I'm sorry TM. You are right, it just sucks, there's no reason why you have to go through this and no justification for the pain you have to feel. I'm just really sorry.
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I'm sorry TM. You are right, it just sucks, there's no reason why you have to go through this and no justification for the pain you have to feel. I'm just really sorry.
Hi Girls,
I am so sorry I have been AWOL for quite a few days. Had a friend down from the country and was shopping, shopping, shopping. But you guys have been so busy!!! it will take me ages to catch up.....
I am so tired!!!!! and work has been so so busy.....
First, I am so sorry tempus moriendi, my heart goes out to you. Please treat yourself kindly and look after yourself.
Jo :hug::hug::hug::hug::hug: I am so thinking of you
Helen - Yippee about the great scan. I am so so happy for you....
Welcome Dee, Darcy and Tocarra. I look forward to getting to know you.
Katie - Hoping B/F is getting better. I am still so thrilled for you. I tell everyone about you.
Hi to Megan, Rozzie, Paula, Lan and Laney - hope you are all doing well.
Well its our 3rd wedding anniversary today and we are going out to dinner at the Summit at Mount Lofty (in the Adelaide Hills) and I am so looking forward to it. I think I am even going to splurge and have 1 glass of Rose'. I think I deserve it for all the stressing I have done lately. My brother & sister-in-law announced their pregnancy yesterday and they are only 6 weeks behind me, which makes me kind of nervous, but also very thrilled that there will be 2 cousins very close in age.
Love to you all
xxx Sue xxx
TM - You are right, things shouldn't be this damn hard, I am so sorry sending you the biggest hugs.
Sue - I hope you have a nice anniversary, a glass of rose sounds lovely I think 1 glass would go straight to my head now!
Hi Helen,
Dont worry - a glass will go to my head. Havent had a drink since I found out I am pregnant.
Should be very entertaining!!!!
xxx Sue xxx
Hello,
TM, I am so sorry that you have to go through this again, life just isn't fair sometimes. My heart goes out to you.
Laney, 13-weeks is really good, your in a much safer place now. I am sure things will progress well for you.
Sue, hope you had a wonderful dinner & enjoyed the glass of wine. How good is one glass of wine, when you have been going without for ages!
Jo, hope you are doing ok, thinking of you.
I'm just looking forward to finishing work for Christmas now (7 working day to go). Can't wait for Jan to roll around so we can start ttc. Finding it hard when I find out people I know are pg and due after when I should have had Jasmine.
Hope everyone is well. TM, please take care.
I stopped the progesterone last night. I'm a little crampy, but haven't started to bleed yet. I just feel like I'm in limbo, neither here nor there.
Laney, Hammi, sryan, hgirs, Berry1: thank you so much for your support.
Laney: try not to make yourself too crazy with the doppler (yeah, I know. Easier said than done)
sryan: happy anniversary. enjoy your dinner out
TM - I am so sorry that you are once again suffering the heartache of farewelling another much wanted and loved baby. Yes it does suck! I will keep you and your angels in my prayers. Sending you a big hug :hug:
Hi Girls, in a rush but just wanted to pop in quickly and check up on you all.
TM: just want to say how sorry I am. I wish there was more I could say or do to help you get through this but just know that i am thinking of you and wishing you the strength to get through the next few days, weeks, months. Take care of yourself and try to stay positive for the future.
to everyone else, will pop in with more personals over the weekend but know I'm thinking of you all often.
Paula
TM, I am so very sorry you have suffered another loss. My heart goes out to you and I pray the new year is kinder to you. It just sux.... Sending you big hugs.
Sue, hope you enjoyed your night out. Hung-over?? :D
Dee, I am so very sorry for your loss.
Hi to everyone else, hope you are all well.
Firstly Im sorry to hear of your loss TM. Hang in there, the limbo doesnt last forever, but I know exactly what you mean.
Im not sure if Im really ready for joining here but .......
I have just had my 7th loss. 3 weeks ago tomorrow. I thought I was 17 weeks but the baby died a while before I had the ultrasound.
I still feel a bit in limbo but I thought I would poke my head in and say Hi and at least introduce myself cos who knows what the future holds. Im seeing my GP to see if she can refer me to someone, maybe the FS that Ive seen before. My OB wanted me to go to Westmead Foetal Medicine unit, but I dont know of any other options, Im going to research and see where I can go and who I can see. I would dearly love some suggestions if anyone could help. Im half way between Canberra and Sydney so I can easily get to either.
I have been doubting myself and feeling really depressed about having to move on with my life and forgetting about trying again. I feel so pressured by others opinions and thought maybe I was going a bit mad and just stupidly obsessed with having more kids. But I think it was just the usual greiving time and feeling down and I was reading into it too much. I actually feel really WELL. Like I have energy and have lost a bit of weight and more motivation for housework than I usually have. This has happened strangely after every miscarriage. About 2-3 weeks after I pick up all of a sudden and feel unusually good. Weird!!!
After reading some posts on here and the extensive info that Flowerchild has provided in the sticky thread about foetal death and miscarriage info, I feel reassured that Im not insane and just generally relaxed about the direction I want my life to go now. Its strange I know that I cant just be confident with what I want in life but I have always had low self esteem and Im very easily influenced and upset. You would think in knowing this that I could be more aware when its happening but I dont and it affects me. I feel stupid for it. Dh is very supportive and he doesnt think Im insane, he just wants me to be happy and would love more kids too. If I want to go through the stress of it all again then I have his support, and my Mum but thats it, no-one else. My good friends and all the inlaws think Im mad, and there really isnt anyone else that I feel close enough to to discuss it. I feel lonely without BB !!! At least there are others that have been through similar and want more kids on here. Anyhoo I will hang around here and keep up to date with everyone.
Oh Stickybaby, welcome to our little corner of the world, I did read (& posted) about your loss in the preg thread, I haven't had enough courage myself to jump over there yet. You have been through such unimaginable heartache, I just want to reach through the screen and hug you! I hope you find some strength with us here, I know I have. No one can walk in your shoes and tell you what is right or wrong, you are the only one who knows what 'fits', try not to let negative people destroy your dreams, I know it is hard esp with family. Thankfully you sound like you have a wonderful DH and mum, lean on them and us to help you through.
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Hi Stickybaby. One of the pregnant girls in this thread told us about your recent loss and we all feel so much for you. You're not alone in wanting more babies and following your heart, it's just that life hasn't been kind to you. I don't have any earth babies but I know the what it feels like to lose a much wanted and dearly loved little baby all too well. I'm glad you feel OK right now but there'll be ups and downs and it's OK if you feel like coming in here another time and telling us that you hate everybody. As for your question about where to from here. I'm in Sydney and have just started seeing Dr Andrew Pesce at Westmead Private. He was recommended to me by Spring Angel and I must admit that I liked him on sight. I'm not sure of his experience with recurrent losses though. Take care.
We've had so many new ladies join us lately. It's heartbreaking the reason why you're here but I'm glad we can offer you support because there are days when I would positively go insane if it weren't for you guys here.
Now personals...
How are you going, dear Jo? What did you do on Madison's EDD? Are you going to her portrait done? I would love to see her as I feel like I know her so well through your description. Are you skipping TTC this month or next?
Paula, is that ionic foot thing where the water turns all dark from all the toxins released from your body? I've heard of it but never seen or tried. I love all that kind if stuff! But you're right, best not TTC after you've just done that. Have you bought your K-mart Gift Tree pressie yet? I HAVE to do that this weekend. We also donated to two charities - one from me, one from David and the K-mart pressie will be from Ham.
Katie, how is the b/f progressing? I can imagine how sore and sorry you would be from all the effort. You've been through so much to get here, I hope this b/f business will sort itself out so you can take a big breath and truly relax into being an earth mummy.
Sue, you p#ss pot. How did your anniversary go? I am so excited that you're almost 19wks, it seems not that long ago that we were all amazed at delighted at your surprise BFP.
Helen, why are you lurking? I miss you! Are you successfully keeping DH at bay? Are you going to join the celibacy club for the remainder of your pregnancy? Heee. Congrats on graduating to 2nd trimester.
TM, has it started happening yet? Hang in there. That sounds so lame but please hang in there. I always remember how Paula once said that if only our future selves could come back now and tell us that eventually things go way we would not feel so helpless and heartbroken. Your future self is out there, holding that earth baby, you have to believe.
Laney, the u/s pic in your sig is so cute! I didn't know that placentas made sounds. Aren't they stuck to the uterus wall? How's supersize baby going? Any hints of kicks yet?
Megan, oooh, not long till you start TTC. We have got to get a wave of BFP's in here to try to outnumber the preggy girls! You, me, Jo, Paula, Diana, TM and Stickbaby... got to put some effort in for the new year!
Hi Rozzie!
Hugs to all.
Hi Stickybaby. I am so glad you have come to this thread as you will find all the women here wonderfully supportive and compassionate. You should never worry about why you feel the need for more children - you are a mother and it is natural that you want to have another baby. Do not let other people make you doubt your instincts. I know it is hard sometimes especially considering how vulnerable you are after suffering yet another loss, but trust in your instincts and ignore people telling you to feel 'happy' with what you have. No one can understand the deep desire a mother has after a loss for another child unless they themselves have suffered a loss. I think you are coping amazingly well given all you have gone through. :hug:
Also - a big hello and welcome to the other new ladies - I feel terrible for not having welcomed you all earlier. This is a really special place filled with incredibly special women. I hope you find the support and comfort you need in your TTC journeys.
Hi Ladies,
Stickybaby, I am glad that you decided to join us for some support. I am so sorry that you have had to go through this again. Has your doctor ever talked to you about giving heparin and low dose aspirin a try? I am very surprised that they would have let you go through so much heartache without giving any treatments a try. My OB told me that he gives it to women that have had repeated earlier losses as well as very late ones.
Lan, I can hear the placents because it has lots of blood moving through it right now. On the doppler it sounds like wind or a drawn out woosh. I have to listen for the baby through it because it is on the front wall of my uterus. I didn't realize what it was until the doctor told me.
I haven't felt any movement yet. I felt Shelby at about 15 weeks, so soon I hope.
Jo, How are you doing? I hope you are starting to recover from a the difficult few weeks.
Stickbaby -- welcome to the thread. Remember, we know you're NOT mad! *hug*
Yeah, about the doppler and the placenta... when the MW listened for a heartbeat with her doppler at our week 20 appointment, we learned that we'd been listening to the placenta the whole time with our home doppler rather than the actual heartbeat. But we got her to admit that it's same same -- the heart beat is like little horse hooves and the baby's circulation through the placenta sounds just like "whoosh whoosh whoosh" 150 times a minute or so, but it's the same speed as the heartbeat and, as the MW said, is just as good as the heartbeat for acknolwedging that the baby is still ticking!
This baby is tick-tick-ticking on my bladder all day long :P
Damnit!!! I had such a long reply and of course hit a button and it disappeared :angry:
Stickybaby, I'm so glad you've found your way here, it's a wonderful group of supportive women.
Firstly, please don't base your decision on what others think. If you want to try again and DH is supportive that is all that matters (having a great Mum helps too!!). People who have not lost a baby cannot possibly understand what it's like so they can't really offer valuable advice. Expressing an opinion is one thing, but they should also respect and support your choices. I think if you base your decision on what other people think you may look back in 10 or 20 years and regret it.
Secondly, I can personally recommend the professor at the fetal medicine unit at the Canberra hospital. He's also the main obstetrics lecturer at the ANU, and I have seen him in newspaper articles on pregnancy problems/issues so he's something of an authority. He's also very open to your wishes regarding treatment. For instance it wasn't a clear cut case of me requiring heparin but it was what I wanted so he was happy to go along with that. He's also nice and sensitive. He does pre-pregnancy counselling but you have to book a few months in advance (I had booked in but was pregnant two months prior to the appontment so ended up seeing him a lot sooner!). You can do all pregnancy care through the unit and they are very thorough with the ultrasounds.
Thirdly, I don't know what kind of tests you've had but try and get copies of the results to take with you to whomever you end up seeing. Educating youself on the results and what they men can also help, some doctors do miss things.
I'm so glad that you're up and about and still functioning after the loss of your last baby. You're very brave and strong and a wonderful mother, your kids are very lucky.
Hi to everyone else, I should be leaving for work so I don't have time for personals, will write soon!!
Qucik question, did anyone struggle with when to buy baby stuff?? I have not bought anything yet... half of me doesn't want to 'jinx' it I suppose, half of me wants to be totally positive and another half (I'm three halves!) is worried that if something were to go wrong I'd have no keepsakes. We didn't but much for Edward so it's not like we have a lot already. I went to the movies on Wednesday night with a girl from work, and beforehand I had an hour or so in town so I thought I'd buy a couple of small things but just couldn't... going into a baby shop just made me sad that I was never able to do it for Edward. I think I just don't much like being in shops by myself anymore!!!
We have Alec's cousin's wedding thing this evening (he married a Polish girl in Poland so now it's the Australian relatives' thing), I'm not looking forward to the questions from some... his grandfather's girlfriend is soooo irritating (the most annoying 85 year old you could come across!) so I think I'll just have to walk away.
Other than that bubs is doing great, really active and I love being in new pregnancy territory, getting bigger and kicks getting stronger. Only one more week of work till Chrissy and I can't wait!!!
Love Rozzie
Katiegirl, MrsRobbo, dd0207: thanks for your kind words and wishes
stickybaby: I could really relate to your post when you said about doubting yourself and listening to other peoples' opinions. DH and I have a couple close friends we told about this last preg, but when you lose so many like you and I have, it gets tiring telling people you're pregnant and then having to un-tell them. And although people mean well, sometimes they don't understand the desire for "one more" baby. It's cliche, but you really have to follow your own heart on this one, and not listen to other people. THEY don't have to live your life, but you do.
Hammi: I had some strong cramping this morning, and on and off all day, but no bleeding yet. Thank you for your words of encouragement.
Tildy: happy for you!
Rozzie27: this was only an issue with our first, but we started buying things for him after the 20 week mark. (for my daughters, we already had the stuff, obviously). Best of luck!
Hey Girls
how are you all doing. So much stuff going on with everyone!
Lan, to answer your question... yes the detox foot bath was the thing with all the black/brown gunk coming out. I was a bit skeptical but to be honest I have felt amazing ever since. Between that and the progesterone cream I really feel like I am in pretty good shape. I have also been following a mostly raw food eating plan. I'm vego, mostly vegan and have completely cut out preservatives and sugar. It is amazing how much better I feel for it.
DH and I are getting very excited about ttc next month. Every now and then though the 'what if' thought pops in my head and I completely freak out. I think all you PG women, and those that have recently suffered more losses are so incredibly brave. I just hope I find some of that courage when I do finally get my BGP. At least I'll know that I have done everything I possibly can to give this bub a fighting chance.
Sue: goss please on anniversary dinner. sounded like it could get racy!!
Helen, Laney and Rozzie: I know you've probably said already but if forgot, when are next scans etc. Sue yours must be just around the corner is it.
TM: I hope you are doing ok. I was telling DH about you last night and talking about how awful you must feel right now. Our thoughts are with you.
Sticky: so sad you had to come back here, but welcome. I heard about your loss through one of the other girls on here and my heart goes out to you. Have you had any testing done at all. Were all your losses early. My only suggestion is to have your progesterone levels checked. I say that to everyone because it has helped me so much and all the research I have done link it so heavily with pregnancy. Anyway, if its testing you want to know about you're in the right spot. I'm sure between all of us here we've had every test known to man done! Don't be shy in asking us questions. We'd love to help in any way we could.
Katie: i'm gonna to that skinny white ass whooping thing again if you don't post more pics of baby Anna soon!! seriously though, i hope the BF is sorting itself out. Once you nail it, it is very rewarding and you get such a strong connection.
And what a collection of ttcers we are getting. Correct me if I'm wrong but we now have Jo, Lan, Megan, Diana and myself and possibly Sticky. Did I forget anyone. Let me know if I did! Ok everyone stand in a big circle and I'm going to sprinkly some super powered baby dust over all of us. Then we can all dance around chanting to some funky ttc beats and have a riot of a time.
There I feel good to go, how bout everyone else!!
Ok, gotta run. Love to all and take care of yourselves!
Paula
Hi all,
Well we had a fantastic time at our anniversary dinner. I totally love the Summit, it looks over the lights of Adelaide and it has the best food. I had my glass of Rose' and it was very nice. Though I felt bubs a lot more while drinking it!!!!! which I totally loved.
Racy night!!! no, not quite... he he he DH & I still havent "done the deed" since we found out we are pregnant. I think we are going to wait until after the 20 week scan. I think we are both nervous about having some bleeding (especially since I am on asprin) and then I would be freaking out!!!! Sad isnt it....
1 week until the 20 week scan :dance: :dance: :dance: I feel I have waiting so long. I have only been getting little bits of movement and then start to panic about it, but I think it is quite normal for 1st time pregnancies. I just want to feel bubs more.....
Stickybaby - Welcome to our thread. I am so sorry you are joining us. I am the same as Helen, have posted a couple of times in the pregnancy thread and can't seem to move from here.... I want you to know that my heart broke for you and your DH when I read your post, it really really effected me and I was considering not coming back to this site. I was so happy that you have joined us and look forward to getting to know you. Now please don't listen to others, until they walk in our shoes, they will not understand. You and DH and the perfect ones to make the decision of TTC again and we look forward to helping you in your journey.
Rozzie - totally understand where you are coming from regarding purchasing things. DH is getting excited about setting up the room and I keep on holding him back. Though I have said that if all is OK in the 20 week scan, in the new year we will go out shopping.
Tempus - thinking of you.
Paula - fingers crossed for a good fun month for you and DH ;) ;).... BFP for you next month.
Tildy - with the doppler machine - it doesnt matter what you heard, its what keeps you sane. I am so glad everything is going so well for you.
Helen - you have been quite lately - Come On I need some more info on how you are going????
To the rest of you TTC, have fun and I all hope to hear of quite a few more BFP next month.
Love to you all
xxx Sue xxx
Hi lovely ladies, just a quick one today as am a bit busy.
First up, Lan read your private message from me pleeeease. Desperate to talk to you.
Stickybaby, I am so very sorry for your loss and welcome to this thread. I hope the new year is kinder to you.
TM, thinking of you honey.
Sue, sounds like you had a lovely night out and look forward to all the details on your next scan.
Paula, I am dancing and chanting away as suggested and calling out your name as well as Lan, Megan, Jo, Paula, TM, Stickbaby and myself. We will not only get a wave of BFPs soon, I can feel a tsunami coming!
Hi to all our pregnant ladies. Hope babies are all kicking madly.
AFM, had my IUI on Tuesday. Going for progesterone test on 16th then pregnancy test on the 23rd. Oh how I am so hoping for an early Xmas present.
Lots of love to everyone.
Hi dd0207,
I so hope you get your Christmas pressie.
:crossfingers::crossfingers:
xxx Sue xxx
Hi Ladies,
Im sorry it has taken me a while to get back to this thread...but I just wanted to thankyou all so much for you lovely welcomes. I have had 3 bood tests since I wrote and they each showed nicely rising HCG levels which are right on track so it seems as though everything is ok for now. Each of my 3 chem pregnancies showed no rise in hcg they just reached a certain level and then stopped, and the level was always low, hence the reason my hpt never got any darker as days went on. This time, after the faint test on Tues, I tested again on fri and it was very dark, something I had not seen since I fell pg with DS. Im terrified of m/c again, but I also know this one has higher HCG levels than the others and I have more symptoms, so that is a good start. Of course we are taking it one day at a time, Im still very cautious, I am under no illusion about how fragile the first 3 months of pg'cy are. Thankyou again for your warm welcomes and I wish you all a merry christmas and :pray: that the new year brings you your much deserved earth angel babies.
Issy
Dear Issy,
I am so glad you are going so well.
Take care of yourself and please keep in touch. I would love to know how you are going.
xxx Sue xxx
DD you've got a busy couple of weeks ahead haven't you. Make sure you let me know what your progesterone levels are. If you haven't noticed I'm obsessed with progesterone atm! Here's good vibes coming your way for the 23rd!
Sue: sounds like dinnner was lovely and I had to laugh re the no sex. DH and I never seem to have sex much before 20 weeks because I am always so sick. As good as sex can be when you have had so much worry to date, it is not worth doing anything that might cause you more worry. Its good that DH understands. The last thing you want is a persistent hubby when you really are not ready. Lets hope the movement picks up from here. It will give you so much comfort and will be a real signal that you're so much further than ever before!
Issy: what wonderful news re the HCG levels. Sounds like things are definitely different this time round. I will cross fingers and toes for you. I can also do a chanting dance if you like!!
Hi everybody
Things are pretty 'normal' at the moment, except I do tend to notice if I have had a busy day, I get a few twinges here and there. Can't remember who asked but my next scan is the 6 Jan, can't wait, I think Sue is next??? Lan - I am TRYING to keep DH at bay:whip:! I really hate it, not that I was ever a sex kitten but it is really hard! Here is to a long closed cervix still at 28 weeks and I might think about it then....only 13wks to go! I rang my gynae the other day to update him on the surgery (he used to do obstetrics) and he was like 'great I don't want to hear from you now until 28wks, then not till 34wks ok', it was kinda reassuring, I told a friend today and she was very happy for me, but it still feels sooo weird telling people or accepting their congratulations. She understood how I feel though as she has had to deal with an ectopic preg and losing her left ovary and tube, and the emotions that go with it.
Issy - Great news on your HCG lvls, youv'e got a winner!
Diana - Good luck with your prog levels, and it would be great to get some xmas BFPs!!!!!
Hi Ladies, I just got back from the doctor. I had to call them today because I have been leaking some sort of fluid. I soaked a pad everyday for the past couple of days. I just wanted to get it checked out so I didn't worry all weekend long. It turns out I have most likely been leaking a little pee. :doh: She thinks it is because this is my 3rd pregnancy in a very short period of time. I guess it should ease up a little when the baby moves up and gives my bladder a rest for a little while at least. So for now I have to be very uncomfortable and wet.
The good news is that she thought I should have another ultrasound in the office today! Everything looked good. My cervix is long and the fluid level is great. There is no way that I am leaking that much fluid from around the baby without them noticing. And she was able to tell me that IT"S A BOY!
Yahoo Laney,
Glad everything is alright and yippee for a little boy.
Congratulations
xxx Sue xxx
Laney I am glad it is nothing serious, and great news about a little boy! I didn't think they could tell yet, but when I had my ultrasound at 13 wks I reckon I could see something there, and then she moved the US thing away very quickly! But I quietly thought it might be a girl this time, I will just have to wait and see! YAY
Thanks for the good vibes girls. Paula, you will be the first to know my P4 results so you can analyse away!
Issy, fantastic HCG results. Looks like things have finally turned around for you.
Laney WOO HOO, a boy! So very happy for you.
Hello to all you other lovelies. Have DHs Xmas party tonight but really don't feel like it. I actually have not been out to a party since I lost my little boy so hopefully I will get through the night.
Take care and hope you all have a lovely weekend.
Laney: congrats on the good news at the drs. Be careful about the boy thing though... we were told Charlie was a boy at the 13week scan and when she was born found out they were wrong. It was funny though even after they told us she was a boy I still had this strong feeling she was a girl. I know 2 other people who were told boys at 13 weeks and ended up having girls. I guess they just want to keep you guessing right till the end!!
DD; good luck for the party tonight, it is so hard to put yourself back out there but its a good sign that you are going and I hope it all goes smoothly for you.
Helen: great news of drs visit. Seems like they are really relaxed so hopefully that will give you some confidence to get through the next few weeks. The 6th of Jan seems so far away but with xmas and everything hopefully it will fly by!
Hi ladies! Since I've been on a course all week for work, I haven't been able to surf so freely during work hours. I came home last night and just crashed on the sofa the whole evening, so now I have a couple days' worth of your posts waiting for me -- wow!
Where to start...
Rozzie: I haven't bought anything at all for the baby yet, but I don't know if I've struggled either. On Sunday week 16, which was the day before Beiron's EDD, I was s down and needed a pick-up, so I took DH out to the baby store and we just strolled around. I told him right away that I didn't intend to buy anything (that was to ease HIM), but that I thought it would be nice to look around, and to do it with him there too. I decided then that I would buy something after 20 full weeks, just as a way of celebrating. But here I am 24 weeks and I still haven't bought anything. But that's mostly because I thought I'd be such a good girl and have the second floor all rearranged by then, where in reality we're still only about 1/3 of the way through that job! No sense in buying anything for the baby's room if there's still a bunch of junk in there that has to be cleared out! But I have actually planned the whole room -- and I mean with pen and paper and a floor plan and product numbers from IKEA! We have a baby buggy because DH's sister has given us hers, and we have a blanket and some bibs that we got from an online friend when we met up with her in London, but those are tucked away at the very back of a closet because we received them just three days before losing Beiron, so it still stings a bit to look at them. I remember being flustered when we received them, thinking even then that it made me nervous to have baby things that early and to have received our very first baby things from an almost complete stranger...
About Alec's cousin's wedding: just see if Alec can rescue you from his grandfather's girlfriend; either you or he can come up with a line to say if she gets irritating. :) We were at Fredrik's cousin's wedding in February, and when the groom's father (who was a couple sheets to the wind) met me he did the "Wow, are you from America? You don't have an accent at all!" but then went from there into "Now tell me then, why is it that all those Arabs can be here for 20 years and still can't bloody speak Swedish?" Fredrik hopped into action immediately, knowing surely that I would have NO problem answering that question, but probably not wanting to see me cause a scene, hehe. He was all "Gosh, it's so warm in here, why don't we go out and get some fresh air?"
TM: Are you hanging in there? I feel like there isn't much to say, but just hope that you're getting lots of hugs from your DH. *hug*
Paula: Your raw foods eating plan sounds like about the opposite of the way I've been eating lately. :redface: Although I do eat lots of fruits and veggies and fiber and always have, so I get the nutrition I need; it's just all the other stuff that I DON'T need, hehe. I tried to do a vegan diet last year for 4 weeks, with no sugar, preservatives, anything but super natural stuff. It was no problem as far as enjoying the food, as we've always eaten a good variety of food and I had plenty of vegan-friendly recipes to take from my normal repetoire (perhaps cutting out the bullion cube with the weird preservatives or the added salt or so), but I only lasted a few days before I ended up breaking out in a rash all over my face! I don't know for sure if it was related of course, but it was weird.
Sue: hope you don't take my question the wrong way, but do they not recommend total abstinence from alcohol during pregnancy in Australia? Like I said, please please don't take my question the wrong way, it's just curiousity! Over the past months I've been noticing all these different things that you guys talk about eating and not eating, and I think it's interesting when we get different recommendations. Like I suspect that you guys have gotten a more strict recommendation about lunchmeats and coffee than we get -- they still say no more than 3 cups a day here, but I cut it out entirely for the first 20 weeks because I was more comfortable with that. The Swedish recommendation on alcohol is "not a single drop," and some of the guests at my Thanksgiving party -- all men, btw! -- questioned the fact that I was eating the pie that had been made with a couple teaspoons of vanilla rum! You should see the hullibaloo there's been here lately about them now saying, after copious studies, that it's okay to have a couple glasses of wine while nursing; people are actually saying that it was irresponsible for them to come out with that info and that they instead should have kept telling us that drinking while nursing is dangerous even if it's not true!! I actually know a woman who wouldn't use deoderant during pregnancy because there's alcohol in it. Swedes are crazy sometimes.
Sue and Helen - I have to have a giggle when you guys talk about sex. I bet DH and I could go 9 months without it and not even notice, what with how much spontaneous sex we've had for the last few years, heh. Then again, this pregnancy seemed to inspire us, so we had sex several times the first trimester -- and I ended up bleeding and freaking out every time of course! So putting it off for your peace of mind is certainly not a bad idea!
DD - crossing my fingers that you'll get your early Christmas present on the 23rd! Hope you can have some fun at the party tonight.
Issy -- I'm so glad to hear that your earlier fears might have been a false alarm. I know that there are some tough weeks ahead of you, but little poppy is hanging on for now, and we've got our fingers crossed that it will stay that way!
Laney -- what a scare! But I'm glad it turned out to be benign -- and that you were reassured with a thorough scan and not just brushed off. Yay for your little boy!
To avoid getting a beating from Sue - I have posted some more photos of Anna. I will also post some of her smiling soon.
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Laney - so glad to hear all is ok. And don't be embarrassed, pregnancy does weird and wonderful things to our bodies. I often wondered if I was leaking amniotic fluid and then deduced it was just a weak bladder - charming!
AWWWW, she is so sweet Katie! THANK YOU!!
Just as well you posted some more pics of Anna, Katie. I'm feeling all boo hoo for myself and really needed a little inspiration. Who do you think she looks more like? I'm thinking maybe your DH? I didn't know that babies this young smiled! How's the b/f going?
Laney, congrats on discovering that you're having a boy. I didn't know they could see willies that early. Tee hee. How cute! Sooo in about two weeks you'll start feeling movement based on your previous babies. That's even more exciting.
Rozzie, I'd be afraid to buy anything in case of jinxing things too. I bought practically nothing for Hamish. Why don't you try buying something little like a bib and see how that makes you feel?
Tildy, for some reason I imagined Swedes to be all loving pacifists and was surprised to hear you say that they can also be racist. I always thought that they say not to have any alcohol in pregnancy here too but then once in a while a report will pop up to say that maybe one glass of red is actually better than none. I don't drink anyway so I don't pay attention but I am fanatical about eating loads of fruit and vegies and organic meat etc. Made me giggle to hear that you're still having the fibre issue. Heee.
Jo, Jo, where are you? Probably being worked off your feet in this Christmas rush? Just want to hear that you're doing OK.
TM, thinking of you and hoping that you're hanging in there.
Sue, morph scan this Friday! Soooo exciting. Remember to ask for a DVD of the scan.
Hi Paula, Diana, Megan, Helen and everyone else. I'm working this weekend (writing a tender submission, it's a team effort: me doing the writing and 4 other people doing the panicking about the deadline - go team!) but couldn't help popping in.
Hi all,
Tildy, the alcohol thing is not clear cut here I think... I don't think the official advice is not complete abstinence, just that there is no proven safe level of drinking, which is sort of similar I guess... The most recent thing I heard was a study found that women who drank low amounts of alcohol (1 or 2 per week) actually had better pregnancy outcomes than those who abstained!!! Confusing. Anyway I have a glass of wine every two or three weeks and there doesn't seem to be a stigma here about low levels of consumption.
Katie, Anna is such a cute little button, you look so at ease with each other, easy to say that from a pic when she's not crying I guess!!
Laney, I think I may be with you on the weak pelvic floor thing... I'm not leaking as such but do if I sneeze and sometimes when I stand up after using the toilet. We must be determined with our pelvic floor exercises!!
Helen, after a brief tryst 5 weeks ago I'm abstaining again... just don't feel like it and found it mildly uncomfortable last time. But I do feel a bit guilty, Dh is so wonderful and patient. I hope you get great cervix measurements and can go to town!!
Issy, congrats on the levels, they sound very encouraging and very different from your recent M/C experiences, hope you start feeling very nauseous very soon!
TM, I hope your M/C is finished and was fast and merciful... I've not been through one so can't offer any advice or imagine how painful it must be to say goodbye. Take care of yourself.
Sue, pretty sure you still haven't answered whether you will find out the sex and if you'll be letting the world know???
Hi to eveyone else.
The wedding thing was OK, except there were a couple of baby boys there, typical. I managed to avoid Alec's grandfather's girlfriend for most of the night, though she did manage to get one thing in which really upset me. She said 'we were so sorry to hear of... but now everything's good!!' Why do people think that because I'm pregnant again that makes everything better??!?!! I wouldn't go up to someone who lost a 5 year old child and say it's all good because they're pregnant or because they have other children... Even my mother, who's usually a very sensitive person and has rarely upset me, responded to news of my pregnancy by whipping out photos of my new niece as somehow I would have changed how I felt overnight. Anyway, I know it doesn't come from a bad place, just find it a bit insulting to the memories of our lost babies to imply their loss doesn't matter now we're having new children.
DH and I went to the library yesterday and borrowed a heap of books on caring for babies- it seemed like a good compromise between buying things and doing nothing LOL!! Also I gave a guy from work a lift home on Friday, and he goes 'I have to ask, are you pregnant?' I said yes and he offered me some baby clothes and things that he and his wife don't need anymore (they're having a girl in Feb but have way too much from their two kids). He did this the first time round as well, and I guess he asked if I were pregnant because of what happened last time... as it is very obvious I'm pregnant, I have a belly and am in maternity uniform! Anyway, buying some second hand clothes doesn't seem like too much of a statement/commitment so I'll do that :)
Big hugs to everyone and lots of babydust to our randy tryers!!!
Love Rozzie
Thank you Katie, she is just too cute and you just look too pleased with yourself!!! How lovely for us all to see you looking so content with a gorgeous bundle of joy in your arms. I'm with Lan, it is a real inspiration.
Lan, try not to feel Boo Hoo although working on a Sunday is enough to make anyone feel boo hoo! I had another detox bath today. They told me it gets worse before it gets better and they were right. YUCK! But I just kept thinking how lovely and pure I'll be for ttc in a few weeks. I'm not sure how the wine i've just put in the fridge factors into that equation though! DH and I were thinking xmas carols and wine down the beach tonight.
Tildy: great to hear from you. Sounds like you have a bit to do before now and Kebab's arrival. I know with Ethan I left everything till the last minute. And that was when I thought all pregnancies ended well!
Hi to everyone else. Updates please!!!
Paula
Rozzie: our posts crossed over. Im glad the party wasn't too bad. It seems like no matter where we go there will always be someone with something inappropriate to say. It sounds like your work mate at least has some tact. I can't believe your ticker is at week 24. FLYING!
OMG Katie, Anna is absolutely gorgeous - your pictures are beautiful. Though keep them coming. I expect to see Anna in a Christmas outfit soon... he he he
DD207 - How did you go at the party??? Hoping everything went well and that you felt OK there.
Paula - Your detox baths sounds interesting - never heard of them before. Is it meant to get all the bad toxins out???
Tildy - Well alcohol while pregnant they say not to do it at all, but most Ob says the occasional glass is OK. Very confusing sometimes, but again, I would only have a glass occasionally. I think I am working up to my next glass for my birthday in February.
Laney - what pregnancy does!!! I am also in need of working on the pelvic muscles. I also lose some urine when I sneeze and it is very frustrating. I have tried when urinating to stop half way and hold it, but it doesnt seem to be working. OK girls what other things can I do to strenthen those muscles!!!!
Lan - Need to check, where are you in your cycle. I wish sometimes that you were still charting, so I could see what was happening - I know thats selfish!!!!!
Rozzie - Yep DH and I want to know what we are having, if bubs allows us!!! I like to personalise things and when I rub my belly, I want to say its name. We are also not keeping it a secret, so everybody will know. So hopefully Friday, I will be able to tell you guys.
Well all, I had a worrying weekend, last week I could feel bubs quite a bit and then Friday to Sunday, didnt feel bubs hardly at all. I know I am early stages to feel movement, but the worrying about lack of movement has started already. Must admit, I am so glad I am seeing the Ob on Thursday and then having morphology scan on Friday - I really need to see bubs, it has been so long (since 13 weeks). Actually too long for my liking and I think I will tell the Ob that. I think that they treat everybody the same and my fears (I think) are greater than some others. Anyway I have felt bubs this morning, so I am a little happier.
Hoping everyone had a good weekend.
xxx Sue xxx
Sue, I'm glad bubba is moving for you this morning, you have made me want to voice my fears about movement! Girls I need some 'Don't be silly' inspiration! When I was pregnant with Cooper, I had movement from 14 weeks (Corey was from about 18 wks) being 2nd time around they all say you feel it earlier. Well I am now over 15wks and haven't felt a THING!! It is driving me insane, I now it is still early etc but I really thought being the 3rd that I would have felt something by now, it is starting to really play on my mind. I am wondering maybe I will make an appt with my GP next week if I still haven't felt anything just to hear the heartbeat again.
Helen, I'd go see the Dr just to reassure myself. Although Baby 3 is still very small and might've decided to migrate to the back of your uterus like Tildy's baby. Don't be naughty baby, come out and kick mummy some good ones!
Sue I think it's really lovely to know your baby and call him/her by name. One of my friends is expecting her first baby in March and when we talk about the baby, it's really nice to say his name. Have you got names picked out yet? Oh, I'm on CD11. I got into trouble with my homoeopath recently. Last time we TTC-ed until about CD15 then I broke out in rash, got stomach pains and started waking up at 3am every night so we stopped. Then I was explaining to my homoeopath about all the reasons why we can't TTC this month either and she told me that I'm just putting up obstacles to get pregnant and all my physcial symptons are me freaking out about TTC. It's true now that she's pointed it out. I'm more insane than I thought! But I'm giving it a good go this time.
Diana, glad you made it through the party OK and enjoyed the chance to dress up. I'll PM you.
Paula, how many detox baths are you going to have? At what interval? Does the water turn totally black? Did you do the Christmas carols and wine on the beach last night? Sounds terribly romantic... sure you're not TTC-ing ;-)
Rozzie, that woman is the most annoying 85yo I've ever heard of. They're supposed to be cute and warm and crocheting at that age, not running around sticking their foot into their mouth. Have you started reading the baby books yet? The only after pregnancy book I have is Baby Love and that's really easy to read. The stuff she talks about don't seem easy to do though. Like bathing the baby and breastfeeding. Tricky!
Wow, someone's sailing on the harbour. Jealousing!
Hugs to all.