TTC after Miscarriage or Loss ~ February 08

OHHHHH (yes i m still in tanty mode) It is DH that this is all being done for.

I am 38 years old (well for the next couple of months anyway) My son is 19 in a few weeks and the other is 16. I thought my baby makin days were over. I thought the next step for me was Grandmother. Then I met DH (5 years ago) This is not being done for me (not saying that I wouldnt love to be a mother again.... i certainly would) but if it wasnt for DH then I wouldnt be doing it. He has no children (obviously due to his infertility) I as a wife and someone who loves him dearly I would do anything to try and give him that opportunity to know the love that you have with your children which is unlike anything imaginable.

Thats why i m throwing a tanty. I love him dearly but so far I have been through 3 operations, countless... countless injections, countless... countless medications, temping everyday, (waking each day and forcing TTC to be the first thing on my mind each day) Giving up smoking, nearly cutting out coffee (oh and if you knew me 12 months ago you would have said that was impossible) OMG the list goes on, I dont drink, I try and stay calm all the time (for the health of the eggs) I have accupunture weekly... Ohhhh I could keep going. He complains about not being able to smoke as much (cause he still does sneak them) complains about the herbs and wont have them.

To add to all that, I have his mother suggestion maybe we look at donor eggs and telling me that maybe the coffee i did have while I was pregnant was not good for my angels because coffee causes miscarriages (obviously I promptly put her in her place and told her that s a load of chit... in the nice way i normally....not today.... but normally... do) I also had someone esle say that if she could carry the baby for us she would......, I want to yell and scream sometimes...... it has NOTHING to do with me.... I dont need an egg donor, I have 2 children, I can carry a baby, In IVF I had 9 very healthy eggss and even through sperm injection only 2 sperm wanted to play the game. Why doesnt someone look at DH and tell him to pull his finger out.

Now tomorrow I ll go back to loving him dearly but right now.... ohhhhhh If i had a pillow in my hand he would cop a floggin.:angry:

Berecca - so sorry honey about BFN. Chin up and onto next month - :crossfingers: As for your so-called best friend, I've had "best friends" like that before and have learnt over the years that every-so-often you need to do a "friend spring clean" so that the "friend feng shui" is right again. U need good people around u now, sweety.
Angelbabies - I think u have every right to vent esp with the lack of understanding surrounding u!! I really hope it gets better for you.
AJC - also sorry to hear about the lack of effort that surrounds u too - hopin things will change.
pbstar - I use OPKs (my 3rd cycle now) and I think they are good in theory. I'm a little confused about my usage of them cos they've shown different o times for last 2 cycles so kinda keen to see what it says this cycle esp as it's my 1st full BBT charting cycle - good to compare. U get 7 in a pack and I find I use at least that many.
Hi to Katiegirl, nicksterUK, Canary, Banx, bettyboop and anyone else I may have missed.
As for me, on CD7 and thinking about how I have to not TTC this cycle so that the naturopathic herbs can kick in. Part of me wants to DTD anyway cos I don't want to wait yet another month but part of me couldn't risk another m/c if my bod is not up for conceiving yet. I'll be seeing my gyno on Tuesday and see what he says - don't know if he is open to naturopaths - so we'll see....

Well AF is here ladies so I guess I need to start again :wall:

I have decided not to dwell or feel depressed, just look towards the future!

No time for personals so just a general good luck to all and :crossfingers: lots of :bluedust: and :stickyvibesgirl: to all!

Berecca - sorry hon re AF :hug:

berecca - :hugs:

Angelbabies: oh my goodness, what you've been through. I can't believe the things people have said to you.:hug:

hello girls, im new here too :(
struggling to deal with a recent miscarriage, and my SIL announces 1 week later that shes pregnant. I was going to have the first grandchild, and now she is, and im struggling so much to deal with that.
I have days where i cant stop crying.
Im so desperate to concieve again, however, im not in the mood for sex.
Im also struggling with the fact that we have just moved to melbourne, so i have no family or friends, or anyone to talk to...im alone and really sad...i hope i fall pregnant soon, so i can have something to look forward to...

Hi tina - welcome and so terribly sorry to hear of your loss. Then to have the added pressure with another baby coming into the family as the first grandchild. We all understand the impatience of TTC a child - you will find all the support you need here, hun.

Sorry guys - I really need your help.
Would you put TTC on hold for 1 month cos your naturopath told you to wait for herbs & vitamins to kick in or would you say this month might be my chance to conceive and TTC anyway with or without the risk of m/c. I really need to know what you each would do in that situation.....
I'm going thru a thing....

I believe whats meant to be will be. I was told to wait but didnt. It didnt work and I m still TCC but I suppose I look at it also from the point of view that I m 38 and some day in the future i m going to run out of months..... dont waste a single one. I also was told to wait until the herbs kicked in and was told it would take a few months. NO WAY for me..


PS... I m still peeved at hubby but I ve settled a bit.... just a bit.

PLC my naturopath wanted me to wait a month but I started anyway. This was last month and I admitted to her that we had started TTCing. I got AF so it didn't matter anyway. I honestly think you have to do what feels right - and not let other people dictate. You will know what feels right, and the herbs etc will help you anyway. Good luck!

Tina - welcome and I hope you find support here on BB. I live in Melbourne and moved here 4 years ago and I know how lonely it can be. I don't have any family in Melbourne which has meant that I have had to deal with the MC on my own a lot of the time, so I spend a lot of the time on the phone to my mum and sisters. If you need someone to catch up for a coffee etc I would be happy to meet you. SIDS also offer support groups for people who have lost a baby, so that might be a good option for you as well.

HI Tina - welcome and I'm sorry for your loss. It is very hard when people around you are falling pg & having babies so I understand your pain. Anytime you feel sad or lonely please log on to bb and talk to us and hopefully that will help you cope. I hope your stay in here is short and I hope that we are all in the Pregnancy after m/c loss thread together very soon.

plc - I must admit that I would probably ttc anyway. I'm sure it's not going to make that much difference. I'm in no way opposed to natural treatment but I went to a kiensiologist (sp?) once and every time I went there I felt she was playing on my grief/situation. That kind of left a bad taste in my mouth so I find it hard trusting people like that now.

hi everyone,

well the start of a new week, hopefully there is some good news here soon!

berecca i am really sorry to hear AF came- you must be really in tune with your cycle though because you knew exactly when you were due....good to hear you are thinking positively and looking forwards

angel babies i can relate to your anger at your DH...mine is driving me mental at the moment....long story short but we have been fighting like cats and dogs about TTC- he is really superstitious and has this weird belief that it will only happen when we stop trying- so if i start talking about wanting a baby or anything to do with my cycle etc he gets so worked up! i can't understand it and it frustrates me so much that i have to hide how i feel. anyway after a good 24 hours of :wall: and
:angry: he finally apologised...and coming from my hubby that is a pretty big deal!

hi tina- sorry to hear about your loss and welcome, i have been visiting this forum for a short time but it has helped me a lot already- hope it helps you too

plc1805- i would not put TTC on hold if i was you- but that's just me...just do what feels right for you

hi to everyone else and :bluedust: for all of us

Sorry guys if I sound a little crazy. I just suddenly felt so desperate about what to do. I wouldn't have held anyone to ransom with their comments but just needed to have some fresh thought on the matter. I do feel better and clearer about what I want to do. Thx pbstar, AJC, Katiegirl & Angelbabies for your comments - they helped.

Tina - I am so sorry for your loss. I had the same feeling of loneliness after my m/c, still do, and it must be even worse in a new city. This forum helped me a lot, I hope you can feel a bit less lonely with the ladies here. :grouphug:

PLC - I would not wait either. I kind of feel the same like AngelBabies, that I may run out of months. I do not know what your reason for m/c was, but for me it was probably a bad egg, so I was thinking, what if I wait, and this will be the one month with the good egg? I would not wait at all, but the first month I O after m/c I was away from my DH during O anyway, so I agreed to wait and run some tests. Now AF is supposed to be here in about 3 days, and it will be my first month TTC.

i am so grumpy today , temp took a big dip yesterday, still waiting for AF , now i am sure that i have ashermans back :( i have to ring doc on thursday if no AF and he will orginise the opp and then it takes awhile to heal, dont know if we will ever have a baby at this rate.:wall:

Oh my goodness, everyone seems a bit down in the dumps :grouphug:
Angel- whack him with a pillow! Men eh?? My DH says BD is 'not so much fun anymore cos there's n 'agenda' now- HUH? Thought it was his agenda too?
So, I've got the hump and am refusing to play now. After about 10 days it's finally sinking in and he's become very attentive and helpful, running me bubble baths and bringing me glasses of wine. As I've said before I haven't felt very jiggy lately (so disappointed with neg pg result last week I guess) but after all his efforts I know I should bd really. (Come on Nicki :dance:) lol
BettyB- Huge hugs for you, can't believe your bad luck, and have got my fingers crossed that this might not be all that it seems :goodluck:
PLC- do what you feel is right! If you want to TTC go for it, who is to tell you what you should or should not do? What harm can it do? Besides, you and DP need to keep that close bond (otherwise you'll end up unintentionally celibate like me and Angel AAAaargh!!)
Berecca- sorry about af- good luck next month (still no af for me- a week late now BAH!)
Hi Luna, Katie, AJC, Canary and Pbstar- hope you're having a good day xx
Tina- welcome to the best therapy (and therapists!) So sorry to hear of your sad news, hope your stay is short and sweet xx
Hey TM- are you okay? Been thinking of you these past few days :hug:

Well, it's gettin' on (time wise) and I'm thinking maybe I should be 'gettin on' with DH so I'll get him to run me a bath and (providing he doesn't P me off in the next half hour i can feel an early nite coming on :ttc:

G'night ladies xxx

PLC, I would definetly not wait for the month I would keep ttc this month, if that is what feels right to you. Good Luck.

Tina, I am so sorry for your loss. The fact that SIL is now pg is not going to help the situation but at least you don't live close by and don't have to see her and can screen calls until you feel better. Try to keep your chin up, and believe that you will get pg soon.

Berecca623, I am sorry to hear that AF arrived. It will happen soon.

Hi Canary, Angel Babies, Luna, Katiegirl, and anyone I missed I hope you are all doing well.

As for me I am annoyed, after my mc early Jan 08, I found out my cousin is pg. I am very happy for her, I don't feel jealous at all. In fact it has brought us closer, this is her first. But I just spoke to my mother who is the problem, she just informed me that another cousin of mine's wife is pg. I am not even close with this cousin so who cares why did she feel the need to tell me. She is bypolar and all but she really is bonofied crazy. I mean she gets pleasure in hurting me.

Not to mention I have a cousin who is like a sister and she asked me the other day if I was using protection because I should not get pg. I also have a friend, she is this cousin's best friend, she had her first child 20mths ago at the age of 40 and is a single mom and she is struggling and she tried to convince me not to have a child. I was so upset with her putting her input into something that was clearly none of her business and I figured out these 2 girls lead miserable lifes and they are jealous of the fact that I have a wonderful husband that I am a stay at home mother living in a nice home. I am just so mad that people try to steal my happiness. Seriously, besides my cousin who is pg now when I do get pg I will not tell my family until I am 6 months, I feel like I lost my baby because of their negativity and they don't even get it, the fact that I am suffering I lost a child.

I am sorry ladies to bother you with my problems. You guys are the only ones who understand what I am going through. Thank you for listening.

howdy all,

Welcome Tina, I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm also in Melbourne and know how it feels to be isolated from family and friends. When I had my m/c I was living in Queensland. I'm in Melbourne now and would also be happy to meet you, you too Katie :D, a good debrief over coffee could probably help us all.

Nicki- I'm sure you'll get your groove back. Sometimes these men need a bit of a head smashing don't they.

Magda- Sucks when family act that way. My dad has said a few hurtful things to me since the m/c. I'm not sure whether they try to be deliberately hurtful or they just don't think, or both. Big Hugs and try not to let them get you down.

plc- just do what you want to do, a month isn't going to make much difference. You never know you may be lucky!

:hugs: Brecca, sending you positive vibes for next month.

Well I finally made it to the doctor and she has given me a full blood test to do. She is giving me the full work up. I haven't been to get it done as I don't fancy walking in 35 degree heat to get it, especially when I have to fast for it. I'll get it done by the end of the week.
Next week I am off to Tassie for a week so my daughter can see her biological father. Really don't want to go, but it's the first time she has been there and I don't feel comfortable leaving her for 9 days, she is only 3, and it's a big change. I think once she has been once, she will be happy to go on her own next time to stay, all i'd have to do is escort her on the plane.
It's all for her is what I tell myself.

So ... I am hoping by April should be officially back on the TTC band wagon.
By then *fingers crossed* will be in our new house, new car, and Abby all settled in new creche, and me going grey over Uni assignments hehe, will need a lot of DTD for relaxation.

Hope you all are well,
...Laura

Magda - it's amazing how the people who are supposed to look out for you can be the one who hurts you. My mother often can't wait to tell me who in our family is pg, most of the time it's cousins kids (like I know these people, I could walk past them in the street - and probably do). My MIL came out with a good one the other day, she was talking about someone she knew who had a 22yo, 16yo and 5yo and carrying on about the 11 years between children. I quietly said to her "our's would have been 11 years apart. to which she replied " yes, but you didn't plan it". Well, I would have thought the years of seeing Dr's and taking clomid, operations, check ups, would have been "planning it", but there you go. I just let her go and told DH later. Proves they're self centred. Anyway, we're still TTC but won't be letting anyone know if it works until we can't hide it anymore. We don't need all the negative comments.

I'm into "self preservation" mode at the moment with the client that announced her pg 2 weeks ago, I am polite, will dicuss her current baby with her, but totally ignore any comments about her pg, I hope at some stage i can get past this, i don't want to ruin our relationship but feel this is how i can get thru at the moment.

1180: Thank you. It is a good thing you are getting all checked up by the dr. I know what you mean about getting blood work and you have to fast, I can't leave my house without a cup of coffee. But atleast you are going to get it over and done with.

Mollycat: I am with you Mollycat since my family lives in New York and I am in PA I will avoid going to NY until I am 5 or 6 months. I can't let my family and friends get me down with their negativity but sometimes it's so hard.

Thank you both.

Firstly - so many thanks to all of you for your words of comfort, encouragement and support. Secondly - I feel we need a huge:grouphug: in here cos everyone is so down (and for good reasons) and we just need to pump some positivity through our minds/bodies/spirits!!! Special special hugs to those ladies particularly doing it rough.

That said, I'm afraid I'm now really not going to be able to share positivity as such but I really need to share this.

I've just come back from my OBGYN. As you may recall when I was having my crazy time last night that I wasn't sure about not TTC as the naturopath had suggested or to try anyway. After my OBGYN appt, I feel that all of my prior hysterics pale now cos I'm up against some other stuff. He basically said that 7 mths is considered a long while TTC especially when one will be 37 in May and not got a huge amount of time. I felt relieved at least that it was not all in my head and that I should be relaxing more - my concerns actually were well-founded. So I am booked in for a lap on Thursday morning to check what's going on, possibly endo, possibly something else, possible nothing at all and, if nothing, maybe it's unexplained infertility. I kind of didn't expect that I would need the lap and all that but, hey!, what makes me so special - heaps of people on here are dealing with those issues all the time. My DH doesn't get off scot free either - he has to get his boys checked out. I actually feel more sorry for him (he's so shy, poor guy) than I do me. Btw, the OBGYN doesn't believe in naturopathy, says acupuncture is ok-ish, and not to waste time by not TTC.
I have had a good cry - thought every thought from I'll be fine after the lap to "I don't want my son to be an only child" - now bring on Thursday. I can't get over how I can be so rooty-tooty fertile one minute and "all dried up" the next. Sigh!....

Trying to stay positive .....:pray:

PLC1085, I am sorry that you are feeling down. Try to stay positive and keep trying while you and your mate are being checked out. Find the positive in this you are going to find out if there is a problem so that you can alliviate it and have a baby and if there is nothing wrong then you will be able to relax so that you could have a baby. RELAX what the H*** is that, I know I feel this way too but I am trying so hard. I am in BDg stage and I don't even know if I am o or what, I am taking my temps but I don't take them at the same time every day so my chart is all over the place and I don't check for CM. So I don't know what is happening but I should o either today or tomorrow, I have BD saturday and sunday and possible today or tomorrow. And this is all I can think of. I think we all have to try to relax this is not healthy for all of us.

I hope you start feeling better.

First things first..... does 1805 mean 18th may by any chance.

Second...... Dont stress over the OBGYN. I m still to find an FS and a Naturapath or accupunturist that acctually agree. My last FS was an very clever A****Hole. I ve not once ever mentioned his name in here but damn sometimes I wish he read these sometimes and knew it was him i was talking about.

Conception is a whole body issue. To me my FS, who rushed us onto IVF because I was sooooooooo old, was very clever from a medical point of view, he diagnosed endo within minutes and the operated and removed it all, he maybe shouldnt have done it with a day surgery lap but he did, once again an A********. It took weeks to recover from that. He was however clever enough to diagnose it, i had been going to GP s for years complaining about abdominal pain, not one ever mentioned Endo.... I didnt even know what it was.... As it turned out my body was riddled with it, squashing my ovaries and all sorts of nice stuff. My Naturapath on the other hand helps with my general health which then also helps with the health of my eggs and assists with conceptions. The accupunture... WHICH by the way hurt like all get up last time.... she called it the pre 'o' session and tomorrow I have the "sticking" session.... Pain Pain Pain. Oh well, after it all I normally feel quite good, in better spirits etc..... which by the way could be the best thing for me at the moment... still chitty but trying not to be.

The one thing I would say PLC1805 is make sure anything they say or do or suggest feels right within yourself. If you feel uncomfortable with any of them CHANGE. As for DH i m the wrong person to feel sorry for a DH at the moment after all his proceedure leaves him with a smile on his face.... I wasnt smiling after my lap.

Goodness I really do have to smack myself around a bit i think..... what a negative little soul I am at the moment...

Ok Cyber cake for all i think..... Big Pieces.... THICK chocolate Mud with the icing dripping down the sides with just a tad of fresh cream to the side. And a big big cup of fresh coffee..... cyber coffee..

hello Melbourne girls,
id love to meet up for a coffee and a debrief. Im new to this so im not really sure how to go about getting your details. Please help, and lots of positive vibes to all today.

my day just gets worse, another close friend just told me she is pregnant, i asked her afew weeks ago if she was and said she was not , she said she was sorry for lying and did not want to hurt me, the minute she left i started crying and i have not stoped since, just to add to the rest of the day, still no AF

Oh bettyboop - I'm sorry your having such a bad day. I think you should help yourself to some of that cybercake that Angelbabies baked. It sounds delicious.:hug:

ll80 - April will be here before you know it. Relax and spoil yourself until then so your body will be ready to give you that BFP!

This is our last month of trying 'naturally' (at this stage anyway) as doc wants me to start clomid next cycle. Hopefully it will give my hormones that extra helping hand and hopefully it will help a little bubba burrow nice and snug and stay for the long haul this time. I'm just hoping it doesn't make me too moody, will just have to take each day as it comes. Luckily I have annual leave planned for when I start so if there are any side effects I can take it easy. I'll still try hard for this cycle but a part of my kind of hopes that it doesn't happen this cycle becaue my gut instinct is telling me the clomid will be for the better?!?!?!??!?

Hugs to all and i think I'll go have myself a bit of Angelbabies' cake if there's any left.

We all really need some good news in here don't we. Oh well, at least we had some good news lately from hopingsoon.

:hugs: bettyboop hun, I am so sorry youre feeling so down, though I completely understand. cry and vent all you want we are all here for you to listen and hold your hand.
why is life so bloody unfair? :wall:

Well I snapped. I lost it and DH coped it. While I understood what he was saying I just couldnt allow for it to be used as an excuse. As I said to him, I have gone through everything he has but I still keep going. I still have whatever medication I have to have, I do whatever I have to do, I have injections, pills, temps, operations.... whatever and still put up with the ignorace of people who think its me. I told him that I want to scream out and say .... its not me... its him but I cant. He told me I should say it and I told him I could never do that to him. I didnt dwell on everything, I spat out what I was furious about and then left it at that. It was a very quiet afternoon where he didnt say anything but guess what..... he ended up getting in the car and driving to the chemist to buy empty capsule so he can put his herbs in it so he can start taking his herbs. I m not thinking for a second that he will start taking them tonight.... but hey.. he knows how I feel now and he knows that his behavious is putting a wedge in our relationship that I know he doesnt want in there.

So I suppose that the possibility of any BFP are gone now for this month, I m talking to him again, didnt say I m prepared for any degree of jiggy yet.

Maybe next month.

Angel Babies - Good on you for getting it all out and telling him how you feel! Its not good for you to keep it all bottled in like that and now you are in a better frame, emotionally for TTC!

AJC - Good luck for this month but I understand about you maybe wanting it to happen next month, more confidence it will stick!

Bettyboop - :hugs: IKMYM - happened to me too. Try to look ahead. My best friend announced to everyone on Friday she was pregnant (we work together) and I couldn't go into the Staff Room all day. All that squealing and excitement and all that pregnancy talk, too much. I just thought that would have been me first! Hope the ashermans gut instinct is wrong and that you are all good!

TinaK - Sorry about your SIL, hopefully it will happen for you too soon.

Magda - people can be so cruel, especially the ones who are supposed to love you and you expect to look after you the most. My MIL is a non-issue at the moment as DH hasn't spoken to her in months. She didn't even know I was pg let alone the m/c and I am thankful for that, shes not the nicest to me at the best of times! My mum makes stupid comments but I don't think she means them. She is knitting me a baby blanket, had started before my m/c and the other day said she hopes it takes me a while as the blanket will takes ages to finish!

plc - If there is something wrong I suppose it is better to know and fix it, although it sucks big time if something is found! Good luck and hope it all goes well for you.

As for me, well yesterday woke up in excrutuating pain in my back and went to docs. First thing he said was Oh you're pg. Had to correct that which annoyed me. OK I went to the Women's for my m/c related stuff but I know they fax everything off to my doctor so it was just lazy on someones part at the surgery not to update my file. Then had xrays and told to go home. I KNOW this injury is due to work and yet I can't get any docs to say my back problem is because I USE A FING COMPUTER ALL DAY!!!! Hello??? My dad and his wife have the same problem, in the EXACT same spot, and they have workcover to pay for it. Yet I am out at least $70 EVERY WEEK for my treatments. I have decided I will keep going to docs until someone agrees with me. It is in the spot where people have trouble from using computers, I am a computer teacher and spend 8 hours a day either using mine or leaning over kids and helping them. Do the maths!

Grr OK well I feel a little better now, although I know this back problem is stopping me from conceiving. Its a pain in more than one way!!!

Hi ladies - got just a bit of time to say hi and catch-up!!

Bec - I have heard about people that have back treatment and then conceive when they couldn't before. Maybe something in it for you. What treatments are you having? Thx for your words of support.
Angelbabies - 2 c's in a marriage that I live by - commitment and communication. Seems like you're mastering both at the moment - and how wonderful that your husband went and got his herb container like that. Pity that you have to go off your rocker so that he does it but...he still did it! Thx also for your advice and telling me of your experiences, I will certainly go with what feels right. And, yes, my birthday is 18 May :)
Magda - thx also for your words of comfort and encouragement - and GL to you hun with whatever "relaxing" is meant to mean :) - I know it is VERY frustrating!!

Hugs to everyone else of you lovely ladies. Btw, I actually took 2 pieces of Angelbabies mouth watering cake :redface: so I hope everyone got to have some and didn't miss out.

Big day tomorrow at "Lap City" so I'll be sure to let you guys know how it goes. Extra special positive vibes to you all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bettyboop: I am so sorry to hear about your day. It will happen for you soon, I can feel it. Have a great day.

Bec: Your mother sounds so cute. Your baby is going to have that comfy blanket when it arrives.

PLC: Thanks. Ok, ok so I am trying more than I am actually "relaxing". You know I never in my 41 yrs even knew that cm actually came out for a reason, or that it had a function or heck what it was. Now today everytime I went to the bathroom I wiped 2x and inspected the tissue for cm. I got nothing so now I am paranoid that I did not o. Also I had cramps on one side today so I am hoping that I o'd that's another thing I never paid any attention to having any o pains. When I started ttc in Oct my girlfriend said don't you know when you o every month and I was like what? Needless to say I have not been relaxing I have been thinking way too much. Good luck tomorrow.

To all the lovely ladies here, have a great evening.

Ohhh I just feel just a tad stupid at the moment. I have posted my last 2 replies in a different thread. Ohhhh DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ohhh I feel like such a twat, they were probably reading it thinking... what... firstly who are you again and where did you come from and what the heck are you going on about with your DH.

So first things first I ll copy my posts in here.

POST 1

DH s Herbs

Well he did it. He sat there last night with his herbs and his 100 empty capsules filled them all. Then took 6 (the equivelant qty of powder perscribed). I was a tad shocked. However he then just said to me "so why do I need to come" (in regards to my accupunture appointment today) Again I felt like yelling and saying "hey i m the one being jabbed with needles for an hour the absolute least you can do is be there. Maybe you could also get off your A**** and ask her if there is something else you can do" BUT I didnt. I just said, 'today is our day off lets not spend it sitting in front of our computers again'



Whats that saying.... "Lord give me Patients..... RIGHT F***ing NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


POST 2

Well apparently I am now officially in the 2ww. Not an IVF 2ww this time a natural one.

Just got back from the accupunturist (who is also a qualified midwife) took my charts to her to look at and she said that "0" was on the 13th and 14th. Hubby was behaving nicely on the 13th and 14th and certainly got his fair share of Jiggy. (just hasnt gotten any since) I had my pre "o" accupunture the day before on the 12th and today I had my "sticking" accupunture. Soooo therefore everything that could possibly be done has been and now its time to just try and stay calm and wait and see. She recommended waiting unti the 29th to test. (wouldnt that all be ironic. Valantines conception and find out on the 29th of Feb (leap year).

So now I have ballbearings stuck to points on my wrist that I am to put pressure on whenever I want to throw something again. I have more chinese herbs to assist with the stress levels I currently have (my tanti levels) and her email address to contact her if i m not managing to stay calm. (she s even put me on a time limit as to how long i can be up at night.) (yeah I know there is a word for that but it escapes me at the moment)

I ve also had big chats with DH. Told him that I want to know what he wants to do. If he wants a baby and wants to continue TTC then time to step up to the plate, If not then let me know and I will stop jumping through all these hoops.

SOOOO basically we are in 2ww mode not knowing if we will ever be again, this might just be the last time.

Ok... now your all updated...OMG what a twat.

OHHH and PLC1805........ 18th of May is my birthday as well. hence why the abreviation stood out to me. Absolute best of luck for tomorrow. :doctor:

Well thats enough from me now that I ve had to redo my posts....

:grouphug: and it looks like we need some more cake... who s turn is it

Angelbabies - sounds like a load off your shoulders since you snapped with DH. I hope you are feeling better because you sound heaps better - I guess as long as DH keeps up with his part of the bargain. Good luck for the tww. Would be pretty cool to have a bub conceived on Valentines Day & the BFP on 29 Feb. 29 Feb always feels like a 'bonus' day when it occurs. Fingers crossed for you and sending loads of positive vibes your way.

Berecca - hope the back pain eases up.

plc - good luck tomorrow and hope you get some good news. Sounds like doc is being thorough and that's what you want, someone who will look after you.

Everyone else (sorry won't list in fear I'll miss someone): Hang in there and hope you're all doing ok. I really hope we get some good news in here real soon. Am going to get my clomid script filled next week so it's all ready to go when af arrives next. Not writing this month of completely - just trying to sit back and relax a little. Our house is like candle city at the moment, candles everywhere but they make the house feel so peaceful, I love them.

I might go bake some cybercake now, how about little vanilla cup cakes with pink and blue icing for good luck?

Maybe you could pipe onto the cup cakes the :bfp: as well :clap:

:lol: Angel you cracked me up! lol So glad you got everything out in the open with DH. They need serious straight talking sometimes, subtlety goes over their heads completely!! Am very excited for your TWW- sending GOOD vibes your way ....!
Thanks for the scrummy cake too, fabulous!

BettyB- cannot believe how difficult things are for you- it must feel like it's just one thing after another, so very, very sorry you xx Tell you what tho- you must be in line for the BEST of pg and motherhood to make up for it. Here's hoping x

Hi to all who are having tough times with insensative in-laws, pain in the a*** partners and also every bloody pg woman around. BAH! Life's a ***** sometimes- drink wine and eat cake. Stuff 'em all, and then stuff yourselves mmmmm...(I had a pink and a blue cake to cover both eventualities hee hee :D )

Suddenly occured to me that I should think about taking another pg test (maybe) since af still has not arrived and maybe i took it too early before. Still not aware of any 'symptoms' as such- although since I thought 'the thought' IYKWIM I've started imagining funny tastes and sore nips etc. I dunno...maybe clutching at straws (no, am DEFINITELY clutching at straws...I think!) if no show on af by the weekend I'll probably test again- at least I'll know for sure and get rid of these crazy thoughts. Will be defo disappointed with a neg test, so try to get myself ready and in the right frame of mind first.
Take care all- have the rest of a great week, it's my round btw, and I can probably stretch to some pork scratchings too. Where's the cork screw??!!

Love n hugs xx

Hello ladies...here's hoping everyone get's a BFP soon! And betty...here's hoping we get AF soon!!! I sure hope you had a better day today!

hello all,
wishing lots of positive pregnancy tests for everyone :)

im in the TWW now, so fingers xed.

My BF had a baby this morning, luckily shes in Sydney, so i will have time to work myself up to seeing him and holding him.

katiegirl, thanks for the offer of meeting up, that would be really lovely.
My email address is tinabishay@hotmail.com for any other melbourne gilrs who would like to meet up :)

I tell you what I am calmer now than I have been in days. DH might even get lucky tonight..... HEY I SAID MIGHT!

PLC1805...... How are you going Birthday Buddy? If it was a good Lap then You will be on here tonight letting us all know the results.... if it was like mine then you will be out of the picture for a week or so. So I expect you to get back to us tonight to let us know it was a good one.

Nickster.... Sometimes I crack myself up... especially when I do such stupid things... I actually sat there laughing loudly. I pictured those women in the other thread..reading and reading again... scrolling up and down to see if there might have been a previous post they had missed and then sitting there dumfounded.... just not getting it....... Ohhh I was highly amuzed. Now as for your POAS why have you not done another one.... Ohhh the patients you must have. How overdue is AF..... No cork screws for you until you have a test missy.... and I want a big message in capitals saying BFP..... or if I cant have that one then I ll deal with a "Pass me the cork screw angel"

Tell you what these chinese herbs are working a treat..... I think I have actually found an official "chill pill". My body is currently a chinese herb factory... 15 a day, 6 fertility 2 and 9 stress 1. All specifically designed to improve everything for baby as well...... assuming the 2ww ends up BFP.

Well high to everyone I ve missed.... I wonder how Tempus is going.... I ll have to catch up again later, have an appointment I have to get to.

Gonna be a long post because I haven't been on in a long while (yesterday I had trouble logging in).

We buried FIL last Saturday and as you can imagine, it was a painful and exhausting day. We had MIL over on Sunday so she wouldn't have to rattle around the house all by herself. We're all adjusting to the new normal.

Yesterday I had an appointment with the fertility specialist. He did a history and physical and ultrasound and he thinks I might have O already, and I think so, too. To my surprise, I had a good cm pattern this month and yesterday my temp went up and today, too (in spite of all the stress--go figure). I just have to wait for one more day of temp to see if I actually O. FS thinks my problem is immune related (that's his working dx) and I also have to get a hysteroscopy if AF comes to check for adhesions and do a clomid challenge test to assess the general health of my eggs because I'm an ancient, decrepit old lady of 40.

Although I'm happy to start getting some answers (even if he only rules out various problems), I'm a low-key, low-tech kind of gal and this intensive medical scrutiny is stress provoking to me. But it's preferable to doing nothing and risking another angelbub.

bettyboop: sending cyberhug because you sound so sad.
never heard of viagra for lining before. interesting...

Angel Babies: sending cyberhug and a thank you for the cyber- cake and -coffee. Crossed fingers during TWW.

AJC, plc1805, mollycat: sending cyberhug

pbstar: welcome to our thread, hope your stay is a short one.

Canary: usually, fertile-type CM is stretchy between your fingers. But sometimes, the water content of the mucus can be so high that you can't "pick it up" at all. I talked to a Natural Family Planning instructor on another forum once and she said if it feels slippery down there when you wipe with TP to collect the mucus, that counts as a mucus day. Do you do internal checks?

hopingsoon: congrats and I'll be praying hard for you. yes, the temps sound good. but cramping-wise? I cramped with all my seven pregnancies, even the ones that were successful.

Brockstar: I am so, so sorry for your loss. I'll keep you in my prayers. You and DH just try to be real good to each other right now as you work through this.

Banx: I'm sorry for your losses AND happy for your good news. I'll be praying!

berecca623: sorry for your cr@ppy week--AF and insensitive friend and back problems--sending cyberhug

nicksterUK: I'm pulling for you. IKWYM about not feeling as sexy sometimes. After mc, sex becomes a serious business, at least sometimes.

Katiegirl: temps are an excellent cross-check for mucus, so my advice is don't stop doing them. You might have progesterone issues making your temps hard to interpet. talk to your practitioner and good luck.

tina k: I'm so sorry for your loss and you sound very alone right now. I'll keep you in my prayers. If you need to vent and rant, come here, because we know what you're going through. Sending cyberhug

Magda: sending cyberhug. and don't be silly--you aren't "bothering" us with your problems. it's better to vent when you can, and we understand. You might want to avoid your mom if possible for a while.

ll80: best of luck (btw, it's barely above freezing here in the States LOL! my kids went out to play today in snow flurries and wearing hat, scarf and gloves...)

Whew! Hope I didn't leave anybody out. Didn't intend to write the Great American Novel as a post, but I've really missed you ladies.

Have a good one.

hi guys,
um, this morning I woke up kinda nauseous, didnt think much of it, seem to feel like that all the time just before af, which is due in a few days time, sheesh I can hardly type I am shaking so badly, anyway I thought well, maybe, not getting my hopes up.......didnt have any poas left in the house so went down the shop and got some,came home and not using fmu, obviously (this was only about half an hour ago) anyway I did the deed and straightaway, I got a :bfp: ****!!!
so here I am, absoluteley bloody petrified, what if af comes anyway, what if I lose this one too, what if............??????
It wasnt even faint like last time........I am so scared, I dont know what to do, my head is going a thousand miles a minute and I cant stop shaking, I want to laugh hysterically and then break down in tears!!! I am a nutcase.....
:redface::p:):cry::cryinglaugh: hmm does that convey the emotional tummult???