Trying to Conceive after Still Birth/ Late Loss/Recurrant Miscarriage ~ December 2008

*TMI*

Paula, watery is you kind of feel wet and maybe get a damp spot on your knickers. But eggwhite, it's goopy, stretchy stuff and usually appears in a blob! Well, that's what it's like for me :-)

Jo and Rozzie, I would be offended if you left this thread! It's nice to have pregnant people in here and even better with Katie and Anna Francis. You give me hope and make me feel almost normal because you're evidence that people can conceive after a loss.

I hope you feel better over the weekend Rozzie. Like you need to be feeling sick now! Did they tell you how big the bub is likely to be at birth? And you're right, you did post about your scan because you said that the bub is getting chubby. I remember that now.

Diana, that spotting is unusual. 5 days ago may have been ovulation. I've heard of implantation spotting but not with ovulation. And not for 5 days anyway. Never mind, you'll get your BFP later this month anyway :-)

Teagz, it's nice to get carried away DTD. You're supposed to :-)

How are you going Jo76? And Helen? And Katie? I miss you!

Jo and Rozzie, don't you dare leave this thread! You pregnant ladies are my inspiration.

Rozzie, I really hope you get well soon. Rest up as much as you can and take care.

Paula, Lan's explanation is how I interpret CM so see if that helps. I really like the look of the chart, very scientific indeed. May have to give that a crack.

Yep, I have heard women can spot at O time but it has been too long for that and way too early for implantation. I am so sick of going to the doc and am sure my FS will put me in a mental institution soon. I've had my lining checked countless times - all good, I had a pap smear a month ago - all good, EVERYTHING looks good so what the f**k is going on???? Sorry, I'm cranky.

I need some advise please - I have told you before that prior to losing my baby boy I had very regular cycles and deemed myself quite fertile right? Then afterwards, sorry I know you have heard this a million times before but please humour me, MY CYCLES ARE MENTAL and it's just not happening. I know TTC for 5 months is not that long, but after having fallen so quickly previously, and with all the issues I am having now, I'm really worried.

Anyway, the reason I am ranting is my FS said that I should try IVF for 2 reasons
1. I'm an emotional wreck and
2. Am getting on a bit (just turned 38) and now would give me the best shot.

I have an appt with the clinic on Tuesday to decide whether I want to go ahead so what do you think? Should I keep trying naturally for a while longer or go for IVF and give myself the best chance considering all of the above?

OR if Lan's prediction is right and I fall naturally this month, then we can ignore all of the above and I will never mention my mental cycles again... :D

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I sit there in the loo staring at it with such intensity trying to figure out if it is watery or eggwhite...

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I had a but of a giggle at that MrsRobbo! hehe. CM is kinda blobby & stretchy, for me anyway, like the more solid part of the eggwhite when you first crack an egg! Apparently the further you can stretch it the more fertile you are at the time... I've been learning so much about the reproductive system the last few weeks XD We'll all be wizzes on it once we have our bubbies!

dd0207 - I've got all my fingers & toes crossed that you fall this month! I think IVF would be just as much of a mind F*** (excuse my french) as the rest of this process, although I don't know much about it... so just ignore my ramblings, I have a tendency to ramble, as everyone is probably noticing XD

Hammi - it was nice getting carried away! We've done it three times this month and it's about time we got the groove back :P Afterwards I just had a bit of an "oh dear, the Dr's going to yell at me for not being responsible" moment.

And the preggos MUST stay!! You're our little glimmers of hope & inspiration :)

Hi you beautiful girls,

Gosh I missed you all, can't believe I was made to go on a holiday without the internet !!!! Holiday was good, I must say, but now I'm freaking out about my operation next week ( help !!!!!! ).

I've just been catching up on all your activity.....

Theresa, congrats hun on your engagement, I'm so excited for you !!! Yeepee :dance:! Now we're both engaged, although I have been engaged for almost 2 years ( not in a hurry either,the whole wedding planning is stressing me out a bit ). I hope your're feeling more positive now, and that you get your miracle soon. You so deserve all the happiness in the world.

Jo, I'm so happy you've made it to week 24 :clap:!!! That is such a milestone. I hope it's a smooth road from here on. I just love the picture of your beautiful girl, she's just precious.

Jo76, I'm sorry you've been having such a hard time..I hope it gets better soon.. can't believe that girlfriend of your brother's though, I would just slap her ! All of my DF sisters and SIL's smoked during their pregnancies, and when I pointed out to them the harm they were inflicting on their babies, they just laughed at me...helloooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 WTF :wall:.

Sue, fantastic news on your scan ! Yey !! It must have been very exciting buying all the baby stuff, I never got to do it with Joshua, but for my next baby I will start buying straight away, no matter what outcome it may be. I feel I missed out there....

Lan, how are you going hun ? When do you ovulate next ????? Waiting and praying for a big fat BFP soon :crossfingers:!!!!!

Paula, how's your charting going ? I had goosebumps reading about the song 'Angel' that came on. I think Charlie was definitely there with you. I believe in signs like that, I often ask Joshua to let me know he's around.

Tildy, good luck for your next scan hun, I hope all goes well :goodluck:. I think the swooshing in your belly is your little Kebab doing acrobatics....

Diana, I so hope you get your BFP soon hun. Fingers and toes crossed. I also didn't realise you've lost your beautiful mum, and I am so sorry. I think by having Sebastian burried with your mum was so touching, they'll always be together until you all meet again. It must be so comforting..I also had goosebumps about the butterflies...

Laney, I hope all is well with your bub, sending you huge hugs :hug:xxx

Cindee, congrats on your baby girl :dance:

Dee81, I'm so sorry that you've lost your little Lacey. Good luck with TTC and I hope you get an earth baby soon. Many tons of baby dust to you !!!

Helen, here's to the very long, nice cervix !!! Yeepee !!! :dance:

Rozzie, congrats on your scan hun, please don't go anywhere, we love you here !

Megan, good luck with TTC, hope you get your miracle soon.

Teagz_88, I'm so sorry for your loss. When I lost Joshua my placenta had to be removed manually, and then about a week later I had a huge bleed ( huge egg size clots, sorry TMI ). AF came 4 weeks later, and I've been having regular AF since.
I hope you get a BFP soon hun, all the best to you.

Phew, I hope I covered everybody ! If I've forgotten somebody or got my messages mixed up, I'm so sorry, my head is still spinning from being away from you all for so long !!!

Love and hugs to all.

Beata xxx

Beata - Welcome back! Glad you had a good holiday. We are looking at the 2 year mark (or maybe longer) but we will get there! When we do we are going to get married on a ship. It was going to be Fiji but we like the idea of getting married on a cruise......

dd0207 - I just want to give you the biggest :hug: I hope you are feeling better and not so frustrated (although I can understand why).

dd0207 & Hammi - I am thinking of waiting until next week to test as I have been late before and I don't want to see a BFN. I am scared of seeing that BFN and it makes me want to cry so I am holding onto hope and praying AF will not arrive and I can test next week. Will let yo know when I do.

Teagz - If it is meant to be it is meant to be. Don't be too hard on yourself.

Rozzie - Thanks for the advice. It makes me feel better knowing it could still happen. I hope you are feeling better soon. Take care of yourself. We love you so :hug: to you.

AFM - I guess I am just feeling like I am doing something wrong. It only took us 4 months to fall pg with Zachary and we weren't even trying that hard or "obsessing" the way I am now. It is heading onto the 6 month stage and I feel like I am a failure. I keep thinking that maybe I am charting incorrectly and getting my dates wrong - it is confusing me now. Should I keep doing it or just forget about it all and see if nature takes its own course?

I just want a baby so desperately and I am not the most patient person in the world when it comes to the things I really want!!!!

Love you all xxxxx

Diana, I'm so sorry that you're feeling so mental ATM. I can imagine this whole cycle thing must be driving you nuts. Just remember though, sometimes it can take a huge amount of time for your cycle to become regular again. After all, you were regular like clockwork B4 you lost your little boy. But the grief of losing your baby, and the stress your body has been thru, no wonder your cycles are all over the place. I really don't know how to advise you hun, but I believe being 38 you should look at other options if your cycles are not regulated soon.
I had to do IVF for 2 reasons,1) my DF sperm count is very low after an unsuccessful versectomy reversal in April 2008, and 2) my age.
Before the urologist did my DF's reversal, he actually advised us to do IVF without spending the $4500 on the operation, as he said IVF would be quicker and cheaper. But we so wanted to get pregnant naturally, we didn't care about the money. It turned out the operation was a flop, and we had to fo IVF anyway.....
I got pregnant straight away, but I believe it was because I wasn't that stressed about the whole thing especially when I realized the injections were a breeze. That's what I stressed about the most, but after my first one, I was so relieved that it wasn't so bad. I reaslised it was a small price to pay for a beautiful baby at the end of it all. Having said all that, I do reaslise and appreciate that for some women IVF is a very hard journey. I believe it's a lot to do with the fact that sometimes the choice is taken out of your hands, and you suddenly leave everything to the people in white coats, and you suddenly feel so out of control, it is very strssful. The other thing is, some women go thru so many cycles that their bodies go thru hell and hence the stress levels go up.
Try if you can to think positive thoughts ( I know, I know... ) and imagine that your cycles are regular, and see what happens. Sorry, I do know it's so much easier said than done.

Good luck hun xxxx I hope I helped a little....

Love
Beata xxx

Hi Theresa,

That's so romantic to get married on a cruize ! I wish I had all these nice ideas, but the truth is I am scared of all the pressure of the big day and wish I could just run to the registry office and get married with a witness and no more !! The only thing is, my mum would be so dissapointed as I am her only daughter....the pressure !

You know, I totally understand your frasturation of getting it all right. But just think, when you weren't putting pressure on falling pregnant, it happened without too much trouble. Now, when you're getting stressed about when you're ovulating etc, it's not happening.
My gynie once said to me, ' The trick is, some people make love once in a blue moon, and no wonder that they're not getting pregnant. If you have intercourse regularly, the chances of you falling pregnant is a lot higher, as you are bound to make love somewhere around the time you ovulate'. It just made a lot sense to me at the time.
I think he said to do the deed 2 to 3 times a week......Sorry, no rest for the wicked I'm afraid !

I know it will happen for you Theresa, just be patient and be kind to yourself. Don't put so much pressure on yourself, and I'm sure it will happen soon.

Good luck sweetie.

Love
Beata xxx

Morning!

Thanks for the hugs Teagz, Theresa and Beata. I sure needed them yesterday. I was as cranky and as frustrated as hell. Feeling much better after a good sleep.

Teagz, I agree. I think we can all be fertility specialists now! I always tell my FS I could go work for him as I know so much now... and I'd be near an u/s machine daily for when I fall pg again... he just looks at me sadly (or with pity) and laughs.

Theresa, I really hope AF stays away and you get those pretty 2 lines. Everything is crossed for you. Like Beata said, BD every second or third day and I think you should pop your chart up here (like Paula) and have the girls analyse it for you - we have some experts among us!

Beata, welcome back hun. We missed you. Hope you had a lovely time away. Where are you at with your cycle? Thanks, your message did help. Im not nervous or anxious at all about the actual process as I did the injections (with IUI) last month and they are not bad at all. I am obsessing that there is some underlying damage done after the 2 curettes that is stopping implantation. I really have to stop being so paranoid and trust my FS don't I?

DH said he will leave the decision up to me. He is happy to go with whatever I decide so will do some more thinking this weekend.

I have a party tonight and the dress up theme is "brown and gold" - the guy is a huge Hawthorn AFL supporter. What an outrage, does not compliment my complexion at all !!

Hi Diana,

Thanks hun, good to be back home...I'm just waiting for AF to arrive today or tomorrow ( I have the symptoms ). I can't do much at the moment because the fibroid has to come out, and then I was told to wait about 3 months for my uterus to heal before attempting another transfer. I really don't know how my cycles will be after the operation ( my cycles are always 29 days, even after Joshua was born I went back to normal after 5 weeks - the only thing different so far is that my BB are not sore for a week before AF like always....???? ), but I'm hoping there won't be a problem....fingers crossed. The doc told me it will be a similar thing to a c/s but I haven't had one before so I don't know what to expect, except bad pain I assume !

Look hun, I can imagine it must be so frasturating when your cycles are so irregular. I'm not sure about the lining after 2 currettes, I imagine it could be a little thinner ???? Like you said hun, put your trust in the FS hands, I did with Peter Lutjen ( he's my IVF sperialist ) and I believe he's helping me achieve my little miracle.
Keep me posted hun.

I have a girfriend at work who is my age and they can't work out why she isn't getting pregnant, she's tried different things to no avail. I think she's thinking now about IVF as she thinks she might be trying for another 12 months or more and still not be pregnant, and she feels the time is running out so to speak. She got pregnant last year in June just after she came back from her honeymoon, but lost her baby at 8 weeks. She said her cycles have not been normal since her miscarriage.
She told me she had problems with endo previously, but it's all been fixed up now so there is no reason ATM why she can't get preggo ( apart from irregular cycles ).

Chin up hon, you will get there !!!

Love
Beata xxx

Oh yes sorry, I knew you were getting your fibroid out, silly me. A few months is not so long to wait (I imagine it feels like a lifetime for you though). Not long now before you get it removed and I am sure the procedure will go perfectly and then you can start TTC again. Same for me, my BB are not sore before AF anymore either! The only time they got sore was when I was on meds. How weird.

My lining is always between 7-9mm around O time so he says it's fine. Oh I don't know... or maybe I do - I am such a drama queen.

Thanks for the pep talk, my FS thinks I shouldn't waste any time either as I might be trying for months then back to this point. From my last post to now, I have made a decision. I am going to try IVF. I want to give myself the best chance and with my erratic cycles ATM , I don't think it's going to happen that easily if I leave it up to nature.

I hope your friend at work gets her little miracle soon. It's nice to have someone close to talk to I imagine. I only talk to you girlies in here about all this stuff and I thank God for the day I found you all.

Love Diana xxx

Morning Lovey's! How frikken hot is it? :o
Diana, I don't think you're being a drama queen at all! I've been waiting only 4 and a bit weeks for AF to arive and I'm already antzy about it not becoming regular, I can't even begin to imagine how you're feeling. I really do hope that IVF works for you first shot :pray: You'll have to keep us update on everything :)

Beata, Thankyou for the wishes :hug: Where did you go for your holidays? I'm with ya on the registry office! I'm mum's only daughter as well and she'd be devistated if we did that as well. We had planned to get married in October this year but have decided to move it back as DF doesn't want me stressing out organising a wedding while we're TTC or while I'm preg (although I can't seem to get it through his head that it would be nice to have something happy & positive to look forward to that is actually guaranteed to happen iykwim, but he won't budge!). When I told mum the look on her face almost killed me :( And we're only moving it back!


Zachary's Mom, It will happen! I feel it in me waters! Don't be to hard on yourself either ;)

AFM, I'm getting some dull cramping so hopefully AF is only a week or so away! :pray:

Beata -- I hear what you are saying about being scared of the pressure of a wedding. I moved to Sweden to be with my DH in 2002, under an express promise that he intended to marry me -- not uprooting my life for someone if they don't intend to make it forever! He knew that I desperately wanted to be proposed to more than anything, but he's also a Swedish boy (bah!) and he also knew that I had a super complicated inner conflict about the wedding and even the proposal. I weighed 115 kg when I first came here, and though I desperately wanted that proposal, I couldn't imagine it being what I wanted to be if I felt fat and ugly and undesirable when I got it. I also couldn't imagine being able to enjoy my wedding given that I shy away from attention, could very well get a full-blown panic attack with all those people looking at me, and could imagine myself getting irritated and angry at all the people telling me I was pretty when I felt it was a lie.

So by the time I'd lost 40 kg and had been with DH for 5 years, I started getting antsy and angry with him for not proposing. ;) I was all like "I'm ready now, dammit!" but... well, he was still a Swedish boy! Stupid ultra-modern gender-equal un-chivalrous anti-marriage culture! ;) So my proposal ended up being him responding to me bawling my eyes out one night and asking him what the hell he was waiting for. I'm trying to train him, but at the time I had to settle for picking out my own ring, showing him where he could buy it, and just hoping he would take the initiative to actually purchase it in the year and a half between our engagement and our wedding. ;)

It sucks that you have to wait a few months after the fibroid surgery, I know that that will feel like a long time. :( But! You have an explanation for your loss, and that is hopefully a comforting fresh start for your next pregnancy.

Teagz -- no fun waiting for the first AF, is it? :( Mine was 5 weeks after the D&C, and I returned immediately to my normal 26-day cycle (at least for the one cycle before I got pregnant again). I can't remember exactly how long I bled, but I think it was somewhere between light to spotting for about 2 weeks. I had cramping and back pain for 3 weeks though, which freaked me out. I know you're nervous that things won't go back to their regular rhythm, but it's so normal for the first one to take a while, so there's definitely no cause for concern yet -- even if I understand your impatience. How frikkin' hot is it, btw? Here it's about +2 C, so all the weird ice-snow we got a few days ago is melting in just the right way to make the roads and sidewalks death-defyingly frictionless.

Diana -- congratulations on making your decision; it must not be easy. But even though I'm sure IVF can be a difficult road, we can look at it this way: doing IVF doesn't hurt your chances of conceiving naturally later, right? So you're just giving yourself an extra possible road to what you want.

Oh, and on the topic of "Stop worrying, or else we'll never get pregnant!" I took that up with my grief counselor during the summer while we were TTC. I told her that you read that in a lot of places -- that being stressed or worried hurts your chances of getting pregnant, which just made me more stressed and worried! So she rolled her eyes -- not at me, but at the people who say that -- and she told me this: first, there's no evidence that that's actually true. Secondly, even if it were true, she questioned whether or not it would be responsible to tell people that, because the people that are affected by the problem are going to be exactly the type of people who, like me, will only worry MORE once they get that information! And I can add to the anecdotal evidence that it's not true -- it took us 8 cycles to get pregnant with Beiron, but I got pregnant with Kebab on our 2nd cycle of trying. And guess which time I was more worried and stressed and obsessed?

Theresa -- I know you'll HATE it if I say "6 months is not a long time." Of course it is, to you, emotionally, but as far as time for TTC it's not cause for concern yet. I know it feels weird that it's taking longer this time. But if it were me, I would keep charting in order to feel like I have information, but keep DTD as if you weren't charting. Just have sex 3 times a week throughout your cycle. That's what I did anyway -- the charting helped with my geeky love of numbers and info, but I realized that knowing when I O'd wasn't going to get me pregnant, but rather, making sure there were swimmers in there waiting for it. :)

CD11 for Lan? That means it's time to get to it, soldier! Hmm, what a strange relationship we all have, when you think about it... imagine that I would know so much about the privates and sex lives of a bunch of women on another side of the planet. :rofl:

Hi all you lovely girls,

Can't believe the weekend is almost over, back to work on Monday...yuck ! where has the time gone ???

Diana love, you are so not a drama queen !! I'd be so frasturated too, if my cycles were all over the place. All you want is for the cycles to be regular again, it's not really too much to ask for, is it hun ? I know IVF can be a bit daunting, but like you've said, give yourself the best possible chance at conceiving that beautiful baby. If you continue to wait, it can take a while or not, who knows. But if you are going to try IVF, good luck hun, I hope it's a very, very short journey for you. In the mean time, go for gold when you know you're ovulating and have fun at it !! he he. Even though there is that slightest chance my DF and I could get pregnant naturally ( very remote chance, in fact, as his count is very low ), I'd still do IVF. I might be 45 by then if I leave it to nature !!

Teagz_88, we went to Lorne on the Great Ocean Road, 2 hours away from Melbourne. It was great there, we've gone 3 years in a row now. We actually planned to go to sunny QLD late January 09, but when we found out we were pregnant in June 08, I knew I'd be heavily pregnant and I couln'd see myself getting on a plane or suffer in a car ! Well, things didn't go to plan unfortunately, so off to Lorne it was again.
My mum was really on my case about getting married last year, but we decided to try for a baby instead, and she then didn't mind as she so wanted a grandchild ! Joshua is her first grandchild, he's just in heaven :(
I hope your cycles get back to noraml again real soon ! :crossfingers:

Tildy, so sorry your DH is such a Swidish boy ! I was also dropping suble hints for my DF as he just got his divorce finalized in late 2007 and I wanted to make sure he was in this relationship for the long haul. He did get my ring all by himself though, although he had an idea of what I liked. After we lost Joshua, I said to my DF, lets get married and then at least that is done, and then we can focus all our attention on getting our beautiful bub. So you never know, I might be a married woman soon !

Hi to all you other lovely ladies, I hope all is well with everyone :)

Love and big hugs

Beata xxxx

Hi Girls,

Firstly, I agree that all preggos should definetly stay, it wouldn't be the same with out you all, we need the encouragement! :p

Tildy, just catching up on your last few posts - hope you are doing ok hun, you obviously have a lot going on. Thinking of you & hope little kebab is kicking away nicely! This may sound funny but whenever I drive past a Kebab shop now, I think of you! :lol:

Diana, I can imagine how frustrated you must be with your cycle at the moment. This is my first month trying & feel like if I don't get a BFP this month I'll be so disappointed, which is ridiculous on my first month I know! I think your making a good move doing IVF, although I agree that 5-months isn't really long at all. A lot of my girlfriends in there early 30's have taken much longer than that. Fingers crossed for you that you hit the jackpot first go :pray:

Beata, when is your op? (sorry if you have already told us). You must be keen to get it over and done with and start TTC again.

Theresa, I feel for you as well, but I agree that 6-months is certainly not out of the ball park. I can see it now that if I haven't had a BFP in 6-months you'll all be saying the same thing back to me and I'll be like, yeah right 6-mths is ages - LOL. But in reality it is quite normal. I agree that you should keep taking notes of your cycle so you have info but keeping DTD throughout. Let us know if you have any questions re: tracking dates, you want to feel confident that you are doing it correctly. I am sure you'll get a BFP soon. :pray:

Hey Lan & Paula, hope your ttc marathon is going well - LOL. We are in the midst of it at the moment. This temping thing is really good!

Rozzie, bit concerned about you. Hope you are feeling much better now & keeping the fluids down. Make sure you are completely better before returning to work won't you.

Teagz, a wedding cruise sounds lovely. Something to look forward to. Hope you get your BFP soon as well :p

Well I hope this doesn't sounds like I'm turning into psycho woman, but I am now tracking ferns, temps, cycle dates and now even adding a 'H' for horny :redface: But feel like I've got every base covered. Got to laugh & yes I know I do sound a bit psycho!

I hope everyone's having a great weekend.

Tildy - Thanks for that - I guess I kinda blame myself for stressing and then not falling pg. It is good to know not to listen to people who haven't been in our shoes. You are an inspiration with such a huge weight loss. I still haven't lost all my pregnancy weight and I often look in the mirror and am not overly pleased at the body that looks back at me. I don't want to get married until I have lost at least 10kgs (and after we have our baby). I did have to giggle at the fact that we do seem to share rather personal info but we all find it so easy to do! It is great to feel so comfortable.

Berry1 - I know 6 months is technically not long but it feels like a lifetime to me. My OB said that up to 12 mnths is still considered normal for TTC but I don't want to wait anymore! I keep wondering if there might be something wrong as we DTD every day for 5 days over my O days and still nothing - oh well - keep on trying.

Teagz - Thanks :D

dd0207 - Good for you and I wish you all the luck in the world. What chart do you use? Or anyone else for that matter. Mine is just on excel? I hope you are having fun at your party!

Beata - I like the idea of a cruise wedding as they do most of the organizing and they offer a wedding co-ordinator too if you want one. We are thinking fairly small and low key anyway. My brother is getting married in May and they are having a huge affair - so the pressure is off me for a while anyway! My older sister will be before me - probably next year and my younger sister is already married so I am lucky that I am the last and there is no pressure. My mom is already looking at cruises though :doh: We are going to let everyone know a year in advance so they can save u to join us if they want to.

Well I am going to do a cupboard spring clean tomorrow and sort out the shoes that are lying in layers on my cupboard floor. I am sure I don't need that many and I am hoping I can take some to Vinnies etc for someone else to make use of.

I hope you all enjoy the rest of your weekend. xxxx

Hi Theresa,

I do understand that 6-months would feel like a lifetime when you desperately want a baby - I would be the same. You said you tried for 5-days over O, I assume you have a really good idea of when O is? As I usually have a range of when I think O may be (over 4-day), then I try from 4-day before the earliest date to a day or two after the latest O date, so it works out to be about 10-days. But in saying that I have only just starting temping etc, which I am sure gives you a much more accurate idea.

Good-luck for next month, you really deserve a BFP :pray:.

Tildy, WOW 40kgs. That's fantastic. I put on about 20 kilos this year. 5 during pregnancy and about 15 from emotionally eating after losing Sebastian. I started a strict diet this week (well not so strict considering that I've already faltered first weekend!). It's so much easier eating chocolate than broccoli. Where did you move from? BTW, please stay away from the stairs and the icy roads ok!!

Theresa, also on the topic of stress, my FS said it has no bearing on TTC unless you get to the point where your cycles become irregular, you lose/gain a lot of weight and it impacts ovulation. If you are regular, then don't listen to what people say and keep charting and BD often. Look at Tildy falling pg during the most stressfull time imaginable. I have never charted but I probably should have. May have eliminated a lot of frustration over the past 5 months. I have heard Fertility Friend is a good website to chart - it is what Paula is using I think. How long did it take to fall pg with Zachary? Are you also in an age group where clocks are ticking loudly?

Rozzie, how are you feeling? Much better I hope.

Jo & Jo, how you you both?

Megan, blowing lots of baby dust your way! Jan is such a busy month in here! You're not psycho, you're funny!

Thanks for your encouragement girls and convincing me I'm not being too dramatic.

Teagz, still feel like AF is on her way?

Lan & Paula, you have been very quiet. Busy? :lol:

Hello to everyone else and hope you are having a lovely weekend

dd0207 - I am 35 now so the clock is ticking. Once we decided to et pg with Zachary it took us 4 months. I guess that is why I am so frustrated now.

Thanks Berry1. I have a pretty good idea when I O but you never know - we are going to try the every 2nd day thing for Jan/Feb if AF arrives.

Will be back on later but thanks for your support again girls xxx

Hey Girls, just a quick update. No real news to report. DH and I are still BD every 2nd day (or thereabouts). Were supposed to last night but I got grumpy with him and decided to withold benefits!

My temp still does not indicate ovulation but I think I am close. I have started getting slight PMS symptoms which usually means time for progesterone cream. I also have 3 admissions exams and a rental inspection by our psycho landlord this week so I am under the pump a bit.

I got a nice surprise this week. My closest friend (who fortuitously was here on holidays from Victoria when we lost Charlie) announced that she is coming up for a weekend on the 23rd. The amazing part about this news is that I am due to pee on a stick on 24th. It seems so perfect to me that as she was the one who went through losing Charlie with me, that she is here to share the BFP excitement. I am certain it is a sign that this is the month for me. Maybe wishful thinking but I feel like the universe is working with me this month.

Lets hope so.

How are our other ttcers going. Who is first to test, I can't remember?? Lan is it you, no I think you are just behind me. We need to get a scedule running so I can remember!!

Hi lovelies. Sorry I have been missing in action. We have been away the past 3 weeks visiting family first in Brisbane then in regional Vic. So what is news? Any BFPs to report?

Paula, I think the testing list goes like this: Theresa (AF late), me (next week), you, Lan, & Megan O now. Have I missed anyone?

I think it's definitely a good sign that your friend will be around at testing time!

Hi Katie. Hope you enjoyed your time away. So how was Xmas with Anna?

Hi girls,

Well, AF arrived this morning with a vengence, I probably would have liked it to be next week when I have my op so it wouldn't matter if I had bad cramps, I'll be in pain anyway and I'm sure they'll give me strong drugs like morphine ( or stronger if possible ) he he, I hope I have this intrevenous (sp?) thingy where you press a button when the pain gets too strong and you pump yourself up with drugs again...I wonder if I can overdose myself...oh well, if I do I am in hospilal, right ? They can revive me..

Hey Megan, where have you been ? I haven't heard from you in a while. My op is on Friday 16/01, I was OK before I went on my holiday but now I'm freaking myself out. One of my close friends had a key hole surgery a few years ago to remove her right ovary and she said the pain was 15 out of 10. Great.
hey, you're not a psycho - I too did the ferny thingy and was recording my temp religiously for about 5 months or so, so I always knew when I ovulated....things we do, hey ? I bet your hubby is not complaining ..he he

Theresa, I'm sending you loads of baby dust hun, I know you'll get there soon...maybe it's this cycle ?! You're doing everything right. It didn't take you long to get pregnant with Zachary, so please be patient...remember to track your temps ( I also used Fertility Friend - they're good ) and I used to do the deed about four days before O and then a day before the O with fresh swimmers and then on the actual O and then the next day to make sure I didn't miscalculate O. That's it. Except that effort was fruitless as DF's count ( which I didn't know at the time ) was almost zero. So I could have been trying for 10 years, and nothing.... Good luck sweetie, I've got my fingers crossed for you :crossfingers:

Diana, Fertility Friend is very good, worth a try as you know when O is happening. My suggestion would be every 2 or 3 days doing the tango, because you've pretty much covered the bases. Then if you have to do IVF so be it, at least you're doing everything possible in the mean time. Hang in there darl, we're all behing you and sending you good strong baby vibes. Blowing the baby dust your way hun xxx

Paula, that sounds like a good sign, that your friend will be there when you test..It's amazing how the universe works, hey ?can't wait for you to tell us some good news soon :crossfingers:!

I also think we should have a report to see who is testing & when, I'm lost too !!!!

Sue, how are you feeling darl ? I hope all is well with you, please send us a message!

Hi Tildy, Helen, Lan, Laney, Rozzie, Jo & Jo76, dee81, Katie and all the others. I hope everyone is well and relaxed.

Talk soon.

Love
B xx

I'm here!

Tidy, I'm chuffed that you remember which CD I'm up to :-) So BD has begun and this month we'll try every 2nd day. Quick Katie, throw me some baby dust!

Paula, that's a dilemma, isn't it? When you're mad at DH during a fertile period. Good luck with your exams and house inspection. I work for an insurance broker and there are so many things that you could sue your landlord for... shall I make a list for you to give to your psycho landlord so that they remember that you have rights too :-) Yay, your friend will come on the 23rd, you'll get a BFP on the 24th and I'll get mine five days later. It's my DH's birthday on the 22nd. Surely this is the month!

Wow Diana, that's a big decision that you've made. IVF is pretty invasive, isn't it? I do know a girl at work who TTC-ed for three years and didn't conceive until she got on IVF. I hope you beat the system by getting a BFP this month.

Megan, hearing you talk about temping, ferning and all that makes me all antsy. I want to temp! But my naturopath banned me from temping since we started TTC-ing because I know how to recognise fertile CM now and she didn't want me obsessing over my temperature... doesn't really work, I just find something else to obsess over.

I'm Googling around for a sausage roll recipe for dinner :-)

How was your three weeks away, Katie? Tiring? How did Anna cope with all the interruptions to her routine?

hi girls
firstly diana i have done ivf 2nd round we got a bfp with chloe so if you have any questions i'm happy to try and answer them. I found that it wasn't as bad as most people had told me. good luck to all the girls that are waiting to test and those that are O. hope this month is the one for you.
afm- am waiting for af to finish and then off we go, going to try maybe baby this time but i dare say that we will be back to ivf in the next month or 2 we have four snow babies waiting to be used so that isn't so bad. I start back work tomorrow haven't worked since a month before i lost chloe so will be a shock to the old system have a new easier job that is better for me. babydust to you all

Beata, sorry AF has hit hard. Now you can't overdose on morphine hun, we need you in here! Don't freak out, you will be fine - and when you are in pain, just think that it will be worth it in the end when you get your earth baby.

Our posts may have crossed over, I put up a testing list in my post before yours and I think I covered all our Jan TTC-ers?

I will chart on FF for sure if I don't go through with IVF next cycle. I'm doubting myself again....

Lan, I don't doubt for a minute IVF will be a hard journey but I figured it can't be any harder than going through this emotional turmoil each month. I did the injections last month and they were a breeze actually so I think I will cope physically - emotionally I'm not so sure but I know I have all you lovely girls to support me :)

Dee, thanks for letting me bombard you with questions. I will take you up on that offer if I decide to go ahead... stay tuned! Loads of baby dust your way!! There are so many of us TTC, very exciting.

Sue, Laney, Helen, Jo and Jo, hope you are all ok. Very quiet lately...

Diana, never doubt yourself, hun. You are a beautiful, strong woman and you are capable of anything. Just remember that always xxx :hug:

Thank you for that beautiful message Beata, very touching. :hug:

Always here for you hun, even if it's just for a wee hug :hug: xxx

Morning Girlies! Thought I'd pop in before I went to work *sigh* Today should be very interesting!

Tildy - It's between 35-38 Degree's C here atm. We're meant to be getting a few 41ish days shortly which thankfully I'll be back at work then and in some nice air conditioning! :)

beata - Ooh, it sounds like a nice place to go on holidays though, even if it wasn't you're original plan :) Yeah, well after telling my mum that we're moving the wedding back, she is still telling people the same date ;) Silly Girl, she does amuse me sometimes ><;;

Berry - The lengths we go to!! :lol:

dd0207 - Mmmm, not really over the weekend. I've had some more really light pinkish bleeding though, which I can only really see when I hold the toilet paper in direct light and about 2 cm from my face (sorry for TMI XD) A big part of me is hoping that when we got carried away DTD last week I got a strong little swimmer, but then it worries me a bit as well incase I get complications for not waiting for my cycle to return to normal before falling pregnant again. Does anyone know if there are any?

MrsRobbo - I'll be praying for you!!! Comeoonnn BFP!! :pray:

Zachary's Mom - How did you go with your spring clean? I desperately need to do one as well, I had planned to on my time off but, well, it didn't happen XD

AFM, I spent the w/e helping DF and my dad chop down a tree out the front of our house. I'm incredible sunburnt and was so exhausted yesterday I had the best sleep since forever last night. Not before time!!


dee81 - I'll be thinking of you starting back at work today as well! I'm going back today after 5 weeks of leave and lucky me on the first day back I have to have a meeting with our HR department in regards to a troublesome co-worker. Ugh! They really just gotta give him the flick already :wall:

Hope everyone has a good monday! xx

Well this day isn't going to be very flash, I'm already shattered for not being able to see my little bump in my work skirt anymore

Hi Girls, I'm just dashing off for my first exam but was wondering if some of you chart fanatics could take a peek at my chart and let me know what day you think I ovulated. I thought it was the day of the temp spike but FF is saying a few days before that. Your input would be most invaluable.

Will check in tonight with some personals

Paula
xox

Paula, I reckon you O'd yesterday. I think FF puts the crosshairs where the temp starts going up but it may readjust after you add a few more temps. I hope you were action jackson yesterday!

Morning to all. I've been in the office for almost half and hour and motivation still hasn't caught up yet.

Morning all

Just wanted to give a quick :hug: to Dee and Teagz for their first day back at work today. I hope you get through it ok.

Teagz, apart from giving your body time to heal, OBs like you to wait for AF so they can calculate next pg dates correctly. Then obviously waiting for test results is very important. If you caught a swimmer, then I wish with all my heart you get your BFP and all goes beautifully next time.

CD 21 for me today. I stopped spotting yesterday morning only to have the biggest bleed after BD last night. Aaaaaggggrrr.

Teagz, the OBs we met with after losing Beiron all said that it was okay for us to start TTC again as soon as the infection risk from the D&C was over, and that all the recommendations out there to wait 1-3 cycles or whatever were myths doctors perpetuated in order to try to "help" with the emotional healing. Aside from, as Diane says, waiting for the first AF gives you a date to count the pregnancy from. But they were very clear on saying that my body wouldn't get pregnant again before it was ready and that info out there about how you have an increased m/c risk if you don't wait X months was just false.

Hey girls
All this TTC talk takes me back...I got some good news this morning from a good friend of mine that I met at Sids & Kids. She got a BFP this morning :D She lost her angel last April after her placenta stopped growing at about 32 weeks and had an early m/c late last year so hopefully it will be 3rd time lucky for her. She turns 35 in May - thought you might like some more inspiration to keep up the BDing!

Paula - I was actually checking out your chart yesterday wondering if you had o'd already as the temps were up that little bit but todays hike is a bigger jump so I think I will have say yesterday was the day but it will be interesting to see what ff thinks after you enter a few more days worth of temps. I know with the last chart I did it took about 4 days to get it right (and it did cause my pg dates all match perfectly to that chart).

Diana - good luck with the IVF decision. Must be a hard road to go down. That bleeding after BDing doesn't sound good - you were getting that early on after the birth and D&C's weren't you? Your poor cervix :comfort:

Teagz - I have heard of women getting pg on their 1st cycles and having no problems. I guess the biggest thing would be finding out what went wrong last time (if they can find anything) so you can hopefully do something to avoid it this time around. After I lost Luke I was told to wait 2-3 cycles but I think some of that advice from my ob was more due to emotional reasons rather than physical. I didn't have to wait for any testing or results either as we knew pretty much straight away what had gone wrong and we did not bother with a PM.

Beata - good luck with the surgery. I shared a room when I was first on bedrest in the hospital with a woman who had had a hysterectomy through the abdomen due to massive fibroids and she said the pain wasn't too bad. She was only in for about 4 days which seemed pretty good considering she had had such major surgery! Not sure if that will compare at all to you but thought I would share anyway :redface:

Nothing new to report from me which is a good thing! I had a bad night on Sat night with terrible bowel pain which kept me up for a couple of hours and almost had me ringing the hospital in case it wasn't bowel related but it finally resolved itself and I have been fine since. Was bound to happen after 3 weeks of antibiotics and bland hospital food and now suddenly I am having real food again and no AB's and I think my system has gone WTF?? I see my ob again on Friday and have another scan then too so fingers crossed my resting at home is having a positive effect on my naughty cervix. Oh and very excited to say I am 25 weeks today!!! YAY! :D

Sending big hugs and hello's to all of you that I missed x

Congratulations on 25 weeks Jo! I could never distinguish between bowel and pregnancy pains, it's frightening isn't it? I am glad to hear that you are feeling much better now. Bring on Friday!

Yep, I was getting the big bleeds before but haven't had that for a while until last night. Back to spotting today :( I have an appt with the clinic tomorrow so will see if I can get in to see him and find out what the hell is going on - am so over it.

Big hugs to all.

Thanks for all your info girls :)
I'm having an internal battle with myself at the moment. I want my body to be properly "healed" before we try again, but then I think -well it had been three weeks before we even started having sex again after the D&C so surely that's long enough, and then my want for a baby overrides the lot and I'm back to point dot :)

BB your killing me here! or its my computer...
hey girls!
have been trying to post and write etc etc and having some issues!!! I can't believe how many postthere are to catch up on and now my poor Ds is standing (impatiently) waiting for me to get off here now so it looks like i'll have to re-read and catch up on personals later! sorry!!!!!
have'nt been on because i ended up working the whole weekend and its safe to say that i am not functioning properly now because i am so tired! no news on TTC for us yet but i will be ringing my psychic today to make an appoint ment. i hope she has'nt gone away these hols as i really want to see her!i also after work put together our new study furniture which has left a giant blister on my palm so i don't think that helped the tiredness issue. poor Dh was up for it but i could'nt be bothered by the time i got to bed! lol!
be back later -he has now climbed onto my chair...hint hint...
xx jo

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Paula, I think the testing list goes like this: Theresa (AF late), me (next week), you, Lan, & Megan O now. Have I missed anyone?

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Just a little bit of a good omen I saw today (cos I'm a dork!). I was on my way home for lunch and was following a van, and without a word of a lie, the numberplates were "BFP 005" ;)

Teagz, It's out of your hands now so try not to worry to much until you know what the outcome is. If you caught your little egg then hopefully all will go fabulously, and if you don't, at least you will get a proper AF then there is nothing stopping you!

Oh Teagz, how funny, there are 2 cars in my complex - one is BFP and one is BFN - NO JOKE! I never turn my head where that car is parked but I walk past the BFP one and always give it a little good luck rub :)

Hi Jo, it's not you, BB has been down all arvo. Hope you get to see your psychic soon and join the many TTC-ers in here lately! Big hug to your blister so it heals soon and try to get a good nights sleep.

Off home now, will try check in a little later.

Lots of love
Diana

Thanks Diana! I gotta relax a bit, I know.
Spinny about the cars!!