF then I will test again, if then after a couple of days I still don't get AF or a +ve I may consider going to Drs for a BT. Glad to hear that you are PG :D and I have everything crossed for you that it is an event free pgncy. Also hope that it is M/S you have and not the gastro thing.

Hi Guys,
Just thought I would pop in & say Hi.
Sally-After I had my D&C AF showed up exactly 27 days later the same as you, AF is usually very regular with me though, I think this is a good sign. Best of luck TTC over next couple of months.
Janeo- Can't wait to hear all about the ring, best of luck with it & don't forget youa re the one that has to wear it & it is forever so you have what ever you want honey :lol:
Bekz-Best of luck with everything & I am thinking of you, I am sure all will be well and sickness will soon wear off. Where you sick B4?:hug:
Bun-I had not thought of a vision but you are right how funny is that. Might be able to enter them in the Stawell Gift next year :sperm: Best of luck with your friend at the weekend, I agree with Sharon just be honest with her and hopefully she will be honest back. Tell her how you feel & see if she will let her feelings out too, I am sure it will all come out in the wash, both of you will work it out. She does need to be understanding of you too & be aware of what you ahve gone through. It is so easy for these people who have a breeze pg to not unerstand how we feel
Sharon-My friend probably will faint then she will cry forever cause she is like that, I have grown up with her & her 2 sisters. I had no pain after my D&C however I had lots of pain a couple of days prior to D&C, OB said that is was first stage of labour as my body was starting to get rid of everything, one thing good about that is I know waht first stage fells like now! Best of luck with your testing and I pray you get a BFP on Monday can't wait to hear from you then. Hope AF stays away
Pardon my stupidity but what does BT satnd for, I know, I know I am a bit thick today. I know it will be easy & I have put off asking but that is one thing in here Anything can be asked & no-one is judging of you MWAH
Not much happening with me really still doing the bd thing every night & have got a green light on FF. Have funny little pains which not sure if gas pains or o pains. Had a huge drop in temp on Wed now slowing coming up, unsure what this means am on CD 15, oh well I am at work & had better get back to it.
My DH is wonderful & always gives me great birthday pressies, this one would have to be the best though. He doesn't go without either I might add LOL
Hi to all those I have missed & wishing you all a great weekend if I don't get back in today

Herbie
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Herbie BT stands for Blood Test :) it took me a while to get used to all the abbreviations too. Oh, and thanks for the bfp prayers, I think I'll need them.

Hi Guys,
I went to the Dr yesterday and she was lovelly and answered all my silly questions and really helped put my mind at ease. Even helping me get over a little issue I had with a so called friend who during an emotion breakdown infront of some close friends asked me (while I had tears streaming down my face) if I MC'd because I'm skinny and possibly don't eat enough to carry a baby!!!!!! My Dr reassured me this absolutely not the case, it was really stressing me out thinking that it could possibly have been my fault some how??
As far as having a D&C goes Dr told me that the body most likely needs a bit more time to re-set so to speak, but if AF doesn't appear by mid next week or the cramping comes back to have a scan.

JANEO I'm so sorry sweet :hug: I'm absolutely positive that ring shopping will work wonders for your mood :) Good luck and have fun finding the perfect one x If you want to talk any more about weddings I'm still completely obsessed!!

SHARON19270Good luck, hope you're ok and thinking of you x

Still trying to keep up with everyone on this thread but I think I'm slowly getting there, thanks again for all the support x

Hi everyone.

Bekz - Glad all is still well with you. Fingers crossed for a positive BT.

Bun - Maybe you should speak to your own pg issues with another friend.... one who's not pg. I know from experience that most pg women who have had no issues of their own don't tend to want to hear about other's problems. Try and find things to talk to her about other than her own pregnancy as well or this will stress you. Also there's nothing wrong with taking some time out from the friendship if it's all too strained at the moment. A strong friendship will pick up where it left off after you get over the hurdle that's causing the strain.

Janeo - Good luck with finding the perfect ring.

Sally J - Glad to see all is back to normal for you. Let's hope you have success in the few months you have allowed yourself TTC. I haven't yet put a time limit on TTC but I'll be 41 at the end of May so I guess I will have to think about that soon. It's different for me though as I haven't had any children of my own so I'm thinking I'll keep trying through 41 and then reaccess the situation if I haven't been successful. I keep hoping that my partner being much younger than me will raise our chances of success.

Sorry to the others I've missed, I hope all is well with you.

:)

I only got very light cramping early this morning and no sign of AF so I'm thinking that it had nothing to do with it.

I am just entering that stage that is eerily familiar from 10 years ago after I had a m/c - the one where you imagine that every little body complaint you come across just might mean you are pg again. That's where I'm headed until AF shows up.

Hi everyone :)

Don't know how I'll catch up, so forgive me for missing anyone!

Satya - here's hoping that it's not AF coming, fingers crossed for you!

Lalla - glad your appointment went well! How rude of your friend!

Herbie - Good luck this cycle!

Sharon - Hope that AF does stay away! You must be getting a little frustrated though :(

BekZ - hope you are looking after yourself and that bub! Hopefully you'd had that bit of reassurance from your Dr now.

Bun - I know it's not easy, but one thing I've learnt through this, is that friends should burden, and be burdened! That's what makes a great friendship! I hope in time you and your friend can get through things :) Hope you are doing ok.

AF is STILL not here! I have intermittent cramping but that's it. I just want it to come if it is!

Hi to everyone else :)

Satya yes, I can imagine it is very different for you. I would want to try for longer if I had no kids.

JaneO - have fun ring shopping.

Hi everyone else

Hi I am back,
Satya-I am hearing what you are saying about all the little complaints, I always thinkg Oh no is there something wrong with me, will I ever have children, you know how it goes. There are people worse off than me, but sometimes you just can't help thinking like that. I am sure you will be fine, here's hoping af does not even come you may be pg. It will all happen for you I am sure, no matter of your age :hug: :crossfingers:
las-Thanks for the wishes, I hope AF does not come for you, I hope she stays away for a long time. The waiting game is the worst isn't it. Is AF usually regular for you? :SAAF:

TTFN again

Herbie
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Herbie - Wow about your trip to the USA!!!! If you are concerned about your chart put it in your signature and we can stalk it for you.

Satya - I thought AF was coming for more than 2kws due to cramping but she never showed. Good luck.

Lalla - Glad to hear your doc cleared everything up for you.

Hi to everyone else hope you all have a great weekend.

Hello everyone,

Gosh this thread is getting confusing for me now - I feel like my head is spinning after reading all the new posts! My apologies to anyone I miss out on!

las - hang in there - as long as AF doesn't show there's always hope! I've got my fingers crossed for you!

satya - I so know what you are talking about. Last month I was paying attention to every little pain and wierd feeling in my tummy, hoping it would mean I was pregnant. I hope AF doesn't show for you!

lalla - that's great you drs appointment helped put you mind at rest! Gee I can't believe your friend said that!

Herbie - hope everything goes OK for you this cycle

BekZ - that's great, hope you are feeling better soon!

janeo - I hope AF doesn't show for you, enjoy your ring shopping - hope it takes your mind off things

Bun - I know what you mean about your friend. I have a good friend who is pregnant too, and I told her last weekend that I can't see her for a few weeks - it's just too painful for me :( God I feel like such a scumbag for doing that! But I don't want her to feel that she can't talk about the pregnancy for fear of upsetting me.

Sharon - all the best for Monday, hope you get a positive!

Well, I went to the GP yesterday to see what she thinks about me having 2 miscarriages now. I must admit I was a bit worried I'd get fobbed off but she was really good. I went and had a beta HCG done today and they are going to talk to my OB next week (he's on leave this week, wouldn't you know it!) to see what he thinks they should do with me - ultrasound etc etc. So hopefully I won't have to have another M/C before they investigate. Although I really doubt they will find anything wrong - but it will be good to know for sure.

In the meantime, it's day 11 and I usually O on day 14, so DH and I have a busy weekend ahead of us! LOL Fingers crossed for this month!!

Hi to everyone I've missed and hope you all have a nice weekend!

Hi everyone

I am SO sorry that I haven't had time to catch up with the day's posts - I have been running around ALL day sorting out medicals, x-rays, BTs, certified copies of everything but the kitchen sink for NZ Immigration - crikey, they are anal that lot!!

Mainly I wanted to say:

Bun and Susannah - PLEASE stop beating yourselves up, after what you have both been through your friends will all understand when you all come 'out the other side' - it's awkward and it's painful but you must must try and stop feeling so guilty about how you feel, your feelings must come first for YOU to start to mend (that reads back too harsh but you know what I mean!!) I really felt for you Susannah, when you said you 'felt like a scumbag' - NO NO NO!!!!

Satya/Sharon/Sally - I have decided 2008 is the year for delivery of our bubs's and if any of you manage a Dec 07 delivery, then YAY!!! (Sharon, I KNOW you are trying to sneak one in under the wire!!!)

Herbie - still haven't stooped giggling over your DH's poor little spermie swimming against the tide - made me smile all day!!

Jane - any update on the ring??? I am wondering if I could get divorced just so I can marry my DH again and get another ring, another dress, another honeymoon????

BekZ - hope the heartburn if bearable - go Gaviscon!!!

Sorry for missing anyone, I have Solicitors/Doctors office fatigue!!

Loads of love to all
Alex
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satya - I am not sure what to do about my friend, I know that she doesn't mind me talking about things, and to be honest, there is no one else I talk to about this or that knows about the second m/c IRL other than our parents. Most of my friends aren't having kids yet and clearly did not understand what it was like to have a m/c so I saw no point in telling about what has happened since then. I'm not sure what to do.

megsmum - I am so glad your dr took you seriously and will arrange some tests. They will probably tell you that it is most likely just bad luck, but at least they are doing something for you!

Bek - glad to hear that things are going well for you. Make sure you keep checking in with us.

Lalla - so glad your dr answered all your questions and put your mind at ease. Ignore your friend's comments about you being too skinny - that is ridiculous! What a horrible thing to say, esp from a so-called friend.

Janeo - have fun ring shopping!

Sharon - how are you going?

Hi to everyone else.

My friend just emailed to let me know that her scan went well and she is 11 weeks. I can't even imagine what it would feel like to go for a scan and come home happy after seeing your healthy baby. It is just so unfair - all her pgs have worked out and mine just die. I know I am being melodramatic, but I just don't know how long I can do this. I am just so sick of being strong all the time. I need to be a good friend and reply, but I am just sitting in my office crying. She was really great and said she can give me more details and send a pic if I want, but wanted to see if that was ok first. She is really sensitive and aware of my situation, but it sill hurts so much. I need to be a good friend and let her know how happy I am for her and to tell her to send a pic, but it just hurts so much. Will I ever get to see that - my baby alive and happy on a screen? I am supposed to be seeing her tomorrow and I am not sure if I can handle it.

I have been feeling nervous all day waiting for her scan - it's like it has reminded me of mine and brought it all back again. I don't know how I will ever manage to get a scan done if I get pg again - just thinking about one makes me want to be sick.

Just got back guys and here is the run down...

Well i just got home from ring hunting and i found THE ONE!!!! So not what i thought i would get back love it love it love it love it.. We are getting it made though cos its better quality diamond and handmade all that jazz and only 100 more then in the store.. So its a princess cut diamond on a angle the head is a bezel setting (so surrounded in white gold) the band wraps up to the side of the diamond with 3 small small diamonds in the band (he added 2 extra small small diamonds for nothing one extra each side) soooo sooo soo excited will now Tuesday when i will get it.......

I havnt started bleeding yet but i have some brown cm today very thick though so not sure what to think.. Waiting WAITING WAITING.. But hey whats new... Sorry not up to reading all the posts a bit sad even though im excited about the ring really really sad about af maybe showing her head.. Im on a 2mth break now so that im not due around my bf's wedding as im maid of honour.. So thats going to make me trying again very close to the day my baby would have been due.... Sorry for being so selfish but im sure you will understand..

Hi Everyone,
I cannot BELIEVE how busy this thread is. I haven't been online for a week and it's taken me two sessions just to catch up and this third one to reply! I had to scan the posts so I have definitely missed people but here goes:
Welcome to Heybacko, Herbie, Megsmum, Lalla and Claudia, a mc is a terribly sad thing and very hard to accept but I feel so much better now than I did two months ago and I hope you all will too.
Sarah066, Janeo and Leyla, sorry to hear the dreaded AF arrived. I have a feeling I will be the next to announce her arrival, watch this space....
Sharon, what a beautiful ceremony you had for your angel, it sounded perfect. I'm sorry to hear the pg sounds like it may not have worked out this time but never say never, stranger things have happened. I have my fingers crossed for you.
Salt, you poor thing. I hear you about it taking so long for your body to return to normal. It seems like when one things feels like it might be back to normal again, the next thing hurdle pops up to stop you in your tracks. Hopefully this clot will be the last hurdle for you and then you're body will be ready for a happy, healthy, full term bub.
Bun, you poor thing. You always have such positive and good advice for other people. You need to start listening to yourself! Bekz has mentioned relaxation and positive thinking a couple of times and I joined a gentle yoga and meditation class about a month ago and it has done me the world of good. I told the teacher, who is a naturopath, about my mc and she has been great and given me loads of advice about different positions which help fertility and homeopathic remedies I can take. I feel so much more positive since I started this. She asks us at the beginning of the class to picture in our minds the one thing we want to welcome into our life and devote the class to it. No prizes for guessing what I picture! I think something like this could really help you.

As for me I was very confused about when O happened this cycle. I haven't been temping or using OPK, just going by CM and pain in my side which have always been reliable for me. Had EWCM on CD18 which would have been normal O time so had a few BD sessions but then on CD 22 got a really bad pain in my left ovary for a couple of days so had DH at work again for a couple of days! Going by the second date (and I know Bun you said that you O'd late after your mcs) I am 9 DPO now and am dying to test but I know it's too early. I have sore boobs but also am really irritable which is more a sign of AF. Am not felling tired or sick at all so not holding out much hope this month.
To all I missed, apologies.

Tonners x

Lalla glad to hear your Dr's appointment went so well.
satya have my fingers crossed for you that AF stays away.
*las* AF can certainly tease us sometimes, get us thinking she is on her way, only to keep us waiting for days, very rude of her actually!:lol: I think I am well and truly over the frustration, disappointment etc just waiting for Monday.
megsmum so glad that your GP didn't fob you off. Enjoy your busy weekend :p
Heybacko I would love to sneak another test in tomorrow (or sunday) but I only have one left and won't have a chance to buy any more, if however my boobs got suddenly heavy, and I came down with a cold then I may consider using my last test, even if my temp goes up I think I could be tempted! LOL I'm just hopeless
Bun I am going great, thank you for asking, you on the other hand need a :grouphug: I know it hurts to hear that your friend had a great scan experience, and I think the fact that she asked you if you wanted to see the pic means that she does care about your feelings and I honestly think she would completely understand if you told her that you really don't feel like you can cope with seeing her pics just now, but you will let her know when you feel you can cope. You too will have a good 'scan' experience, and yes you will feel worried, nauseas, scared but that will all disappear when you see your little one moving around on screen.
janeo STAY AWAY AF! so glad that you found your perfect engagement ring, it sounds gorgeous.
Tonners I am so glad I had my little ceremony, it really helped to clear my head, and release all those emotions. So when do you think you will test?

Hi Girls,
Just thought I would pop in to say 'hi' & see if there have been any graduates!!
There are so many new gals in here now so the support must be amazing. I have done a quick catch up read but won't even attempt personals except to say congrats to Janeo on the engagement & the fabulous sounding ring. You wait til it's on your finger - you will stare at it for days. Maybe treat yourself to a manicure in the meantime so you look fabulous when showing it off!!
Sharon - hugs to you & your strength is such a good example to all these women. I wish really good things for you very soon & to all you gals, may your dreams come true & your prayers be answered soon!!
I am still plodding along TTC (cycle 8 now since m/c) & am currently 5dpo. Still a way to go yet but I am remaining optimistic because that is the only way to be.
Hoping to see some BFP's in here next time I check!!
PS: Hi Shan if you are lurking - hope things are good in your world!

Hi Mummyto1 and everyone else - Yes i am lurking....lol, but it's hard to keep up with all your girls!

All good on my front. The weighloss is going really well. 5 and a half weeks in and as of this morning i've lost exactly 12kg. I'm rapt. It won't be long till i'm back on the TTC bandwagon, well about 10 months but to me that's not long compared with the 5 years of TTC before this. It's really nice to be able to focus on something else for a change. The weight loss has already righted my cycle (well the first month anyway). I got AF the day I started the program, and at the end of my 4th week, she showed again, so she was spot on 28 days.....i haven't had that in a loooong time and it's soooo much better than the 60 odd day cycles previously. We'll wait and see if she arrives on time again in a few weeks!

Hope you are all doing okay in here. Everyone seems a bit down at the moment, but you'll get through it. For all the newbies.....welcome, although i wish you didn't have to be here. A m/c is such a huge thing to happen in someones life and you will have your up days and your down days. Trust me...i've had plenty of emotional rollercoasters. I had a m/c in Feb 2004 and still to this day something can set me off and i have a little cry. I think that stems down too, to the fact it took us 2 years to concieve our little one only to lose him at nearly 8 weeks and have not been able to concieve since. Sometimes you just need to step back for a bit, take a breath and start again when you're ready. I know it won't work for everyone, but i'm glad i decided to take this time for me, to focus my energies elsewhere for a little while, and i really feel that by the time i'm at my goal weight, I'll be a new woman, ready to take on whatever life throws at me.....and i know that one of the things being thrown to me will be a beautiful bubba all of my very own....

Sorry to waffle on a bit there.....Have a great weekend everyone and remember...

STEP BACK - BREATHE - REACCESS - and START AGAIN even if it's only 5 mins a day..it will help!!!!

Hi everyone,

Las - I hope AF stays away.

megsmum - I'm even worse than that - not just analysing cramps etc but trying not to contribute all sorts of things to a new pg. I hope you O over the weekend.

Bun - that would be hard when no one else knows. Just keep posting here. You are among friends here that know what you are going through and actually understand it.

janeo - Congrats on deciding on a ring. It's so exciting when you get to start wearing it & showing it off. I've got two engagement rings (long story that one) and I've had them for months but I still love moving my hands around so the diamonds can catch the light.

Tonners - be strong and try not to test yet. It's too early and it you get a BFN you will just want to do more tests.

Sharon - hang on to that test as long as you can.

:)

Well have been tired as hell for the last two days. I had a dinner date with friends at 7pm last night and yawned all the way there..... 45 minutes in the car.... very unusual for me. I also burped all the way (gross I know and very unlike ladylike me) and had to take an indigestion tablet as well. I somehow managed to stop all this for the duration of dinner. I also completely lost concentration at work and made stupid little mistakes. Spent heaps of time in the loo yesterday and had to go in the middle of the night.

I am trying not to get my hopes up but this is exactly what happened very early on the last time I was pg so it's incredibly hard not to think that way. I have to keep telling myself that there are loads of other reasons why I could be having these things happen - they are all things that happen to me from time to time (but not all at once) and that it's not likely that I would conceive that quickly again.

Anyway, I'm off to my docs this morning to get my hormone BT results. It will be very interesting to see what he's got to say.

Well girls this is goodbye!! :cry: Af has officially arrived this morning and it means im on a 2 mths break...... So im going to have a break from here ill find it too hard... Ill pop in from time to time but they way you guys talk it will be hard to keep up.. So if you get a BFP i want BIG writing so i can see it quickly and easily and as reading everything would take forever........... Im going to be still temping and working out my body planning on seeing a naturapath to get some help with my body and cycle lengths and lutual phase stuff....

When i get my ring ill put my photosite link up for you all to see....

HUGS to you all for being there for me over the past 3 and bit months you are all the best..... Im going to sending lots of sticky vibes to you all and i hope with all my heart that your dreams come true soon..........

BYE!!!!!!!!!!

Jane - boo hoo to AF. I hope you enjoy the next couple of months just looking after yourself and thinking about other things - maybe it will be a nice change to this rollercoaster. Definitely make sure you check in with us and post a pic of your engagement ring - it sounds beautiful! You will love it when you start wearing it - they are so shiny!

satya- thanks for your kind words. You guys really are great, I don't know what I would do without you. Your symptoms are sounding fantastic - how many DPO are you? How did your dr appointment go?

SP - how are you sweets?

mummyto1 - good to hear from you again. Good luck with this cycle!

Sharon - I am glad to hear you sounding so positive. I have just had a squizz at your chart and your temps are still pretty high.

Tonners - thanks for your thoughts. I am actually starting yoga this week and hoping that it may help me to relax. I am also getting back into a couple of hobbies that I had stopped doing. Hopefully I will start feeling a bit better about things soon. It is poss that you O'ed earlier and are getting pg symptoms now, when are you going to test?

Shan - hello! You really are an inspiration to me, how you always sound so positive and I am so proud of your weight loss - wow! That is just incredible! I am so glad that your cycles are getting shorter now - hopefully this time out and weight loss will do the trick! Your advice is really good - I am going to try to step back and breathe now to try and get some perspective back.

Well, I emailed my friend back yesterday and said that I would love to see a pic and hear all about her scan. She is a really great friend and v aware of my feelings, and I feel I need to be there for her as she has been for me and be interested in hearing all about it, even though it hurts so much I feel like I am going to break in half. She told me about seeing her bub moving around and waving its arms about, and sent me a pic of it. I have been crying basically since yesterday and have this lump in my throat that will not go away, but at least I have a counselling appointment today so will try to get it out. I also heard from the clinic and the nurse told me that if anything, my hormone levels are going backwards! WTF?! I thought I would O around Tues going by previous cycles and the EWCM I am getting and told her that, but she doesn't want me to have another BT until Wed. I am not sure what to do - just get it done on Tues or wait til Wed as she said? Honestly, there is def something going on with my body with these slightly irreg cycles and always v late O - I just wish the dr would have listened to me when I told him that 2 months ago rather than telling me to go away and try again and that all would be well! It is such a struggle to get someone to listen to me. Obviously, as I told him, my hormones are doing something weird, so I need to go on a drug like clomid to straighten them out! It has been months and no one has done anything, when I told them this was a problem right from the beginning! Oh well, my appointment is this Thurs, so I will just DEMAND that he listen and do something!

Hello lovely ladies, just dropping in to dump a truckload of :bluedust: and to say

WELL DONE SHAN! 12 kgs is amazing hun, what a huge effort! I'm so glad you're still popping in, it's lovely to 'see' you, I just can't wait to be celebrating your BFP with you :) . Keep up the good work sweets.

Hi girls,

Going to be a selfish post this one. I was a bit emotional a couple of days ago for no reason at all. I think it was around the time I would have been due.
My cycle is still all over the place. I am getting AF symptoms with spotting which may turn into AF so I reckon I have stuffed up my O day. Temp is still high though.

Everyone have a reat weekend and hopefully some can leave this thread.


Jen

mummyto1 I don't feel strong, if I had more tests in the house I would be testing everyday till I got a +ve or AF and I am a strong believer in not letting my emotions get the better of me when it is something I have no control over.
*Shan* congratulations on the weight loss, you go girl! I know that I really should lose some weight myself, and if I don't get my bfp this cycle I will be joining a gym and doing something about it.
satya :lol: too late, it's in the bin, so no more obsessing over that line for me hopefully by Monday I will know one way or the other.
janeo I am so sorry that AF arrived for you, and I hope you do pop in every so often just to let us know how your are going and of course to post a pic of your ring, I can't wait to see it.
Bun you where very brave telling your friend to send you a pic of her scan and to tell you about it, it will happen for you. My temp took a slight dip this morning so will wait and see what happens tomorrow, if another drop, then I am going to assume AF is on her way.
jenjams just remember it ain't over till the witch shows up :crossfingers: for you.

I sooooooooo wanted to test this morning, but was very good and resisted the urge, some of my symptoms are; very sore nipples (which I always get b4 AF) back ache (get b4 AF as well) have also had this stabbing/aching pain in my bbs which I haven't had before, I am just refusing to link these symptoms to pregnancy because I may just be disappointed, also had mild AF cramping last night and temp dropped very slightly this morning.

Hi everyone,

Jane - bye for now.

Bun - So sorry you've been crying so much. If your hormones are up the creek then that's probably contributing to that majorly (not just your friends pg). I think it's great that you are taking up yoga and thinking about resuming your hobbies - hopefully this will get your mind off ttc somewhat while you wait for some action from the doc. I think I'm 12-13 dpo but I use maybe baby and that only gives you a rough idea.

Jenjams - sorry that af looks like she's about to arrive.

Sharon - You and I are sounding like we are in about the same place at the moment. Trying not to attribute things to a possible pg..... and boy that's hard. Yesterday I was pretty much normal except for being really tired again..... the day before I had all sorts of "symptoms". Because I had one day full of them and then the next hardly anything I've managed to convince myself that AF is on it's way soon.... even though I've had no spotting yet (I always get this a few days before but didn't went I was pg). I hope I stay in that place.

Salt - don't be frustrated. It must be very difficult to be in your situation. The deed is already done so there's nothing you can do about it. Try and keep yourself busy as much as possible to keep your mind off things until the clot is sorted out.

:wall:

Well I got my hormone BT results yesterday but I haven't a clue what they mean. My doctor wasn't really able to explain them to me. Basically my oestrdiol reading was at 226 with a note next to it saying that the result is above the upper limit of reference range. I don't understand why this is considered high when the paperwork says that 143-693 is a range for this in the follicular stage (but next to my results it says the range is 37-184). Looking at the figures myself it looks that all the levels were within the correct ranges for the follicular phase which is where I would have been at when the blood was taken.

I just don't get the whole thing - he says my hormones are all over the place but they don't look that way to me. Progesterone is showing as <1 but again this falls in the range for that time of the month. I have posted elsewhere here hoping that someone knows what on earth this all means.

I'm being sent for an ultrasound. The doc wants to see what my ovaries are looking like. He's still think PCOS. My ultrasound is this Thursday but I wont get the results from this until the Saturday of the following week... due to a public holiday & work commitments that wont allow me to get to see him until then. It's so hard to work full time and go for all these appointments - especially when you don't want to tell your boss what you are up to.

Anyway I'd better get going. A busy day planned today..... and we may be returning home with a new puppy to add to our happy little family. We saw one yesterday and my DF fell in love with her. I'm not too sure about having two dogs but I somehow think he will convince me it's a great idea.

Salt & Bun - sounds like you both need to stand up to your Docs & demand they listen to you. Bun with the clomid or other meds & Salt with getting this clot resolved. Pls don't feel bad about the bd - leave it in the hands of god or the universe or whoever...
All the best to you both & to all the other ladies. I hope this is the hardest thing we ever have to go through in lives (losing a bub) & that we all have rich, happy lives for ever after....(ith lots of children I might add ;)