Trying to Conceive after Still Birth/ Late Loss/Recurrant Miscarriage ~ December 2008

Katie, Anna is soooo beautiful and you look blissfully happy.

Lan, gotta love that team work! Sorry you are feeling boo hoo. Hope today is a little better for you.

Laney, isnt it funny we are happy it is wee - no-one else would ever understand :D

Rozzie, I dont know how you stopped yourself from clobbering that woman. Sorry she upset you but unfortunately there are so many like her out there that do not understand us.

Sue, oh thank God bubs is moving around for you. It must have been very scary.

Helen, dont be silly !! Doesnt work does it? I am sure everything is fine but if you are concerned, call your OB. I am sure he will fit you in for a reassurance check.

Party went well, it was actually nice to dress up and go out. I sat near a girl 32 weeks pregnant. At first I couldn?t breathe but I settled in and really enjoyed myself.

Big hugs to all.

Hi ladies!!!

Yes, that woman is a very annoying 85yo... I'm pretty sure his grandfather knows she's annoying but after his wife passed a few years back it's good he has some company. She's really loud (with a peircing, cackling laugh) and opinionated too, and he's so lovely, I don't know how he puts up with her.

Lan, of course you shouldn't force yourself to TTC if you're not up to it but I also think that in our situation there will never be a perfect time to conceive or to be pregnant... sometimes you just have to give it a go and trust your body will know the right time. I read a bit of the baby books, I wanted baby love but couldn't find it, will have to reserve it.

Helen, I think that your bub is still a little small to worry, the placenta may be in a more cushioning position or your baby may like a certain position that was different to Cooper. So get checked out for peace of mind, but don't worry too much in the meantime!!

Sue, can't wait to find out the sex!! are you also going to tell us the name? Also try not to worry about bub's movement, easier said than done I know... my bub had a quiet weekend but is back at it again today (right in the bladder and cervix!) it's happened a couple of times too, I think it's normal.

Laney, don't think I've congratulated you yet on your little baby boy!!! Wonderful news.

Paula, these detox baths sound intriguing... how do they work?

How are you travelling Stickybaby?

I am so OVER work!!! I am soooo unproductive. I don't think my boss even cares either. I'm having 2 weeks off and he's having 4, and I said to him today that we should sit down and work out what I should do while he's away, seeing as I have a few meetings lined up and want to make sure we're on the same page... he said not to worry too much as he doesn't expect me to solve many issues while he's away... he's very considerate, I think he realises that work stress is not in my capacity at present!! He and other people in the office have heaps on so feel bad... but not for long hehehe. The Air Force has had more than its pound of flesh from me in the past few years so it can accommodate me for a little bit I figure.

Looking forward to some more sex announcements (baby wise I mean!!) from Sue and perhaps Helen.

Love Rozzie

Hi Ladies

Firstly DD: glad the party went well. Was thinking of you and you can feel relieved that you have overcome another milestone on the road to recovering from such a sad loss. Well done!

Sue: yay for bubs moving and I'm so excited now to find out the sex. it will help us all visualise your little one making his/her safe arrival into this world.

Helen: try not to worry too much re the movement. I never felt Ethan or Charlie until after 16 weeks and even then it was so slight that I wasn't really sure. I think from memory it was closer to 18 or 19 weeks when I felt really confident about movement with Ethan. With Charlie I had a couple of definite sessions with her wriggling around before she passed so that would have been around the same time. In short at 16 weeks 'don't be silly girlfriend', you have nothing to stress about!!

Rozzie: its so good to hear that your boss is being considerate of your situation and you have every right to put yourself first. Its not just you but bub as well so you deserve to have it a little easier than you might normally.

As for Lan, Sue and Rozzie and your Q's re the detox. I think the way they work is that they put this thing on your arm which sends negative (or positive I can't remember) ions into your body that attract the toxins. Then as your feet are so porous they have another thing in a foot bath which draws the ions out with the toxins attached. It takes 30 minutes and the water goes from clear to freakishly gross! As the toxins are released they react with the air and change shape, color etc so the therapist can tell you what your body is releasing. The first time I had a bit of everything, but this time it was mostly in relation to my reproductive system which of course I found very interesting.

You are not supposed to do it when pregnant so I thought I might do one more just before AF is due this month and then that's it before ttc. They suggest having it done about every 2 weeks to eliminate the continuous onslaught of toxins our body accumulates. I'm not sure if I would do that ongoing but the first few sessions are supposed to get most of the crap out and then its just maintenance.

Lan: re the romantic evening. We didn't end up going but had a bottle of wine (whoops about the detoxing) and a lovely dinner. Then I had a fight with my Mum and it kind of killed any frisky vibes we had going. DH was loving my Mum right about then!!

Paula -- that detox bath thing sounds interesting, and kinda gross! You guys have all these different therapies that you're doing that I've never heard of. I've been to the chiropractor today, that's about as far out as I've gotten! Sorry to here you and your mom had a dust; some moms can be good at ruining a person's day (or week or month in my case...).

I know what you mean about being over work, Rozzie. I have my "personal development" talk with my boss on Friday, and I have no idea what I'm going to say. You're supposed to talk about what you want to do in the coming year, what you want to work with, what you want to do better or learn etc. I'm feeling just kind of like "I barely belonged here to begin with, and I so don't give a crap." :P I think he might actually understand if I say that my vocational development hasn't exactly been on my mind, though. What do I plan on doing next year? Being on maternity leave! :P

DD - wow, good job about that party. It can't have been easy to be sitting near a girl would was 32 weeks. I wouldn't have faulted you if you hadn't been able to stay! When we had a good friend's wedding in June, we made sure I had a "way out" in case I felt the need to leave. The fact that it was a social party was bad enough -- I'm normally crowd-shy and after the miscarriage it escalated to actual severe panic-fear of other people -- but one of my best friends, 37 weeks pregnant at the time, was there as well. I eventually ended up using the way out (our non-drinking Buddhist friend who rode down with us said "Screw the overnight, it's time for Lori to go home," heh) because I just kept going away from the party to hide and cry. So anyway, what I'm saying is, I think it's nothing to sneeze at that you were able to enjoy yourself at the party!

Lan -- it's definitely right that there will never be a "perfect" time to TTC or be pregnant. I think your homeopath is right, that it's important that you give it all you've got now -- you've been working so hard to get here! I know it's going to be rough, but coming out on the other side of that roughness feels awesome -- I feel like I already have!

Helen -- I'll be happy to say "Don't be silly!" if you'll actually allow that. :D Of course, I don't actually think you ARE silly, as I know how the thinking process works and that it's easy to worry about anything. But that's why it's good that we all have each other -- we're super good at worrying ourselves about things we know are nothing to worry about. I agree with everyone else -- NOTHING wrong with going in to get it checked out to ease your mind, but I bet everything is just fine and that it's still too early for you to feel anything strong yet.

Sue -- yeah, I have also heard about that study that said 1-2 glasses of wine a week or something like that was shown to have a good effect on the pregnancy (was it a British study?). I don't drink much, and to be perfectly honest, when I do, it's intentionally to get a buzz, since I HATE the taste, so I'm not suffering from the total abstinence thing. But what I'm missing right now is Gl?gg -- it's a spiced, warm wine they drink here in Sweden during Christmas season. You put raisins and blanched almonds in it and drink it with ginger snap cookies. The most popular gl?gg brand puts out a special flavor every year, and this year it's blueberry! I thought, damn, it can't be THAT bad, as it's only 10% alcohol and you have a very small glass and it's even cooked up and boiled, for crying out loud, but darned if the midwife didn't say no no no! And it would be no fun hiding in a corner drinking a cup of gl?gg all by myself, as that's what I'd have to do in order to not have people go "OMG, you can't have that!"

Wonderful pictures, Katie! Anna is so beautiful (and so are you)!

Okay, I don't know if you guys will think it's weird if I share this with you, as you might not have the same morbid interest in catharsis as I do, but I just wrote a blog post about an article I found in the newspaper today regarding an incident with a pregnant woman and an idiot doctor. If you don't want to read about how very stupid doctors can be or read my swear-laden response, then please don't read it, but I thought you guys might be interested: The Pessimist's Cookbook: Boiling Point . I wish I could find out who the woman was and give her a big hug.

Hi Ladies,

I have a bunch of posts to catch up on. You ladies have been so busy over the past couple of days. Once and a while I read the pregnancy thread posts and they might have a week without a single one. I would love to post over there but I don't have anything to respond to. I guess it is because most of us pregnant ladies have not wanted to leave this active thread.

I stopped taking my progesterone cream last week. My doctor didn't tell me that I was going to feel so awful after I did. I have had headaches, cramps, diarrhea, nausea, and a tiny bit of spotting. I feel much better now but it took a few days. It was a bit much for me on top of the leaking urine problem. I have spent a few days taking it easy and sleeping in. I have another doctor's appt. on Friday. I know when they see me coming they say "here comes that crazy pregnant woman again".

I am glad to hear that I am not the only one with weak pelvic muscles. It does sound like I have it a bit worse though. I first noticed the problem when I caughed. Now if I even get to the point where I feel like I need to take a trip to the bathroom I feel a leak. I know, TMI. I just can't believe how fast it went from a tiny problem to a big one. It isn't a big enough problem that I wouldn't go through it a few more time if it means bringing home earth angels.

I think that I might be feeling this little boy kick a few times a day. It is an obvious something. It is not gas. I have felt this twice before but I am still not too sure.

sorry for the all about me post, I will be back later for personals.

Hi, everybody, ran out of time for personals, but wanted to spread some :bluedust: and :stickyvibesgirl:.

M/C hasn't started yet, so I'm just going about my normal (whatever that means) business and waiting. I have to get bloodwork tomorrow to make sure the hcg is decreasing. But I have sluggish hormones. It could be awhile. But I'm not in any (physical) pain, so I'm not really in a rush.

Hi all,

Helen - I know exactly where you are coming from with the movement stuff. If you need reassurance, please get it!!! You are early, but I totally understand, as I went to the GP a couple more times, just to hear the heartbeat.

Lan & Rozzie - Yes we do have names picked out. If it is a girl, we are naming her Lily and if it is a boy, we are naming him Blake. Rozzie, I am exactly the same at work, waiting for Christmas to have some days off. Today I have been officially at my work for 23 years (can you believe it!!!). I think they are very fortunate to have a long standing commited employee. Another girl at work is pregnant and about the same stage as me, at the beginning of her pregnancy she was very sick and took 3 weeks off sick etc etc.

Paula - the Detox sounds interesting, especially with the water turning black. Do you feel better from having it???

Tildy - Your "personal dev" talk, is what we call at work our "performance appraisals" and yes it is very hard when you really arent going to spend much time at work during the next 12 months. I put in that my goal, after the baby was born, is to do more website development etc.

Laney - How are you feeling??? you poor thing with coming off the progesterone and having cramps and spotting - it must have been very scary.

Tempus moriendi - great to hear from you and hoping you are all OK. You are in my thoughts.

dd0207 - I am very proud of you. It must have been hard sitting next to the pregnant lady at the party.

Stickybaby - thinking of you and hoping you are OK.

Katie - How's our gorgeous Anna??? hoping you are going well with the BF.

Jo - Havent heard from you for a while. Hoping you are OK.

Well with me had an interesting night. I think I felt more definate movement. When I sleep on my left side, I push the top leg right over and party squash part of my belly. Well each time I did that, I could feel bubs moving and kicking and it would wake me up. So that was very reassuring. Though I felt like I was squashing bubs and would move over to my right side and then my hip would hurt!!!!

xxx Sue xxx

Thanks for being proud of me and patting my shoulder girls, I know only you can understand. DH was great and said at any time I felt I did not want to be there, we would leave. At first it wasnt easy but after learning how to breathe again, it was fine and she had a beautiful belly. Yes Paula, I guess it is another milestone on my road to recover that I have overcome. Never thought about it that way.

Helen, hope bubs is making his/her presence felt. Please update us asap!

Paula, that detox thing, although gross as you put it, sounds amazing. I imagine you would feel quite cleansed afterward. I may have to look into it.

Tildy, good luck with your "personal development" talk. I had my "performance review" just after I lost my little boy and when my boss asked me what I wanted for myself the coming year, I said "a baby". It just came out! I had to do some serious back peddling after that but Im sure he saw right through me. Hmmm that drink you are describing sounds delicious! Perhaps just a sip?
I cannot believe that article!! I am shell shocked with the negligence of the doctor, not to mention the fact they did not think it was a big deal. How bloody infuriating. I dont think you cursed enough in your very articulate and direct blog! Good on you, very proud.

Laney, sorry you were feeling crampy and yuk, glad you are feeling better now.

TM sending you big hugs. Hope you are doing ok considering.

Sue, such beautiful names. How very exciting to feel those kicks. I would put my hip out to ensure I felt movements all the time! Congratulations on your 23 years at work!

Lan, it is a very emotional and scary time but we will all be there holding your hand every step of the way - infact we are going to be birthing buddies remember! Well pacing corridors together at least!

Rozzie, glad your boss is being considerate and hope all is well with you.

Jo, where are you?

Hi Katie, hope you and precious little Anna are doing well.

My P4 results are 25. The nurse told me this morning they are looking for a level of at least 35 but when I asked her about it now that she called with the result, she said my FS is happy with this number. I also asked about prog support but she said I didnt need it. Oh am so confused. Paula, I bet you have been waiting anxiously for this result so pleeeeease analyse away! 

Hey Girls, glad to see you've all been busy today...

Laney: yay for kicks but sorry you have been feeling so crappy since coming of the progesterone. Heres hoping it helps you sort everything out.

DD: re the P4 results I am not sure if this is the same test as what I had. My test results just say 'progesterone' but they were 23.9 so not dissimilar to yours if they are the same test. My dr said that is definitely at the low end of normal. The range is between 12-90 so that may be why you've had conflicting advice. Your results are officially normal but at the low end of normal. My dr said that it wouldn't hurt to try because on the natural progesterone cream you can't really OD or anything. The fact that my usually horrid pms vanished as did my period pain etc indicates that i really needed a boost!. If I were you I would maybe chat to a couple of other drs. My dr does phone consults and I'm happy to give you his number if you like. He then sends a script through to a compounding chemist close to you so you can pick up the cream. Do you get pms etc, if so then I would definitely try it. You could always get an appointment with your FS and really push him on the point, ask if it would do any harm. I have read so many horror stories related to low progesterone and pregnancy loss, with a result of 25 I would definitely investigate a little further, it can't hurt. Sorry to go on about it, its just that my entire life has changed virtually overnight once I got hold of this cream and if thats your problem then I'd hate to think of you suffering when the solution is so simple.

TM: glad you are doing ok. keep your chin up. If you don't mind me asking, how come they are making you wait. It seems very cruel for you to have to sit around just waiting for the miscarriage to occur. Have they given you a reason?

Sue: OMG 23 years at your job. I hope they are giving you 12 months paid maternity leave. They should even give you 9 months paid pregnancy leave!! And how exciting about the movement. I know with Charlie I always felt her when I lay on a particular side. I think your names are gorgeous. DH and I have Lily shortlisted if we have a girl next time round. Its such a pretty feminine name isn't it.

Tildy: yay for maternity leave next year. I think you should definitely put that in your development review in big bold red letters!!

Hi to Lan, Berry, Sticky, Helen, Rozzie, Issy, Katie (and Anna) I hope you are all well.

Hi Ladies,

You have been busy, I had lots of catching up to do.

Katie, your photo's are beautiful, how sweet is your little girl. Can you believe that it is all real now? I'm sure you can with all the B/F - lol.

Laney, congrats on knowing it's a boy! It does sound early to know, wonderful news. Hope the leaking is getting better. Our bodies are quite amazing, I'm sure if you work hard at your pelvic floors you can turn things around pretty quickly.

Issy, I hope you are doing ok and little one is growing nicely. TM, thinking of you, you poor thing. An awful thing to wait for. Surely your OB / hospital can't move things on, must be hard to concentrate and be quite upsetting. Take care.

Helen, 15-wks sounds awfully early for movement, I agree with the girls, I am sure things are absolutely fine, but always get a scan if you are really worried.

Sue, love the names Lilly & Blake. Nice that you have them picked out already.

I am just busy at work, can't wait to wind down for Christmas, on holiday from Friday. Am starting to work out my days to TTC next month, quite excited about that. Can't believe how 'into' it I can get with tracking my cycle - quite sad. Anyway I use Maybe Baby which I find really helpful in determining O, does anyone else use it? I don't track temps etc, looks too hard.

Hello to everyone else, Lan, Diana, Tildy, Rozzie, Paula, Tocarra, and anyone I have missed.

Hi girls! Hope everyone is doing well since my last post :grouphug:

Paul, thank you so much for the info. I didnt realise there are other types of P4 tests. My test was to check P4 levels on CD21 which was 7dpo IUI. When I took Clomid last month, my P4 on CD21 was 43 (no HCG trigger or IUI) so I naturally assumed the level would be higher using FSH injections and HCG trigger shot? So do you think a level of 25 could support a pregnancy? Yes, I do get horrible PMS so perhaps I could benefit from the cream. My FS has definitely said I do not need support so I doubt he will give it to me even if I push. I have a pg bt next Tuesday (BFP please :pray:) so will have a more in-depth chat to the nurse about my result or TRY to get in and see the dr for a quick chat. I am feeling really deflated as I really hate the conflicting information between her and my FS. I may give your dr a call for a second opinion, depending on the pg result of course! Thank you so much for offering :hug:

Hi Megan, very excited for you while you prepare for next month. Praying you get your BFP and start the tsunami off! :goodluck::pray:

Firstly ladies, thank you for telling me not to worry about the movement, I know it's only early, I just thought having felt Cooper so early I would feel movement early this time too, but different baby different pregnancy. I have decided to just let things be for a bit longer, I am not even sure if there has been some very very slight flutters since I posted, fingers crossed.
Jo & Lan - you must be close to O day again, hoping for the best.
TM - Has anything started to happen yet? I had found out with my first miscarriage at 6 wks that the baby had passed away, I waited about 3 wks and still nothing so had a D & C, I wonder to this day whether that was the right thing to do. It is such a horrible time, hugs to you.
Stickybaby - How are you going? Big hugs to you too.
Megan - I am glad the Maybe Baby works for you, it was hopeless with me! Honestly once you know how to chart it is really addictive and very easy. Problem is with things like Maybe Baby, they can be inaccurate, but from everything I have ever read about temps, it is pretty much written in stone when you o'd, only thing is it doesn't predict O, just confirms it happened. If you have a pretty normal cycle, MB would be fine to help predict it. Good luck.
Diana - Hope you get your BFP too! Bring them on girls!!!!!!!
Hi to all, Sue good luck with your scan on Friday if I don't get back on here in time!

Hey Girls

Megan: I haven't tried Maybe Baby, i chart on fertility friend. I am so used to shoving a thermometer in my mouth every morning now that it really is no effort. Just took a week or so to get into the habit. Glad to hear your planning ttc dates for next month. I am doing the same thing, lets hope we goth get a BFP to bring in the New Year.

DD: sounds like the same test, I had to do mine on CD21 as well. I couldn't really say if 25 is enough to support a pregnancy, all I know is that my levels were similar and I feel so much better on the cream. I would certainly be asking a few questions anyway. My dr wants me to use it well into the 2nd trimester, maybe even the third. It is usually only a problem in the 1st trimester however because i get so much morning sickness right through pregnancy he thinks my body struggles to produce progesterone. With both my miscarriage and when I lost Charlie, my morning sickness stopped about a week or 2 before so I'm just connecting the dots. I'll have my fingers crossed for next tuesday~

Gotta run and finish dinner. I'm on the ttc countdown now and getting very excited... anxious... and down right terrified!

Hey guys, just wanted to share the news that I'm not sacked! They finished the lay-off negotiations at my work yesterday, the ones that have been going on since they announced them in October, so today we all got these envelopes that were either empty or had a "Sorry, we can't keep you" letter in them. I don't know if anyone in my department even got laid off, as rumors are that it's another department that isn't generating business, but we have to wait a while to get that confirmed as they're only allowed to tell us about ourselves right now. He told me though that my name was never even on the list of people being considered for lay-off, and that I was one of the reasons they laid off 32 instead of 37, by having told them right away that I was pregnant, because it meant they knew they'd have one less personnel cost most of next year. Anyway, tonight after the midwife appointment we're going to treat ourselves to dinner out and celebrate Kebab at 25 weeks and me still having a job!

I've never seen that Maybe Baby service, but I think Fertility Friend and temp charting really were very easy. The hardest part is simply getting into the habit of taking your temp before getting out of bed, but that doesn't take long -- I got pregnant on my first month of charting and it was hard to STOP taking my temp! I always got the thermometer into my mouth before I was awake enough to know what I was doing.

Just two day of work left before 2 and a half weeks of Christmas vacation, can't wait! And since the next two days are mostly Christmas lunches and parties and such, I feel like it's almost vacation already!

That's great news Tildy. sounds like dinner is a must, keeping your job and 25 weeks. It probably doesn't seem like it to you but wow that time has flown. It doesn't seem that long ago that you were getting ready for your 12 week scan!

Oooh, that's good news Tildy. Dinner with dessert must be had! I like chocolate cake with fresh cream. Oh but I don't think you can have fresh cream when preggers? Must be a relief to have your holiday knowing there's job to come back to! Check out your ticker - 25 wks!

So Paula, exactly when will you start TTC? I'm really happy that we're trying together.

Speaking of TTC buddies, where is Jo? I'll look up her Facebook. It's been a week since she's been on here.

Diana, I always catch my breath when I see a pregnant woman or someone with a young baby. I'm glad you were able to breathe through it and enjoy the party. When's game on for you?

Saw that Katie has mastisis. Ouch! Are you on panadol or cabbage leaves?

Helen, you are very mature to sit and wait. I'd be panicking uselessly and upsetting myself. When's your next appt?

Megan I used a Maybe Baby for my very first pregnancy and it kind of helped but sometimes it would fern for no apparent reason. I like temping more and was even addicted to it for about five months but I've been banned from doing it since TTC-ing so I'm flying blind (while scrutinising my CM very closely).

I think I O'd today. I've jumped David two days straight (graduating from every second day before fertile CM - very scientific) and he thinks he's got no swimmers yet but... watch out for tonight!

Hi and hugs to everyone - especially Sue for the big gender revealing scan tomorrow!!!!!

hi girls you are a very busy bunch will try and get better with personals as i get to know u all.I went for my 6wk check today and we are all good have also spoken with our ivf doc and he told us to dtd and try the old fashion was untill i get my periods and then we will look further, i'm rather excited about this and also scared as all crap because of the outcome and the problems we had last time.I just have to say how amazing all you ladies are in here you have given me so much insperation(sp) over the short time i have been reading all you posts so a big THANK-YOU for making me feel apart of you all.

Hi lovely ladies.

Thanks Paula, will try and get in to see FS on Tuesday and hammer questions at him about the cream. I suppose it would be too late in my cycle to start now but perhaps next time (or maybe not if I get my BFP next week!)

Tildy, congratulations on not being laid off! Hope you had a lovely dinner.

Lan, oh how Im praying you catch that egg this month! Jump away tonight!!Sounds sick when I say will be thinking of you but you know what I mean... I am still in the game, have my pg bt on Tuesday but I am so worried about my progesterone levels not being high enough so now I am not very confident.

Sue, you must be so excited. Can't wait to hear all the beautiful details.

Helen, did you make an appt to see your OB?

Megan, so when are you jumping bones this month?

Katie, hope all is healing in that department. Christmas with Anna, how wonderful.

Dee, another jumper! Good luck hun. Hope we all get our BFPs close together.

Have our work Xmas party today so will not be able to check in until tomorrow - don't know about you girls but I hate it when I am away from my computer and not able to communicate with you for a while... I get seperation anxiety!

Lots of love and big hugs to everyone.

Dear girls,

Well I am back from the morphology scan.

Everything look really good and bubs heart was beating very strong and arms and legs moving all over the place.

Well we are having a little girl. Which is so exciting.

But the best part is that all organs were present and looked good.

So excited now.

xxx Sue xxx

So exciting to hear, Sue! I'm so happy that you've come this far and have gotten to see your little girl flailing around in there. The next few weeks are sure to bring a swift increase to the kicking and punching in there!

Spreading around lots of baby dust for our many TTCers!

YAY Sue great news!!
and no to those ladies that asked have I been to the DR, I took Corey for a check up today, (she squeezed us in as this is her last day before hols) she just said it is still very early, and wasn't concerned at all, and I had decided to just leave things be until after Xmas anyway.

YAY!!! So glad Sue's bub is perfect and a little girl, how lovely!!!!

Oh wow Sue, your premonition was right. Lily's here! Congrats!

I'm going to the coast for a week so in case I don't get on before Christmas, I wish all of you, my wonderful friends a Christmas watched over by all our angels. For all the TTC-ers, I wish for BFPs for us all. For all the expectant mums, I wish the safe and speedy arrival of your earth babies. For our new mummy and resident champion, Katie, I wish you a wonderful first Christmas with Anna in your arms and Nathaniel in your heart.

Love to you all.

Congratulations Sue - so lovely to read that you had an excellent scan. It must have been lovely.

Lan - thank you for the Christmas wish - and you are right I will have Anna in my arms and Nathaniel in my heart. Such a lovely way to word it - thank you.

I hope the Christmas period is kind to you all. I know it is a hard time of year for mothers of angels, but know that your little ones are taking care of you. This time last year I thought I would never smile again, and yet here I am a year later, still missing my darling baby boy but blessed to be able to hold his sister. It will happen for all of you, keep faith that happy times are ahead. You are a special group of women and your babies are lucky to have found you. :grouphug:

Good morning beautiful ladies.

Sue, a little girl and an excellent scan! How wonderful. Am so very happy for you and we can't wait to welcome Lily into our lives.

Helen, glad you feel more confident and I am sure bubs will kick away madly for you very soon.

Lan, a Merry Christmas to you and David and more importantly, a prayer that the new year brings your much deserved earth baby. Your message was so lovely, thank you. I am certain all our little angels are watching over us. Enjoy your week away.

Katie, a big thank you to you too for your lovely message. It is so encouraging coming from you.

Lan you have a wonderful time away, you have a lovely way of wording things, and I am crossing my fingers ( everything I own) that we will all be holding our earth babies next year. Have a wonderful Xmas if we don't hear from you.
Hi to all I really have to fly this morning, hope all is well, Jo - are you OK?

Sue... how exciting that little Lily put on such a show for you. I can't wait until it is you posting your pics of holding her in your arms with a big satisfied grin on your face.

I don't know about everyone else but I have been praying that 2009 is a great year for all of us. I love to picture us all chatting still next christmas and maybe all of us moving to a new thread entitled 'earth angels in our arms at last!'.

Fingers and toes crossed hey!

Hi Ladies,

I just wanted to tell everyone Merry Christmas. I know the holidays are a very difficult time of the year for everyone in here. I am trying very hard to think positive for the future. The year to come is going to be bring great things for all of us :pray:.


Tomorrow is my 27th birthday. I am having a little trouble getting into the celebrating mood. It is only 2 weeks until my next scan. That is the ultrasound that has always told us that our babies are not growing well. I have been having a very emotional few days and I know that it is only going to get worse before it gets better. It has helped a little to have our little man kicking away in there. I wish the kicks were more constant but I know it is still really early. I am lucky to be feeling anything at all. It always makes me smile when I get a huge unexpected kick.

Hello Girls,

Sue, congratulations on a positive scan and a little girl, such wonderful news, you must be very excited!

Congrat's to you Tildy for keeping your job (it's very tough globally now isn't it) & for Kebab being 25 wks, that little car on your ticker is racing away.

Happy Birthday for tomorrow Laney! I can completely understand how nervous you must be about the upcoming scan. Kicks must be a really good sign, 15 wks is so early so that's great! As hard as it is do celebrate your birthday and your little one growing inside of you. I'll be thinking of you.

Dee, I can't remember welcoming you here? So welcome! glad your 6-wk check-up went well. Good-luck for your TTC journey, I hope it's a quick one for you.

Diana, no jumping bones this month lol - not for baby reasons anyway! Jan is the starting month. Have decided to relax this month and enjoy a couple of wines over Christmas, so it's action stations in Jan. So that means it will be Paula, Dee?, TM, Lan, Tocarra, yourself and me all trying in Jan. Hope I haven't missed anyone. Add your name if I have, will be good to keep track of all the TTC'ers.

Katie, thank you for your words of encouragement. Great to have you in this thread. Enjoy your little girl over Christmas, such a special time for you and your DH.

All those with little ones growing, give your tummy's a nice rub for those of us who are hoping to be in the same situation next year! I am so happy for you all and hope for safe deliveries in 2009!

For all the TTC'ers like me, be expectant of a great 2009, a babe in arms or a belly to rub! It is a difficult time at Christmas when you either expected a little one in your arms or a big belly.

Wishing you all a happy and peaceful Christmas.

Hi Everyone

I lost my little boy at 35wks 5days. We have been TTC since Sept but no BFP yet. Maybe Jan will bring us a new start and a wish come true?!?! Just wanted to join in with all of you as we had such a late loss and I know you can all relate.

Zachary's Mum, I am so sorry for the loss of your precious little boy, :hug:my heart goes out to you, life can be so cruel. Glad that you have come into this thread, we will all encourage you and hope for a BFP soon! Praying :pray:that you get your miracle in 2009. Take care of yourself.

Hello ladies,

Zachary's mom: Welcome to our TTC thread. I'm so sorry to hear about Zachary -- you're right, we can definitely relate, but we also know that everyone's experience is very different. I was devastated by my late loss but cannot fully imagine what it must have been like for you, or for the ladies who have had multiple early losses. I'm sorry you have to be here, but I'm glad we can get to know you.

Laney: Happy 27th birthday! I hope you and DH have a good time celebrating, and that you get one or two little kicks or big flutters to bring some smiles and hope into your special day.

Helen: Have some chocolate or sugary treats over Christmas and then lie down on your left side and see if you get some flutters. It's still early and you might not feel any, but you can say Tildy said you had to eat chocolate. :D

Lan: Have a good time at the coast, but don't let DH off the hook! I expect activity at least every other day! *sings 'I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus'*

Sue: Hope you have a great Christmas with all the new experiences that Lily is bringing! I can see her clumsily trying to open her first pressies next year!

Katie: I wish you the merriest of Christmases for Anna's first, and I know that Lan is right -- Nathaniel will be in your heart as well.

Rozzie: Still feel like you're my partner in crime, so here's a Christmas :hug: for you!

Jo: We haven't heard from you for a while, but I hope you're just out celebrating the holidays already with friends and family. Take care of yourself, and give our love to Jack and Madison when you think of them. I wish with all my heart for 2009 to be a better year for you.

Diane, Paula, Dee -- to you and our other TTCers, I hope you can smile to yourselves during the holiday and imagine and hope that next year your families will be +1 for the holidays. One of my best friends told me after my loss that she knew I was going to make it, and that when I was 80 years old, the extra few months or years that I struggled to have a baby in my arms would seem to small. I know we're going to make it, girls.

We're headed up to Karlstad tomorrow to spend a week or so with DH's fabulous family. MIL will surely be all fussy over my belly, despite already having 8 grandkids between the ages of 3 and almost 20. The cats will make the 3 hour car ride hell (and imagine if it snows again, eek -- there are at least some advantages for you guys having Christmas in the summer :) ), the 8 nieces and nephews will make the week hectic and chaotic, MIL's well-meaning fussiness will make me roll my eyes -- and it will all be wonderful, because I just love, love, love my crazy Swedish family and can't wait to add Kebab to it in April. :)

Thank you all so much for helping me survive 2008. Your concern and support have meant a great deal to me through some very dark days.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY LANEY! I hope you have a wonderful day. I can only imagine how nervous you are. Hang in there and here's to baby making lots of little waves in there.

Theresa, I am so very sorry for the loss of your beautiful boy Zachary. How cruel to get that far and not take him home. I am sending you a very big hug :hug: and a truck load of support. Welcome to our thread. I am :pray: and hoping we all get our BFPs and the new year brings our much wanted earth babies.

Tildy, thanks for the words of encouragement, nice story. Enjoy your time away and wishing you and your family a wonderful Xmas and hope Kebab gets loads of attention.

Apologies in advance for the rant but I had such a flat weekend and was in tears for most of the time :crying: Dropped off loads of Xmas presents to the kids in our family and had a house full of guests last night including kids (one a newborn). I worked myself into such a state after they left I was throwing up like mad. I love them dearly but it just hurts so much and makes me miss my little boy desperately. I guess I am a little nervous about my pg test tomorrow too. I really feel like AF is coming though but obviously praying it doesn't.

The eeriest thing is my little boy was due on the anniversary of my mum's death and if I fall pg this cycle, the baby would be due on her birthday. Of all the dates in the year. Is this a sign girls? :pray:

Again, sorry for the rant. I know you are all feeling emotional and missing your angel babies. :grouphug:

Hi dd0207,

I made it ! Thanks for the advice on how to get onto this thread...

I'm sorry you're feeling so down ATM, I know it can be very hard to be around small children and little babies, because it reminds us what could have been. I miss my litle boy too, I have lots of little talks with him which makes me feel a little bit better .
Sending you lots of big hugs and good luck for your test tomorrow :crossfingers:

Girls, I'm so sorry for your losses, my heart goes out to you all :hug:.

I look forward to chatting to you all.

Love and hugs
Beata.

Hi Beata! Welcome, glad you found us. Looking forward to getting to know you. It is definitely a tough time of year for us but you will find amazing support here. So when is your operation scheduled for?

Hi dd0207,

Yey ! I think I was going around in circles before you pointed me in the right direction..thanks heaps !

My operation is on 16/01, I'm on holidays now until 12/01 than back to work for 4 days and then 6 weeks off recovering from the operation. They told me the recovery is similar to a c section ( I said that's nice, but I haven't had one before !).

I'm praying for a good result for you tomorrow.

Love and hugs :hug:

Beata xx

Hi everyone and very warm welcome to Beata & Theresa, I hope you find our little corner of the world a safe place to be! Beata what sort of operation do you have to have?
Jo if your out there, just sent you a message on facebook, I hope all is OK, how is your Grandma going?
Diana fingers crossed for tomorrow, maybe the throwing up wasn't all that stress related???? You did very well to have all those children around you.
Laney I hope you had a great Bday, speaking of bday's, DH and I are shockers just realised we both missed my nieces 2 days ago and his father's yesterday! Oops...

Well on my front, I have some flutters, YAY!! On the down side I have also felt some BH's, they seem to come earlier for me each time, has anyone had them this early? I guess what makes me nervous is that that's what my early labour tends to be like, I can't wait to have my scan in 2 wks time, it can't come quick enough, every ache, twinge etc makes me wonder if my cervix is shortening....
Good luck to all out there TTC, may Xmas bring us all hope and joy for the New Year.

Hi hgirs,

Thanks for your warm welcome. I thought I'd read your posts to get to know all the lovely girls in this thread, and you all sound so nice ! Can't wait to get to know you all better, you've got a terrific support network here.

I've got a myectomy (sp?) operation where they'll remove a very big fibroid from my uterus wall where it's sleeping nicely ATM ( my fibroid died around the same time I lost Joshua ). It needs removing as my OB won't take another risk at IVF with me while I've got that fibroid there. I have one beautiful frosty bub waiting....

Sending you big hugs and good luck with your next scan. I can imagine how nerve wrecking it all is for you ATM, I reckon I'll feel the same if I get pregnant again....just think good thoughts, your bub will feel them too.... Good luck and I'm sending you relaxing vibes !

Love and hugs
Beata.

Thanks Beata, I'm trying to be calm about things, but it's just the waiting, if somehow we could just skip this part that would be great! I am so sorry to hear about little Joshua passing, did the fibriod have anything to do with it? Good job your OB is taking it out, it may set you back a little with recovery, but when you DO get pregnant again, you will have given your bub a nice cosy uterus to snuggle in!